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Don't even know what to say, I'm just bumming.
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<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2002Jun6.html" target="_blank">Obit</a>.

[quote] LOS ANGELES Dee Dee Ramone, a founding member of the pioneer punk band the Ramones, was found dead of a possible drug overdose in his Hollywood home, the coroner's office said Thursday. He was 50.

Ramone, whose real name was Douglas Glenn Colvin, was found dead on the couch by his wife when she returned home at 8:25 p.m. Wednesday, said Craig Harvey, operations chief for the coroner's office. Paramedics were called and he was declared dead at 8:40 p.m.

"The investigator noted drug paraphernalia, including a single syringe on the kitchen counter, and we are handing it as a possible accidental overdose," Harvey said. An autopsy was planned later Thursday.

The death comes 11 weeks after the band was celebrated with induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

"I'd like to congratulate myself, and thank myself, and give myself a big pat on the back," Ramone joked at the time. "Thank you, Dee Dee, you're very wonderful."

He had often feuded with his fellow band members, eventually quiting the group in the late '80s to launch a career as a rapper under the name Dee Dee King.

Lead singer Joey Ramone, born Jeffrey Hyman, died in April of last year of lymphoma, a form of cancer. He was 49. The other two members are Johnny and Tommy Ramone; the four adopted the common last name after forming the band in 1974 in New York City.

The Ramones' best-known songs reflected their twisted teen years in Queens: "Beat on the Brat," "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue," "Teenage Lobotomy," "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker."

Dee Dee Ramone was one of the band's major songwriters, and among his better known songs was "Chinese Rock" a tale of going on the street to score heroin, co-written with punk runk icon and overdose victim Johnny Thunders.

Despite their influence and critical acclaim, though, the Ramones never cracked the Top 40.

While British bands such as the Sex Pistols and Clash received the media attention once punk rock exploded, both were schooled by the Ramones' tour of England that began on the U.S. Bicentennial July 4, 1976.

"They're the daddy punk group of all time," Joe Strummer, lead singer of the Clash, once told Spin magazine.

Dee Dee Ramone was the band's bassist. The Ramones recorded their first album in February 1976. The band then earned a loyal cult following with a seemingly endless string of tours where they would crank out 30 songs in 90 minutes.

The Ramones disbanded in 1996 after a tour that followed their final studio album, "Adios Amigos." A live farewell tour album, "We're Outta Here!", was released in 1997.

The coroner's office did not say what drug was suspected of causing Ramone's death. In his autobiography, "Lobotomy: Surviving the Ramones," he had written of his struggle with drug and alcohol abuse. <hr></blockquote>
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Dropping like long haired flies clad in leather and tight denim...

At least we have the Strokes to bring us back up again.
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[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>Dropping like long haired flies clad in leather and tight denim...

At least we have the Strokes to bring us back up again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Strokes? What a joke. Bunch a rich brats. No one will replace the Ramones or the scene they started. Today's bands do not start "scenes" they're commercial fodder. Crap.

I wasn't surprised it was drugs. You would think that when you're hitting 50+ you'd lay off the Chinese (more like Afgan) Rock. One of the few surviving "Daddies of Punk" Iggy Pop knew this...and still rocks.

Well, there sure must be a punk fest in heaven/hell tonight... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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[quote] At least we have the Strokes to bring us back up again.

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Don't really like the Strokes, I'd say more like at least we have the Hives, but Artman is right none of that stuff has anything on the Ramones.
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I just don't get it -- the Ramones sucked. Sucked wind. Sure, they had a couple of songs, but nothing stupendous.
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[quote]Originally posted by finboy:
<strong>I just don't get it -- the Ramones sucked. Sucked wind. Sure, they had a couple of songs, but nothing stupendous.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Therefore you are an idiot. Still, you had nothing to substantiate your own musical tastes anyway. The Ramones epitomized the angst that teenagers and true rock fans had at that time. Horrible top 40 bullshit music a la Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Disco and dinosaur rock (ELP, Yes and Led Led Zeppelin).

They were only one of the many in that time that knew that the only way they could change rock music was to pick up a guitar or drumsticks and play. They did. And their acceptance into the institution (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame) proves that after 28 years, 21 albums (though that figure does include live sets) and over 2,263 live shows they did matter. As many of the bands after them, who were influenced by them (too many to mention) will attest.

You're another story. Join the rest of the minority... listening to boring stupid rock.
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[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
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Therefore you are an idiot. Still, you had nothing to substantiate your own musical tastes anyway. The Ramones epitomized the angst that teenagers and true rock fans had at that time. Horrible top 40 bullshit music a la Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Disco and dinosaur rock (ELP, Yes and Led Led Zeppelin).

They were only one of the many in that time that knew that the only way they could change rock music was to pick up a guitar or drumsticks and play. They did. And their acceptance into the institution (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame) proves that after 28 years, 21 albums (though that figure does include live sets) and over 2,263 live shows they did matter. As many of the bands after them, who were influenced by them (too many to mention) will attest.

You're another story. Join the rest of the minority... listening to boring stupid rock.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd argue that along with millions of others, you got caught up in the idea that The Ramones were somehow the right music to listen to. Not because they knew what they were doing musically, or they knew how to write decent tunes, but because it was the "cool" thing. Like the Sex Pistols and some of the punk bands after them. Admittedly, The Ramones proved that you could have ABSOLUTELY NO F*CKING TALENT or statement to make and get famous. In their case, though, Andy Warhol was a little off -- their fame lasted a little longer than fifteen minutes.

