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post #121 of 175
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

If you buy movies with the previous Apple TV, they get transfered back to your host computer, right? Why don't you just go to that computer and buy them through iTunes directly? Then you can stream them to the new AppleTV.

The only problem I see with this is you have to get off the couch to make an impulse buy. The solution is simple: either don't make impulse buys of movies, or get off the couch. :-)

Thompson

So I should get the AppleTV so I can wait for a movie to fully download, then sync my iTunes and AppleTV before I can watch it? A process that will take 20 minutes or more. How is that a benefit when with the original AppleTV I can hit 'buy' and start watching the movie in under one minute?

What about the times I want to buy a movie when someone else in the family has taken the laptop? I'm SOL with the new AppleTV.

The original AppleTV was no perfect device but by taking out the internal storage, Apple has severely limited the appeal of it's successor. Thankfully I'm not required to buy this new device to continue enjoying the benefits of AppleTV.
post #122 of 175
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

OOOOOOOOOOOH. I missed that fact earlier. Never mind then. :-)

Given your description now, i.e. that you had an AppleTV talking to the AE (with very little contention) which was connected to (very!) high speed internet, I'm having trouble understanding why streaming the theatrical trailers was giving you so much trouble. This does remind me of an interesting topic. When I initially bought my dual-band AE and set it up, I performed all of these configuration tests and was getting no joy. Ultimately, after days of banging my head against the wall, I took the AE back to the Apple Store and got a replacement (even though they failed to identify a specific problem). Things were better instantly. But I still examined the configurations in order to maximize my use case. :-)

Perhaps either your AE or your ATV are defective somehow?


Thompson

I don't think so. At times the connection is fine. I actually think it is my house and the distance from the Time Capsule to the basement ATV.. wondering if I bought an Airport Express and used it as a access point to extend and strengthen the signal maybe...
post #123 of 175
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

All-

I just got off the phone with an employee at the Apple Store in Tucson AZ. He said that some units of AppleTV had been shipped to them and would be arriving on Friday morning. He didn't know how many units, but he said that a ton of people have called in already and expressed their intent to be there at opening time on Friday. Give your local stores a call if you are interested in picking one up. UPDATE: Just to clarify, there was no way to reserve a unit. These folks are just going there hoping to get one of the N units.

Even with an unannounced store launch of a lower profile product, it's possible that we'll have pandemonium at the Apple Store once again.

Thompson

Update: My information was insufficient. The AppleTV's arrived at my local Apple Store TODAY. I am there right now picking one up.

Thompson
post #124 of 175
I ordered an Apple TV when they were announced and it was delivered today. It was easy to hook up, and it's working well. I hooked the HDMI up to the wall-mounted flatscreen, and an optical cable goes from the flatscreen to my audio equipment.
post #125 of 175
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Yes.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html


System requirements
  • Wi-Fi (802.11 a, b, g, or n) wireless network (wireless video streaming requires 802.11a, g or n) or 10/100BASE-T Ethernet network

I'm sorry, all I see is that it does 802.11n.
Are you saying it says it supports both 2.4 & 5Ghz variants of 802.11n?
post #126 of 175
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Originally Posted by yensid98 View Post

So I should get the AppleTV so I can wait for a movie to fully download, then sync my iTunes and AppleTV before I can watch it? A process that will take 20 minutes or more. How is that a benefit when with the original AppleTV I can hit 'buy' and start watching the movie in under one minute?

Well, now I certainly never called it a benefit. I have felt your pain. But in the grand scheme of things, waiting 20 minutes for something you will be keeping is not that big of deal. If you already have an Apple TV, then it sounds like this new one just isn't right for you.

And, by the way, having a laptop as your main machine is probably frought with much more serious challenges than the one you posed here. I imagine that you are SOL fairly often, when someone in the family takes that thing away, or closes the lid during a sync, etc, etc, etc.

Thompson
post #127 of 175
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Originally Posted by Kishan View Post

No Netflix on legacy AppleTV

wouldn't suprise me if they weren't allowed to implement this because the studios want absolutely no risk of people hacking the legacy ATVs to record the streaming movies? Maybe a strech, but I wouldn't put it past those SOBs!

