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post #41 of 86
9/30/10 at 4:02pm
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Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.

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You know that whole thing about there being no stupid questions? It's not true.

Oh call me stupid instead. I know who won this exchange
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post #42 of 86
9/30/10 at 4:39pm
Google provided an open-source platform that any vendor can pick up and sell it to any number of providers. Apple on the other hand maintains a proprietary iOS for a particular set of hardware than runs on one provider. However, if Apple were able to break into the Verizon market that gap would become quite a bit large IMO -- if Verizon can provide a decent subsidy that is. Which I think is a pretty big reason why iPhone is not on Verizon.
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post #43 of 86
9/30/10 at 4:41pm
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I have a Droid and iPhone (for development) Here is how I see it:

1) If you are a techno geek, you will probably prefer Android. The Rooting ( Same as jailbreaking ) comunity is huge and you can find an hack for just about anything you are looking for....

2) #1 is often necessary because of Google's tendency to release things before they are fully baked. These bug are often serious and take forever to work their way into a new release. For example, the New Froyo (2.2) android update broke the ability for the phone to connect to most infrastructure Wifi systems. It also caused a very annoying distortion to any streaming Audio using the AAC+ codex ( like Pandroa on 3G ). Neither of these bug have been fixed and it will be several months before a new major release... Thank god the rooting comunity have provided some work arounds...

3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.

4) I have been developing an app for both platforms and I really cannot see a hugh advantage of one over the other from a technical point of view. The enviroment for the iPhone is a little easier to use, but the when you hit a wall you are ususally stuck. With android there is usually a way around the wall. The review process is a lot easier on Android (obviously)

5) Syncing video with the Android phones sux.... No other way to put it... You can do anything you like, but it is often a multi step process and you need to understand a lot of subtile video settings...

6) I think Music is a push on the two phones. You can add/delete music and play lists with simple drag and drop on android. You have to use iTunes with the iPhone and quite franky, iTunes is not Apple's best work... ( Just try to point iTunes to a music library on a network drive drive and the "determining gapless playback" stuff will drive you nuts.... )

7) The quality of Video and photos is about even ( on the higher end Androind phones )...

8) Google navigation and Maps on Android is sweet... I know you can do most things on the iPhone, but the integration is better on Android...

9) Android wins voice commands hand down. I am often amazed and how well it works...

10) Until Android broke the infrastructure Wifi I would have given the IT edge to Android, but not now. I would say it is a slight edge for the iPhone right now....

11) Non of this will probably not matter much longer. Verizon is on a mission to kill Androind with locked down phones and putting too much VCrapware on the phones. So far two models are locked down to not allow any of the sweet Google features ( You have to root the phone to use them ) . If anything one thing can stop Andoid, it will be Verizon.....

That is just my opinion based on playing with the devices...

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post #44 of 86
9/30/10 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Nope, not even close... Apple was never in the position to unseat beige PCs sitting in a corporate environment with the Mac. Windows was always good enough for businesses.

I was referring to Apple II's running VisiCalc, that got unseated by the PC.

The point is, today wouldn't be the first time Apple lost a dominant market position to a "good enough" competitor. YES, everyone knows what Apple's box-and-OS formula is, and I'm not going to get into cloning. BUT when you have a leading position that appears threatened, you should be very interested in defending it, and NOT allowing yourself to become a niche player (again).

Unless of course Steve sees smartphones as already passé, hence a real reason for the iPad.
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post #45 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:03pm
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Right, academic researchers make stuff up all the time, their schools love the publicity, puts these guys on the fast track for tenure. Wow, quite the crew that's shown up for this thread.

You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.
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post #46 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

What does that have to do with this thread?

Have you been reading this thread?
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post #47 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

Apple's survival is not in question. But we're talking about a market Apple could have dominated.

Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?


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In Europe the average person has never heard of Android.

In Ireland maybe, but not in the UK. The BBC in its tech news is always flagging up the availability of Apps - so both the iPhone and the Android are mentioned a lot. All the mobile stores really push Android (seeing as they can sell all the iPhones they can get without trying too hard).

You'd have to be rather technophobic not to get the picture that here (1) the iPhone is still king (2) but Apple does have real competition from Android variants (3) those once popular Blackberry emailers are on the wane.
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post #48 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Have you been reading this thread?

The thead is suppose to be about Android closing the gap with the Apple iPhone. So clearly I can read just fine. My point is the fanboys needs to stay on topic becasue they bitch when others go off topic.
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post #49 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:41pm
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Did you really expect apple to take, what? 40%? 45%? 50%? +? of the market with a single model of smartphone?

