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The Droid X has a ~5 inch screen. It's a little too big for your pocket, so people clip them on their belt. And, at it's size; it is on the large side for a cell phone.

The iPad is at 9.7 inches and fits nicely in a case about the same size as a normal file. It's too big to fit on your belt, but is about the perfect size to carry. It's light weight, has a long battery life, and the design effort that went into it is amazing. Definitely a slam-dunk from half-court.

But, at 7 inches you are really too small to carry - but too large to clip on your belt. The screen isn't that much different from watching a movie or website on your Droid X. So, this unit is too large to be a phone, but too small to be a useful tablet.

This seems like a misfit appliance out of the gate.

You summed up exactly why Apple came out with what they did. I suspect the reason for most going for 7" is to desperately try to match the low cost of an iPad which Apple achieve by owning so much of their own technology. It will be a losing battle for the the 7" wannabes I suspect.
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I am curious when Apple will sue all of the copycats that are using multi-touch input that Apple has been granted the patent on last January 2009. I am wondering if Apple is just waiting for all of the manufactures to have a few million devices sold and then Apple unleashes the lawyers. I can't wait to see what the stock does when that happens.
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Not saying the Dell stuff will do well (it will be a flop). But in general, people like choices... Lots of choices...

Not all people like an excessive number of choices:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sh..._choosing.html

I have recently found it a little overwhelming when I look at the spaghetti sauces in the grocery store - way too many choices, which actually makes it unpleasant to choose. There is a tricky balance between having enough to satisfy most users and having too many choices.
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Originally Posted by garyemery View Post

You might be right, but then people take longer to decide and become confused.

"Should I get the 3" or the 4" Dell Tablet? ... I could always get the Streak? Oh, the 7" is only a little bit more money too, maybe I should get that? Or, I could just wait for the 10" coming later this year. Ah, screw it, I'll buy an iPad."

If I'm buying gadgets I tend to research into what I'm thinking of buying quite a lot before I get it. As I'm sure most people here will. The average consumer, who is likely not as tech-savvy as most of us, will see all of these Dell products and just be confused. They see the iPad, and they all look the same and they're easy to understand. Do you want a lot of music and video storage? Buy a bigger iPad. Do you want internet on the go? Buy a 3G iPad. Otherwise, they're all identical.

Choice is an amazing thing for people like us. It's not for the average consumer.

I agree, too much choice only causes confusion. I like Apple's approach, but I do think a 7" would be a nice size. I haven't had the chance to see anything that size, so it is hard to tell. I just know the current iPad is just a little heavy. But, the screen is fantastic and movies look great on it.
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Well, they certainly look like they will be directly competing for developers, at least. One has to wonder what HP is up to with webOS, though. At this point it seems almost dead, although, hibernating might be more accurate.

I have to think they intend at some point soon for an HP iOS competitor to rise from WebOS and differentiate them and allow them a tighter integration between hardware and software (an idea they may have gleaned from Apple maybe? Android will become too generic and at the same time inconsistent with every manufacturer throwing something out there running it. Anything HP is making now is I assume a stop gap. Not a good selling point if true!
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post #46 of 129
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You summed up exactly why Apple came out with what they did. I suspect the reason for most going for 7" is to desperately try to match the low cost of an iPad which Apple achieve by owning so much of their own technology. It will be a losing battle for the the 7" wannabes I suspect.

speaking purely about screen size (not device...) I used an ipad and a 7" samsung tab, and I much prefered the tab. (not device, the size before anyone gets excited). It seemed common sentiment. But it'll come down to some will, some won't. I don't think anyone can say definitely that the 7" form will fail. I doubt it. It'll be something else that will cause that.

as far as Dell, well, he should give his shareholders their money back before they (dell) die.
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post #47 of 129
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I am curious when Apple will sue all of the copycats that are using multi-touch input that Apple has been granted the patent on last January 2009. I am wondering if Apple is just waiting for all of the manufactures to have a few million devices sold and then Apple unleashes the lawyers. I can't wait to see what the stock does when that happens.

