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Originally Posted by saintstryfe View Post

So what will more people care about? MS releasing yet another mobile platform to fail, or World of Warcraft launching version 4.0.1?

ZOMG, I'm a 6 year wow player myself, I play a hunter, i'm not happy
post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by -AG- View Post

Ok guys this is getting beyond a joke.

There is competition and there is innovation.

I think that many people who reply with the above comments don't know the difference.
Competition is when you make a product that is the same as everyone else's and hope that yours stands out from the crowd enough.
Innovation is when you create the same product and then everyone copies your ideas.

If these other companies really want to move the industry forward they need to innovate, not just copy but bump the specs (eg you have a 5MP camera.... we have an 8MP one etc).

If this wasn't the case then why do all the smart phones post iPhone launch look like mutant clones of the iPhone?



YES.... They learnt to use the photo copier before all other companies.



Yeah its getting annoying that people can say things like the iPhone has sold only 3 million and the Android has sold 23 million, instead of apple phone has sold x million and samsungs android phones have sold x million.

Its the same as how they compare iOS devices to android and conveniently forget the touch or iPad in their figures.

Apple is very much an innovator in the way Apple incorporated existing technology (cell phone, wireless, camera, touch-screen, accelerometer, compass, gps, etc) and merged these technologies into a single device with enormous self customization through add-ons via apps...ETC ETC as an article could go on forever in detailing this innovation-

Google has also innovated in regards to searching and compiling enormous amounts of data... areas in their example of innovation can also be detailed further.

Microsoft has perhaps innovated by selling non-innovation to the public (a plagiarism for lack of a better word - or copycat) and making their product sell millions if not billions of computers running software that wastes billions of hours due to its clunky problems as users are so often having to reinstall and troubleshoot it being told the better product or their competition Apple was lesser through spin and PC competition through their licensing their OS made them cheaper and cheaper yet cheaper.
I'm not sure that even their sham on the eyes of the public qualifies as innovation.
In fact I fail to see where they have ever innovated-well maybe their NT product-yes that was innovation - i take back my prior statement.

Adding specs as in larger memory, disk space, faster data/web, pixels does not qualify as i see as innovation.

-David

PS-Don't start throwing shoes at me-please-this is just my opinions as i see them in response to your post. I have respect for all others. Apple users, MS users and others. I use Apple, MS, and many others products so I am not a troll or fanboy but yes i am a fag.
post #43 of 73
I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.
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post #44 of 73
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Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.

Goodbye lkrupp. We'll miss you.
post #45 of 73
For a company which has a monopoly in the desktop OS and office market and where they can only go downhill Microsoft has been pretty bold when it comes to aggressive introduction of new interface features lately. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Microsoft would have the balls to push out a new office version which completely breaks with its own former UI paradigm and does not even offer a downgrade path? And now they have dared to actually innovate in the mobile UI space, a place which has been dominated by the iPhone design's in the past years and nobody actually dared to move too much away from it. Don't mistake me, I think the iPhone/iPad interfaces are functional but I doubt that it is actually the last word in that matter.
post #46 of 73
what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.

Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.

As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market but since all the others are free that wasnt too hard to accomplish. Seriously, the one thing I give MS credit for is seemingly doing all the right things in regards to Windows Phone 7, save for the nomenclature. What I mean by that is they dont seem to be trying to go head-to-head with the iPhone simply because it had the most mindshare, and they seem to be using a smart release schedule and alter WinMo in a way that is unlike what theyve done in the past. For these reasons I have hope this is a new MS, at least in this division.


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what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.

Touché.
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post #48 of 73
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Goodbye lkrupp. We'll miss you.

Just about any place would be better than this cesspool with its smarmy Windows and Android fanboys defecating on the floor.
post #49 of 73
I'm personally looking forward to next weeks release of windows phone 7, I'm going to show up and record the turn out for this new product and record it with my iPhone4. :-)

I'm curious as to what type of person would prefer a windows phone 7 to an iPhone or android solution.
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Ladies & gentlemen, start your engines, oh wait, Ballmer is 3 years late to this race.

And you know what? he is good at putting up fake race.
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post #51 of 73
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I may be wrong but I have a feeling MS has missed the boat on this one. I also suspect MS phones will simply not be seen as 'cool' by those that care about such things.

