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Book listing claims Apple's iLife '11 will be 64-bit, iOS compatible

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A description for a forthcoming book on iLife '11 says that Apple's forthcoming software suite will be entirely in 64 bits, include a rewritten iWeb, will ditch iDVD, and will also be available for iOS devices.

Amazon's German site has a listing for a book entitled "iLife 11: Digital pictures, movies, music and more," set for release in December 2010. It states that iPhoto will become integrated with social networks, iWeb will be "completely rewritten," and it will not include iDVD.

The listing also states there is "still a new application," but does not state what it is, suggesting the description might simply be based on rumors. In July, it was alleged that the next version of iLife would be 64-bit and would include a "mystery application," though it was also incorrectly reported the software would launch in August.

The German book's cover reads "iPhoto, iMovie and more, with Apps for Mac, iPhone 4, iPod and iPad," which could mean that the next version of iLife could also become available on iOS devices. Apple's other software suite, iWork, was released for iPad earlier this year in the form of three separate applications for $10 each: Pages, Keynote and Numbers.

The book is set to be penned by Uwe Nerger, who has no other published titles to his credit. He is co-author of another Apple-centric book coming out in November 2010 entitled "Mac Education."

In September, a family pack for iLife '11 was spotted for sale on Amazon's U.S. website. The product sold for $99 and was given an Amazon Standard Identification Number.



The iLife suite currently includes iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb and iDVD. The software is included on every new Mac. The last update, iLife '09, launched in January of 2009, with major upgrades to all of its applications, including the Faces and Places features in iPhoto, and the addition of the Precision Editor to iMovie.
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I don't think this suite will go more than two years without an update, so a guess of any time up to January is pretty likely to be correct... And more likely by the day as the time span between now and then shortens.
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Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.
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Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

Lead, follow or get out of the way
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Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

Adobe Premiere Elements will do all of this , including BluRay authoring right in the application. If iLife doesn't do what you want, go to another app that will. If Apple does not support BluRay, they will learn the hard way which HAS happened before.
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Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

Apple's leapfrogged the who Bly Ray situation expertly. We're moving to streaming. Are you going to be left behind?
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Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

You do know that iDVD is for MAKING DVDs NOT playing them?
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I am hoping iWeb will be the biggest news once released. I really, really hope it can spit out iPad, iPhone and Mac compliant alternatives automatically.
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Apple's leapfrogged the who Bly Ray situation expertly. We're moving to streaming. Are you going to be left behind?

Consumers... MAYBE.. but Professionals (As in Movie industry).. NO. It will be a huge mistake if Final Cut does not more aggressively support BluRay. That can't happen unless Apple supports it in a broader sense.
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Consumers... MAYBE.. but Professionals (As in Movie industry).. NO. It will be a huge mistake if Final Cut does not more aggressively support BluRay. That can't happen unless Apple supports it in a broader sense.

Are you sure we talking about iLife now, which is designed for the amateurs rather than professionals?
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

iDVD has nothing to do with your collection of DVD movies, or your player. You are making yet another knee-jerk reaction to something you don't know anything about without thinking, looking anything up, or even stopping for a breath.

I'd bet you haven't even used iDVD. Most people haven't. I work with iLife day in and day out and the number of people that actually need and use the iDVD part is tiny. Even if you don't believe that discs are on the way out, iDVD is not something that a lot of folks use.
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Apple's leapfrogged the who Bly Ray situation expertly. We're moving to streaming. Are you going to be left behind?

You aren't serious, are you?
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

You do know that iDVD is for MAKING DVDs NOT playing them?

Yes, I am aware, more so than most here.

What's the point of making a boring home movie if you can't torture your relatives with it when you visit?
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I wonder what the usefulness of bringing iWeb to iOS is? Maybe some people would design the the occasional web content on the iPad, but it's hard to see it being a popular task on the iPhone or iPod Touch. An iOS Garageband would be interesting, although it could feel gimmicky if not done right.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

When was the last time you burned a DVD using iDVD? I'd imaging burning support will be dropped into iMovie. Why dump you collection of blu-rays? Apple isn't saying blu-ray doesn't have it's place, just that the history of blu-ray will be short-lived and it has no real place on a computer. You have a choice as a consumer.

This is forward thinking. HD is about to replaced with super HD and 3D screen technology, blu-ray can't support 4096, so in a couple of years when this becomes the standard, digital delivery or media on SD cards will probably be the norm. No point adopting a technology which fundamentally changes the hardware and software configuration on a product when the shelf life will be extremely limited.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

iDVD has nothing to do with your collection of DVD movies, or your player. You are making yet another knee-jerk reaction to something you don't know anything about without thinking, looking anything up, or even stopping for a breath.

I'd bet you haven't even used iDVD. Most people haven't. I work with iLife day in and day out and the number of people that actually need and use the iDVD part is tiny. Even if you don't believe that discs are on the way out, iDVD is not something that a lot of folks use.