I have been asking this or similar questions for a while. SJ stated the iPhone was well protected by patents at its launch. At the time a BB was considered high tech! So there was nothing even close back then, not even Google's drawing board version of Android. Since iPhone's release we see so many copy cats ... were the patents useless or what ...is there a plan? We keep seeing threads about one law suit after another dating back to the 1990's yet here we are with the most tech savvy company there is stating it had patented the iPhone very well (SJ even smiled knowingly as he said it) ... I don't get it.
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post #48 of 129
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

The profit or rather lack thereof amongst all those scrambling to get out pads running whatever OS will be horrific. As we have mentioned before they are all throwing together parts from various sources to make these things including the OS. It is going to be a blood bath out there except for Apple.

And yet they are more likely to make a profit now from the tablet market than they were a year ago because of Apples emergence into (and recreation of) this market. Just like with the iPhone, even if hate Apple and their products, if you are buying a RiM, HP, Dell anyone elses tablet you should be glad Apple made it possible for these others to have a clear path to play follow the leader.
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post #49 of 129
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Originally Posted by knwbuddy View Post

You might be forgetting the retailer. They choose which products to carry and which to highlight. Best Buy, for example, might use the "good, better, best" strategy, much as Apple does with its MBPs.

And big CE companies often make the same basic product with different SKUs for different retailers. TV sets often are available only at one chain, while an equivalent will be available at the next shopping center down the road, albeit merchandised as a different line.

And then it is up to the salesman to identify the factors that the customer cares about, and exclude the products which don't fit the bill. A good salesman can quickly steer a naive customer to a good choice.

I don't think choice is a bad thing. Experienced manufacturers and retailers know better than either of us about optimal product mix.

I don't think choice is a bad thing, not at all. I think too much choice is a bad thing. The scenario you provided with the salesman hinges on that salesman being honest. I think some salesmen would attempt to convince a naive consumer to buy a higher end product that exceeded their needs rather than meet them.

Going to buy an flat screen TV is a good example. If you go into an electrical retailer here in the UK, there are literally hundreds of TVs in the show room. So many differences to consider - resolution, refresh rate, screen size, LCD vs Plasma. This is a consumers worst nightmare. Sure, a salesman could help in this instance. But how many times have you gone in to a store and had a salesman try to talk you in to buying something cheaper? (Not saying it doesn't happen).

HTC have over-saturated the market with Android phones. I would say this is a very bad thing. But, as you said experienced manufacturers know what they're doing. More Android phones on the market, means more Android sales. But I'm arguing it's not consumer friendly, and I stand by that.
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Can you name a couple of apps that support 11 multi-touches... 11 mutli-touches seems like a useless spec to me.

Why do you need an app that supports all eleven? If for each "multi-touch" that iOS provides there is at least one app that puts it to good use, then this is a good thing.

Update: Ah, now I see. I thought the point was that there were 11 different multi-touch "gestures" defined for use on iOS. Now I see that you're talking about how many simultaneous touches can be detected by the Pad. Someone mentioned the Piano app, and that clued me in.

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Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post

speaking purely about screen size (not device...) I used an ipad and a 7" samsung tab, and I much prefered the tab. (not device, the size before anyone gets excited). It seemed common sentiment. But it'll come down to some will, some won't. I don't think anyone can say definitely that the 7" form will fail. I doubt it. It'll be something else that will cause that.

as far as Dell, well, he should give his shareholders their money back before they (dell) die.

Yep I agree, sorry I didn't mean they had a problem because of 7" so much rather the entire issue of trying to compete with Apple and the 7" is obviously cheaper thus I assume part of the equation to try to compete. The pros and cons of 7" I think are what Apple weighed and they went for a size they felt fit the widest range uses it is intended for best, I agree with them. However if the iPad had been 7" I am sure we would have all loved it all the same.
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post #53 of 129
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Originally Posted by replicant View Post

Let the clone war begin!

