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What amazes me is that everyone is talking about cloud computing and some people still want external HDD for portable devices. I have two external HDD and several flash drives that I haven't used for years now. I have work files stored in my MobileMe iDisk and DB just incase. I can access them from everywhere. But I guess some people just like moving backward.

Despite all the press on cloud computing, businesses are not all eager to turn over their confidential data to the cloud. Did you happen to notice the FBI's request to Congress this week? They want a backdoor password to encrypted cloud data. Once the door exists, hackers will surely try to open it.
post #42 of 114
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Originally Posted by randyhyde@me.com View Post

Printer, definitely
Game pad, certainly
MIDI controller
Control surfaces
High-end audio devices ( for recording)
Mass-storage devices.

Lest you claim that these devices wouldn't work without appropriate software, I would pointing that no one will write the software until the port exists.

BTW, I'd be perfectly happy with a dongle or cable solution, though having the port built in would encourage hardware and software developers.

I don't want a USB port on the device (actually, I have one in the form of the camera connection kit), but I do have some of these use cases. Given the iPad's mobility, however, plugging it in isn't ideal. Who wants to use it with a cord attached? Instead:

Printer -- over Wi-Fi.
Game pad -- would rather touch it
MIDI controller -- would rather use Bluetooth or Wi-fi, but audio people are latency sensitive so okay, this is a good USB use
Control surfaces -- ??? Not sure what this means? I just touch the thing.
High-end audio devices -- AirPlay over BT/Wi-fi.
Mass-storage -- Wi-fi.
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post #43 of 114
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Originally Posted by CIM View Post

Go away, troll.

Those were all valid complaints from a guy whop sounds like he owns one. Jackass.
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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

honestly, it is neat, but has alot of improvement to make

1- needs USB input and output
2- needs SD card slot
3- needs camera like iphone on both sides.
4- needs full FLASH compatibility, i am time and time again frustrated with the inability for many websites to be functional on it.
5- better system memory size, lots of websites with pics crash under the load of memory.
6- needs more cellular provider option, why just ATT in usa? let others service it.

This is a nifty gizmo, but clearly has tons of room for improvement

1 & 2- already exist - kind of. http://www.usbfever.com/index_eprodu...oducts_id=2028
3- Yes and I am sure rev2 will have that
4- wont happen - at least not for a while.
5- rev2 will at least double the memory, is my bet
6- yawn... not thatI disagree but it must be the most discussed subject here
post #45 of 114
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I think it will draw the battery down. Remember that USB supplies the power to the item it is attached to, in many instances. I am certain that the batteries are designed for a certain output, so they may ( yes, that waffle word) have to be larger to handle the potential power draw.

Have you ever heard of a netbook? They run off small batteries for long periods and have USB ports.
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Soa bunch of iPad owners are Luddites? Weird.

What are you talking about?
post #47 of 114
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Soa bunch of iPad owners are Luddites? Weird.

Wanting to use USB makes a person a Luddite? WOW! lay off the drugs, you are WAY out of touch with reality.
post #48 of 114
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

What are you talking about?

Some people want to stick to USB even though there are better solutions available. AirPrint and AirPlay, for example, will make USB unnecessary on the iPad.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Those were all valid complaints from a guy whop sounds like he owns one. Jackass.

Sure he does. And he just happens to make a whine list identical to iPad hating trolls purely by coincidence…
post #50 of 114
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Originally Posted by jbro1999 View Post

The way it looks. I don't want that on the side. You add that then someone will want more and more. Less is more.

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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

Despite all the press on cloud computing, businesses are not all eager to turn over their confidential data to the cloud. Did you happen to notice the FBI's request to Congress this week? They want a backdoor password to encrypted cloud data. Once the door exists, hackers will surely try to open it.

Businesses can develop their own internal iPad/iPhone apps that can securely access their own data on their own servers. Having a physical HDD is not much secure either. If someone want your data they could get it.

