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The SJ demos aren't without their ooops moments -- app crashes, reboots... Asking everyone to turn off their cells/WiFi so he could get a connection to continue the demo.

But, hey, that's the stuff we mortals understand.

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True, and that's all the more reason I say I can taste the steak lol not just hear the sizzle as Mr Dillmoss characterized SJs demos. Give me a demo of a real product with warts and all over a flashy concept video and I suspect share holders will feel the same way about RIM this time. It's not that far back to the MS tablet video.
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And a great OS that can use power very efficiently.

Im wondering if they needed that for some of the things they wanted to do with that OS because its just too inefficient, and if well see some HW changes before this thing is released.

I hope RiM growing pains are left behind them on the Storm smartphones, but this promo ad doesnt give me much hope.

AIR, one of the major reasons for Apple's custom silicon A4 was power management -- then take advantage of this in custom OS software/firmware...

So far, nobody has been able to match Apple's power management.

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What I thought of when I saw playbook wasn't some book to play with, but rather a useful tool much like that of a playbook a football coach would use. Playbook can be equated to what the plan for the business day would be, or what the plan to achieve certain goals is. Know what I mean?

Do we really want to go down this road after the whole Ipad name controversy?
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This is vapourware at this point, just like Courier was. They can list all the specs you want but they can change, and they probably list that in small text on their site somewhere. They showed no demo of the device in actual use, just professional animations to give the effect of it running smoothly but nothing in a real world setting on in the hands of actual users.. Did you watch Jobs using the iPad and think that is didnt function exactly as fast as it was shown? I didnt.

I believe this is RIM with all guns blazing, fighting for future sales from their existing client base. They don't have anything to show, they're under pressure and they MUST deliver the goods (at least according to the media). I think we are all slightly suspicious here because they are promising a lot for a tablet in terms of specs and capability. I suspect the thing will be pretty heavy and with many 'problems' based not upon technical know-how but upon the belief that they cannot possibly manage to bring such a powerful, capable product to market with an all new OS in such a short time. But regardless of what the product may be and how well it will perform - RIM is shouting loud and waving promises in order to make their existing clients 'jump ship'. There may be a lot of companies thinking they have so much invested in RIM, and that this looks like a very capable product so they'll wait. They are waving impressive specs and they are aiming the device squarely at business users. I think it is what they MUST do at this point but who know what will happen if they fail.
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Do we really want to go down this road after the whole Ipad name controversy?


But I am not sure there was a controversy. A few people with certain fixations and a complaint that grew old very very quickly.
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Well the hardware specs on paper look good but I have no clue how the OS and UI are going to look and function which of course is going to be major.

By the way off topic only because we talked about this before and I know you also keep up with other products but I just got an Evo update that removed the 30fps cap.

Flash 10.1 is working really great now except of course its a battery killer. I really like the phone and Android 2.2 but the battery is going to drive me insane.

How does Flash handle mouseovers -- a modal hover mode?

It's ironic, but Apple with its integrated CPU and OS, could, likely, do an acceptable job of solving the Flash battery drain...

'Course that means that Adobe and Apple would need to develop a "joint" implementation.

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It seems to me as best I can recall that Apple and usually SJ in person, always demos an actual product regardless of the level of specifications you may feel are lacking. I don't remember a new hardware product being merely shows as a video concept since Steve returned.

The closest I can recall is the AppleTV, then called iTV. They actually intoruced a new product by a code name they knew wouldnt be used for the shipping product!!!

Jobs showed slode of the HW with all the various ports, and one in hand and a working one to use with the IR remote to show you how it will function. The sound it makes when you press the remote to the time it takes for the menu to change actually seems a little slower than the working product that shipped. But it was about 6 months so Im sure they refined some things before then.

This was still a working demo of a working product, still 6 months away from shipping (and is was still delayed by a month). If that is Apple, then I dont have high hopes for any of these vapourware promo videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_oz3DdLkG4 To me, this atypical demo screams that Apple was focusing on convincing the content owners of giving Apple rights before the AppleTV launched, not focusing on the consumer. Not that they re-introduced it before introducing the iPhone.


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The SJ demos aren't without their ooops moments -- app crashes, reboots... Asking everyone to turn off their cells/WiFi so he could get a connection to continue the demo.

