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post #41 of 175
9/29/10 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

Interesting... I have (if all were on at the same time) 8 wireless devices in my house. And normally 3 to 4 on the network at any one time. Can I hook a hard drive to the AE and use as a time machine drive? I know you can hook one and use as a NAS drive. Nothing on the Apple site mentions a time machine drive.

Getting my wife to allow me to spend 180 bucks on a router.... and a hard drive to match... will not be easy... Maybe my TC will take a dive soon.

I was using an AirPort Extreme with a USB drive attached to it as a "poor man's" time machine. Then at some point, when a firmware update arrived for the AirPort, it suddenly stopped working in this way. I had to regress the firmware to get the capability back. Ultimately I decided that I should directly attach my time machine drive to my main computer. Things are more efficient that way anyhow. Most of my other devices don't really need backing up.

My hunch is that if you need remote time machine, you're probably best off getting the "Time Capsule" device instead of cobbling together the capability. Good luck.

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post #42 of 175
9/29/10 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

I actually prefer the older AppleTV. Syncing it makes music and movies, etc available even when the network is running slow, etc.

Is it true that 802.11n slows down to g speeds if there are g devices on the network?

Wireless 'g' is still at least 20Mbps, which will be higher than any media being streamed from a LAN source and should be higher than the internet connection speed. Typical media content will be under 4Mbps data rate.

If you still prefer the old one for 1080p and buying from the device and don't care for Netflix, the new one will at least pull the prices of the old one down dramatically.
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post #43 of 175
9/29/10 at 10:49am
Already covered upthread - I'm too slow commenting today!
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post #44 of 175
9/29/10 at 10:53am
Going to operate snark-free today - comment removed
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post #45 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by fishstick_kitty View Post

I wish the article had more pictures

I wish "The Stripper", by the David Rose Orchestra, was playing in the background, while I looked at the pictures.
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post #46 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:10am
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I just got off the phone with an employee at the Apple Store in Tucson AZ. He said that some units of AppleTV had been shipped to them and would be arriving on Friday morning. He didn't know how many units, but he said that a ton of people have called in already and expressed their intent to be there at opening time on Friday. Give your local stores a call if you are interested in picking one up. UPDATE: Just to clarify, there was no way to reserve a unit. These folks are just going there hoping to get one of the N units.

Even with an unannounced store launch of a lower profile product, it's possible that we'll have pandemonium at the Apple Store once again.

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post #47 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

I don't get it. It's a smaller version of the old AppleTV with no local storage. The Netflix integration is pretty nice. Still need multiple boxes to do everything. I actually prefer the older AppleTV. Syncing it makes music and movies, etc available even when the network is running slow, etc.

Is it true that 802.11n slows down to g speeds if there are g devices on the network? Or does it transfer at the highest speed available between two devices?

I have three g devices on my network (Wii, PS3 and iPod touch 2G), hoping these don't slow down my entire network to g-speed.

G/N dual band routers have independant broadcast. But you could still cap the wired internet connection capacity, especially if you have a PC doing a big download.

imo SJ is right about the old AppleTV storage, its useless. Just store your files a network drive or a PC.

The real solution would be a network itunes server that deserved the whole house. I have one on my D-link DNS323 box but never tried it. Apple should build it up on the time capsule box.
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post #48 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:14am
that's gotta be the fugliest packaging I've ever seen from Apple
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post #49 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:15am


With tv, Apple has created the platform that is going to rule home entertainment.

There will be IOS updates and apps that I can't imagine, but Steve Jobs can and he will implement them.

For now I am thrilled to be receiving my own tv, it's due to arrive today 9/30/10.
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post #50 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by frankie View Post

I still don't get why they did;nt use the iOS and make a killing on more apps sold and distributed. Get everyone hooked just like the iphone....Then just have an iTV app on the front.

It looks like you haven't been reading up on news from MacRumors and AppleInsider in the last 48 hours or so. Apple posted files relating to the OS that is running on the new Apple TV, and the Dev team confirmed it is iOS. Not only this but they (the DevTeam) have already successfully jailbroken it using the same exploit as the iPhone 4.

