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I think if you look at the wide view of MS's financials over say twenty years rather than looking at a close up view you would see why share holders are not happy. They are on steep and slippery slope. It is easily explained too. MS have been denied the ability to rip off other's innovations and prevented from playing the bully this last decade and since they never actually originated anything they are simply clueless what to do. Add to that an inertia and post office mentality and a visionless boob of a leader who is too stupid to even know he is a boob. There is no way to prevent the ship eventually sinking and just watch as share holders abandon that ship. Like ice melting this will accelerate.

Well said, its only a matter of time before windows and office alone wont be able to sustain that company.
post #42 of 73
Here's the scary thing, though:

Everyone saw and knew from the start that the Kin would be a total failure, yet Microstupid went ahead with it anyway.

In fact, this is typical of also-rans that attempt to follow Apple, poorly. So in all fairness, MS is just one on a long list of companies that rely on Apple to show them the way forward. The problem is, it doesn't look like anything will change at MS anytime soon.
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Who's laughing now?


I don't get guys like you. Why are you laughing? Ballmer's an idiot, but he's still wealthier than any of us will ever be. Offhand, I'd say he's the one still laughing -- all the way to the bank. If he got fired tomorrow, he'd still have a ton of Microsoft stock and he can retire comfortably for the rest of his life. I wish I could do the same.
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But since you are referring to the ms fanbase, I would wager that most people with half a brain have abandoned it years ago or are begrudgingly using ms products for the lack of alternatives. I also think that they 've grown so defensive for being the butt of jokes for so long (and for a good reason) that they 've grown morose and fail to exert any positive pressure to the company.

I have noticed a considerable shift in the attitude of the former rabid Windows users, Windows IT people and even the general public who were recently from the old school - Apple is a toy, MS rules mantra. Lately it seems like; 'yeah we know, Apple stuff is better but we are stuck with this legacy and we just have to live with it'.

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Stupid fat ass not paying attention to what's going on in the world. No wonder he fucked up...couldn't happen to a better guy

C'mon, that's pretty lame, isn't it?

I mean he's not really that fat....

oh wait.

hehe
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post #46 of 73
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I don't get guys like you. Why are you laughing? Ballmer's an idiot, but he's still wealthier than any of us will ever be. Offhand, I'd say he's the one still laughing -- all the way to the bank. If he got fired tomorrow, he'd still have a ton of Microsoft stock and he can retire comfortably for the rest of his life. I wish I could do the same.

umm OK ....

You want to be baloney (sorry, I had spell checker on the iPhone - stupid thing inserted that instead Ballmer)

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post #47 of 73
just curious about the time frame that mobile device market share is supposed to be developed at MS. Having an annual bonus is fine, but it would seem that it takes a vision that is implemented over 5 years to take significant market share from google or apple. If someone is focused on an annual bonus, are they going to focus on the long term 5-10 year plan that it will take to get into mobile business? And what value can MS bring to the party? It seems a bit crowded now with HP and Nokia adding their intellectual horsepower at the end of this train.
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should have cost him his job.
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just curious about the time frame that mobile device market share is supposed to be developed at MS. Having an annual bonus is fine, but it would seem that it takes a vision that is implemented over 5 years to take significant market share from google or apple. If someone is focused on an annual bonus, are they going to focus on the long term 5-10 year plan that it will take to get into mobile business? And what value can MS bring to the party? It seems a bit crowded now with HP and Nokia adding their intellectual horsepower at the end of this train.

1.) The reduction of his bonus was partially attributed to the stumbling in the mobile sector, not entirely because of it. Other failings in execution caused the compensation committee to trim the payout.

2.) Microsoft is not trying to get into the mobile business. They've been there for a long freakin' time.

3.) The iPhone has been shipping for over three years. Android phones for less. Microsoft doesn't need a 5-10 year plan to correct their mobile business. Not when newcomers can make an impact in a couple of years.

4.) You should stick with baseball, not technology analysis.
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should have cost him his job.