In any case, this is good news as Dell is going to push the price down.
In terms of competition, the Blackberry Playbook poses the biggest challenge in terms of specs and UI IMHO. Also, it looks like the majority of the newcomers are opting for the 7" format which is lighter and requires only one hand. I like it.

I do hope Apple revamps the UI of the iPAD. They were one of the first to implement Cover Flow and now everyone is copying them. So it makes sense to see it on the IPAD. The grid layout is getting old.

Coverflow looks cool and all that, but in my opinion it is terribly inefficient.

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Originally Posted by replicant View Post

Let the clone war begin!

In any case, this is good news as Dell is going to push the price down.

you're correct. dell will push the price of apple's other competitor's products down. the ipad is a huge success for apple. why should they lower their price?

furthermore, dell doesn't offer the whole 'experience'. they built the thing and are perfectly happy to field calls for failing hardware, but the consumer has to go to android support for bugs, and other software problems.

while i don't think it will be a complete failure, it won't push dell much further in the market. besides, apple is already on their 2nd generation ipad (probably more like 3rd or 4th—rest assured, those are already in r&d). everyone else is playing catch up.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

And yet they are more likely to make a profit now from the tablet market than they were a year ago because of Apples emergence into (and recreation of) this market. Just like with the iPhone, even if hate Apple and their products, if you are buying a RiM, HP, Dell anyone elses tablet you should be glad Apple made it possible for these others to have a clear path to play follow the leader.

Apple's sure did open up a clear path where no one saw one before. I suspect they all (the other manufacturers that is) foresee a massive decline in old fashioned PC designs selling to the masses who only bought them because that was all there was. If 90% of people can do 90% of what they need on a iPad why buy a PC tower? They really have zero choice but to try to get a foot in this door before it closes on them.
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post #56 of 129
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Apple's sure did open up a clear path where no one saw one before. I suspect they all (the other manufacturers that is) foresee a massive decline in old fashioned PC designs selling to the masses who only bought them because that was all there was. If 90% of people can do 90% of what they need on a iPad why buy a PC tower? They really have zero choice but to try to get a foot in this door before it closes on them.

People might move back to a 1 PC home again, but this time with multiple satellite computing devices for general use.
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post #57 of 129
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You summed up exactly why Apple came out with what they did. I suspect the reason for most going for 7" is to desperately try to match the low cost of an iPad which Apple achieve by owning so much of their own technology. It will be a losing battle for the the 7" wannabes I suspect.

I'm going to disagree. If I had the choice between 10" and 7", and even if they cost the same, I'd choose the 7". Another way too look at it... it's not so much that the 10" iPad is too big, it's that the iPod touch is too small (and limited in functionality because of it's size).

10" isn't a bad size, but if the "one-size-fits-all" mentality ruled, Apple would only have one size MBP. There are obviously different people with different needs.

Apple started with the 10" size because it was the logical place to start. They already had the low end covered with the touch and they need to show people the iPad wasn't just a larger touch. Maybe 7" isn't the right spot, I'd even go for something a wee bit smaller still to be more portable. But the touch is too small and too limited to be a truly useful multipurpose device.

I think once more of these competitor 7" devices hit the street, you'll find a lot of people choosing them intead of an iPad, not because the OS or user experience is better. Size will become a primary factor for many people.
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People might move back to a 1 PC home again, but this time with multiple satellite computing devices for general use.

I have a feeling the need for the base station (which iPad needs now) will soon be gone and the family can just have a few iPads if that's all they require. I have a suspicion the answer to this riddle of how to remove the base PC will be additional features in iOS and Apple's new secret building in the Carolinas.

Obviously a MacPros and MBPs will be needed by creators for the foreseeable future too.
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I'm going to disagree. If I had the choice between 10" and 7", and even if they cost the same, I'd choose the 7". Another way too look at it... it's not so much that the 10" iPad is too big, it's that the iPod touch is too small (and limited in functionality because of it's size).

