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Poll Results: Are your views on European influences mostly positive or negative?

 
  • 70% (7)
    Positive.
  • 0% (0)
    Negative.
  • 30% (3)
    Don't know.
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post #41 of 143
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Now they are really going to get mad.

UPDATE:

The French Senate has passed a controversial pension reform bill, which has caused a series of strikes and protests around France.

Gotta love the French - Neo-Nazis get second in the polls, ghettos outside Paris, wars, murders, French 'culture' stinking like a 10-month old moules marineiere and the only thing that gets them protesting is 2 years onto a retirement age that is 5-7 years lower than anywhere else in Europe.
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post #42 of 143
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Gotta love the French - Neo-Nazis get second in the polls, ghettos outside Paris, wars, murders, French 'culture' stinking like a 10-month old moules marineiere and the only thing that gets them protesting is 2 years onto a retirement age that is 5-7 years lower than anywhere else in Europe.

Could be worse, try Social Security in the US.

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post #43 of 143

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #44 of 143
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Don't worry...the Tea Party are working on it.
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post #45 of 143
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Don't worry...the Tea Party are working on it.

Quoted for future reference. We don't want all the fearmongering to be edited away in the future. You might become like Jimmac with his elections have consequences and Republicans are now a regional party that won't see a majority or win an election for a generation "cycles" predictions that he now all conveniently forgotten.

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post #46 of 143
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Quoted for future reference. We don't want all the fearmongering to be edited away in the future. You might become like Jimmac with his elections have consequences and Republicans are now a regional party that won't see a majority or win an election for a generation "cycles" predictions that he now all conveniently forgotten.

I'm proud to stick by it....I'd say it would make me look like Nostradamus but I think the rising tsunami of hate and bile is fairly obvious to all and sundry already.
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post #47 of 143
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France and the UK join forces! (and this under a Tory PM)

"David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy adopted a notably different tone as they both hailed a landmark 50-year Anglo-French treaty on defence and security, including a shared aircraft carrier group, a 10,000-strong joint expeditionary force and development of joint nuclear testing facilities."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ence-agreement
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post #48 of 143
Kosovo faces first major political test since independence
The Kosovo parliament overwhelming passed a vote of no confidence in the government today, setting the stage for early elections and political realignment.
By Robert Marquand, Staff writer / November 2, 2010

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Kosovo is faced with having to rebuild its young government after the nation's ruling coalition today received a "no confidence vote. That triggers snap elections in December, the first since the Balkan state declared independence in 2008.

The Kosovo assembly voted to disband itself in a 66-1 vote.

The crisis was set in motion when Prime Minister Hashim Thacis main coalition partner, former President Fatmir Sejdiu's Democratic League of Kosovo, or LDK, quit the 120-member assembly. Mr. Sejdiu left office Sept. 27 after a constitutional court, which included US, Bulgarian, and Portuguese judges, voted that he could not simultaneously serve as his political party's president. His party did not show up to vote today....

A number of new parties are expected to join the elections scheduled for Dec. 12 and will challenge an electorate that has soured on government corruption.

This is the end of a discredited government that has literally brought itself down with a lack of proper development for the country, says Ilir Deda, head of the New Spirit Party. We now find a climate for change has been created, and the December vote will show where we are headed for the next decade.

Kosovo declared independence in 2008 under considerable controversy and strain and Serbia has steadily challenged that declaration even as the US and 22 of 27 EU members have recognized it.

Last summer the World Court at the Hague said Kosovos declaration was legal; and in September Serbia agreed to stop contesting Kosovos status at the United Nations. (Last week the EU in Brussels signaled the first clear green light for Serbias accession to the EU.)....
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post #49 of 143
Tuition fees increasing to £9,000
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education correspondent

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Universities in England will be able to charge tuition fees of up to £9,000 per year, as the government transfers much of the cost of courses from the state to students.

Fees will rise to £6,000 - with an upper tier of £9,000, if universities ensure access for poorer students.....
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post #50 of 143
What Do We Want? F**K You! When Do We Want It? Now!

European "civility" on full display?