Look at the smartphones out there. They're all iPhones. They look the same and act the same. Some of them just go by the name Droid and are on a better network (here in the US, that is).
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post #50 of 86
9/30/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.

Well said. Having wife working at local Uni (and some insights at how they write & publish papers), all I can say to your comment is: Bravo!
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post #51 of 86
9/30/10 at 6:35pm
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3) The average user would prefer the iPhone because it is more stable and requires less thechnical skill to operate.

4.1 turned my 3G into a worthless pile of delays. It made the phone practically unusable.
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post #52 of 86
9/30/10 at 6:52pm
Ok, but the iPhone's only on one network.
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post #53 of 86
9/30/10 at 6:53pm
I have to ask.... Does anyone really think that the iPhone is not going to continue to be a huge success???

I am sorry, but I just had to ask this point blank,,,
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post #54 of 86
9/30/10 at 7:40pm
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I have to ask.... Does anyone really think that the iPhone is not going to continue to be a huge success???

I am sorry, but I just had to ask this point blank,,,

The iPhone will continue to be a success and so will Android.
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post #55 of 86
9/30/10 at 7:56pm
So the iPhone 4 is more popular than all Android phones put together? Isn't that kind of not saying much for any particular Android phone?
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post #56 of 86
9/30/10 at 8:15pm
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So the iPhone 4 is more popular than all Android phones put together? Isn't that kind of not saying much for any particular Android phone?

No it isn't saying anything because what needs to be compared is iOS growth and Android grown not hardware vs an OS.

With that being said Android is also gaining on iOS which includes the Touch and iPad. People here talk about iOS growth well Androids growth was 886%. Sorry that just can't be ignored if that number is even remotely close.
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post #57 of 86
9/30/10 at 10:34pm
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With that being said Android is also gaining on iOS which includes the Touch and iPad. People here talk about iOS growth well Androids growth was 886%. Sorry that just can't be ignored if that number is even remotely close.

Hmm. You're talking about fanboy here but you sure just act like one.

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The Android way: Our problems become your problems.

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post #58 of 86
9/30/10 at 10:39pm
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No it isn't saying anything because what needs to be compared is iOS growth and Android grown not hardware vs an OS.

With that being said Android is also gaining on iOS which includes the Touch and iPad. People here talk about iOS growth well Androids growth was 886%. Sorry that just can't be ignored if that number is even remotely close.

Apple has no intention of taking any more than 25% of the smartphone market once everything calms down and everyone has one. All Apple cares about is that it takes its 25% of the market at the top-end.
If you look at PCs 20% (Apple and the hi-end of HP and Dell) of the market captures about 65% of the available profit with all the others fighting for the rest.
Android can grow all it likes as long as most of it is at the lower end of the market - which it is. There are no 10s of millions of sales for the expensive Android phones and they often don't stay expensive for long. The only market dominance Apple really wants is 70-80% of the high end.
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post #59 of 86
9/30/10 at 10:54pm
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In Europe the average person has never heard of Android.

Excuse the pun, but you're comparing apples with oranges.

Here in London, ok it's not really Europe, with hot and cold running water, 3G (and no CDMA!), consumers who go into Carphone Warehouse think hardware - iPhone, Samsung, HTC etc.

The OS is rarely mentioned - which favours iPhone - what's more important is can I get on to Facebook or does it come in pink.

The men in suits, who already have corporate BBs, buy iPhone because their mates have one, they know someone in IT who will provision their work email account, and because when they enter a meeting room they can slide one hardware button and the device goes to silent. Not so with Android. The killer enterprise feature?
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post #60 of 86
10/1/10 at 1:15am
For the record: This world-wide OS stat from Netstat shows the September web share of ALL os'es worldwide. Unsurprisingly Windows is still king of the hill, but mobile OS'es are growing.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper...e.aspx?qprid=8 (Use the back arrow up left to see August stats.)

September: Mac: 5.03% (+ 0.3 from August), iOS: 1.18% (+0.5). Android still with "Other" at 0.24% (+ 0.4). So a bit slower monthwise than iOS - they certainly will have to show a stronger growth to overtake iOS in worldwide installed base. (To see the mobile OS'es only requires a subscription, which I don't have)
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post #61 of 86
10/1/10 at 1:33am
2012 contract or not, if Apple doesn't get out of this exclusivity deal in the next few months it's going to go down as one of the greatest blunders in the history of blown opportunities.

It's a real shame, since it's obvious they put so much work into it, to see others copy so many of their ideas and profit from them. To the point of perhaps becoming the dominant force in mobile. This despite far less innovation and polish.
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post #62 of 86
10/1/10 at 1:42am
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In Europe the average person has never heard of Android.