10" isn't a bad size, but if the "one-size-fits-all" mentality ruled, Apple would only have one size MBP. There are obviously different people with different needs.

Apple started with the 10" size because it was the logical place to start. They already had the low end covered with the touch and they need to show people the iPad wasn't just a larger touch. Maybe 7" isn't the right spot, I'd even go for something a wee bit smaller still to be more portable. But the touch is too small and too limited to be a truly useful multipurpose device.

I think once more of these competitor 7" devices hit the street, you'll find a lot of people choosing them intead of an iPad, not because the OS or user experience is better. Size will become a primary factor for many people.

I posted an update to that comment you may now have seen and I don't necessarily disagree, I was saying the 7" in the competition maybe more about keeping the price down than the issue of user choice. Apple can easily add a 7" down the road if and when they feel there is a need / demand.
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"a whole slew"
these people just don't get it.

Not just half a slew. Nossir. We're taking it to the max, thinking outside the box, and giving 110%!

Hey, I'm convinced.
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you're correct. dell will push the price of apple's other competitor's products down. the ipad is a huge success for apple. why should they lower their price?

furthermore, dell doesn't offer the whole 'experience'. they built the thing and are perfectly happy to field calls for failing hardware, but the consumer has to go to android support for bugs, and other software problems.

while i don't think it will be a complete failure, it won't push dell much further in the market. besides, apple is already on their 2nd generation ipad (probably more like 3rd or 4threst assured, those are already in r&d). everyone else is playing catch up.

Is there such a thing as "Android Support"? I'm not being snarky... it's an honest question.

It seems to me that if vendors slap together some hardware and then port a free operating system onto it, then they are going to have to support the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Not saying the Dell stuff will do well (it will be a flop). But in general, people like choices... Lots of choices...

Actually you are dead wrong. Repeated studies show that people do not like "Lots of choices". When people are offered two or three items they will usually buy, any more choices than that they get overwhelmed and buy less.
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Is there such a thing as "Android Support"? I'm not being snarky... it's an honest question.

It seems to me that if vendors slap together some hardware and then port a free operating system onto it, then they are going to have to support the whole thing.

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I'd agree. It's a rerun of the definition of a Windows PC. That worked last time around, I doubt the scenario will wash twice with such a powerful alternative as Apple have out there this time.
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Amazing the tone of this thread. I think you guys are really afraid of some competition.

You are pissing on the thing before it even comes out. Why don't you wait until you've had a chance to play with the thing before you...what's the hip word young people use today...dis it??

Make a 7 inch pad, put a camera on it and Adobe Flash so you can watch videos in the browser and you might have something there. Get developers to write great games for it and kids will love it.

Since Apple likes to release 1st editions of their products with features missing that should be common sense, I think there is a market for copy cat products if they offer features people want. And if they make it cheaper, all the better.

It has nothing to do with being afraid of competition. Dell is not competition, when was the last time they came out with anything amazing?
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Actually you are dead wrong. Repeated studies show that people do not like "Lots of choices". When people are offered two or three items they will usually buy, any more choices than that they get overwhelmed and buy less.

Totally correct. There was a lesson on this from SJ himself. Remember Apple's line up prior to SJ's return? There were so many darned Apples to choose from it was ludicrous. The master of marketing's first act was to axe the range. His other thing was nomenclature but that's another story.
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It has nothing to do with being afraid of competition. Dell is not competition, when was the last time they came out with anything amazing?

Please add him to your ignore list then we don't have to see his trolling
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Actually you are dead wrong. Repeated studies show that people do not like "Lots of choices". When people are offered two or three items they will usually buy, any more choices than that they get overwhelmed and buy less.

Too many choices can often be problematic. However, it is also true that if you ask people if they'd rather have more or less choice, typically, they will respond in favor of more. It's kind of an interesting example of what people say they want not being what actually always works well for them.

Of course, it's not like we really have free will, anyway.
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He also missed MS DOS. Has he no respect for history!

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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Can you name a couple of apps that support 11 multi-touches... 11 mutli-touches seems like a useless spec to me.