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post #51 of 143
Sarkozy Appoints a More Rightist Cabinet in Reshuffle

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PARIS President Nicolas Sarkozy of France reappointed François Fillon the countrys prime minister and named a new, more rightist cabinet on Sunday, a day after Mr. Fillon and the previous government resigned....

With Mr. Sarkozys poll ratings at record lows 18 months before the next presidential election, the cabinet reshuffle is intended to re-energize and reunite the governing center-right party, to put together a more politically coherent group that can push through budget cuts and other changes.

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Last summer Mr. Sarkozy showed a clear rightward shift in government policies, especially on law and order, and on immigration. There were campaigns against criminality among immigrant youth in the poorer banlieues, or suburbs; orders to the police to break up illegal encampments of Roma and traveling people; and a move to deport Romanian and Bulgarian Roma who had overstayed their visas in France.

Mr. Sarkozy also won a major victory by pushing through a change in the pension law that showed voters and the financial markets that he would make difficult and unpopular decisions in an effort to reduce government deficits.

Traditionally a major cabinet reshuffle occurs midway through the five-year presidential term, but Mr. Sarkozy decided to wait until he could sign the new pension changes, which set off weeks of demonstrations and strikes, into law. He also broke with tradition by reappointing Mr. Fillon, who is popular inside the party and whose national favorability ratings are higher than the presidents.
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post #52 of 143
Portugal needs help too.

Seems like the continent is broke.

Round 2 for you.


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The country's deficit last year stood at 15.4% of its annual economic output, said Eurostat, the European Union's statistics office.

This is higher than the 13.6% figure reported in April.

Due to the revision, Greece said its 2010 deficit would only be cut to 9.4%, not its earlier target of 7.8%.

It comes as Athens is continuing efforts to reduce the deficit through austerity measures that have sparked protests from workers.

The Greek government is also being visited by EU and International Monetary Fund officials on Monday, who will decide whether to release more funds.

Greece is seeking the third part of its 110bn-euros ($150bn; £93bn) rescue deal, which was arranged in May.

How long can the world play this game where everyone is rich because there's a printing press.

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post #53 of 143
Eurozone facing 'survival crisis'

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The European Union is in a "survival crisis" over eurozone debt problems, the EU Council president has warned.
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post #54 of 143
Irish Republic to get bail-out loan, says central ban

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Irish Central Bank governor Patrick Honohan has said he expects the Irish Republic to accept a "very substantial loan" as part of an EU-backed bail-out.

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post #55 of 143
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"The NHS is the only health system in the industrialised world where wealth does not determine access to care – providing the most widely accessible treatments at low cost among rich nations, a key study has found.

The survey, by US health thinktank the Commonwealth Fund, showed that while one-third of American adults "went without recommended care, did not see a doctor when sick, or failed to fill prescriptions because of costs", this figure was only 6% in the UK and 5% in Holland.

In all countries except Britain, wealth largely determined access to health, with patients with incomes below the national average more likely to report trouble with medical bills and problems with getting care because of cost.

The survey, of 19,700 patients in 11 nations, found "substantial differences" among countries on access to care when sick, access after hours, and waiting times for specialised care.

About 70% of British patients reported same- or next-day access to doctors when sick, less than the 93% of Swiss adults reporting rapid access. In contrast, however, only 57% of adults in Sweden and the US, and less than half in Canada and Norway, were seen this quickly.

The NHS was also extremely cost-effective, with spending on health per person almost the lowest in the survey. A person in the UK paid $1,500 less than a person in Switzerland, $600 less than a German and less than half the $7,538 paid by every American for healthcare."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ess-healthcare
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post #56 of 143
Google's wi-fi data to be deleted

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The UK's information commissioner has said that wi-fi data accidentally collected by Google's Street View cars will be deleted within the next nine months
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post #57 of 143
'The Pianist' Accused Of Working With Nazis
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The story of Wladyslaw Szpilman, a Jewish musician and composer who struggled to survive the Warsaw ghetto, was made into the Oscar-winning 2002 movie "The Pianist."

