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post #121 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:50pm
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Well, according to CNBC, this thing ships next month to corporations and developers

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39386888

So the idea that this is pure vaporware just took a hit.

The article also states that pricing will be in the lower range of current tablet prices.

awwwww SHNAP
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post #122 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:51pm
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The ad only had brief split second snippets of the actual device running the OS/software. Everything else was images projected/CGI'd onto backgrounds. Nice effect, but notoriously short on real. Compared to the Apple ads which show the device at work (and are admittedly time-compressed in spots) this isn't a definitive demonstration of what it CAN do, only what they want you to think it can do. It's marketing, and not bad stuff at that. The actual device remains to be seen in the wild until next year sometime (assuming at best EARLY in 2011 - with no parts issues or short-run problems). After all they need to stay in the market and be seen as relevant. It's their market segment under attack here.

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post #123 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:51pm
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ATT is making money hands over fist with the iPhone.

The "profit warning" (not sure what you are talking about, tbh, since these can be for many reasons, but I am assuming you are talking about when they advised shareholders in the first quarter after the $200 iPhone released that the next quarter profits would be depressed) was issued because the iPhone has a large upfront cost for ATT (they pay Apple the ~600 bucks the moment an iPhone is sold) which depressed the first couple of quarters' earnings for ATT, but the nearly 2400 they make off a customer comes over a period of 2 years. As a decently large iPhone subscriber base was built up, this effect completely disappeared.

Verizon Wireless is a lot more profitable than AT&T Wireless.

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This has nothing do to with verizon. I don't know why you love to stick verizon in every iPhone and blackberry discussion. Verizon is not the only carrier in the world to offer free blackberry phones. The fact is blackberry phones cost almost no initial payment to purchase.

A few iphone carriers around the world have free iphones on contract -- like Vodafone in Ireland.

http://www.vodafone.ie/iphone/paymonthly/
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post #124 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:52pm
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How is it professional when it's called PlayBook. that's so awful!

What I thought of when I saw playbook wasn't some book to play with, but rather a useful tool much like that of a playbook a football coach would use. Playbook can be equated to what the plan for the business day would be, or what the plan to achieve certain goals is. Know what I mean?
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post #125 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:55pm
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I disagree. The difference is that you wont see Apple TV in classrooms, and conference rooms where you might want to show a presentation. This is an extremely useful feature, that serves a different purpose from AirPlay.

That being said, its not like the iPad cannot do it already...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...eo_output.html

Why do you think that we won't see AppleTV in the classroom, conference room, boardroom, operating room?

$99 is a lot cheaper than many projector setups... And most of these rooms already have TVs.

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post #126 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:55pm
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What I thought of when I saw playbook wasn't some book to play with, but rather a useful tool much like that of a playbook a football coach would use. Playbook can be equated to what the plan for the business day would be, or what the plan to achieve certain goals is. Know what I mean?

ya, what he said
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post #127 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:57pm
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awwwww SHNAP


true. But then again, never let a few facts get in the way of an ideologically driven rant.
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post #128 of 412
9/27/10 at 4:59pm
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Why do you think that we won't see AppleTV in the classroom?

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Why would you expect to see it in the classroom? As I understand it, the Apple TV will stream rented content (at least initially). if you had to pay for viewing in each classroom, that could cost a lot more than buying a dvd to show in different classrooms.
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post #129 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:00pm
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The comparison to Apple's style makes no sense. When was the first time Apple showed us anything about a product without demo'ing and actual working unit on stage first?

And are you seriously asking me what is fake about a demo where we don't see the device, but all we see are projections of a touchscreen device on bus stops, guitar amps, and photo frames?

For all you know, they could have captured the output of an iPad app they created, and placed it on all those surfaces...

And a public demo of the type Apple does tells you a LOT. But more importantly, Apple's track record of demoing completely new devices, and releasing them withing at worst a couple of weeks of the promised date says a lot more. Blackberry has no such record (or at least as deep a record as Apple) of doing anything outside of a phone.

As a way to demonstrate how worthless this video is,consider an impartial observer viewing this video, and the video of MSFT courier that was floating around Youtube. Most assuredly they would expect the Courier to be released first. Alternatively, consider the demos the "Duke Nukem Forever" team kept releasing (most of which were more polished than this) and ask where that game has been for the last decade...

Duke Nukem Forever is scheduled for shipping in 2011! Finally! They showed it off at PAX a couple weeks ago.

Oh wait,

nothing changed did it...
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post #130 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:00pm
if it's a good product, it'll sell well. BB has a good sized market share...