Often it's the simplir explanation that is true - Netflix already has a no-flash implementation for iOS, and they don't for Mac OSX, which the first gen ATV is based on. Since the first gen ATV is woefully underpowered as it is, a flash based netflix would probably suck.

I expect my first gen ATV to pretty much be used for AirTunes. The glitchy/laggy UI drives me crazy.
post #128 of 175
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

I'm sorry, all I see is that it does 802.11n.
Are you saying it says it supports both 2.4 & 5Ghz variants of 802.11n?

Yes.

As long as it supports the 5 GHz "a" band (802.11a) it will do "n" over the "a" band.

The iPhone 4 doesn't (802.11n 2.4GHz only) because it has no 5 GHz "a" band support.

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post #129 of 175
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

People want local storage because the computer that does streaming is turned off. Apple sells more laptops than desktops so this scenario is applicable to many.

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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

But the real solution, has I said, would be an itunes that run from a netdrive so its always available for anyone in the house and for any devices.

Lala acquisition, large data center in South Carolina, connect dots...
post #130 of 175
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

Got no problem leaving my iMac on, but do I also have to have iTunes open and running with Home share on the whole times as well to acommodate streaming to the new ATV?

Of course. You can also hide iTunes with a command-H.

Or do like I did for my mom - set iTunes to launch hidden in the account system preference/startup items.

Or get an HP Windows Home Server that comes with fully functioning iTunes server out of the box (it even streams protected iTunes content). At $360 on sale and about 40 watts of power with four hard drives it's more economical than running a computer.
post #131 of 175
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Originally Posted by Goldenclaw View Post

Seems like Apple is missing a huge opportunity, especially for $99.

Why are you assuming that the way it is now is all it will ever be?
post #132 of 175
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Go to http://www.apple.com/appletv/. Scroll down to "All Streaming. No Hassle." Read.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's the single biggest thing I am looking forward to. I take lots of pictures, and only being able to show the ones that had synced was maddening! I was constantly having to juggle for space, and if I had someone over that I wanted to show something that wasn't on my ATV I was either SOL, or I had to pick what I wanted, press that $!%#ing syc button and wait... And wait... And wait...

Finally! My entire Aperture library at my fingertips! A photographers wet dream...
post #133 of 175
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Originally Posted by ranger_one View Post

That's far from ideal, and my wife and kids won't even attempt it. It's just way too messy. Very uncharacteristic of Apple.

That's probably why with this ATV it dosen't work that way. That's an obvious and glaring UI deficiency, and even if Apple were trying to force people to rentals i can't see them not addressing it. Not that I think Apple gives two whits about renting vs buying - I'm sure they are working within the constraints of the idiot content providers.
post #134 of 175
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

and the photo background my parents love has to go via MobileMe

Can we please stop spreading this false information? Anything in you iTunes, including pictures, will stream.

I want it more for my content that I already have (including video podcasts) than anything else.
post #135 of 175
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

I don't think so. At times the connection is fine. I actually think it is my house and the distance from the Time Capsule to the basement ATV.. wondering if I bought an Airport Express and used it as a access point to extend and strengthen the signal maybe...

WDS will extend your network, but it halvs your bandwidth

If you can't run Ethernet cable easily, look at systems that run over the power line. Can be double to triple N speeds.
post #136 of 175
too bad windows media center houses apple tv in every category.

can't win them all, steve-o.
post #137 of 175
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Lala acquisition, large data center in South Carolina, connect dots...

And yet... We are still waiting...

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post #138 of 175
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

And yet... We are still waiting...

1) Rome wasn't built in a day

2) no one else has anything but vapor either. Actually, Apple is shipping solutions today. They may not be perfect, but they are shpping. That's better than the majority of their "competitors".
post #139 of 175
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Originally Posted by rtm135 View Post

too bad windows media center houses apple tv in every category.

Except for connecting to the iTunes universe. And seamlessly offering all the media on my computer (Windows or Mac). Don't get me wrong, if I didn't have a Tivo already, I would pick Media Center. Then again, with Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Hulu, etc. my DVR days are (thankfully) coming to an end. I never wanted a DVR - I wanted my shows available to watch when I wanted to watch them, and without ads. That's almost a reality. Poor MS - finally perfecting a tech as it (once again) is obsoleted. They keep getting "Zuned". They still haven't learned to "skate where the puck will be". It must be frustrating to be an Apple competitor - just as you think you have a handle on a market, they go off and re-define it!

