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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

I heard from one person that the iPhone 4 in Finland is priced at US$936, and the N8 at US$650. That doesn't sound competitive to me.

And one phone has extremely limited quantities around the world; the other one? I don't live in Europe, so I don't know how hard it is to get an N8, but I'd be very surprised if there's a serious shortage of them.

The more restricted the supply, the higher the price. It's simple supply and demand. I'm not surprised at such a high iPhone 4 price, at this time. In time, if iPhone 4 availability eases, its Finnish price should go down. We shall see.

[EDIT: I read the post that noted lower phone prices than the levels noted in the quote, or may have always been lower. Nevertheless, what I have written about supply and demand still applies.]
post #42 of 49
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Originally Posted by jahonen View Post

Competitiveness depends on the individual's criterias for what fueature's and functionalities they value and by how muchI guess.

very true
post #43 of 49
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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

And one phone has extremely limited quantities around the world; the other one? I don't live in Europe, so I don't know how hard it is to get an N8, but I'd be very surprised if there's a serious shortage of them.

I don't live there either, but considering they only started shipping them yesterday, I don't think anyone could really say.

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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

The more restricted the supply, the higher the price. It's simple supply and demand. I'm not surprised at such a high iPhone 4 price, at this time. In time, if iPhone 4 availability eases, its Finnish price should go down. We shall see.

This is Apple we are talking about, they usually only change the prices on large currency rate changes. I doubt the iPhone 4 prices will change until the next model is released/announced.
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Originally Posted by jahonen View Post

That wasn't the point was it? One poster seemed to question the 700USD price tag of the iPhone, when jfanning said not everyone can afford a 700USD phone.

Following the original point, these users wouldn't afford the Galaxy S or N8 either, but they could possibly afford the "plasticky Nokia" 5230 (Nuron in the US) touch smartphone for example. Or the even cheaper non-touch phones.

The 700USD phones are nice for us priviledged, not so nice for the rest. Hundreds of millions of people are very thankful for the creaky plasticky phone's. That has nothing to do with competitive pricing, but a lot more with the target markets and the reasons why plasticky phones exist alongside metal and glass phones.

Regs, Jarkko

If you look at the original post, jfanning's response was condescending and gratuitous.


jfanning reworded the OP's post to say what jfanning wanted hin to have said so he could publish the response that he did.

The OP made no reference to cost or affordability -- only the cheapness of the products manufactured, and the difficulty of the UIs. Cheap != low cost!

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Originally Posted by christopher126

AOL, Yahoo, Google, Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, MS, Palm, Nokia, Verizon and Sony had their chance and they chose to sell 'cheap' plastic, creaky, crap with crappy OS's.

Thanks, Apple and thanks to Stevo for making the nerdy engineer produce something usable and worthwhile...

Apparently, jfanning has an agenda because he replied:

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Originally Posted by jfanning

So, what you are saying is, people that can't afford US$700 for a phone, don't deserve to own one?

The appropriate answer to jfanning would be:

No, jfanning-- that's what you are saying!

... notice now that was done without rewording his post!

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post #45 of 49
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

If you look at the original post, jfanning's response was condescending and gratuitous.

no it wasn't, it is you interpretation that it is, if you interpretated it that way, then sorry, you have made a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

jfanning reworded the OP's post to say what jfanning wanted hin to have said so he could publish the response that he did.

I didn't reword something in the way you are saying, I read something, made an interpretation, then preceeded to ask if that is what they meant. Now there has been several replies to my question, yet none from the person I actually asked, they are the only one than confirm or deny if I have interpretated correctly.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Apparently, jfanning has an agenda because he replied:

No agenda, the OP made a statement, I wanted confirmation on that statement, confirmation from the person who made it. Yet they haven't replied, but you did. How can you know what the person meant, unless you have an agenda....

See, two can play at that game.


I was taught at school, at university, and at work, if I was wanting confirmation that I understand something correctly, to reword it how I understand it and ask for confirmation. So what is the issue? Why do you have such agenda against me wanting clarification on something? What is you issue with this situation?
post #46 of 49
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

no it wasn't, it is you interpretation that it is, if you interpretated it that way, then sorry, you have made a mistake.



I didn't reword something in the way you are saying, I read something, made an interpretation, then preceeded to ask if that is what they meant. Now there has been several replies to my question, yet none from the person I actually asked, they are the only one than confirm or deny if I have interpretated correctly.



No agenda, the OP made a statement, I wanted confirmation on that statement, confirmation from the person who made it. Yet they haven't replied, but you did. How can you know what the person meant, unless you have an agenda....

See, two can play at that game.


I was taught at school, at university, and at work, if I was wanting confirmation that I understand something correctly, to reword it how I understand it and ask for confirmation. So what is the issue? Why do you have such agenda against me wanting clarification on something? What is you issue with this situation?

It's quite a mental leap from the OP:
--Criticizing manufacturers for the quality and complexity of their products

to your assumption:
--That he said that people who can't afford a luxury phone don't deserve a phone.


Why go there?

Why do it in such a way as to challenge rather than to confirm?

You didn't reword his statement, you rewrote it -- changing the topic and meaning.


Something like:
-- What should people who can't afford a $700 phone do?

would be more tactful and appropriate for reasoned discussion.


Instead of "asking for confirmation" you were "telling him a different question"!


I don't really have an agenda, except I am retired, enjoy Apple products, am an AAPL shareholder, admire the company, and generally (not always) promote Apple solutions. All of this because I think they are the best solutions available!


I come to these forums to participate in reasoned discussions about the things that interest me.


When someone makes a rude or distracting post, such as yours, I usually ignore it, and move on.

In this case, others were using your post to build upon-- creating further animosity and straying from the topic of this thread:

"Apple will use baseband from CDMA giant for iPhone 5 and iPad 2 - report".


Because of that, I decided to weigh in with my opinion.

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post #47 of 49
The ignore list is a truly wonderful invention.

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post #48 of 49
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

It's quite a mental leap from the OP:
--Criticizing manufacturers for the quality and complexity of their products

to your assumption:
--That he said that people who can't afford a luxury phone don't deserve a phone.


Why go there?

So if someone "goes there", no one else can?

The reason the phones are "cheaper" in quality is due to them being sold cheaper, for people that can't, or don't want to afford expensive phones. If you can't understand that, then that is your issue, so you can get off your high horse now.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I don't really have an agenda, except I am retired, enjoy Apple products, am an AAPL shareholder, admire the company, and generally (not always) promote Apple solutions. All of this because I think they are the best solutions available!

Actually the second you mentioned you were a shareholder you raised your agenda. I don't care what products you own, or recommend to people, but don't claim you are unbiased, when it is clear you are not.
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

The ignore list is a truly wonderful invention.

C.

Especially if you are too childish to enage in a conversion without absuing everyone.
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