I'm sure it sucks for MS to lose marketshare, but mobile wasn't really a windfall in revenues for them, nor is Bing. If you consider that iOS enables Apple to sell iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch possible, and Android helps Google (in theory, but they don't enforce it) make money in mobile search revenues, what does Windows Mobile do for Microsoft? Apple makes money from hardware, Google makes money from mobile search. What is the value of Windows Mobile (née Windows Phone) to Microsoft? Are they really going to make a lot selling licenses to phone manufacturers at $12-$15 a copy? Is it to make money from Bing searches? Or from the Windows Phone app store? These aren't traditionally big sources of income for Microsoft.

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When it should have cost him his job.

Why the hell is this joker still running the show?

He might have some good photographs
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He still seems to be eating regularly.

Oh that's cruel. But funny non-the-less
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Who's laughing now?


That'll go with him to the grave.
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I'm sure it sucks for MS to lose marketshare, but mobile wasn't really a windfall in revenues for them, nor is Bing. If you consider that iOS enables Apple to sell iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch possible, and Android helps Google (in theory, but they don't enforce it) make money in mobile search revenues, what does Windows Mobile do for Microsoft? Apple makes money from hardware, Google makes money from mobile search. What is the value of Windows Mobile (née Windows Phone) to Microsoft? Are they really going to make a lot selling licenses to phone manufacturers at $12-$15 a copy? Is it to make money from Bing searches? Or from the Windows Phone app store? These aren't traditionally big sources of income for Microsoft.

WP7 is actually like Bing in a way. It's not much of a money spinner but it's of "strategic importance".

If you were to accept the word of tech pundits, then in the coming years high speed wireless internet will be ubiquitous and either our data will exist in the cloud (if you follow Apple), data+applications will exist in the cloud (if you follow Google) or a hybrid will exist (if you believe Microsoft).

So if the goal is to pull a users information and services together across multiple screens and devices then to offer the best user experience a company would need to have control over the software (and in Apple's case: hardware) across those different devices.

So in a round-about way WP7 will help to sell Windows 7 licences to consumers.

Enterprise is somewhat similar. If Microsoft are able to find a compelling way to slot WP7 into their enterprise stack so it looks something like Windows Server (Sharepoint, Exchange etc)\\ Windows \\ Office \\ WP7 then it might reduce the number of companies jumping ship to products like Google Apps, thus in a round-about way WP7 could help to sell Windows Server & Office licences as well.
post #55 of 73
When this forum posts articles which show Microsoft in a negative way, there doesn't seem to be as many MS fanboys in the house defending their corner. Anybody noticed that?

As a Mac user from the early 90's i've absorbed many a verbal volley from the M$ brigade. I found it strangely amusing. Now it's no fun anymore.

Do you think they've now jumped on to the good ship Google?
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post #56 of 73
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I have noticed a considerable shift in the attitude of the former rabid Windows users, Windows IT people and even the general public who were recently from the old school - Apple is a toy, MS rules mantra. Lately it seems like; 'yeah we know, Apple stuff is better but we are stuck with this legacy and we just have to live with it'.

No the moderators are just doing a better job of keeping anything anti-Apple out of the forum.

You are reading copy and pasted articles that all are rewritten to make Apple or Steve Jobs shine.

This forum is a lot like Apple's. Tightly regulated and poorly spell checked and incredibly bad writing.
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WP7 is actually like Bing in a way. It's not much of a money spinner but it's of "strategic importance".

If you were to accept the word of tech pundits, then in the coming years high speed wireless internet will be ubiquitous and either our data will exist in the cloud (if you follow Apple), data+applications will exist in the cloud (if you follow Google) or a hybrid will exist (if you believe Microsoft).

So if the goal is to pull a users information and services together across multiple screens and devices then to offer the best user experience a company would need to have control over the software (and in Apple's case: hardware) across those different devices.

So in a round-about way WP7 will help to sell Windows 7 licences to consumers.