Cool and Microsoft can't be on same page. Let alone same line.
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post #52 of 73
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what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.

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post #53 of 73
I hope Microsoft saved one of the coffins from their little mock funeral for Windows Phone 7.
post #54 of 73
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Originally Posted by KingKuei View Post

As much as I love all my Apple-branded gadgets, I actually feel sorry for Microsoft of late due to the constant beating they are taking in the press and investment circles. I think some of the criticism is unwarranted and sometimes totally unfair.

I for one am glad that MS is rebooting their mobile ambitions. After the last major WinMo release plus the disaster that was Kin, they could have given up or just stuck with the status quo like Nokia and RIM. Instead, WinMo 7 is really a big shakeup for them as it represents a whole new way of thinking at MS, one that is, dare I say it, more Apple-like in its focus on maximizing the core experiences.

And from another perspective, if MS can meet with even a small degree of success, the competition will simply force everyone, Apple included, to work even harder to improve their offerings. I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.

So part sympathy, part empathy, and part excitement, I wish MS well.

...but knowing some of the shennanigans going on internally I don't know if they have the
corporate internal fortitude to stave off what seems from all internal and external indications a long, slow slide into an historical footnote.

I do not feel sorry for Redmond at all they built their corporate culture and now have to live with their choices. They are routinely late to the table with devices and concepts that are outdated. Unlike for example Apple, who are sometimes late to the table, but bring innovative recombinant concepts that as often as not turn an industry segment on its head - or at least force a rethinking of existing concepts by their competitors.

Microsoft will be the elephant in the ballroom for some time to come, but simply putting silk ballet slippers on their feet will not make them dance any better. Apple is innovating several years into the future while others are playing catch-up. Even though Android keeps grabbing for whatever feature it can out of the basket, many of them are half-baked or make no sense. Likewise, Microsoft instead of revisiting the UI in a meaningful way and trying to develop the next generation approach ahead of Apple are content to dress the UI in hipster rags and call it innovative.

So yes I do wish them well, in fact better than I believe they are able to produce. But I also toss pennies in wishing wells. With just as much effect.
post #55 of 73
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.

Sheesh. Can't talk about potential competitors at all then??
post #56 of 73
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Seriously, can anyone recommend a web site where I can read news and rumors about Apple products? I'd really like to find such a site.

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post #57 of 73
Redmond, start your photocopiers.

Or, you could start make a crappier version 3 years too late.

That's ok with us, too.
post #58 of 73
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Originally Posted by Bibbler View Post

Yeah, couldn't agree more!!! Microsoft only had $16.04 billion in revenue last quarter and $4.52 billion in profit. They're TOAST!!!!!!

Nice to see you repeating the Michael Dell quote. It'll let other fanboys know you're one of them. Do you use an "elegant" Mac too??? Is everyone else's computer "clunky" and "crappy"???? I bet you "skate to where the puck is going to be", don't you????

Trust Me, Microsoft isn't going anywhere despite your childish little rant.

a truly hopeful Microsoft stockholder.

Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.

Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:

>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.

>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.

>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.

See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.
post #59 of 73
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Originally Posted by Erunno View Post

For a company which has a monopoly in the desktop OS and office market and where they can only go downhill Microsoft has been pretty bold when it comes to aggressive introduction of new interface features lately. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Microsoft would have the balls to push out a new office version which completely breaks with its own former UI paradigm and does not even offer a downgrade path? And now they have dared to actually innovate in the mobile UI space, a place which has been dominated by the iPhone design's in the past years and nobody actually dared to move too much away from it. Don't mistake me, I think the iPhone/iPad interfaces are functional but I doubt that it is actually the last word in that matter.

Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.

Another point in fact: Windows Mobile platform lost the most share to Android predation.

Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.

Commentary: The only "innovation" in the mobile space they have accomplished thus far is a "hipster" approach to data presentation on the screen, nothing else of the interface has changed sunstantially from previous offering once you get under the skin. This is not innovation, it is window-dressing (pun intended) and nothing more. To recap - Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.
post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Missed the boat, sure, but there is still time to catch up. With each marketshare survey I read MS still has a higher percentage than most would think. If they do have a groundbreaking solution there is certainly hope for them to take a commanding lead.