If it sucks, well it'll tank. Personally, I prefer the 7" size, having used an ipad, and used a samsung tab. That's my own preference. But at this point, like the iOS platform best. We'll see where android/BB goes from here.

At best, competition, drives others to make better things, and more features.
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post #131 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:01pm
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Apple's 'paranoia' has as much to do with showmanship and presentation as anything else. I have no idea why people get upset about the secrecy. Do you (you, as in all the people that routinely complain about this), get all petulant when your parents refuse to tell you what they bought for your birthday present? The secrecy is part of the event. The showmanship is SJ's thing. He loves the 'one more thing' as much as the next guy and he is the one who gets to deliver the line. But the true reason behind Apple's secrecy is that it has always been, and continues to be the primary reason the company receives millions and millions worth of free publicity every year. (see previous article)

Do I seem upset? Thats odd. My comment was based on something another member posted about RIM giving out their specs. Apple didn't always get alot of press some of you have very short memories the times haven't always been good for Apple or for those of us that hold stock.

Steve Jobs have always been paranoid.
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post #132 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:04pm
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Verizon Wireless is a lot more profitable than AT&T Wireless.



A few iphone carriers around the world have free iphones on contract -- like Vodafone in Ireland.

http://www.vodafone.ie/iphone/paymonthly/

Few not Every.
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post #133 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:06pm
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How is it professional when it's called PlayBook. that's so awful!

It is a bad name. The BlackPad would have been much better. Using the word 'play' doesn't work when it comes to adults. Playschool, playground etc work in a kid's context but for a professional device... I agree - awful.
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post #134 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:09pm
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It is a bad name. The BlackPad would have been much better. Using the word 'play' doesn't work when it comes to adults. Playschool, playground etc work in a kid's context but for a professional device... I agree - awful.

No one cares about a name. That was talked about here for weeks when it came to the iPad and we can see that name really hurt sales. The real world could care less what a product is called that stupid nonsense only comes up on forums.
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post #135 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

Well, according to CNBC, this thing ships next month to corporations and developers

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39386888

So the idea that this is pure vaporware just took a hit.

The article also states that pricing will be in the lower range of current tablet prices.

Ahh.... Yes CNBC! The article did shed some light on why Dual Cores... My guess it's one core for each of the co-CEOs.

Good thing they aren't planning a quad-core..... Or.....

What's that all about?

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post #136 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:13pm
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Why would you expect to see it in the classroom? As I understand it, the Apple TV will stream rented content (at least initially). if you had to pay for viewing in each classroom, that could cost a lot more than buying a dvd to show in different classrooms.

...and it will stream stuff thrown at it from an iPad via AirPlay

...and it will stream stuff from iTunes on your Mac or PC. Doesn't have to be commercial iTunes store material, any video you have in iTunes will be just fine.
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post #137 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by markm49uk View Post

all I can think is 'Microsoft Courier' whenever I see these marketing based promotional videos - too early to say whether this is pure hot air or actually has some substance.

So a full on media event, with the big boss, multiple partners and so on is the same as a series of videos that Microsoft never really admitted existed?

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post #138 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Oh come on. Enough with the double standards. Apple does this kind of thing all the time.

Care to elaborate?
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post #139 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:20pm
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Do I seem upset? Thats odd. My comment was based on something another member posted about RIM giving out their specs. Apple didn't always get alot of press some of you have very short memories the times haven't always been good for Apple or for those of us that hold stock.

Steve Jobs have always been paranoid.

Steve Jobs is smart enough to know what might happen if a product is announced too soon, especially if it replaces an existing product.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
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post #140 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:20pm
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Do I seem upset? Thats odd. My comment was based on something another member posted about RIM giving out their specs. Apple didn't always get alot of press some of you have very short memories the times haven't always been good for Apple or for those of us that hold stock.

Steve Jobs have always been paranoid.

Don't get upset, now. (That's why I qualified my comment s - so you wouldn't ... never mind..) Apple has not alway been getting as good or as much press but the SJ's presentations are legendary and have Apple's product unveilings have always received good more press than they probably ever warranted. Keeping the faithful on their toes during the less good years was also important and in the end, extremely valuable.
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post #141 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:25pm
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No one cares about a name. That was talked about here for weeks when it came to the iPad and we can see that name really hurt sales. The real world could care less what a product is called that stupid nonsense only comes up on forums.