Piano and Midi Controller apps. I needs them 10 multi-touches.
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The most telling thing from Dell is they never (at least that I know of) reported good sales of the Streak or anything related to it? Someone (eg. Blackintosh) please advise if you know how the Streak is doing...??? I don't see much info on it's progress/success???

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U.S. computer maker Dell reportedly plans to take on Apple's iPad with a smaller, 7-inch device set to launch in a matter of weeks, as well as a 10-inch touchscreen device planned to debut in the next year.

As noted Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal, the president of Dell in Greater China revealed that the 7-inch tablet, shown off briefly last week by CEO Michael Dell, will launch "within the next few weeks." The device will run Google's Android mobile operating system.

Amit Midha of Dell also indicated that his company plans to launch "a whole slew" of new products in the next 6-12 months, including a 10-inch tablet closer in size to Apple's 9.7-inch iPad. Midha said his company will offer products in multiple sizes, including three and four inches, and some of them will run Microsoft Windows instead of Android.

He also revealed that Dell will provide tablets running Google's lightweight Chrome OS operating system, designed for low-cost netbooks and lightweight portable devices. Google's browser-based operating system is set to launch this fall.

In August, Dell launched the Streak, a 5-inch device that functions as a smartphone, but has been pitched by the computer maker as a "tablet." The device runs on the AT&T network in the U.S., and costs $299 with a two-year contract, or $549 without. It also runs Android 1.6, though an update to Froyo 2.2 is planned.

Device makers like Dell are clamoring to break in to the touchscreen tablet market, where Apple has made a splash with the success of its multi-touch iPad. The iPad sold more than 3 million in its first three months, and retail expansion is expected to help push the device to 21 million in 2011.
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Originally Posted by knwbuddy View Post

Totally. The average user probably has memorized fewer than three.

Beware of confusing gestures with touch points.

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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I posted an update to that comment you may now have seen and I don't necessarily disagree, I was saying the 7" in the competition maybe more about keeping the price down than the issue of user choice. Apple can easily add a 7" down the road if and when they feel there is a need / demand.

Got it. I agree the manufacturers are going with 7" because they can't compete with Apple on price for the 10". I originally thought you meant users were going for it because they wanted something cheap.
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U.S. computer maker Dell reportedly plans to take on Apple's iPad with a smaller, 7-inch device set to launch in a matter of weeks, as well as a 10-inch touchscreen device planned to debut in the next year.


VAPORWARE.

This is pure nonsense until it is actually released and is out in the open. And then it will be crap anyway.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Amazing the tone of this thread. I think you guys are really afraid of some competition.

You are pissing on the thing before it even comes out. Why don't you wait until you've had a chance to play with the thing before you...what's the hip word young people use today...dis it??

Valid point. Hell a lot of folks did that with the ipad. calling it a toy, a 'giant ipod touch', a waste during the weeks before the actual release. the lack of Flash support took a huge beating, particularly before companies started making HTML5 versions of sites and producing apps.

And then folks saw it, played with it, bought it.

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Originally Posted by djmikeo View Post

I am curious when Apple will sue all of the copycats that are using multi-touch input that Apple has been granted the patent on last January 2009.

If these folks are too stupid to properly license it from Apple, yes and they deserve it. But most of them probably are not and have the paperwork giving them permission.

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I think once more of these competitor 7" devices hit the street, you'll find a lot of people choosing them intead of an iPad, not because the OS or user experience is better. Size will become a primary factor for many people.

I disagree. Size will not be the primary factor for many people at all. Price and battery life sure with some "It has Flash" being a bonus. But not the physical size of the device.

Availability will also be a major factor. The ipad is out now. These others, well we don't have a date yet.

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I have respect for history! I remember CPM. I wrote the drivers for my first computer, an IMSAI.

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VAPORWARE.

This is pure nonsense until it is actually released and is out in the open. And then it will be crap anyway.

Just as in life, Dell would be better off releasing vapor instead of leaving a Streak.
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In any case, this is good news as Dell is going to push the price down.