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can't win them all, steve-o.

Or in MS and Google's case you can win one and then leverage the cash cow to subsidize unprofitable ventures and claim "victory" via marketshare gained by no profit bundling, two for one specials or creative accounting (*cough*"xboxprofit"*cough*)

At least for a little while, anyway. Eventually even cash cows move on to different pastures. Google really pissed in their mess kit by screwing with Apple on the iPhone. Google's next biggest growth market for advertising was portable devices, and now as they look forward instead of seeing new and open territory, Apple is standing there staring right back at them. I have no doubt Apple will do in mobile advertising what they have done everywhere else - forgo raw market share for the majority of the profit, leaving the dregs for everyone to scrap over. So much for Google's over-inflated stock. A few quarters of flat or reversing growth will start a negative chain reaction.

And what if Apple decides to leverage iAd beyond the mobile market? It won't happen right away, but if they do....

Live by the market, die by the market. I hope Google employees are enjoying their perks while they last - it's going to be the dot bomb all over again. Even if their stock flatlines like MS they are toast - the reason good people have been flocking to them, like MS of old, was the stock options.
post #140 of 175
There is an optical Audio Out jack on the back...see photos from post. Thankfully, my new Denon Reciever has two of these on it. Otherwise i'd be pretty pissed about this change to the ATV, since my Blu-Ray uses optical audio. Now I'm not sure of this, but I though the newer HDMI jacks support Audio as well as video??? Anyone tried this?
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Originally Posted by ajb723 View Post

I just sold my old Apple TV in prep for new model. However, I note there are no audio output jacks on the new model. How do I get my iTunes music to play on my audio system? I use to take the audio output and plug it into my preamp/processor>
post #141 of 175
I have a similar question about that...I'm wondering how much the new ATV can store in the event that Apple updates the iOS on this to support Apps. Anyone know if this will be possible on this device? I'm wondering because if/when I get one of these, I'd like to NOT have to upgrade when Apple does update the iOS. I hate having to buy new hardware every 3 years and would love to avoid this...
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how much flash storage memory and on-board RAM does it have? that will determine how much can be done via jailbreak. has anyone opened it up and looked yet?
post #142 of 175
That's great, but they are still using overseas jobs that could easily be done in the USA...get with it Apple...why not design and build your products in our country. Oh, that's right, because then you'd have to pay them decent wages and benefits. Which would mean the cost of Apple products would probably double. And, of course, no local government is going to deal with suicides on the job like they do in China.
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Yes, but they are designed by Apple in California
post #143 of 175
I totally agree with you here, I was expecting it to come on this device, but sadly it's watered down. However, I've been saying this for years now, but I think there are several reasons why they didn't do this.

1. UI: creating a user interface for the TV (IMO) is something Apple has probably been working with since the first gen ATV, but I don't think they have found a good solution to this. Many people have said maybe the Magic Trackpad (which I think has potential), others have said the Apple Remote App on the iPhone/Touch. Problem is, not everyone has the iPhone/Touch and that would be a pretty costly "accessory" to the ATV. I've also head an iPod Touch-Like remote with a screen/keyboard and touch interface, but at a $99 price-point (which at this point I think was a necessary move for Apple if they wanted to be competitive) I just don't see that kind of technology being included in the cost. Plus, a touch interface remote like this kind of defeats the purpose of the ATV then. You'd be constantly looking down at your remote and not the TV. So I'm sure they are working on it, they just haven't found an adequate solution that also works within the current Apple Ecosystem.