Now a new book in Poland about a cabaret singer with whom Szpilman worked alleges that the pianist collaborated with the Gestapo to survive. The Szpilman family calls the accusation outrageous, and his son is taking legal action to try to stop the book.

About the only thing that Szpilman's family and the biographer of cabaret singer Wiera Gran agree on is that the two Jewish musicians were once colleagues and played together at a café in the Warsaw ghetto in German-occupied Poland.

The café was an important meeting place, an oasis of elegance in brutal times. The two played together until the café was closed by the Nazis after the first Warsaw uprising in 1942. After the war, they had a major falling out when Szpilman accused Gran of collaborating with the Nazis. Gran worked for the rest of her life with only limited success to try to clear her name. There was never any hard evidence she collaborated. They were mostly rumors.

Now a new biography of the cabaret singer titled "Accused: Vera Gran" by Polish journalist Agata Tuszynska says Gran long believed it was Szpilman, in fact, who worked with the occupiers. In the book, Gran calls Szpilman "a Gestapo man" and makes other charges including that he once worked for the Nazi-controlled Jewish police rounding up Jews....
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post #58 of 143
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
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post #59 of 143

And after all these years an aging deranged bitch-dominatrix on steroids can still give the hard-right a hard-ON.

I'm all for a bit of debauchery but some perversions are just beyond the pale.
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post #60 of 143
That's the kind of retarded analysis we've come to expect from your side Sego.

The fact is (and which you refuse to address) is that Thatcher's 1993 biography laid out how the problem of European monetary policy was doomed to suffer a catastrophic economic failure.

The current PIGS crisis vindicates her analysis and stance on the Euro. In return, all you have are insults.
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post #61 of 143
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That's the kind of retarded analysis we've come to expect from your side Sego.

The fact is (and which you refuse to address) is that Thatcher's 1993 biography laid out how the problem of European monetary policy was doomed to suffer a catastrophic economic failure.

The current PIGS crisis vindicates her analysis and stance on the Euro. In return, all you have are insults.

Ok..let's take it to some serious analysis if you can step up to the plate.

Thatcher's analysis was WRONG for the following reasons: it only applies to the Euro.

Where is the Dollar and Icelandic currencies in her argument? According to her they would be fine and safe as opposed to the Euro. Such is not the case.

So she was wrong....ALL THESE CURRENCIES are in trouble. But her bias would never allow her to see that.

Basically she did not predict anything - her little-Englander mentality played well with the nation of shopkeepers and it happened to LOOK CORRECT one time in 30 years and then only if you discount everything else in the equation.

Besides, pretty soon it will look very, very foolish (Rather I mean it will be seen for what it is) because the fact is that SOME Euro countries are on the up and it is only really Spain, Ireland and Portugal that are dragging it down.

Germany economy is rising and she will not be able (politically) or want to bail out anyone else - and why should she? - and at that point (imo) these PIGS will be cut loose and perhaps return to the Punt and Peseta.

Then you will see German economic growth unhindered and it will be a different story for the Euro.
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post #62 of 143
While it's true the world's major currency's are all part of a similar basketcase (and a shadow currency war that is bordering on insane) Thatcher's point was that the European situation would be seriously endangered by a one-size-fits-all monetary policy that doesn't take into account the diverse economies that are in the mix.

Your comment only makes her analysis seem more correct. If you dump the PIGS overboard, does that make the overall European situation better or worse?
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post #63 of 143
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While it's true the world's major currency's are all part of a similar basketcase (and a shadow currency war that is bordering on insane) Thatcher's point was that the European situation would be seriously endangered by a one-size-fits-all monetary policy that doesn't take into account the diverse economies that are in the mix.

Your comment only makes her analysis seem more correct. If you dump the PIGS overboard, does that make the overall European situation better or worse?

Better...obviously.
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post #64 of 143
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Better...obviously.

How do you reconcile the insanity that notes that all the countries you want to dump overboard are following your worldview with regard to spending and the public sector and all the countries you want to keep are being run by that horrid and rising tide of rightists?

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post #65 of 143
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How do you reconcile the insanity that notes that all the countries you want to dump overboard are following your worldview with regard to spending and the public sector and all the countries you want to keep are being run by that horrid and rising tide of rightists?