We are talking about having a USB on a portable device because people want to carry around external HDD!! are you serious?! Many are complaining that the iPad is heavy already. There are alternative and they work much better than HDD.
post #52 of 114
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Some people want to stick to USB even though there are better solutions available. AirPrint and AirPlay, for example, will make USB unnecessary on the iPad.

Yes because wherever I go with my iPad, I will find everyone else supporting AirPrint and AirPlay and the non existant AirFile. Yeah right. If you never leave your own house or office maybe, but if you actually go out and about with your mobile tablet you may find a reason to interface with non-apple products. Just maybe.

I can't wait to see your opinion change when the next iPad has USB and Steve spends 45 minutes on stage displaying a sample of the new things a few developers have done with USB.
post #53 of 114
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Originally Posted by randyhyde@me.com View Post

Printer, definitely
Game pad, certainly
MIDI controller
Control surfaces
High-end audio devices ( for recording)
Mass-storage devices.

Lest you claim that these devices wouldn't work without appropriate software, I would pointing that no one will write the software until the port exists.

BTW, I'd be perfectly happy with a dongle or cable solution, though having the port built in would encourage hardware and software developers.

A lot of those can be accomplished by going through the dock connector cable. USB is supported by the dock connector. The port needed for a gamepad or a midi controller is right there...

USB printing would require Apple's support, so a USB port wouldn't help you get those anyway (it could also be done through the dock connector if apple wanted).

PS: A dongle already exists, so you should be perfectly happy with the limited software support it has.
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post #54 of 114
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Businesses can develop their own internal iPad/iPhone apps that can securely access their own data on their own servers. Having a physical HDD is not much secure either. If someone want your data they could get it.

We are talking about having a USB on a portable device because people want to carry around external HDD!! are you serious?! Many are complaining that the iPad is heavy already. There are alternative and they work much better.

I go to a client, client has lots of data he wants me to have. Stuff he does not want to email or store in "the cloud". I pull out netbook/tablet, he pulls out external drive with data. I plug in and transfer data to my device, then unplug. I go back to office, copy data from modile device to my server. This happens ALL THE TIME in many fields. No matter how cutting edge you are, you often have to deal with the rest of the world, so the "better" alternatives are neither better nor even an option.
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"Early adopters, like iPad owners, follow a traditional pattern of consumer behavior; they purchase products because they want them, not because they need them," Baker said. "However, as Apple increases iPad distribution and consumer interest peaks, the profile of an iPad owner is much more likely to mirror the overall tech population. When that does happen other tech products with similar usage profiles as the iPad, such as notebooks, netbooks, and e-readers will come under increased pressure from the iPad."

Emphasis mine!

I wonder how much of the converse is true:

Early adopters, like iPad owners, follow a traditional pattern of consumer behavior; they purchase products because they need them, not because they want them,

It could be that "later adapters" have less compelling needs and, therefore, take longer to justify their purchase.

It is difficult to tell with a device priced at $499 -- for some, this will inexpensive enough to be an impulsive purchase.

I bought 2 on announce day -- here are some of the things that led to the purchase:

-- I am an iOS developer and want to write apps for it
-- I have 3 grandkids who lug around 12-18 lb backpacks of school books - 'Nuff said!
-- I considered it a revolutionary new product category and wanted to support the concept
-- I am an AAPL shareholder
-- my 14-year-old granddaughter was about to enter High School and we wanted her to decide between the iPad and a laptop
-- I saw a potential for on-the-spot film clip editing at the grandkids soccer games

-- like someone said: "Steve had me at scroll".

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post #56 of 114
My biggest issue is Safari. Say I start a post, write a few lines and I decide to double check something I'm about to say, so I open another Safari window and look it up. I switch back to my post and Safari reloads the page and the post window is cleared of any entered text.

Safari also doesn't work well with at least vbb and maybe several other common forum programs, you can't scroll within the posting window, it's easy to type past the given window and not be able to see what I'm typing.