As it stands now they the most profitable licensed mobile OS on the market but since all the others are free that wasnt too hard to accomplish. Seriously, the one thing I give MS credit for is seemingly doing all the right things in regards to Windows Phone 7, save for the nomenclature. What I mean by that is they dont seem to be trying to go head-to-head with the iPhone simply because it had the most mindshare, and they seem to be using a smart release schedule and alter WinMo in a way that is unlike what theyve done in the past. For these reasons I have hope this is a new MS, at least in this division.




Touché.

Except it is not T-mobile exclusive. Their premier launch partner is ATT
post #61 of 73
No matter how much Microsoft spends, still WINDOWS phone = JUNK... maybe they should change their company name!!!! MICROSOFT = junk maker
post #62 of 73
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Originally Posted by LewysBlackmore View Post

Point in fact: RIM/Blackberry is the dominant marketshare for UI in the US smartphone space, not Apple. You have mistaken marketing and uninformed commentary for reality. RIM is the marketshare target in the smartphone space, followed by Apple, Google(Android) Windows Mobile, and a host of others with lesser share.

Yes, and Nokia outdoes them both internationally. Yet nobody is copying Symbian's multitude interfaces. It's apparent though that the iPhone has been a huge influence on other mobile phone makers as evidenced by most phones with a touch-driven UI which are mostly adapted from the iPhone.

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Point in fact: 10 years ago, they had no need to innovate in the Office UI paradigm, because thery had only recently enjoyed a relative lack of competition from other office productivity platforms.

They weren't under any pressure to radically change the UI of one of their flagship products either. It was done preemptively in order to out-innovate OpenOffice *before* it has the chance to become a serious competitor (not to forget the underhanded way Microsoft standardized OpenXML). And it was a big risk given their conservative cooperate clients and millions of users who learned to live with the old Office UI.

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Apple doesn't dominate the segment and never have - that is currently owned by Blackberry, whose interface is firmly rooted in the 20th century. WinPhone7 is not innovative, just nominally what Redmond thinks is hip.

As I hinted before, I'm afraid you are confusing market share with being an innovation leader which Apple currently clearly is with the iPhone. The Windows 7 Phone AFAIK is the first smartphone to deviate from it significantly.
post #63 of 73
Everyone here who is hoping for WP7 to fail doesn't see the big picture.

Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.

Competition. Breeds. Innovation.

Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.

By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)
post #64 of 73
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Everyone here who is hoping for WP7 to fail doesn't see the big picture.

Repeat after me: Competition breeds innovation. Keep saying that over and over until it sinks in.

Competition. Breeds. Innovation.

Every platform to follow iPhone has been a copycat platform. And so-called open platforms like Android are being smothered by the carrier's incessant need to inject their own branding, resulting in bloatware and a reduced feature set. Besides Apple, Microsoft is the only other company innovating in the mobile space right now. Love them or hate them, it's that innovation that's going to make iOS5 as fresh as it was when the first iPhone dropped.

By the way, it's interesting that just about every pro-apple rag out there is excited about Microsoft's UI, saying it makes Springboard look like a relic in comparison. Personally, I love the idea of being able to see when my next appointment is without having to jump through a zillion hoops first. (It's the little things, you know)

Not to be a stickler but I’d say that "innovation begets innovation”.

Also, competition in and of itself may not bring about the type of innovation one might expect. For example, look at the low end of the PC market. These $400 PCs are very innovative although many won’t see it as we tend to look toward technological innovations when we hear the term, yet these PC makers have fighting their way to the bottom by innovating new ways to cut corners thereby cutting cuts and adding selling crap-ware space thereby adding a sliver of profit to an otherwise profit-less machine. HP has done especially well on this front which makes it a shame they lost their CEO.
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post #65 of 73
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I can see that, but Ive talked with several people who work in tech related areas in large enterprises and the WP7 offers things that Android, BB OS and iOS doesnt. Namely, the Windows development platform. iOS is popular, easy and cheap but many of these companies have developers that know MS products, have consultants that do, and therefore can (or at least think) WP7 can offer them some cost savings.

Add in the fact they can do what they do with PCs and let HW vendors fight over contracts because they all run the same OS. With iOS and BB OS you have to use the RiM or Apple device. This isnt nearly the issue it is with PCs, but there is still enough reason for corporations to consider this angle. Android is surprising popular in the enterprise according to a recent article I read yet every company Im associated with wont support it due to its inherently security issues.