I think it is more simplistic than that: it so happens that all the countries that are failing - whether they are in the Euro or not - happen to be following the Chicago School of Economics 'rampant unfettered markets' model.

So in this case it has gone slightly beyond the political Right and is a case of treating the patient's insanity (or perhaps isolating society from the madness if it turns out to be incurable)...

When the patient is cured - or nullified - then we can discuss political allegiance.

As it is not we have a situation that needs dealing with where the lunatics have control of the ambulance and are jumping every red light at 90 in a built-up School zone.

Best to deal with this first...
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post #66 of 143
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I think it is more simplistic than that: it so happens that all the countries that are failing - whether they are in the Euro or not - happen to be following the Chicago School of Economics 'rampant unfettered markets' model.



Talk about simplistic.

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post #67 of 143
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I think it is more simplistic than that: it so happens that all the countries that are failing - whether they are in the Euro or not - happen to be following the Chicago School of Economics 'rampant unfettered markets' model.

So in this case it has gone slightly beyond the political Right and is a case of treating the patient's insanity (or perhaps isolating society from the madness if it turns out to be incurable)...

When the patient is cured - or nullified - then we can discuss political allegiance.

As it is not we have a situation that needs dealing with where the lunatics have control of the ambulance and are jumping every red light at 90 in a built-up School zone.

Best to deal with this first...

You are seriously suggesting that the PIIGS of Europe are following the Chicago School of Economics aka they are following the reasoning of Hayek/Friendman, etc.

That has to be the most insane thing I've ever read. Apparently you've taken this BIZARRO reasoning to a whole new level.

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post #68 of 143
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Better...obviously.

That doesn't make any sense. Those countries are all European neighbours. If their economies are left to implode, you are seriously suggesting that the rest of Europe can simply ignore the resulting situation?
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post #69 of 143
Russian lawmakers say Stalin ordered massacre of Polish soldiers
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Russia's lower house of parliament has approved a resolution recognizing that Josef Stalin's regime was responsible for the 1940 massacre of more than 20,000 Polish officers, signaling a thawing of relations between Poland and Russia, state media reported.....

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"Acknowledging the Stalinist totalitarian regime's accountability for this unprecedented massacre is the Russian Parliament's important gesture, signifying that we are making progress on the way to reconciliation between our countries and peoples," said the statement."
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post #70 of 143
BRITAIN IS FREEZING TO DEATH

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MIDDLE class families are among millions of Britons who cannot afford to heat their homes this winter, as elderly ride on buses all day to stay in the warm.

After a week of snow and freezing temperatures a shocking picture has emerged of the bleak months ahead for 5.5 million households.

Pensioners, who are among those most vulnerable to the cold, are resorting to extraordinary measures to keep warm.

Many have been using their free travel passes to spend the day riding on buses while others are seeking refuge from the cold in libraries and shopping centres.

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About half of the people forced to spend over 10 per cent of their income on energy bills – the official definition of fuel poverty – are aged over 60.

But working families also face a tough time meeting the cost of keeping the central heating turned on as fuel prices continue to rise.

Ann Robinson, director of consumer policy at price comparison service uswitch.com, said: “Middle-class households are now in fuel poverty.”

National Energy Action estimates that 5.5 million households will have plunged into fuel poverty by early next year due to price rises.

This is up 400,000 on the group’s last estimate and represents 21 per cent of the UK’s 26 million households.

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Energy minister Greg Barker admitted last week that the system to deal with fuel poverty was “completely broken” and said he was “very worried” by the NEA figures.

But at least nobody is going bankrupt in Britain due to medical bills.

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BRITAIN IS FREEZING TO DEATH

But at least nobody is going bankrupt in Britain due to medical bills.

Yes and once they freeze to death, they can be composted and also, they'll be carbon neutral so high fives all around!

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post #72 of 143
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BRITAIN IS FREEZING TO DEATH

But at least nobody is going bankrupt in Britain due to medical bills.