So if I want to say anything, I ditch the iPad and pull out my notebook.
post #57 of 114
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My biggest issue is Safari. Say I start a post, write a few lines and I decide to double check something I'm about to say, so I open another Safari window and look it up. I switch back to my post and Safari reloads the page and the post window is cleared of any entered text.

This is still a problem even the 4.2 beta doesn't solve it. However, sometimes when I go back to Safari the page doesn't reload!

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Safari also doesn't work well with at least vbb and maybe several other common forum programs, you can't scroll within the posting window, it's easy to type past the given window and not be able to see what I'm typing.

There is a trick. Scroll inside the window with two fingers instead of one
post #58 of 114
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

I go to a client, client has lots of data he wants me to have. Stuff he does not want to email or store in "the cloud". I pull out netbook/tablet, he pulls out external drive with data. I plug in and transfer data to my device, then unplug. I go back to office, copy data from modile device to my server. This happens ALL THE TIME in many fields. No matter how cutting edge you are, you often have to deal with the rest of the world, so the "better" alternatives are neither better nor even an option.

The iPad is not all purpose device. It is designed to not replace anything and Apple made it clear. They didn't put a USB port on the iPad and when you went to the meeting the USB port disappeared. I have an iPad and MBP and each does some things better than the other. Sure, in some situations the iPad will not replace a laptop. A portable device for reading books, browsing the internet, watching movies, playing games.. etc is not the best choice when you go to meetings expecting to transfer large amount of data. It is that simple. Having a USB port on the iPad won't make the device better but it will make people think that can do more but they can't.

If you can't engage in a civilized discussion maybe you should not reply to other posters.
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Originally Posted by CIM View Post

Some people want to stick to USB even though there are better solutions available. AirPrint and AirPlay, for example, will make USB unnecessary on the iPad.

Which hardly makes them Luddites. If they insisted on floppy drives, then sure.
post #60 of 114
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Originally Posted by zindako View Post

I use my iPad everyday.

Me too...like, a lot! And I am finding more and more time for it.

USB? Not missing it. Printing? Would be nice if it's done right and by that I mean accessing any printer on my network. Multitasking? It's ok, but I don't really need it as long as pandora, Skype, etc, work in the background, I don't need that double-tapping stuff. I use it on the iPhone but if it went away, it would not bother me. I got my iPad in August so I don't consider myself a true early adopter. My biggest problem is finding time to explore new apps. All apps should come in a lite or at least a crippled demo version to try outl. I think it would increase sales in the long run.
post #61 of 114
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The NPD Group revealed this week that customers who bought an iPad at launch are extremely satisfied with the device and use it quite often, but more recent purchasers are less active with their tablet.

What I would really love to see on my iPad and iPhone is the ability to stream music from my computer to those devices - without jailbreaking or using some workaround.

The Remote App would be perfect if it had an option for the speakers to be: "iPhone" or "iPad"

I stream videos using Air Video Server and it works great. Not having audio is a bit of a drag.

Streaming photos from iPhoto or Aperture would also be great.

I need the streaming capabilities as my media/photos total over 500GB.
post #62 of 114
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

The USB thing is so stupid. What do people expect they'd to be able to plug into it if there was a USB port? Mouse? Printer? Scanner? Gamepad? Even if it had a USB port, 99% of the things you'd try to plug into it wouldn't work or make any sense.

I don't know - loading pictures off a camera without buying a separate adapter? I don't think that's too much to ask.
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I think people who bought the iPad in the beginning really needed it and people who buy it now have to much money or seen it in the hands of real users and also wanted one without knowing what they are going to use it for.
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What I would really love to see on my iPad and iPhone is the ability to stream music from my computer to those devices - without jailbreaking or using some workaround.

The Remote App would be perfect if it had an option for the speakers to be: "iPhone" or "iPad"

I stream videos using Air Video Server and it works great. Not having audio is a bit of a drag.

Streaming photos from iPhoto or Aperture would also be great.

I need the streaming capabilities as my media/photos total over 500GB.