Maybe they are too busy driving concrete mixers into government buildings?
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post #63 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:52am
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No, extremeskater is not a fanboy, just an angry hater.

Mouse just for once try and act like an adult.
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post #64 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:53am
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Hmm. You're talking about fanboy here but you sure just act like one.

Has nothing to do with being a fanboy Android growth is fact. In fact it was an article here on AI and many other sites. Its not really a secret.
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post #65 of 86
10/1/10 at 7:41am
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What does that have to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing. It's just a certain someone (you know who you are) trying to steer a decent thread back into "lets drag the competition through the mud" mode.
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post #66 of 86
10/1/10 at 7:44am
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Ok, but the iPhone's only on one network.

But is this data for only the US or across the world? I've looked at the actual article and I don't see it said anywhere. Unless I missed it.
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post #67 of 86
10/1/10 at 7:56am
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[snip] because when they enter a meeting room they can slide one hardware button and the device goes to silent. Not so with Android. The killer enterprise feature?

A lot of Android phones have the ability to go into silent mode when it's put screen down.

I know the HTC phones changed the lock screen, but many OEMs that have kept it similar to the stock Android screen have a second slider that you swipe from right to left that will put the phone in vibrate mode.
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post #68 of 86
10/1/10 at 8:35am
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A lot of Android phones have the ability to go into silent mode when it's put screen down.

I know the HTC phones changed the lock screen, but many OEMs that have kept it similar to the stock Android screen have a second slider that you swipe from right to left that will put the phone in vibrate mode.

You are correct. With my Evo instead of moving the slider down you slide up and it goes into slient mode.
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post #69 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:38pm
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Where are all the people on the forum that are 100% sure that Apple doesn't need Verizon?

I don't think they need Verizon. Would it hurt? Heck no. But if Verizon won't drop their attempt to control and suckify their phones then don't expect Apple to ever partner with them with the iPhone.

A friend who was going on and on about how he would never get an iPhone, Android this, Android that, Verizon rules, others suck, etc. blew me away tonight when he started asking me questions about the iPhone and some apps. Between the apps he wants, and Verizon customer service pissing him off for the last time, he decided that the carrier doesn't mean that much after all and that the whole ecosystem of the iPhone is far more valuable.

And the longer Verizon delays, the more people are going to figure that out and the less relevant Verizon will remain. I haven't seen the latest quarterly numbers, but I don't think there has been a quarter since AT&T got the iPhone that Verizon has added more subscribers than AT&T. If Apple offers the iPhone on TMobile (and why wouldn't they) and even Sprint, then any negotiating power Verizon may think they have will be pretty much out the window and I think we might actually see them start to go backwards - stall out in adds for sure.

All the public posturing won't mean squat. I don't think any of this is lost on Verizon or Apple. I think Verizon actually deluded themselves into thinking that they could cause Apple to blink within the first five years. Ha!
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post #70 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:41pm
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But we're talking about a market Apple could have dominated.

Could have?

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post #71 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:49pm
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Could have?


Looks to me like they have taken nearly half the profits with only a few years in this market, yet everyone else struggling to sell handsets have been around for considerably longer.
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post #72 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:52pm
I don't get why people are pulling the "one phone vs. 20 phones" argument on this particular article. The article wasn't about market share, or distribution of phones. It was strictly about consumer's preference. The report shows that customers lost interest in the iPhone from the previous report.
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post #73 of 86
10/1/10 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You have zero clue about how academics works. You really should stop making points that make no sense.

You want him to stop posting?
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post #74 of 86
10/1/10 at 9:05pm
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Could have?


Call me when iOS is growing anywhere close to the rate Android is.
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post #75 of 86
10/2/10 at 5:39am
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Call me when iOS is growing anywhere close to the rate Android is.

1) You think a companies goal isn’t profit, or unit sales, but growth rate? If you really believe that then it would behoove every company in the world to scrap whatever they have and start over constantly because a new product is how you maintain a super high growth rate. IOW, after your first sale, if you want a 1000% growth rate you have to sell 10 more, but if you want to maintain that growth rate you have to sell 100 more, then 1000 more then 10,000 more. So by your focus on growth you are inadvertently stating that a stable long lasting product is pointless. Awesome¡


PS: Call me when you understand how business and economics work.
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post #76 of 86
10/2/10 at 12:19pm
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1) You think a companies goal isnt profit, or unit sales, but growth rate? If you really believe that then it would behoove every company in the world to scrap whatever they have and start over constantly because a new product is how you maintain a super high growth rate. IOW, after your first sale, if you want a 1000% growth rate you have to sell 10 more, but if you want to maintain that growth rate you have to sell 100 more, then 1000 more then 10,000 more. So by your focus on growth you are inadvertently stating that a stable long lasting product is pointless. Awesome¡....