I agree but it is bad name nonetheless. The ridiculous discussion that went on here and in other forums had to do with the fact that a number individuals couldn't get past the idea of the sanitary towel connection. That and that the iPod could be confused with the iPad in some countries. The iPad as it turns out is a good name. Once a name has been around for a while we tend to stop being critical. But while the fun lasts - PlayBook is an awful name.
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post #142 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:25pm
Looks like they are going to need to work on that ecosystem. PlayBook runs QNX with webkit and BB runs ...whatever and BB browser. A completely new platform seams like it would cause problems with compatibility unless they transition their phone OS too. Wow are they screwed.

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post #143 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:26pm
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Why would you expect to see it in the classroom? As I understand it, the Apple TV will stream rented content (at least initially). if you had to pay for viewing in each classroom, that could cost a lot more than buying a dvd to show in different classrooms.

It streams any streamable content from your iTunes pc or iOS 4.2 device (iPad, iPhone, iPad touch) to your HDTV via AirPlay to the new AppleTV. Ya' gotcher home movies, slide shows, ripped DVDs, Podcast Videos, and, likely KeyNote presos...

Nothing says that AirPlay content has to be rented or purchased from the iTunes store.

There are streaming APIs in thr iOS SDK, so any developer can write a streaming app...

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post #144 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:26pm
So we all know about the various Apple device "killers" out there. Apple has opened up what has proved (for them) to be a very successful new market segment in handheld devices. The width and depth of this market has not yet been determined, but like their computers, iPod and the iPhone, they have already carved out for themselves the juiciest and most profitable part of the market. In the case of the iPod - that didn't leave much.

To give you an analogy - the fillet of beef is by no means the largest part of the steer, but it IS the most tender and desirable part - and costs the most. Hamburger on the other hand is cheap and plentiful. What remains of the newly re-imagined tablet market is the hamburger part. And that is where Dell, Android, RIM, Samsung and most of the other players will be cutting their part of the market from. Remember, you need to look at their margins on these devices. To support any sort of profitability, they need to keep component costs as low as possible. Cheap parts makes for a cheap device, but also reduces the lifespan of that device, and leaves behind dissatisfied customers.

RIM has already indicated they will price low to drive volume, just as Google and the carriers did with Android. RIM is known also for their BOGOs to drive device sales. There is lots of steer left - ribs, steaks - what have you. And for us carni/omnivores its all tasty. But if I can get filet on a regular basis - yeah that's where I will spend my money.

It's OK. Even though the fandroids love to trumpet marketshare, marketshare isn't the be-all and end-all of success. Owning most of the profits for your segment, being one of the most highly accepted companies by satisfied consumers, and having the ability to drive repeated innovation, not to mention one of the highest capitalizations among your peer companies (are there any, really?) THAT is success.

So let the paranoid former pager/email device companies, the low-end commodity device companies, the entrenched handset and wannabe mobile ad empires all roll out their devices, claim their marketshares and divide up what remains. It's all good.
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post #145 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Why do you think that we won't see AppleTV in the classroom, conference room, boardroom, operating room?

$99 is a lot cheaper than many projector setups... And most of these rooms already have TVs.

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You must have an odd view of the world.

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post #146 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:29pm
As our Telecom Manager involved in managing our devices for many years my first thought is, "If RIM cannot even get their smartphones right, how can they be expected to put out a decent tablet"? It seems like their last interesting evolution was the Blackberry Pearl several years ago. Why can't they realize that their touch devices should be flat and easy to type on?
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post #147 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

not to mention iOS 4.3 with a few enhancements.

And shortly thereafter iOS 5 which hopefully revamps notifications and offers a more modern take on multi-tasking application switching.
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post #148 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by LewysBlackmore View Post

So we all know about the various Apple device "killers" out there. Apple has opened up what has proved (for them) to be a very successful new market segment in handheld devices. The width and depth of this market has not yet been determined, but like their computers, iPod and the iPhone, they have already carved out for themselves the juiciest and most profitable part of the market. In the case of the iPod - that didn't leave much.

To give you an analogy - the fillet of beef is by no means the largest part of the steer, but it IS the most tender and desirable part - and costs the most. Hamburger on the other hand is cheap and plentiful. What remains of the newly re-imagined tablet market is the hamburger part. And that is where Dell, Android, RIM, Samsung and most of the other players will be cutting their part of the market from. Remember, you need to look at their margins on these devices. To support any sort of profitability, they need to keep component costs as low as possible. Cheap parts makes for a cheap device, but also reduces the lifespan of that device, and leaves behind dissatisfied customers.