Enterprise is somewhat similar. If Microsoft are able to find a compelling way to slot WP7 into their enterprise stack so it looks something like Windows Server (Sharepoint, Exchange etc)\\ Windows \\ Office \\ WP7 then it might reduce the number of companies jumping ship to products like Google Apps, thus in a round-about way WP7 could help to sell Windows Server & Office licences as well.

So if they're aiming for a corporate "stack" all the way down to mobile/tablet devices (they have had TEN frickin years to do this already), then it seems perhaps they're finally deciding to take the gloves off and manhandle BlackBerry...

Either that or, they cancel Apple's Exchange license/capability ... that'd be evil and anticompetitive but quite effective if they have a good WP7 model for the switcheroo.
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When this forum posts articles which show Microsoft in a negative way, there doesn't seem to be as many MS fanboys in the house defending their corner.

Even fanboys know to get out when the house is burning down.
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post #59 of 73
Unfortunately, he gets the last laugh.

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Yeah, that's my view too, I would really think it would almost impossible for even an incompetent individual to hurt MS's revenues at this stage.

On the other hand you see some colossal errors in the mobile space, and I mean colossal, such strategic errors that anyone in this forum would see: Trying a desktop os strategy on the mobile space, fragmentation of the various os'es, long development times with poor results. What ms should have done instead is, and it doesn't take a genius to come up with this plan, they could have pulled a fast one on both google and apple, open sourced their core mobile os to some extent, put bing there by default, suck the hell up to developers and offer them the best deals for apps and partner up with a couple of major hardware players to provide no more than 2-3 exclusive handsets for MS. Result? You get a large % of the geeks back to your platform, you get exclusive control of hardware so you fine tune your os, you finally get some revenue stream in from ads from bing, you get some devs on your side, you assure compatibility with screen sizes, layouts etc. to better your os, you attract some clout and hype with each handset release, you assume a pretty uniform and stable platform for developers...

Now, how effing hard is for someone to realize this when the apple side has spilled the beans on what a mobile strategy should be, and not this year, nor the year before, but three years ago.

Problem is, you're thinking logically... That would never happen with the current folks leading M$. It would be an admission that Win isn't sufficient to run on everything and that open software is practical and viable. You have sinned. Go repent.
post #61 of 73
There's an initiative in Washington state, 1098, that proposes a state income tax on the wealthy of 5%.

"The ballot measure aims to impose a 5 percent tax on income that exceeds $200,000 for individuals and $400,000 for couples. A 9 percent tax would apply to individuals who earn more than $500,000 and couples who earn more than $1 million."

Bill Gates, father and son, are in favor. Against? Steve Ballmer and Jeff Bezos.
post #62 of 73
MS has been in the mobile business; but for having a very large talent pool of very smart people, they still suck. The head guy doesn't have a clear vision, and if he did, it would take more than a year to implement. But I state the obvious. I'm going back to baseball.
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... Just a short story on how obtuse and resistant to common sense this company is: A long time ago, when I were using their products I was also commenting on the internet explorer dev blog. It had struck me as colossally stupid that cmd + s (or control s in pcs) wouldn't save a page but you would instead have to click on save as which had no shortcut. I mentioned this on the blog and the response I got was that a save function would signify saving the page on the server which couldn't happen, hence only the save as function was enabled which had no shortcut since ctrl + s was for saving. This to me spoke volumes for the mentality of this company.

Interestingly enough, Safari on the Mac also has no "Save" function - only "Save As...", but in a nod to common sense, the keyboard shortcut of cmd-s invokes the save-as function.
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... MS have been denied the ability to rip off other's innovations and prevented from playing the bully this last decade and since they never actually originated anything they are simply clueless what to do...

Exactly! What I don't understand is how soooooo many people on this little planet can't (or refuse to) see that.
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I don't get guys like you. Why are you laughing? Ballmer's an idiot, but he's still wealthier than any of us will ever be. Offhand, I'd say he's the one still laughing -- all the way to the bank. If he got fired tomorrow, he'd still have a ton of Microsoft stock and he can retire comfortably for the rest of his life. I wish I could do the same.