Rehearsed or not, its a real test. Though I have to say that Jobs fumbling with the iPad seemed completely unrehearsed, like he was given a tour for the first time 10 minutes before and then sent out on stage to show it off.


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There is a certain irony that phone makers were quick to point out Apple was entering their realm and that Apple knew nothing about phones. I am not saying RIM knows nothing about computers but then again they don't have Apple's experience and know how either. The mobile devices running iOS are far more than phones and I wonder if RIM maybe in for a rough ride taking on iOS and Android based on their success with BBs.

Everyone was in for a rough ride and still is. No one else has or had the expertise of HW, SW, UI and ecosystem for devices ranging from the iPod Shuffle to the Mac Pro. We talked about how great we thought Apple could make a phone if they wanted to, and how efficient and module Mac OS X was that they would eventually be able to run that is handheld devices. Theyve done that and they are expanding it. I dont see anyone besting Apple in the profits game (the one that matters to companies) for the foreseeable future, but I hope some, RiM, can carve out a healthy niche for themselves.
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It better have a big ass battery.

Yeah - that's why I sense a lot of scepticism here. The other thing is the eco system. Even if it can grow and become relevant and significant RIM face a big task laying the foundations for this to blossom.
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This won't be taking sales from the iPad 2 (which will be out around the same time), but provided the product is as good as it appears, I suspect many BB owners will go for it. The tablet market looks ready to expand like the smartphone market has, and we'll all benefit.

If IT already has a BB rollout and are tied to BB enterprise services, this tablet would be an easy extension as opposed to a new platform and and new underdevloped enterprise solutions. You cant screw with BB in the enterprise they have this covered. Plus data conservation and security are a big deal Apple isnt there yet.
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But I am not sure there was a controversy. A few people with certain fixations and a complaint that grew old very very quickly.

The Apple haters tried really hard to make it a controversy but I think they started to look like more and more morons as they tried to keep that one going. At least any comments on this are not trying to be infantile so far so that's a good thing. I find it interesting RIM picked this name. They are trying to break away from being seen as only a company making a product for men in striped suits. It seems in keeping with the ads they ran recently with dorky people and some really weird people using their little phone with a pull out keyboard and a touch screen (I was so busy laughing at the ads I forget the name of the phone).
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I find it interesting RIM picked this name.

Playbook*
* As in, everything we did was taken from Apple’s playbook.
(Highlight text or put on your They Live sunglasses to see why this is an aptly named device)
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The closest I can recall is the AppleTV, then called iTV. They actually intoruced a new product by a code name they knew wouldn’t be used for the shipping product!!!

Jobs showed slode of the HW with all the various ports, and one in hand and a working one to use with the IR remote to show you how it will function. The sound it makes when you press the remote to the time it takes for the menu to change actually seems a little slower than the working product that shipped. But it was about 6 months so I’m sure they refined some things before then.

This was still a working demo of a working product, still 6 months away from shipping (and is was still delayed by a month). If that is Apple, then I don’t have high hopes for any of these vapourware promo videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_oz3DdLkG4 To me, this atypical demo screams that Apple was focusing on convincing the content owners of giving Apple rights before the AppleTV launched, not focusing on the consumer. Not that they re-introduced it before introducing the iPhone.



Rehearsed or not, it’s a real test. Though I have to say that Jobs fumbling with the iPad seemed completely unrehearsed, like he was given a tour for the first time 10 minutes before and then sent out on stage to show it off.



Everyone was in for a rough ride and still is. No one else has or had the expertise of HW, SW, UI and ecosystem for devices ranging from the iPod Shuffle to the Mac Pro. We talked about how great we thought Apple could make a phone if they wanted to, and how efficient and module Mac OS X was that they would eventually be able to run that is handheld devices. They’ve done that and they are expanding it. I don’t see anyone besting Apple in the profits game (the one that matters to companies) for the foreseeable future, but I hope some, RiM, can carve out a healthy niche for themselves.

Yes, I forgot the iTV but in a way (to me at least) that falls into the same category as an Airport or other peripherals so I don't really expect demos of such things in the way I do of the main items.