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My biggest issue is Safari. Say I start a post, write a few lines and I decide to double check something I'm about to say, so I open another Safari window and look it up. I switch back to my post and Safari reloads the page and the post window is cleared of any entered text.

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This is still a problem even the 4.2 beta doesn't solve it. However, sometimes when I go back to Safari the page doesn't reload!

There are a couple of things Apple could do to fix this:

1) Smart Safari -- if you've modified anything on a page, save a clipboard image of the page area modified. Then reload it on return to that page.

2) Implement a multi-level clipboard system wide, combined with the above:
-- Start a reply to a post
-- leave Safari for another app, or access another Safari page: above is auto saved to the clipboard.
-- in another app or page you copy/paste to a new clipboard entry or directly into an existing clipboard entity
-- and just go "waltzing off to Withywindel"


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post #66 of 114
Amazing how many people don't know shit. Do your research, people. You just love hating on things you don't understand.
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Originally Posted by randyhyde@me.com View Post

Printer, definitely
Game pad, certainly
MIDI controller
Control surfaces
High-end audio devices ( for recording)
Mass-storage devices.

Lest you claim that these devices wouldn't work without appropriate software, I would pointing that no one will write the software until the port exists.

BTW, I'd be perfectly happy with a dongle or cable solution, though having the port built in would encourage hardware and software developers.

It would be difficult, at best, to hold the iPad and use the devices you list at the same time. If you add the devices you list it would sort of go against the whole premise for iPad's existence which is simplicity of use (KISS) and portability. To do what you appear to want to, wouldn't you be better off with a more traditional computer?

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It would be difficult, at best, to hold the iPad and use the devices you list at the same time. If you add the devices you list it would sort of go against the whole premise for iPad's existence which is simplicity of use (KISS) and portability. To do what you appear to want to, wouldn't you be better off with a more traditional computer?

Lighting or sound equipment control is niche stuff, but it would be very interesting. For those uses, you'd probably have a special cradle or even a dedicated iPad. I know of one organization that was thinking of installing iPads into walls for room controls and communications. I don't know the specifics though. They decided to use some other, more expensive product with smaller screens for reasons unknown to me.
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Congrats, you won the precious idiot of the month award. And it's only the 1st day of Nov.

LOLz. It's October. Not ragging on you or anything but it just didn't come off...with the wrong month there.
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businesses are not all eager to turn over their confidential data to the cloud.

Whilst this may be true, I would posit that one of the reasons the iPad has been picked up by enterprise is specifically for the lack of features/gripes the consumers/trolls (!) seem to be mentioning.

When talking about "cloud computing" and the enterprise, this is really a misnomer, as yes, there are equivalents - called "intranets" and "servers", but no, no sensible company would use dropbox or google, of course not. The concept of remote data storage and access is really not a new one, and terms like "the cloud" just muddy the waters.

For one, the lack of cameras has been a breath of fresh air o the security-conscious who have been disallowing iPhones and their ilk for some time. The lack of USB, file system and great web-based support have similarly limited one of the biggest security threats in the enterprise - USB thumb/flash drives containing sensitive data. Of course, it could be emailed or copied somehow (although most enterprises have custom apps that link into their intranet instead of websites), but these activities are much easier to log and track.
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

The USB thing is so stupid. What do people expect they'd to be able to plug into it if there was a USB port? Mouse? Printer? Scanner? Gamepad? Even if it had a USB port, 99% of the things you'd try to plug into it wouldn't work or make any sense.

The only thing I can think of is a USB memory card reader or memory stick for copying files in and out of the thing. But I am just guessing. I don't know what the 51% surveyed was thinking. I do sometimes wish I could move pictures taken from my iPhone to my iPad so I could do some editing, but that is a slippery slope: I'll soon want to do the same for video, etc. Pretty soon, you're talking about syncing between iPhone and iPad. Syncing between iOS devices you own is possible today, but you have to have iTunes running on a computer.

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Congrats, you won the precious idiot of the month award. And it's only the 1st day of Nov.

Yeah, Im the idiot
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Soa bunch of iPad owners are Luddites? Weird.