Cause it's not about the money. The bully M$ (not necessarily a particular person) is now the one with the black eye despite the fact they have a boat load of $$$$. Others have been vindicated - not just Apple, but users and lots of other companies that have long used/made better products than M$, but were ridiculed because they didn't buy into the M$ farce. The facade has been wiped away, hence the comment "who's laughing now?"
post #66 of 73
Any other CEO would've gotten fired & literally crucified by his shareholders.

HOW does the most incompetent and unqualified CEO in business history manage to keep his job and get ANY bonus??
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That's the one. I'm sure it will have positive reviews when it ships, and there are die hard Microsoft fans who will wait in (short) lines to buy one at l launch, but 30 million? Hmm, I think that's really ambitious.

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Any other CEO would've gotten fired & literally crucified by his shareholders.

HOW does the most incompetent and unqualified CEO in business history manage to keep his job and get ANY bonus??

Laziness pays off. Sometimes.

Windows + PC boxes. An old, tired paradigm that's dying a slow death. Winblows 7 slowed it down a little more, however. It's like putting a new blade on the axe handle. There's a chainsaw available, but a new blade makes the handle useful again. MS is trying to breathe new life into dying tech. The OS-in-an-ugly-box-of-wires idea still made them money. It doesn't help them innovate, in fact it's holding them back (a lot of things are holding them back, anyway), but it's still a cash cow.

Of course, MS' reliance on this old cash cow has bred monumental laziness in the company. Witness the idiots trying to fit Windows 7 onto a mobile device! Friggin priceless.
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So if they're aiming for a corporate "stack" all the way down to mobile/tablet devices (they have had TEN frickin years to do this already), then it seems perhaps they're finally deciding to take the gloves off and manhandle BlackBerry...

Either that or, they cancel Apple's Exchange license/capability ... that'd be evil and anticompetitive but quite effective if they have a good WP7 model for the switcheroo.

Microsoft want WP7 to be a consumer device as well, but I think it is more of a Blackberry competitor.

The fact that in a version 1 OS Microsoft have built a more business friendly email and document platform than Apple have managed to do in 3 years worth of updates really shows where their strengths lie.

I don't think Microsoft will (or would be allowed to) cancel Apple's Exchange license, but Microsoft are capable of building far better integration into the Windows stack then Apple currently have. I'm not sure if Microsoft will though. They could very well hold onto the dream of building a consumer focused device and totally blow it all.
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I'm surprised he only gets $1.3m a year, I has always just assumed it was a lot more than that.

Well, that's $1,299,999.00 /year more that Jobs gets. I could probably make ends meet on Ballmer's take...
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When this forum posts articles which show Microsoft in a negative way, there doesn't seem to be as many MS fanboys in the house defending their corner. Anybody noticed that?

As a Mac user from the early 90's i've absorbed many a verbal volley from the M$ brigade. I found it strangely amusing. Now it's no fun anymore.

Do you think they've now jumped on to the good ship Google?

That is exactly where they have gone. At least that is where my friends who used to get it on with me about apple vs microsoft. Now that they have android phones they try to tell me how much better they are than iphones. The end result is that we don't bother arguing over mac vs pc anymore as they've finally accepted macs as a real competitor. On that front they merely point to price and say they are too expensive.

I really think microsoft is in danger of permanently losing its a large chunk fanboys to google (or apple as many probably "saw the light" via iphone).
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

And why did he he get the other half for? The 345 groundbreaking kids phones sold?

Umm.. for the record breaking 62.5 billion dollars of revenue maybe?
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Umm.. for the record breaking 62.5 billion dollars of revenue maybe?

And next year, they can break another record with $62.6 billion in revenue. Pop the champaign corks and give the man a bonus. Top corporate execs get their slice for not going backwards, and often, even for losing money. It's a totally rigged game.
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