I hope SJ didn't work for weeks on that iPad demo and reads your comment ... you may just be on his s*it list LOL.
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It seems to me as best I can recall that Apple and usually SJ in person, always demos an actual product regardless of the level of specifications you may feel are lacking. I don't remember a new hardware product being merely shows as a video concept since Steve returned. It isn't sizzle at all to me when he hold a product in his hands and actually uses it live, mishaps and all. It is steak I can always taste. Shipping dates may be some time later in some cases but often they are pretty swift. I also seem to recall SJ usually details the tech specs pretty well, usually telling us what we will see, showing us and then telling us again what he told us already.

I'm not comparing a Steve Jobs on-stage demo with an advertisement. Nobody does a product dog-and-pony show like Jobs. Nobody really even tries. I am only talking about ads. As for specifications, I don't recall if Steve told us the clock speed on the processor when the iPad was announced, but I know that some specs for the iPad have still never been officially disclosed, like the RAM. Not that I care -- it's simply a matter of selling product in the most effective manner.

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Lets compare like devices. The iPad, Kindle and PlayBook.

I'm not trying to compare devices, only the approach to advertising them. I well remember the reaction around here to some of the first iPad videos and ads. So many people were sure that you simply could not use the device as it was shown to be used.
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I'm not trying to compare devices, only the approach to advertising them. I well remember the reaction around here to some of the first iPad videos and ads. So many people were sure that you simply could not use the device as it was shown to be used.

I think comparing the advertising methods are important, and I included Kindle and the N97 to give a more rounded and objective answer as to why this is not on the same level as the iPad (or Kindle).

As for those that don’t think it could work that way despite iPads on laps with hands manipulating them and a video of Jobs using it during the event and reviewers saying just how impressively snappy it was after the event. Christine O’Donnell said, "You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?” There will always be doubters.
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I believe this is RIM with all guns blazing, fighting for future sales from their existing client base. They don't have anything to show, they're under pressure and they MUST deliver the goods (at least according to the media). I think we are all slightly suspicious here because they are promising a lot for a tablet in terms of specs and capability. I suspect the thing will be pretty heavy and with many 'problems' based not upon technical know-how but upon the belief that they cannot possibly manage to bring such a powerful, capable product to market with an all new OS in such a short time. But regardless of what the product may be and how well it will perform - RIM is shouting loud and waving promises in order to make their existing clients 'jump ship'. There may be a lot of companies thinking they have so much invested in RIM, and that this looks like a very capable product so they'll wait. They are waving impressive specs and they are aiming the device squarely at business users. I think it is what they MUST do at this point but who know what will happen if they fail.

Pretty good analysis... It's a battle for survival.

Though, if I were in IT or management, for an enterprise trying to implement a mobile solution, I don't think I would gamble and wait 4-6 months for a RIM solution. Rather, I'd go full bore ahead with the iPad -- the only tangible. I'd take care to design solutions that would work on either form factor.

Then, no matter the eventual hardware deployment, I'd be 6 months ahead of the game.

At $500 per this is a no-risk, no-brainer.

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Research in Motion on Monday announced the "PlayBook," a 7-inch multi-touch tablet that represents the smartphone maker's first attempt to take on Apple's highly successful iPad....

Wow. They're sure kissing the female segment of the market goodbye. I would think that would be the most loyal segment too. Corporate users are fickle.

And at the same time, they showed basically no productivity apps beyond the basic stuff that's on everyone's phone.

So they are aiming at the male, corporate market, with a product that does the same picture shows and video watching as the iPad? And 90% of the video is just concepts and not actual UI? Or maybe they haven't got any word processing apps lined up yet? Seems like they are scrambling here at best.
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I think comparing the advertising methods are important, and I included Kindle and the N97 to give a more rounded and objective answer as to why this is not on the same level as the iPad (or Kindle).

As for those that dont think it could work that way despite iPads on laps with hands manipulating them and a video of Jobs using it during the event and reviewers saying just how impressively snappy it was after the event. Christine ODonnell said, "You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans? There will always be doubters.

What do you mean by level?

What about the iPod campaign, which Apple ran for years with images such as these:



... with the product barely even visible?
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You mean, like Apple announcing the iPad in January and not shipping until April? I read "early 2011" as possibly being little more than three months away.