I think they explained that if you are predisposed to really using a new category of device like the iPad, you are more likely to buy it during the first two months.

Don't forget that a majority of iPad users surveyed who bought their device later were still "very satisfied" with it.

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Try StreamToMe / ServeToMe -- love it!

Hi Dick,

I looked at the info for it but saw no mention of it playing back mp3 or aac files. Does it do this for you? If it does, that would do.

Thanks.
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My biggest issue is Safari. Say I start a post, write a few lines and I decide to double check something I'm about to say, so I open another Safari window and look it up. I switch back to my post and Safari reloads the page and the post window is cleared of any entered text.

I can’t believe this still isnt’ resolved. If you don’t recall, that is the primary reason I returned it.

And here is a very detail article on the odd page limit cache size for the iPad, and only the iPad which apparently is the cause for all these issues.

http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/06/...-cache-limits/
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This is still a problem even the 4.2 beta doesn't solve it. However, sometimes when I go back to Safari the page doesn't reload!

Nuts!


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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

There are a couple of things Apple could do to fix this:

1) Smart Safari -- if you've modified anything on a page, save a clipboard image of the page area modified. Then reload it on return to that page.

2) Implement a multi-level clipboard system wide, combined with the above:
-- Start a reply to a post
-- leave Safari for another app, or access another Safari page: above is auto saved to the clipboard.
-- in another app or page you copy/paste to a new clipboard entry or directly into an existing clipboard entity
-- and just go "waltzing off to Withywindel"

Or use a 3rd-party browser which is what I’ll be doing.
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post #76 of 114
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

The USB thing is so stupid. What do people expect they'd to be able to plug into it if there was a USB port? Mouse? Printer? Scanner? Gamepad? Even if it had a USB port, 99% of the things you'd try to plug into it wouldn't work or make any sense.

Stating the bleeding obvious but I imagine most would like to plug a digital camera directly into their iPads to view/download photos and videos.
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Some people want to stick to USB even though there are better solutions available. AirPrint and AirPlay, for example, will make USB unnecessary on the iPad.

I can't wait to see your opinion change when the next iPad has USB and Steve spends 45 minutes on stage displaying a sample of the new things a few developers have done with USB.

For example: There's a local sub shop that still, over forty years after it opened, doesn't accept credit cards (cash only). Say it wants to start taking plastic at some point. I've been thinking of how to implement that with iPads as replacement cash registers. (The iPads would allow the shop to write a custom, private app to show cashiers any online orders coming in, if they wish to implement such a system.)

As far as I know, you'd need the following equipment at each register (there are two):

1. iPad
2. Dock with built-in keyboard
3. Receipt printer
4. Manual money tray
5. Countertop credit card device with user-visible capacitive display, to show purchases made and a place for signatures
6. NFC-based iPhone payment device (optional; may be built into credit card device)

AirPrint could connect the receipt printer, but not the credit card machine. That would require a USB port.

(No, I don't work for the shop.)
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

So, all you anti-USB Steve worshipers, please explain to the 51% who want it,

HOW WILL ADDING USB PORTS HURT THE PRODUCT FOR THOSE WHO DONT WANT THEM?

I am not anti-usb at all. I don't care if they put one in or not.
What I don't understand is why would someone buy an iPad knowing that it does not have a USB port or other functions and complain?
People joked about it being a large iPod touch but I knew that was exactly what I wanted since I bought my first 2gen iPod touch 2 years ago.

Personally i would have just waited until the other tablets come out this year. But considering the top secret battery info left out of the specs for these devices I assume that the battery life must be really bad or the same as a notebook.
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the usb thing is so stupid. What do people expect they'd to be able to plug into it if there was a usb port? Mouse? Printer? Scanner? Gamepad? Even if it had a usb port, 99% of the things you'd try to plug into it wouldn't work or make any sense.


storage ?
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Imagine what percentage of eventual buyers of Microsoft tablets, or HP tablets will be "satisfied"... it could get ugly.

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