RIM has already indicated they will price low to drive volume, just as Google and the carriers did with Android. RIM is known also for their BOGOs to drive device sales. There is lots of steer left - ribs, steaks - what have you. And for us carni/omnivores its all tasty. But if I can get filet on a regular basis - yeah that's where I will spend my money.

It's OK. Even though the fandroids love to trumpet marketshare, marketshare isn't the be-all and end-all of success. Owning most of the profits for your segment, being one of the most highly accepted companies by satisfied consumers, and having the ability to drive repeated innovation, not to mention one of the highest capitalizations among your peer companies (are there any, really?) THAT is success.

So let the paranoid former pager/email device companies, the low-end commodity device companies, the entrenched handset and wannabe mobile ad empires all roll out their devices, claim their marketshares and divide up what remains. It's all good.

Wow... Just wow!

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post #149 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:41pm
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Don't get upset, now. (That's why I qualified my comment s - so you wouldn't ... never mind..) Apple has not alway been getting as good or as much press but the SJ's presentations are legendary and have Apple's product unveilings have always received good more press than they probably ever warranted. Keeping the faithful on their toes during the less good years was also important and in the end, extremely valuable.

When Steve Jobs gives a keynote it doesn't make any major news station so I wouldn't call them legendary. The only one that I would say made primetime news was the intro of the iPad.

In any case I don't want too get too far off topic this isn't the press thread.
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post #150 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

You must have an odd view of the world.

Maybe it's an odd view of the world to you...

But I was able to retire at age 50 -- partially due to selling thousands of computers into classrooms, conference rooms, boardrooms... No operating rooms though -- the technology wasn't there yet!

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post #151 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:44pm
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I agree but it is bad name nonetheless. The ridiculous discussion that went on here and in other forums had to do with the fact that a number individuals couldn't get past the idea of the sanitary towel connection. That and that the iPod could be confused with the iPad in some countries. The iPad as it turns out is a good name. Once a name has been around for a while we tend to stop being critical. But while the fun lasts - PlayBook is an awful name.

Maybe because I use other products besides Apple I am use to names thats suck...lol. I mean when you have Windows 95 then Windows 98 then Windows Xp how less creative can you get when it comes to naming.

I don't know if RIM is going to do well with this anyways I think RIM is on the downslide big time.

If no Tablet makes it to market in 2010 which is appears it won't then I don't see anyone catching the iPad. I just dont see it happening if the iPad hits a second generation without any real competition.
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9/27/10 at 5:45pm
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Verizon Wireless is a lot more profitable than AT&T Wireless.



A few iphone carriers around the world have free iphones on contract -- like Vodafone in Ireland.

http://www.vodafone.ie/iphone/paymonthly/

You think so, eh?

http://www.google.com/finance?q=T

Net Profit Margins:

AT&T: 13.32
VZ: 5.78

P/E Ratio:

AT&T: 13.46
VZ: 127.26

Market Cap:

AT&T: 13.46
VZ: 127.26

Income Revenues:

AT&T: $170.59 Billion
VZ: $92.89

Stock Price:

AT&T: 28.87
VZ: 32.86


I can go on. Sorry, but Verizon Communications is not more profitable than AT&T
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post #153 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Ahh.... Yes CNBC! The article did shed some light on why Dual Cores... My guess it's one core for each of the co-CEOs.

Good thing they aren't planning a quad-core..... Or.....

What's that all about?

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I am sorry, but I do not see how your post is in any way related to mine, unless you are attempting to dismiss CNBC as a news source.
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post #154 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

The operative words are going to be!

I suspect that, if he wanted to, Steve could demo a device tomorrow with equal or better specs, for say, $399.

Give it a Feb 2011 availability, with the known ecosystem of iOS, SDK (available today), app store...

What would that do to all these iPad wannabes?

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The comparison to Apple's style makes no sense. When was the first time Apple showed us anything about a product without demo'ing and actual working unit on stage first?

And are you seriously asking me what is fake about a demo where we don't see the device, but all we see are projections of a touchscreen device on bus stops, guitar amps, and photo frames?

For all you know, they could have captured the output of an iPad app they created, and placed it on all those surfaces...

And a public demo of the type Apple does tells you a LOT. But more importantly, Apple's track record of demoing completely new devices, and releasing them withing at worst a couple of weeks of the promised date says a lot more. Blackberry has no such record (or at least as deep a record as Apple) of doing anything outside of a phone.