The difference is that what the iPad is, what it does, and what it would cost were already set. Apple showed them off, told you when you could get it, and got developers on board.

RIM presented a sort of sketchy portrait, didn't say exactly when it would be released, and no idea what it will cost. Basically, they just got done designing this thing but still have some loose ends, and they don't even know the answers to those questions.
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You mean, like Apple announcing the iPad in January and not shipping until April? I read "early 2011" as possibly being little more than three months away.

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Was gonna post the same thing...

The iPad was announced at the end of January and was in peoples hands at the beginning of April. What is that, around 60 days? And they announced pricing as well.

The RIM product has no pricing and an early 2011 ship date. If it was going to ship in January, they would have said so. What "early 2011" means is that they aren't confident about the ship date which will be Feb or March, at the earliest.

The early announcement was done, as others have suggested, to keep some people from buying competitors products. This is especially important because more and more Google powered devices will be hitting the market in this time frame. And make no mistake, it is not just about the tablet. RIM knows as their users adopt other devices they will start leaving their phone platform as well.

This RIM announcement reminds me of when Palm announced web OS for their new phone. Lots of hype and promises and while it was a okay device, the market had pegged it for irrelevance by the time it actually shipped.

The same thing will happen to RIM's pad. The company will be on life support and bought by another company in 18-24 months.

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What do you mean by level?

What about the iPod campaign, which Apple ran for years with images such as these:



... with the product barely even visible?

Hello ... talk about apples and oranges ... That's an ad ... not a product announcement that is supposed to highlight the next revolution the company is about to undertake ... as is the PlayBook for RIM.
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The iPad was announced at the end of January and was in peoples hands at the beginning of April. What is that, around 60 days? And they announced pricing as well.

The RIM product has no pricing and an early 2011 ship date. If it was going to ship in January, they would have said so. What "early 2011" means is that they aren't confident about the ship date which will be Feb or March, at the earliest.

The early announcement was done, as others have suggested, to keep some people from buying competitors products. This is especially important because more and more Google powered devices will be hitting the market in this time frame. And make no mistake, it is not just about the tablet. RIM knows as their users adopt other devices they will start leaving their phone platform as well.

This RIM announcement reminds me of when Palm announced web OS for their new phone. Lots of hype and promises and while it was a okay device, the market had pegged it for irrelevance by the time it actually shipped.

The same thing will happen to RIM's pad. The company will be on life support and bought by another company in 18-24 months.

-kpluck

That's quite a prediction for a company with that much marketshare, and such a strong hold on enterprise.

I don't know how this device will go, but I recall the predictions of android being a non starter and didn't stand a chance against the iphone.
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The iPad was announced at the end of January and was in peoples hands at the beginning of April. What is that, around 60 days? And they announced pricing as well.

The RIM product has no pricing and an early 2011 ship date. If it was going to ship in January, they would have said so. What "early 2011" means is that they aren't confident about the ship date which will be Feb or March, at the earliest.

The early announcement was done, as others have suggested, to keep some people from buying competitors products. This is especially important because more and more Google powered devices will be hitting the market in this time frame. And make no mistake, it is not just about the tablet. RIM knows as their users adopt other devices they will start leaving their phone platform as well.

This is also one of the reasons Apple broke their usual rules and pre-announced the iPad, so obviously two can play. I'm not counting days, as that's just a game. I'm also not guessing what RIM's pre-annoucment means in terms of a real shipping date, as that's just a fool's errand. I simply do not understand the position that the video is a "fake" and that the product is like Microsoft's nonexistent Courier. I've challenged people who say this to show me how RIM could be so stupid as to release a video a product that will either never arrive or not look at all like the promotional ad, but I notice nobody has taken me up on it.
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Hello ... talk about apples and oranges ... That's an ad ... not a product announcement that is supposed to highlight the next revolution the company is about to undertake ... as is the PlayBook for RIM.

Huh? Whatever they happen to be advertising, they are both advertisements.
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The iPad was announced at the end of January and was in peoples hands at the beginning of April. What is that, around 60 days? And they announced pricing as well.

The RIM product has no pricing and an early 2011 ship date. If it was going to ship in January, they would have said so. What "early 2011" means is that they aren't confident about the ship date which will be Feb or March, at the earliest.