In addition to it being iOS, Steve also hinted awhile back that Apps might be coming. It seems pretty clear that it will happen, it's just a matter of when. Of course, I am guessing that resourceful users out there will have apps up and running before Apple does it officially.
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post #51 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

It looks like you haven't been reading up on news from MacRumors and AppleInsider in the last 48 hours or so. Apple posted files relating to the OS that is running on the new Apple TV, and the Dev team confirmed it is iOS. Not only this but they (the DevTeam) have already successfully jailbroken it using the same exploit as the iPhone 4.

In addition to it being iOS, Steve also hinted awhile back that Apps might be coming. It seems pretty clear that it will happen, it's just a matter of when. Of course, I am guessing that resourceful users out there will have apps up and running before Apple does it officially.

It's been confirmed to be iOS for even longer than that, I'm surprised people still don't know.
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post #52 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by kisin View Post

that's gotta be the fugliest packaging I've ever seen from Apple

It seems like their normal packaging aesthetic.
What's not to like?
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post #53 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:24am
Does anybody know if Netflix will it work on Apple TV in Canada now that the service has officially landed?

OK - I have the answer to all interested parties - it will.
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post #54 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:26am
So, um.., like, are the Apple sticker decals "Made in China" too?
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post #55 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

I am looking at the 99 dollar Roku box. At least with it, you can add local storage via USB. Unfortunately, it doesn't support AAC, so there goes most of my music. Except that it can be played the old fashioned way... from the cd! [via DVD player]

I really dont get why people want local storage. I had a WDTV with USB and to add something new you had to unplug the drive, plug it into a Pc then wait for the file to copy, then plug it back into the WDTV. Why would you want to do this when you can just stream from the network...

imo local storage is bad files management, files should be on a netdrive with an external USB drive backup that is store OUT of the house (work, family, friends,...). I have two 1TB USB drives with one at work and one at home and I do backup rotations with them.
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post #56 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

A smaller aperture would make for pictures that are in focus.

When do owners of earlier models get NetFlix?

No Netflix on legacy AppleTV

wouldn't suprise me if they weren't allowed to implement this because the studios want absolutely no risk of people hacking the legacy ATVs to record the streaming movies? Maybe a strech, but I wouldn't put it past those SOBs!
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post #57 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

I really dont get why people want local storage. I had a WDTV with USB and to add something new you had to unplug the drive, plug it into a Pc then wait for the file to copy, then plug it back into the WDTV. Why would you want to do this when you can just stream from the network...

People want local storage because the computer that does streaming is turned off. Apple sells more laptops than desktops so this scenario is applicable to many.
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post #58 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Does anybody know if Netflix will it work on Apple TV in Canada now that the service has officially landed?
OK - I have the answer to all interested parties - it will.

Yep, but Canadian movie selection is very very bad. Hope it gets better soon.
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post #59 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

People want local storage because the computer that does streaming is turned off. Apple sells more laptops than desktops so this scenario is applicable to many.

I have an old AppleTV and an iMac and I still dont see your point. The AppleTV will "wake" my iMac whenever I need to stream content from it. You dont NEED to turn off you mac, it will go to sleep on its own and the beauty is the AppleTV can wake it up without you having to go touch the keyboard.

But the real solution, has I said, would be an itunes that run from a netdrive so its always available for anyone in the house and for any devices.

Now if you have a win-garbage Pc than abends half the time when it wakes up thats another story.
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post #60 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

The real solution would be a network itunes server that deserved the whole house. I have one on my D-link DNS323 box but never tried it. Apple should build it up on the time capsule box.

I have over three hundred movies ripped into iTunes, thousands of songs, all of my photos and video footage stored on my main computer, with Home Sharing turned on. This server runs on the 5 GHz band of the AE dual router all by itself. Other devices attach to the 2.4 GHz band and pull info from it that way.

It seems like I could get a number of AppleTV's to place at every TV in the house. I can just store my DVD's in the garage and not have to futz with them anymore. I'm looking forward to an all-digital future.

I wish the studios would get on board with that vision... if they can figure out how to monetize it.