So just as artists such as Alanis Morrisette are manufactured to meet the tastes of a certain (hopeless) segment of the audience, The Ramones were created to appeal to the musically uninitiated and frustrated, at a time when there was absolutely nothing worth listening to on the radio. I think they were also destined to appeal to all the wannabe musicians out there, those who thought that picking up an instrument was all that was necessary to be a rock star.

Thankfully, at least Joey Ramone (RIP) had the decency to RECOGNIZE THIS and not take himself too seriously. THAT'S why I liked him (and some of their music) -- because at least one member of the band had the balls to admit what the phenomenon was all about. THAT attitude was correct, and therefore I respected him for it. It's the rest of the world that makes them into gods that makes me chuckle.

EDIT: OK, I've been listening to a few CDs. I'll retrack my earlier statements about The Ramones sucking wind. It had a beat -- you could dance to it.

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Finboy while I believe music to be a highly subjective and personal thing I gotta disagree with you. If you think none of their songs had meaning just check out Bonzo Goes To Bittburg.

Also as you pointed out their songs have a good beat and I would argue that there's really not much better or more important in life than to get lost in music and dance like a fool. Believe me, going nuts at a Ramone's show was some of the most fun you could ever have.

I'd also like to point out that while their songs may be fairly easy to play poorly they are extremely difficult to play well. Remember they only used downstrokes. I mean I've met guys who could every lame ass piece of wank like Satriani or Van Halen, but could not make those three chords to Tonight sound decent.
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"So just as artists such as Alanis Morrisette are manufactured to meet the tastes of a certain (hopeless) segment of the audience, The Ramones were created to appeal to the musically uninitiated and frustrated, at a time when there was absolutely nothing worth listening to on the radio. I think they were also destined to appeal to all the wannabe musicians out there, those who thought that picking up an instrument was all that was necessary to be a rock star."

The Ramones (and other NYC bands) created themselves and the scene...it was not from some AR or PR fools. Every rock star...EVERY rock star from Elvis on up are wannabe musicians. They borrow, copy and steal from the previous trends and styles in R&R, Blues and R&B. That's what R&R is all about. Of course the Ramones never took themselves seriously. Once the Sex Pistols or Clash did...they became a joke.

But think about how a band like the Ramones had a 26 year stint...not many bands last more than two or three. The Talking Heads started out as frustrated artists who picked up instruments and played too. Didn't their music and talent mature though? One of the few bands at that time that took themselves seriously and suceeded in doing so.
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[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
<strong>"So just as artists such as Alanis Morrisette are manufactured to meet the tastes of a certain (hopeless) segment of the audience, The Ramones were created to appeal to the musically uninitiated and frustrated, at a time when there was absolutely nothing worth listening to on the radio. I think they were also destined to appeal to all the wannabe musicians out there, those who thought that picking up an instrument was all that was necessary to be a rock star."

The Ramones (and other NYC bands) created themselves and the scene...it was not from some AR or PR fools. Every rock star...EVERY rock star from Elvis on up are wannabe musicians. They borrow, copy and steal from the previous trends and styles in R&R, Blues and R&B. That's what R&R is all about. Of course the Ramones never took themselves seriously. Once the Sex Pistols or Clash did...they became a joke.

But think about how a band like the Ramones had a 26 year stint...not many bands last more than two or three. The Talking Heads started out as frustrated artists who picked up instruments and played too. Didn't their music and talent mature though? One of the few bands at that time that took themselves seriously and suceeded in doing so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I started to mention The Talking Heads in my post. Good point. I realize that The Ramones weren't some record company's creation, but THEY created the whole thing as a joke. When it caught on, they were as amazed as anyone else.

OK, I'll concede to you guys. Upon further reflection.

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Television, Talking Heads, The Ramones, Patti Smith - all part of that NYC, CBGBs, late '70s scene. (I know I'm leaving out somebody important.) The Talking Heads first show was when they opened for The Ramones. I was so close to all that and I missed it. Woulda, shoulda, coulda made the road trip. Damn.
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[quote]Originally posted by finboy:
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I started to mention The Talking Heads in my post. Good point. I realize that The Ramones weren't some record company's creation, but THEY created the whole thing as a joke. When it caught on, they were as amazed as anyone else.

OK, I'll concede to you guys. Upon further reflection.

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I would reccomend reading "Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk".

It offers a clearer picture as to how the whole NYC Punk scene began.

The term "Punk" orginally came from the fanzine Punk that the author Legs McNeil and two others created. There really wasn't any term to put onto the scene. It was a very diverse one. When Legs McNeil published the first issue they posted flyers that read "Punk is Coming" and that slogan became the mantra for the scene...therefore many bands became "Punk" overnight...whether they liked it or not (Television, Talking Heads, Patti Smith Group, etc.).

The closest scene that exploded in this way since then was the Grunge scene. Where music, art and culture melded together into one.

Today there's nothing. But I think technology and the Internet has changed the music culture dramatically...

Don't concede...I accept your opinion. You ain't an idiot either...nothing that a lobotomy can't cure.
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