The early announcement was done, as others have suggested, to keep some people from buying competitors products. This is especially important because more and more Google powered devices will be hitting the market in this time frame. And make no mistake, it is not just about the tablet. RIM knows as their users adopt other devices they will start leaving their phone platform as well.

This RIM announcement reminds me of when Palm announced web OS for their new phone. Lots of hype and promises and while it was a okay device, the market had pegged it for irrelevance by the time it actually shipped.

The same thing will happen to RIM's pad. The company will be on life support and bought by another company in 18-24 months.

-kpluck

Whoa! Who will buy them... Oracle? CNBC?

Edit: add IBM to that list.

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Selling the sizzle instead of the steak. Apple's ads don't dwell on specifications, or even the functions of their products. If the ads work at all, it's because they make you excited about the concept they are selling. I've got nothing against it; this is just how advertising works. This is what RIM is doing with this ad. Very light on the specifics and long on eye-catching generalities. A lot like an Apple ad, is what I thought when I saw it. That BTW is not a criticism. Apple is the master of this approach.

The difference is Apple, post Jobs return, always uses the device itself in the ad used to sell the concept. They use the widget to tell a 30 sec story of the things it does and how you can feel cool using it.

RIM used Minority Report graphics completely disassociated from their product. The way cool images that have absolutely no chance of meeting expectations in the reality. The best potential differentiator in the ad, the augmented reality shot in the art gallery, could have been spectacular if it had been done with an actual device. But when you see it the second time you can tell the scene was composited. Badly. With the actual background bleeding through the too transparently composited element inside the picture frame.

The random switching between a 4:3 and 3:2 ratio in the Minority Report graphics are sure to be a bone of contention when the delivered screen doesn't look like most of the commercial. There is a section in the middle that looks most reasonable for a 3:2 display, but unless RIM is getting a custom panel, 1024x600 is shipping everywhere else as essentially 16:9. That means the geometries for content they are visually promising won't be there in reality.

They are also setting themselves up for potential buyer dissatisfaction because a 7" display is relatively small, but they always show it as really big. Yes, it's just advertising, not a literal promise, but RIM didn't put any context in there to mentally prepare buyers for e smallish screen. iPhones have tiny screens in comparison, but Apple always used real hands in the ads, so that phone in the ad on a 52" screen didn't cause any mental conflicts when you got to the store. The hand is an invariant that grounded the screen size despite being radically enlarged in the ads.

It's little stuff like this this that is incredibly important in shaping attitudes when people finally get to see the real thing. RIM is literally overselling the device, unintentionally, and setting themselves up for blogdom panning and overall disappointment when it actually ships.
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What do you mean by level?

What about the iPod campaign, which Apple ran for years with images such as these:



... with the product barely even visible?

You are missing that one by a mile. It is those ads that made the iPod white earbuds and cord iconic. The ads played off the high contrast making the most important element, the iPod stand out the most. It never needed to be big, actually being small but still the most visible element reinforces the ease of using it. The rest of the ad told the story of how deeply affected the person in the ad was by what was coming out of that iPod.

The iPod was always about the content, not the specs, not the device. That's why the product and marketing were so brilliant and no other player ever got close to making a reasonable competitor. They all thought it was the device, not the story about the content and what you can do with your content and those white earbuds.
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This is also one of the reasons Apple broke their usual rules and pre-announced the iPad, so obviously two can play. I'm not counting days, as that's just a game. I'm also not guessing what RIM's pre-annoucment means in terms of a real shipping date, as that's just a fool's errand. I simply do not understand the position that the video is a "fake" and that the product is like Microsoft's nonexistent Courier. I've challenged people who say this to show me how RIM could be so stupid as to release a video a product that will either never arrive or not look at all like the promotional ad, but I notice nobody has taken me up on it.

What other competitors were Apple trying to dissuade? Literally there were and still are none. Apple utterly defined the product space so resoundingly the only reasonable technical competitor at the time, HP, said we are going back to the drawing board, the tablet project is cancelled.

Apple made the announcement specifically to let the developers into the fold without having the 100% realized risk that an iPad developer would get the message out about the hardware before Apple did.