2. If they add the iOS, that would naturally lead you to an Internet Browser, which I don't think Apple wants on this device...yet. Buy adding a browser, you're opening the door to all sorts of free content over the web (i.e. Hulu, Pandora, not to mention all the TV Networks that allow free streaming over the web with commercials). This would seriously eat into Apple profit margins on iTunes downloads. I think they may be holding on this aspect because they are trying very hard to work out deals with the major networks for iTunes streaming. If they can't work out the 99cent downloads, they may have to result to Apps created by major networks (i.e. the ABCtv App that's currently available). This is a stretch, but I think that adding iOS to ATV might also eat into the current markets of the iPod Touch/iPad as well. If you could do everything those devices do on your TV, you might not need that iPad/Touch for home use.
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Originally Posted by frankie View Post

I still don't get why they did;nt use the iOS and make a killing on more apps sold and distributed. Get everyone hooked just like the iphone....Then just have an iTV app on the front.
post #144 of 175
I'm glad you think that, but then why hasn't the HTPC market exploded yet? Oh, that's right, because they cost about 3-6 times that of the new ATV. Plus, unless your'e a serious techy, no grandma is going to buy a HTPC. ATV is so much more accessible to the average user. And could you please clarify what "houses" means?
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Originally Posted by rtm135 View Post

too bad windows media center houses apple tv in every category.

can't win them all, steve-o.
post #145 of 175
Except that Apple was kind of working with an existing technology that already existing with the ATV. Look at the Roku boxes and all the different variations of the Digital Media Players since and before ATV came out. Not to mention all the Blu-Ray players that now can stream content from your computer and use Netflix and YouTube, etc... Now everyone has one and with more features than the ATV currently has. And now the Google TV revolution as well.
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Except for connecting to the iTunes universe. And seamlessly offering all the media on my computer (Windows or Mac). Don't get me wrong, if I didn't have a Tivo already, I would pick Media Center. Then again, with Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Hulu, etc. my DVR days are (thankfully) coming to an end. I never wanted a DVR - I wanted my shows available to watch when I wanted to watch them, and without ads. That's almost a reality. Poor MS - finally perfecting a tech as it (once again) is obsoleted. They keep getting "Zuned". They still haven't learned to "skate where the puck will be". It must be frustrating to be an Apple competitor - just as you think you have a handle on a market, they go off and re-define it!

I have heard nothing of anyone claiming victory on anything. I'd like to see a source for this...
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Or in MS and Google's case you can win one and then leverage the cash cow to subsidize unprofitable ventures and claim "victory" via marketshare gained by no profit bundling, two for one specials or creative accounting (*cough*"xboxprofit"*cough*)

Have you heard of Android? Just sayin'. They may not have the market share of the iPhone but they are very rapidly catching up, so your point is mute here.
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

At least for a little while, anyway. Eventually even cash cows move on to different pastures. Google really pissed in their mess kit by screwing with Apple on the iPhone. Google's next biggest growth market for advertising was portable devices, and now as they look forward instead of seeing new and open territory, Apple is standing there staring right back at them. I have no doubt Apple will do in mobile advertising what they have done everywhere else - forgo raw market share for the majority of the profit, leaving the dregs for everyone to scrap over. So much for Google's over-inflated stock. A few quarters of flat or reversing growth will start a negative chain reaction.

If they do, it will be no different than TV with Ads like it currently is. No different. That's no advantage for Apple. That will only make people think twice about replacing their cable with ATV.
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And what if Apple decides to leverage iAd beyond the mobile market? It won't happen right away, but if they do....
post #146 of 175
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1) Rome wasn't built in a day

2) no one else has anything but vapor either. Actually, Apple is shipping solutions today. They may not be perfect, but they are shpping. That's better than the majority of their "competitors".

Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree 100% with you.

I would just prefer to see Apple leverage all this stuff (that they already have) to be first into that market.

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post #147 of 175
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

I'm sorry, all I see is that it does 802.11n.
Are you saying it says it supports both 2.4 & 5Ghz variants of 802.11n?

Yes, it supports both. I have both 802.11a and 802.11g on my network, and they have two different SSIDs. The new Apple TV gave me an option to connect to either one.
post #148 of 175
It would truly be "magical" if the packaging box is 2.45-inches square, for a product that is 3.9-inches square.
post #149 of 175
Remember it's only 720p, not 1080p. So for those with a large 1080p TV/screen, the picture won't look as clean. But most people with smaller TVs/screens probably won't notice.
post #150 of 175
I just picked one up at my local Apple store.