This has nothing to do with the cost of the NHS, which the nation can afford. That isn't an issue anywhere in the world apart from in certain sections of extremely right wing America, apparently. Thanks for your concern, but relax. Britain can afford the NHS.

I think if Britain can afford to give the banks £850 billion it can afford the 7 billion the NHS costs, don't you?

Oh, I forgot. We've been over this before and facts don't matter to you.
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This has nothing to do with the cost of the NHS, which the nation can afford. That isn't an issue anywhere in the world apart from in certain sections of extremely right wing America, apparently. Thanks for your concern, but relax. Britain can afford the NHS.

I think if Britain can afford to give the banks £850 billion it can afford the 7 billion the NHS costs, don't you?

Oh, I forgot. We've been over this before and facts don't matter to you.

The fact is a person would rather be bankrupt than dead.

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post #74 of 143
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This has nothing to do with the cost of the NHS, which the nation can afford. That isn't an issue anywhere in the world apart from in certain sections of extremely right wing America, apparently. Thanks for your concern, but relax. Britain can afford the NHS.

I think if Britain can afford to give the banks £850 billion it can afford the 7 billion the NHS costs, don't you?

Oh, I forgot. We've been over this before and facts don't matter to you.



People in your country are literally freezing to death because of ridiculously high energy prices. NHS (which is broke and running a deficit) doesn't do much for people who are dead.

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BRITAIN IS FREEZING TO DEATH







But at least nobody is going bankrupt in Britain due to medical bills.

Most things die back or simply die off completely in harsh winters. For those in their dying years, the cold typically finishes them off. This is nothing new in other words and the power companies know it, hence the higher rates when their profits are already staggeringly high.
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post #76 of 143
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Most things die back or simply die off completely in harsh winters. For those in their dying years, the cold typically finishes them off.

It's going to be interesting to see how the left side of the board reacts to this.

Because we all know what would happen if a conservative on the board said something this callous.
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It's going to be interesting to see how the left side of the board reacts to this.

Because we all know what would happen if a conservative on the board said something this callous.

I expect a full attempt to actually understand what he said followed by either agreement with the actual point he was trying to make or nothing. If i had said that in the way he did ( and I never would ) there would be pitchforks and torches.

He is not saying what he appears to be saying from what i can tell. He should not have said what he did and how he did it as it appears to make him look like a real bastard. \

Hands, you may want to clarify your position unless you intended to look like a darwinian nightmare for older people.
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"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err." - Mahatma Gandhi
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post #78 of 143
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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

It's going to be interesting to see how the left side of the board reacts to this.

Because we all know what would happen if a conservative on the board said something this callous.

Can't see a problem with it...tellingly you left out the bit about who was REALLY responsible for the deaths: the Capitalist System.

Still...seems Hands Sandon was merely stating the facts so there's no real chance of any Conservative doing that it seems.....
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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People in your country are literally freezing to death because of ridiculously high energy prices. NHS (which is broke and running a deficit) doesn't do much for people who are dead.

The NHS doesn't do much for puppets, people who live in Lesotho or people who were born in 1673, either.

What's your point? The NHS has nothing to do with fuel prices. The country can afford the NHS.

It's cold in the UK this week. Fuel prices are high. Poor people need help. The NHS has fuck all to do with that.

Come back when you have a point to make.
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I made my point. Don't get all upset because you missed it or tried to spin it and failed miserably.

People in Britain are freezing to death because fuel prices are too high and are depending on government to save them. Your energy minister has admitted the government program that is supposed to deal with fuel poverty is a dismal failure.

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Energy minister Greg Barker admitted last week that the system to deal with fuel poverty was “completely broken” and said he was “very worried” by the NEA figures.

Government is not the solution to your problem. It IS the problem.

How do you think fuel prices got so high in the first place? Could it, perhaps, have something to do with the fact that your government has intentionally driven fuel prices higher to "save the planet" from the "threat" of global warming? And if not intentionally, then indirectly by imposing insane regulations and restrictions on energy production.

I bet more than a few people in Britain would really appreciate some global warming right about now.

But I guess it's okay. They won't have to pay NHS (which is broke and running a deficit) to treat their frostbite and hypothermia.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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