Just to f*** with competitors' minds, Apple should sell iPads at cost for a year. What would that be, $47? They have enough cash on hand to subsidize the loss in income. Stock price might take a brief hit, but increased user base when everyone in the world buys an iPad would more than make up for it in the long run.

Spare me any lectures realists. I'm just having some speculative fun.
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Yep I agree, sorry I didn't mean they had a problem because of 7" so much rather the entire issue of trying to compete with Apple and the 7" is obviously cheaper thus I assume part of the equation to try to compete. The pros and cons of 7" I think are what Apple weighed and they went for a size they felt fit the widest range uses it is intended for best, I agree with them. However if the iPad had been 7" I am sure we would have all loved it all the same.

yep in fact I'm hoping apple does have a 7" in the next release in ipad2, I'll pre order that in a hurry.


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Just to f*** with competitors' minds, Apple should sell iPads at cost for a year. What would that be, $47? They have enough cash on hand to subsidize the loss in income. Stock price might take a brief hit, but increased user base when everyone in the world buys an iPad would more than make up for it in the long run.

Spare me any lectures realists. I'm just having some speculative fun.

But I thought apple isn't interested in marketshare.
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I posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating - Since Apple has already been planning out the way this platform will develop - they have been buying up the screens and the other components that make up the platform - items that have been remarked upon previously as impacting the market in some cases. This produces shortages in components, driving up component cost and delaying manufacture of competing devices. So it makes no sense for competitors to try and go toe-to-toe with the form factor - they can't get enough parts to do it (setting aside all other arguments for the moment). Going after the next most logical form factor - already established by the Kindle and Nook technologies - the 7 inch, where there are plenty of screens and components.

They are still subject to the other above set-aside issues as well - no/miniscule ecosystem, an almost ready for primetime ChromeOS, an Android 3 with a cautionary note from Google on it, Win7, QNIX/BB6, or Maemo. None of these are ready tocompete with the iOS platform. All of which have some less robust touch hardware system, and all the other issues around hardware build, etc. These are out there because iPad reportedly directly impacted netbook sales. We need to see the "real" numbers to know if that was the case, but early numbers support the idea. So they are scrambling to climb on the next "netbook" race to the bottom effort. These are even cheaper than netbooks to produce, but have an even lower profit margin, thanks to Apple's agressive pricing on the iPad.

What will be the result? Many people have been around an iPad already, so they will bring that experience to the testing of these new devices. If they are anything like the early iterations of Android (for example), the UI will be questionable, and performance nothing like the iPad, either in apps, battery life or useability. And let's remember also that Apple is a moving target - what has been delivered to the masses is already old news to Apple. They are always moving forward with their development plans. The current iPad was merely a stake in the ground for the form-factor. All these other companies are doing is chasing Apple's wake.
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I have to think they intend at some point soon for an HP iOS competitor to rise from WebOS and differentiate them and allow them a tighter integration between hardware and software (an idea they may have gleaned from Apple maybe? Android will become too generic and at the same time inconsistent with every manufacturer throwing something out there running it. Anything HP is making now is I assume a stop gap. Not a good selling point if true!

to do this. They shutdown the Microsoft version of the slate - you don't see anyone else doing that, except by proxy by going with Android instead of waiting on Redmond to get their version available. The Android + ChromOS is a nasty one/two punch to Msoft's efforts in the handheld space. They NEED a serious winner with Win7 mobile to recover share from Android and fend off the tablet threat of ChromeOS. I see ChromeOS as the contender to beat - they built it against the netbook economies, which translates well to the tablet build, with a decent touch interface.

HP can leverage Palm WebOS for its devices, or select from the Android, ChromeOS or Windows bins as needed. Which will fragment their install base among those choices, but still sell devices. I see them trying to emulate Apple with WebOS though. So they may in fact introduce WebOS with the Palm infrastructure in place to have an ecosystem to drive, but still offer the other OSes as also-builds.
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