As a way to demonstrate how worthless this video is,consider an impartial observer viewing this video, and the video of MSFT courier that was floating around Youtube. Most assuredly they would expect the Courier to be released first. Alternatively, consider the demos the "Duke Nukem Forever" team kept releasing (most of which were more polished than this) and ask where that game has been for the last decade...

Some people assumed that the Courier was a real product because Microsoft leaked the concept. That was always a silly thing to assume. OTOH, RIM has used this video as their product announcement. If was totally faked, as you suggest it could be "for all we know," you might stop for a moment and consider the consequences for RIM of releasing a product that's nothing like the promotional video, or worse yet, like the Courier, never sees the light of day because it never even existed.

So I guess you're suggesting that RIM is a really, really stupid company. Evidence for this to be provided, of course.
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post #155 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:51pm
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I am sorry, but I do not see how your post is in any way related to mine, unless you are attempting to dismiss CNBC as a news source.

No... Just as a reliable, objective news source.

Then taking the occasion to make a joke about dual CEOs.

Why don't they just make every employee a co-CEO?

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9/27/10 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Well right, it is advertising.



Some people assumed that the Courier was a real product because Microsoft leaked the concept. That was always a silly thing to assume. OTOH, RIM has used this video as their product announcement. If was totally faked, as you suggest it could be "for all we know," you might stop for a moment and consider the consequences for RIM of releasing a product that's nothing like the promotional video, or worse yet, like the Courier, never sees the light of day because it never even existed.

So I guess you're suggesting that RIM is a really, really stupid company. Evidence for this to be provided, of course.


I see the RIM Tab announcement as a "concept" announcement! There were a few solid "specs" but they left themselves a lot of wiggle room on almost everything -- price,, apps, SDK, availabiłity, battery, OS specifics, UI... Unimportant details like that.

Hey, if RIM can get away with it, and cause people to defer their tablet decision, then more power to them!

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post #157 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:58pm
You would think if this was a consumer device that they would have tried to get it out for the holiday shopping season so I am thinking it is more business device, especially since it is wifi only and needs to be tied to a blackberry if there is no wifi around.

What they showed of the os looked nice but it is hard to get any feel for what it can really do. I will have to see about that.

No idea on the cost of this thing but if it is more of a business device, it may not be as price sensitive as a consumer device.

I like the size of my iPad and not sure about the smaller size of this device, especially since there does not seem to be an actual keyboard. I am also not sure how blackberry fans will adjust to a virtual keyboard, especially on a smaller sized device.

I think one of the things this tablet has going for it, is that it is not an iPad. There are those out there that hate Apple enough to buy anything and talk up it's praises as long as Apple doesn't make it. With all the different needs and wants and biases of people and companies in the market, there will be room for a couple of winners in this category of device.

This is just what I am thinking about this thing right now, with the small amount of info I have on it right now. It will be interesting to see how much it will cost battery life how good the screen looks and howvresponsive it is to touch before I could pass final judgement on it.
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post #158 of 412
9/27/10 at 5:58pm
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Care to elaborate?

Selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Apple's ads don't dwell on specifications, or even the functions of their products. If the ads work at all, it's because they make you excited about the concept they are selling. I've got nothing against it; this is just how advertising works. This is what RIM is doing with this ad. Very light on the specifics and long on eye-catching generalities. A lot like an Apple ad, is what I thought when I saw it. That BTW is not a criticism. Apple is the master of this approach.
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post #159 of 412
9/27/10 at 6:02pm
How are the specs impressive?

They are the standard specs from, what, early this year maybe.

I don't think the interface looks all that handy. It has the same penchant as iOS for a task switcher on top of a task switcher, except the playbook wastes masses of space doing it. It is also really mechanical in the way it moves between items, no acceleration or other things which will make it slow to use.

It's also a full 10mm thick, it's a freakin slab. It has to be 7" or it would snap you at the wrist.

Okay maybe it wouldn't quite snap you at the wrist, just severely fracture.
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post #160 of 412
9/27/10 at 6:04pm
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I see the RIM Tab announcement as a "concept" announcement! There were a few solid "specs" but they left themselves a lot of wiggle room on almost everything -- price,, apps, SDK, availabiłity, battery, OS specifics, UI... Unimportant details like that.

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I don't think it's just a concept. They did release specifications too, which IIRC, Apple did not when the iPad was introduced in January, long before anyone could actually get their mitts on one.

Again, unless someone is prepared to argue that RIM is a really stupid company (with evidence for same) then I think it's ridiculous to suggest that this is their Courier.
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