And I have taken you up on your last little challenge without even knowing you had issued it yet. A couple posts up from here I have that response for you, even though I just got to your quoted post as I wade through the thread.
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post #189 of 392
Another failed attempt to copy Apple-All wannabe's please stop now!
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This confirms it: the also-rans are officially out of ideas.
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What do you mean by level?

What about the iPod campaign, which Apple ran for years with images such as these:



... with the product barely even visible?

Adding to what Hiro stated, those ads came out well after the iPod was becoming iconic. Those weren’t teaser ads that had you guessing how an iPod actually works. You could go into a store, ask a friend or google it to find gobs and gobs of photos, video, reviews and tests of the product in action.

If you want me to compare it to the PlayBook, at least these iconic iPod ads actually showed the device being in used in a very mobile way. I have expected to see the PlayBook UI being shown on a melting clock.


As for your previous comment about specs. You should know that you can’t look at the base HW specs and tell which device is effectively faster if they are using disparate OSes. RiM saying the PlayBook has dual-core processor doesn’t mean that it will run the same basic app operations or feel faster from the user’s PoV simply because of the faster CPU and more RAM. There are plenty of reviews of the Nexus One with 1GHz CPU v. iPhone 3GS with 600MHz CPU showing the iPhone doing the same essential tasks faster. Where’s the battery time spec? Apple lists the important features for the typical consumer. I don’t think I’ve seen any other smartphone vendor list so many details about different types of battery usage.

BTW, here are the specs that were up immediately after the keynote demo, along with other pages prominently displaying price points, videos, images, and whole lot of info about why one would want to use it and how they could incorporate into their life. They don’t list RAM, but the average person still doesn’t know what RAM is. Even on these technical forums people confused NAND with RAM often.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

* Note: Android did a very impressive job with the v2.2 update.
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i really hate products always saying " full multi-touch " what does that mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! ipad supports 11 muti-touches, i am sure, no need to ask, this blackpad only supports only 2 touches(baby )... !!!!!!
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i really hate products always saying " full multi-touch " what does that mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! ipad supports 11 muti-touches, i am sure, no need to ask, this blackpad only supports only 2 touches(baby )... !!!!!!

After their Storm smartphones they damn well better be putting “full multi-touch” on all their devices.

Seriously though, Apple does list Multi-Touch as their trademark they own. it’s pretty generic, IMO, but this could be a simple way for RiM to make sure there is no legal issue.

http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/appletmlist.html
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post #194 of 392
I had one Blackberry-that was enough
For a lifetime.
After you use Apple, everything else sucks.
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So the Playbook is supposed to be able to display full 1080p?

Playbook resolution: 1024 x 600

1080p resolution: 1920 x 1080

Am I missing something?
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So the Playbook is supposed to be able to display full 1080p?

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Am I missing something?

yes, the PlayBook supports output via HDMI
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So the Playbook is supposed to be able to display full 1080p?

Playbook resolution: 1024 x 600

1080p resolution: 1920 x 1080

Am I missing something?

1) Yes you are missing something. The built-in display is 1024x600, but it can playback 1080p content and output 1080p content via HDMI which can be displayed on 1080p displays. They all scale to meet their needs.

2) Note that the 1080p resolution you listed is 1.78:1 aspect ratio and the PlayBook is 1.71:1 aspect ratio so the resolution you want could never happen anyway. Also, the PlayBook is 170 ppi, which is more than iPad at 132 ppi. The iPads ppi is good and the PlayBook is better.

3) The iPhone 4s HW can actually playback 1080p but this would cause some issues with battery duration and performance so Apple limited the maximum you can playback content recorded at 720p and even take video in 720p, though the display is 960x640.
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Oh come on. Enough with the double standards. Apple does this kind of thing all the time.

Oh really? Example please!
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Looks solid to me. The lack of 3G isn't a big deal - I've only used it once on my iPad.

I'm more curious about the OS, hard drive capacity, the availability of apps, and performance, of course.

Looks impressive. But for many of us, 3G on the iPad is crucial. It means, wherever you are, mobile phone or not, open your iPad, Boom! Da Internetz ready to go. They didn't mention capacity. I can haz local storage?