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post #61 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:45am
I just sold my old Apple TV in prep for new model. However, I note there are no audio output jacks on the new model. How do I get my iTunes music to play on my audio system? I use to take the audio output and plug it into my preamp/processor>
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post #62 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

I have an old AppleTV and an iMac and I still dont see your point. The AppleTV will "wake" my iMac whenever I need to stream content from it. You dont NEED to turn off you mac, it will go to sleep on its own and the beauty is the AppleTV can wake it up without you having to go touch the keyboard.

Now if you have a win-garbage Pc than abends half the time when it wakes up thats another story.

I have a Macbook and an old AppleTV does not wake it. Sometimes when streaming movies from the Macbook, the Macbook goes to sleep and the movie stops. I have to wake the computer, quit itunes, start it over. Now I run Caffeine to keep the computer from going to sleep. It's lame but necessary.
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post #63 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:49am
how much flash storage memory and on-board RAM does it have? that will determine how much can be done via jailbreak. has anyone opened it up and looked yet?
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post #64 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

I have over three hundred movies ripped into iTunes, thousands of songs, all of my photos and video footage stored on my main computer, with Home Sharing turned on. This server runs on the 5 GHz band of the AE dual router all by itself. Other devices attach to the 2.4 GHz band and pull info from it that way.

It seems like I could get a number of AppleTV's to place at every TV in the house. I can just store my DVD's in the garage and not have to futz with them anymore. I'm looking forward to an all-digital future.

I wish the studios would get on board with that vision... if they can figure out how to monetize it.

Thompson

Yeah, even for "local storage" it's much better to have a central repository and stream to TVs around the house.
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post #65 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by ajb723 View Post

I just sold my old Apple TV in prep for new model. However, I note there are no audio output jacks on the new model. How do I get my iTunes music to play on my audio system? I use to take the audio output and plug it into my preamp/processor>

The Optical Audio out port.

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post #66 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

I have a Macbook and an old AppleTV does not wake it. Sometimes when streaming movies from the Macbook, the Macbook goes to sleep and the movie stops. I have to wake the computer, quit itunes, start it over. Now I run Caffeine to keep the computer from going to sleep. It's lame but necessary.


Wierd my iMac does no go to sleep when I am streaming. Could it be an OS-X version problem or a setting problem. My iMac is about 1 year old.
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post #67 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

I have over three hundred movies ripped into iTunes, thousands of songs, all of my photos and video footage stored on my main computer, with Home Sharing turned on. This server runs on the 5 GHz band of the AE dual router all by itself. Other devices attach to the 2.4 GHz band and pull info from it that way.

Currently I have the same setup, with all my files on my iMac itunes. But the HD is almost full. I have about 500 movies and TV shows on it and all the physical DvD/BR are in box under the bed. I took me about 6 months to rip everything but I am pretty glad I did.
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post #68 of 175
9/29/10 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Still no firm eta on my order, I wonder when the retail stores will stock them, getting impatient now! Lol

Seems that Apple once again heavily underestimated consumer demand and so are flat on their backs not able to stock up on these.

Still not a bad position for them to be in, just annoying that I ordered mine on September 9th and probably have to wait at least another 2 weeks.

Got my shipping confirmation yesterday for delivery up to or before 4th October. Mind you i ordered mine minutes after Apple announced it on their live streaming event.

You shouldn't be too far away.

Looks good enough to eat.
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post #69 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Put your new AppleTV on the dedicated 5GHZ network if you feel like it's necessary. (FWIW, when streaming from the internet I suspect that your bottleneck will most likely be your internet service to your house, regardless of whether you use 5 GHz or mixed mode 2.4 GHz.)

Then, if you intend on streaming stuff from your computer to the AppleTV, put the computer on the other band in mixed mode. You're really not going to have a lot of competing info streaming about there are you? I can tell you this: any decreased bandwidth your main computer experiences just because it is running on a mixed mode network is going to be better than the guaranteed slowdown you'll get from having both ends of the streaming (computer and AppleTV) riding the same band and hitting it very hard simultaneously.

So, my advice is actually this:

Put your main computer and AppleTV on different bands. Probably doesn't matter which one is on the mixed mode network unless you have other devices that have to be on the mixed mode network and that will stream content to/from your main computer now and then. Then you want the main computer on the 5 GHz network.