They didn't even have them out yet, the guy had to go into the back to get one. They literally just got the shipment an hour earlier. Even weirder, they still had four of the old Apple TVs on the shelf.

The box is ridiculously small, even knowing how small it was going to be, I was surprised at the size of the box. Without opening it, he compared one of the new aluminum remotes (like the one inside) to the box itself. Typically, I don't think they could make the packaging any smaller.

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Remember it's only 720p, not 1080p. So for those with a large 1080p TV/screen, the picture won't look as clean. But most people with smaller TVs/screens probably won't notice.

The differences between 720p vs. 1080p is oversold. Even people with larger screens will likely be hardpressed to notice unless they sit way too close to the screen. Far more important is the amount of compression used to get the sizes of the files and streams to be nice and small.

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post #151 of 175
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

I just picked one up at my local Apple store.

They didn't even have them out yet, the guy had to go into the back to get one. They literally just got the shipment an hour earlier. Even weirder, they still had four of the old Apple TVs on the shelf.

The box is ridiculously small, even knowing how small it was going to be, I was surprised at the size of the box. Without opening it, he compared one of the new aluminum remotes (like the one inside) to the box itself. Typically, I don't think they could make the packaging any smaller.


The differences between 720p vs. 1080p is oversold. Even people with larger screens will likely be hardpressed to notice unless they sit way too close to the screen. Far more important is the amount of compression used to get the sizes of the files and streams to be nice and small.

Weird - almost same exact story here in Denver. I called a store last night and they said they would get "some" but didn't know how many. I called a store today before I bothered and they had them but would not confirm the quantity. I got there, no ATVs on the shelf except for 4 of the old 160GB versions. They had to bring one in from the stock room. So this is a very silent store launch...
post #152 of 175
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

There is an optical Audio Out jack on the back...see photos from post. Thankfully, my new Denon Reciever has two of these on it. Otherwise i'd be pretty pissed about this change to the ATV, since my Blu-Ray uses optical audio. Now I'm not sure of this, but I though the newer HDMI jacks support Audio as well as video??? Anyone tried this?

Doesn't your new Denon Receiver have HDMI inputs on it? The majority of devices with HDMI ports on them should transfer audio over them as well, nothing to do with new one jacks. I connect my old ATV, PS3 and DVD player to my received with only HDMI cables.
post #153 of 175
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

The differences between 720p vs. 1080p is oversold. Even people with larger screens will likely be hardpressed to notice unless they sit way too close to the screen. Far more important is the amount of compression used to get the sizes of the files and streams to be nice and small.

Who died and made you in charge of how close people sit to their TV, I can sit as close as I want.
post #154 of 175
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

how much flash storage memory and on-board RAM does it have? that will determine how much can be done via jailbreak. has anyone opened it up and looked yet?

8GB flash/256 ram
post #155 of 175
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

UI: creating a user interface for the TV (IMO) is something Apple has probably been working with since the first gen ATV, but I don't think they have found a good solution to this. Many people have said maybe the Magic Trackpad (which I think has potential), others have said the Apple Remote App on the iPhone/Touch. Problem is, not everyone has the iPhone/Touch and that would be a pretty costly "accessory" to the ATV. I've also head an iPod Touch-Like remote with a screen/keyboard and touch interface, but at a $99 price-point (which at this point I think was a necessary move for Apple if they wanted to be competitive) I just don't see that kind of technology being included in the cost. Plus, a touch interface remote like this kind of defeats the purpose of the ATV then. You'd be constantly looking down at your remote and not the TV. So I'm sure they are working on it, they just haven't found an adequate solution that also works within the current Apple Ecosystem.

I don't think Apple would be worried if they restricted their potential customers to everyone with an iPhone/Touch/iPad - and it would make for a very interesting remote (touch screen, accelerometer, gyroscope, interaction with apps). In fact, they could have marketed the aTV as a peripheral for the iPhone pretty safely. And sold a bundled aTV+iPodTouch.

Already they've opened their gates to some app possibilities - app makers have relative freedom to write an app which is entirely run from the iPhone and passes its video to the aTV. We may be surprised by the number of developers who create apps for the iPhone to control video on the aTV. That paves the way for future hybrid apps that are launched from the iPhone but also run partially on the aTV.
post #156 of 175
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Well, now I certainly never called it a benefit. I have felt your pain. But in the grand scheme of things, waiting 20 minutes for something you will be keeping is not that big of deal. If you already have an Apple TV, then it sounds like this new one just isn't right for you.