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Reading the specs and the provided info, it appears that content is not stored on the PlayBook itself, but is passed to it from a BlackBerry phone, or am I missing something?

1GB RAM is that for real? So you need this and a BlackBerry to carry your media around with you?

Why is it that these companies always make a huge mistake in their designs?

And look at the size of the bezel!

It is somewhat chunky for 7", I honestly am hoping this really succeeds, iPad is nowhere to be seen officially outside the few launch countries...!!

Yup, what is the local storage? 32GB? 64? 0? Why is this not mentioned? Did I miss it?

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LOL

yeah it's kind of hard to get it wrong when they're just filming an emulator running on much higher spec'd machines. Hell, I don't even know if we're seeing the actual OS, or a computer-generated example of what it will be, you know what I mean? HTC did this plenty of times with their videos on youtube. I mean shit, if you look at the touch pro video, you'd think that thing was as snappy as it could get. WRONG!

It looks impressive, this UI. Though the features, you gotta admit, mostly look iPad-like. I'm liking the sexiness of the UI. How does this translate to real-life use? I hope it does well.

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What's "fake" about the video? In fact it looks a lot like something Apple might do. A public demo also doesn't tell you much except that they've got working prototypes. I don't have any idea whether this product will be any good, or whether it will ship in three or six months, or never. But I think it's silly to criticize RIM for pre-announcing the product with a gee-wiz video, when that's exactly the kind of thing Apple does, and does so well.

Apple has a good track record of showing you exactly how the device does. The videos are usually done after the demo of the real device, and the Apple videos are fairly close to actual usage.

BTW. HOW IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR SERIOUS BUSINESS IF IT IS CALLED "PLAYBOOK". Seems weird to me. Unless it's the football reference, but PlayBook sounds like Playschool, Playdough, etc. I guess iPad sounded tampon-ish at the start... they seem to have successfully shaken of that association, I suppose.
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The difference is Apple, post Jobs return, always uses the device itself in the ad used to sell the concept. They use the widget to tell a 30 sec story of the things it does and how you can feel cool using it.

RIM used Minority Report graphics completely disassociated from their product. The way cool images that have absolutely no chance of meeting expectations in the reality. The best potential differentiator in the ad, the augmented reality shot in the art gallery, could have been spectacular if it had been done with an actual device. But when you see it the second time you can tell the scene was composited. Badly. With the actual background bleeding through the too transparently composited element inside the picture frame.

The random switching between a 4:3 and 3:2 ratio in the Minority Report graphics are sure to be a bone of contention when the delivered screen doesn't look like most of the commercial. There is a section in the middle that looks most reasonable for a 3:2 display, but unless RIM is getting a custom panel, 1024x600 is shipping everywhere else as essentially 16:9. That means the geometries for content they are visually promising won't be there in reality.

They are also setting themselves up for potential buyer dissatisfaction because a 7" display is relatively small, but they always show it as really big. Yes, it's just advertising, not a literal promise, but RIM didn't put any context in there to mentally prepare buyers for e smallish screen. iPhones have tiny screens in comparison, but Apple always used real hands in the ads, so that phone in the ad on a 52" screen didn't cause any mental conflicts when you got to the store. The hand is an invariant that grounded the screen size despite being radically enlarged in the ads.

It's little stuff like this this that is incredibly important in shaping attitudes when people finally get to see the real thing. RIM is literally overselling the device, unintentionally, and setting themselves up for blogdom panning and overall disappointment when it actually ships.

Based on your comments, I went back and reviewed the video -- with lots of pauses and replays.

The screen aspect ratio (simulated) is all over the place -- using things like manilla folders for masks. The impression is that there is a lot more information on the screen than is practical.

"Oh, you look much taller on TV!"

They showed no apps running or being interfaced -- only simulations some of which looked as if they were run on the iPad simulator. The "multitasking" demo showed a WebOs CoverFlow of cards and a single row of app icons. You see more than that on the iPhone screen at 1/4 the area.

Conclusions:

-- they haven't defined the UI
-- there is no OS
-- there is no SDK or Simulator

Apple pulled OS X experts to work on finalizing the first iOs from a running system (demoed).
It took trained experts 3 months to finalize iOS 1.

There is no way in hell that this will be ready for release before 3Q 2011!

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