Thompson

This logic just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Two wireless devices talking to each other on the 5GHz N Network should not be creating that much "competition for bandwidth" with each other at the same time, but hey it seems to be working for you and I'll try anything given the problems I'm having.

My "Main" computer, an iMac i5 is hard wired, via gigabit ethernet, to a newer Time Capsule that also has a 5GHz and a 2.4GHz wireless networks set up. I use the 2.4 in mixed mode for two PS3s (almost never running), a Wie, (almost never running) and our iPhones (2 iPhone 4s and 1 iPhone 3GS). I use the 5GHz strickly in N mode for a MacBook Pro, a new Mac Mini, and and old ATV. I have given up on watching things like Apple Movie trailers in HD on the ATV because they stream so slow that they start and stop several times during just a 2-3 minute trailer to "buffer" more data. Oh yeah, and the internet connection comming into the house is a 25MBPS FiOS, which is blazing fast on the main computer. A couple of other surrounding wireless networks in the area occasionally show up so I have tried things like using different channels for the network, etc.

I am interested in the new ATV but I would miss being able to sync since streaming has not worked well for me even with the latest gear.
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post #70 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

I don't get it. It's a smaller version of the old AppleTV with no local storage.

But only £99 and made of chocolate. Mind you i hope it's not made of chocolate as it'll melt pretty quickly if my old ATV is anything to go by.

I'm so glad i sold my 40GB ATV when i did, in fact i did it the day AI announced this new device on the back of a rumour. Got £97 off a geezer on Ebay. Ended the auction early when he made the offer and ended up collecting it and paying cash. No Ebay or PayPal fees. What a result.

It's his own fault for not reading AI
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post #71 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

The packaging is uncharacteristically sloppy for Apple.

For $99 it will do
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post #72 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

I have an old AppleTV and an iMac and I still dont see your point. The AppleTV will "wake" my iMac whenever I need to stream content from it. You dont NEED to turn off you mac, it will go to sleep on its own and the beauty is the AppleTV can wake it up without you having to go touch the keyboard.

But the real solution, has I said, would be an itunes that run from a netdrive so its always available for anyone in the house and for any devices.

Now if you have a win-garbage Pc than abends half the time when it wakes up thats another story.

Got no problem leaving my iMac on, but do I also have to have iTunes open and running with Home share on the whole times as well to acommodate streaming to the new ATV?
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post #73 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post


When do owners of earlier models get NetFlix?

There is a $99 upgrade charge.
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post #74 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by kellya74u View Post

So, um.., like, are the Apple sticker decals "Made in China" too?

Yes, but they are designed by Apple in California
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post #75 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

Got no problem leaving my iMac on, but do I also have to have iTunes open and running with Home share on the whole times as well to acommodate streaming to the new ATV?

I would have thought so. Just tried the new iPad remote app and turned on home sharing. Picked up my iTunes library but when i shut iTunes down the app lost connection. I would have thought the new aTV uses the same principle, although i'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination.
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post #76 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:24pm
8GB of storage FTW. That will hold a few apps.
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post #77 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

Got no problem leaving my iMac on, but do I also have to have iTunes open and running with Home share on the whole times as well to acommodate streaming to the new ATV?

Yes.

I just keep iTunes up on my server 24/7. When I walk away, I at least "Hide" the application.

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post #78 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by frankie View Post

I still don't get why they did;nt use the iOS and make a killing on more apps sold and distributed. Get everyone hooked just like the iphone....Then just have an iTV app on the front.

I really wondered about this. Use the iOS, add an accessible USB port, and it opens up a whole new world of apps and gaming. With minimal effort. The only consideration is porting touch screen apps to some kind of controller.

Seems like Apple is missing a huge opportunity, especially for $99.
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post #79 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

I don't get it. It's a smaller version of the old AppleTV with no local storage.

You can download the content to your computer or (soon) to your iPad and stream from those?
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post #80 of 175
9/29/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by ajb723 View Post

I just sold my old Apple TV in prep for new model. However, I note there are no audio output jacks on the new model. How do I get my iTunes music to play on my audio system? I use to take the audio output and plug it into my preamp/processor>

Couldn't you use the TV as a passive audio out device (granted, there's more power consumption).
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