And, by the way, having a laptop as your main machine is probably frought with much more serious challenges than the one you posed here. I imagine that you are SOL fairly often, when someone in the family takes that thing away, or closes the lid during a sync, etc, etc, etc.

Thompson

While waiting 20mins isn't the end of the world it's still a step down from the Gen-1 Apple TV. Especially when you bear in mind that in some parts of the world (e.g. where I live) it can take anything up to an hour to download a two hour movie in standard definition. At that rate I might as well go to the Video store, or drive to the movie theatre, or forgot the whole thing altogether and just not watch the movie . . .

It just seems like the Gen-2 Apple TV was released before the content was available. Not enough TV Shows are available for rent and the desire of the major studios to delay rental availability and to even pull the rental option off older movies on a arbitrary basis means you might as well just do all of your renting and purchasing on your computer. At least that way you know you'll be able to see all of the purchase and rental options. It's really frustrating how the Apple TV lets you select a movie only to find out that it isn't available for rent. You then have to get up from your couch, buy it on your computer, wait for it to download and then start watching it up to an hour later. It's just such an inconsistent user experience that it feels like the drive to lower the unit cost and size made them turn it into even more of a niche product than it was before.
post #157 of 175
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Originally Posted by Mobius Entwine View Post

I ordered an Apple TV when they were announced and it was delivered today. It was easy to hook up, and it's working well. I hooked the HDMI up to the wall-mounted flatscreen, and an optical cable goes from the flatscreen to my audio equipment.

doesn't hdmi include audio?? so i need two cables to my hd TV???
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post #158 of 175
I'm just an average consumer who likes to watch movies and tv shows on my 50" HDTV. I have very little if any tech expertise, I can't tell you the difference between IOS and Snow Leopard. But as a consumer I can appreciate the utility and quality or lack thereof of a product after I use it. For example, I instantly realized that my iMac was better than any PC that I had ever owned, later that my iphone was an amazing device, and then that my iPad was indeed a magical product. Today, I received my tv and this evening I streamed via WiFi two movies; one from iTunes and one from Netflix. Streamed from my iMac a rented tv show and a home movie, listened to some songs, and looked at a few of my photos. My computer and Airport Extreme are in my bedroom with the HDTV being in the living room. The tv was easy to configure with my network and my iMac. Everything worked exceptionally well, and as with all Apple products everything worked well together. I was impressed with how fast and crisp images appeared on the large screen as well as the organization and ease of use of the interface.

A few years ago, I owned a Gateway computer and I remember Gateway promoting their Home Entertainment Center for about $7,000. It didn't work, tv at $99 works. I believe Apple has created the platform that is going to rule home entertainment. There will be IOS updates and apps that I can't imagine, but Steve Jobs can and he will implement them. For now I am just as thrilled with tv as I was with my first iMac, my first iPhone and my first iPad!

It's not what they can't do; it's what they can do.
post #159 of 175
Well I was busy last night but I found time to get it hooked up and connected to my trial Netflix account. Just for that functionality, I'm already sold. I watched the "Stones in Exile" movie and part of "Shine a Light" and the picture and sound quality were great. If you've signed up with Netflix, it's definitely worth checking out what you can stream for "free" before you pay to rent from iTunes.

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doesn't hdmi include audio?? so i need two cables to my hd TV???

HDMI does include audio. This is about listening to music from the iTunes library on your computer.

Depending on your setup, if you want to only get audio out of the device into more "traditional" audio equipment you might not have an analog audio output from your HDTV or an optical audio input to your audio receiver/amplifier/etc. (That's why people were linking to a box that will convert optical audio to analog audio signals.)

I, for one, am not too interested in having the flat panel TV turned on just to listen to music. YMMV.

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OK I've noticed that although the new Apple TV is not available in Hong Kong, I can get the 160GB old Apple TV for just US$150.

$50 difference aside, is there any reason to wait for the new version? The old Apple TV will support AirPlay, right?
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