You know this isn't what I think. Why waste our time posting if we are not going to have a serious conversation?

My original point was that Apple will probably not dominate the smartphone market, like they do with the iPod for example. They will probably be the most profitable, but that is not domination. Apple is by far the most profitable computer hardware maker but they certainly don't dominate the PC market.
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post #77 of 86
10/2/10 at 12:28pm
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You know this isn't what I think. Why waste our time posting if we are not going to have a serious conversation?

My original point was that Apple will probably not dominate the smartphone market, like they do with the iPod for example. They will probably be the most profitable, but that is not domination. Apple is by far the most profitable computer hardware maker but they certainly don't dominate the PC market.

So by your measure Q-Tips dominate Blu-ray players. Awesome logic¡

By the way
dominate |ˈdäməˌnāt|
verb [ trans. ]
have a commanding influence on; exercise control over.
be the most important or conspicuous person or thing in.
(of something tall or high) have a commanding position over; overlook. It sure sounds like Apple is dominate to me. Perhaps you need to realize that dominate does not necessarily mean more unit dispersal* of something else and that comparing different business models is why your arguments keep failing.

* Cant really use sales as Android is not sold, but given away freely for anyone to include with their product sales, which just adds to the silliness of saying iPhones are outsold by Android.
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post #78 of 86
10/2/10 at 1:23pm
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So by your measure Q-Tips dominate Blu-ray players. Awesome logic¡

By the way
dominate |ˈdäməˌnāt|
verb [ trans. ]
have a commanding influence on; exercise control over.
be the most important or conspicuous person or thing in.
(of something tall or high) have a commanding position over; overlook. It sure sounds like Apple is dominate to me. Perhaps you need to realize that dominate does not necessarily mean more unit dispersal* of something else and that comparing different business models is why your arguments keep failing.

* Cant really use sales as Android is not sold, but given away freely for anyone to include with their product sales, which just adds to the silliness of saying iPhones are outsold by Android.

So are Q-Tips and Blu-ray players analogous to Android phones and iPhones? Is that your argument? And you side-step my point and give me a definition of dominate. Truly a magnificent post.
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post #79 of 86
10/2/10 at 1:35pm
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So are Q-Tips and Blu-ray players analogous to Android phones and iPhones? Is that your argument? And you side-step my point and give me a definition of dominate. Truly a magnificent post.

1) Its an exaggerated phrase to point out how your silly your statement is. The difference is you think yours is valid as stated.

2) When people bring up your foolishly myopic argument I like to ask them: If Apple is so concerned about mobile or desktop marketshare (because, as you state, its the only measure worth considering units) then why dont they 1) license their OS to any and all vendors (which would make it a more comparable product), and/or 2) make a lot more models that are much, much cheaper to make sure any and all can have access to their devices? Something like Dell and Nokia do.

3) Your statement makes it clear you do not know what dominate means, hence my supplying you with the definition. Youre welcome.
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post #80 of 86
10/2/10 at 1:56pm
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1) Its an exaggerated phrase to point out how your silly your statement is. The difference is you think yours is valid as stated.

2) When people bring up your foolishly myopic argument I like to ask them: If Apple is so concerned about mobile or desktop marketshare (because, as you state, its the only measure worth considering units) then why dont they 1) license their OS to any and all vendors (which would make it a more comparable product), and/or 2) make a lot more models that are much, much cheaper to make sure any and all can have access to their devices? Something like Dell and Nokia do.

3) Your statement makes it clear you do not know what dominate means, hence my supplying you with the definition. Youre welcome.

Here are the arguments I have made over the last few months that have "failed":

1. Apple needs to expand carriers in the US because AT&T sucks for a lot of people, to increase the number of units sold (still at a healthy profit), and head off the threat of Android.

2. If Apple can't produce iPhones fast enough to meet demand, they need to increase manufacturing capacity. Even if their margin is slightly lower than it would have been at the 11 million units, their total profit would increase.

3. If they don't do these things, Apple will fail to dominate. Note the future tense, which was in all of my previous posts, although you conveniently changed it to present tense.

If you can't agree with those above arguments, then enjoy the Kool-Aid. I have never argued that Apple should license iOS. I have never said that only units sold matters, not profit. You keep trying to make it seem like I have said those things, but I have not.

I think the constructive part of any conversation we might have in the future is over. I am going to put you on my ignore list. I would appreciate it if you did the same. I have nothing more to say to you.
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