So many dont understand this. The corporate world did not even consider iPhone until Apple licensed ActiveSync and all that goes with it (remote wipe, policies, enterprise tool)from Microsoft. Until then RIM and WinMO were the corporate choices. iPhone became popular with corporations after it got on board with Exchange and mostly because WinMO and RIM were way behind in the UI game.

Windows Phone 7 is every bit as good from a UI perspective, better IMHO. It will be more compatible with Exchange and hook into Office/Sharepoint/.NET parts of large corporations even better. Being on my providers both cell and hardware will make it cheaper and more avalible than the iPhone to corporations.

Between Android and WP7 the iPhone will eventually be #3 or 4 behind RIM, Android and WP7 in short time.
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a truly hopeful Microsoft stockholder.

Yep no large corporation ever failed in this country due to malfeasance or incompetence *cough* *cough* *Control Data Corp*. I'm a stockholder myself with insider sources, so I want them to at least maintain their status, but a mere 16mil in revenue isn't going to keep them from falling down if they can't generate a decent amount of continued success.

Let me cite you just three examples of "recent" corporate failures that in fact far outstrip Microsoft:

>>Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The multinational financial giant was worth a reported $691 billion when it lost most of its clients and devaluation of its assets, forcing it to fold in 2008.

>>Washington Mutual, Inc. Another victim of the 2008 economic collapse, Washington Mutual was valued at $327 billion when the bank was cleared out of $16.4 billion in hard assets in a 10-day run. This was the largest bank failure in US history.

>>WorldCom. The telecommunications company was valued at $103.9 billion when it filed for Chapter 11 in 2002, making it the largest bankruptcy filing at the time. The company had come under fire for massive fraud.

See? worth is no hedge against stupidity, carelessness, incapacity or neglect.

Your examples are lame at best. All of them are either part of a system/sector collapse (1 and 2) of massive fraud #3 or both. Microsoft makes real money vs the market cap virtual world. Its not going anywhere anytime. If all consumers dumped Microsoft products it still would make money with all of its corporate, goverment and educational ties.
post #67 of 73
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

what better way to maximize your market share than with a line of exclusive T-Mobile devices.

Unlike the iPhone in the US, WP7 will be on all GSM provders in the US from day 1, T-mobile and ATT. Next year it will be on Sprint and Verizon, Microsoft has said as much.

Of course you can read Macrumors and Apple Insider about when the iPhone will be on other US providers but that will only be a rumor since Apple wont say anything.
post #68 of 73
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Originally Posted by KingKuei View Post

I remember one columnist pointed out with iPhone 4 and iOS 4 that the onslaught of Android devices has energized Apple and really pushed them to do even more.

Yeah, like Android pushed Apple to release the iPhone.

Er, wait...

No, it was Windows Mobile that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.

Er, wait - well, yes - but not because it was a worthy competitor - quite the opposite

No, it was Blackberry that pushed Apple to release the iPhone.

Er, wait - no it wasn't.

Face it, Apple is the one pushing companies to innovate, not the other way around. Columnists and faceless Internet forum jockey's can wax poetic about competition forcing Apple to innovate all they want but they are collectively talking out their butt. Apple marches to their own drum, and it's working darn well.
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Except it is not T-mobile exclusive. Their premier launch partner is ATT

Doh! I knew I should have verified that before posting.
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post #70 of 73
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Doh! I knew I should have verified that before posting.

No problem, we all make mistakes.
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Heh. These aren't the droids, er, thread you're looking for. You wanna go here: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=113556

Woot?.. what happened?
post #72 of 73
For the record you have to check out this interview with Paul Thurrott. Not only is it funny, but seriously as well, Paul Thurrott claims Windows Phone 7 will surpass RIM and Symbian to sit at NO.3 behind iOS and Android.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r9ZkqLMSs
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Originally Posted by Zaphodsplanet View Post

Prepare to be awed by the Mediocrity that is Windows anything. I'm sitting here racking my brain.... has MS ever done a single original anything?????

I think if you actually have a look at Windows Phone 7, you'll note that it's pretty damn original.

Whether it is better than the iPhone is another matter entirely, but one thing that even fan boys like yourself should be able to give them credit for is the fact that unlike Android, they have not just gone out and copied Apple on this one.
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