I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.

If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?

Just because the community here is ready to embrace the walled garden iOS goodness of Apple TV and watch what Apple and Netflix wants you to watch doesn't mean normal people in the real world are.

I may be making a soda jerk reaction, but this rumor sounds EXACTLY like what Steve Jobs would mandate.
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Originally Posted by webraider View Post

Adobe Premiere Elements will do all of this , including BluRay authoring right in the application. If iLife doesn't do what you want, go to another app that will. If Apple does not support BluRay, they will learn the hard way which HAS happened before.

Care to give an example of this "hard way" of learning? I saw apple drop the floppy disc, drop ADB and other serial ports for USB, they'll soon drop the optical drive. Haven't seem them back step yet.
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I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.

If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?

Just because the community here is ready to embrace the walled garden iOS goodness of Apple TV and watch what Apple and Netflix wants you to watch doesn't mean normal people in the real world are.

I may be making a soda jerk reaction, but this rumor sounds EXACTLY like what Steve Jobs would mandate.

iDVD is too limited in what it does, that functionality can easily be slotted into iMovie with an export to DVD option, having a separate application for a niche function is pretty pointless.
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What's the point of making a boring home movie if you can't torture your relatives with it when you visit?

You still can - iDVD does not do any DVD playback - that is a completely different application.
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Originally Posted by webraider View Post

Consumers... MAYBE.. but Professionals (As in Movie industry).. NO. It will be a huge mistake if Final Cut does not more aggressively support BluRay. That can't happen unless Apple supports it in a broader sense.

We're not talking about final cut, we're talking about consumer level fun ware, not professional creation tools. The future of HD media is not blu-ray.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Yes, I am aware, more so than most here.

What's the point of making a boring home movie if you can't torture your relatives with it when you visit?

lol - you've really missed the boat haven't you.

You show them on your shiny 27" screen, or stream to your apple TV, why wait four hours for it to burn to DVD?


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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.

If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?

Just because the community here is ready to embrace the walled garden iOS goodness of Apple TV and watch what Apple and Netflix wants you to watch doesn't mean normal people in the real world are.

I may be making a soda jerk reaction, but this rumor sounds EXACTLY like what Steve Jobs would mandate.


Whose talking about dropping Garageband? Did I miss that. It's fun and has nothing to do with the redundant, boring blu-ray 'debate'. Apple aren't going to support it. Ever. So get over it, or buy a different computer. iDVD isn't being "killed" - it's not about to be deleted from your apps folder and is supported on the intel platform, so it can sit gathering dust for quite some time yet.
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This is forward thinking. HD is about to replaced with super HD and 3D screen technology, blu-ray can't support 4096, so in a couple of years when this becomes the standard, digital delivery or media on SD cards will probably be the norm. No point adopting a technology which fundamentally changes the hardware and software configuration on a product when the shelf life will be extremely limited.

No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.

Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?

Hey Grandpa, download this movie this weekend while your out of town and it might be finished by Monday morning. This is assuming Grandpa HAS a computer in the first place.

DVD's are perfect for sharing with non tech people, the kind that don't visit this forum. Not everyone thinks like the community here, thank goodness.

As far as Blu Ray being outdated in a couple of years, I agree with you. You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
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lol - you've really missed the boat haven't you.

You show them on your shiny 27" screen, or stream to your apple TV, why wait four hours for it to burn to DVD?

You are assuming my relatives are foolish enough to come over to my home in the first place.
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The future of HD media is not blu-ray.

Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?
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You still can - iDVD does not do any DVD playback - that is a completely different application.

*sigh*

Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.

Point being, Apple (Steve) is not abandoning iDVD (if they really are) because they think no one is sharing home movies in this manner. They are killing it (if they really are) because they think optical media as a format is dead and I'm really getting tired of this.

Apple, you don't steer the optical media world. You don't steer the ad business with iAD, and you don't steer journalism with the iPad. The only thing Steve Jobs needs to steer is his car to the doctor and have his medication checked because this guy is totally out of his mind.

I hope Tim Cook doesn't go to HP because Steve Jobs must go.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

iDVD is too limited in what it does, that functionality can easily be slotted into iMovie with an export to DVD option, having a separate application for a niche function is pretty pointless.

OH! I see! It needs to go because it always sucked? Like Consumer reports and Flash??
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I have used iDVD, even if it's not something that lots of folks use. Hold on to your hat for another news flash: I use GarageBand a lot too. That doesn't mean I want Apple to abandon it.

If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?

Because it costs money to maintain and support. If not that many people use it, why would they keep it around?

There's still Toast and other apps you can buy if you want to make DVDs. Why would you insist your DVD creation tool come from Apple?

I'd rather Apple put their resources into products that lots of people actually use.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.

You are confused.

DVD Player provides playback capability, not iDVD. The latter is an authoring application. Your DVD library is not obsolete.

Most likely, your current version of iDVD will continue to work for some time. Of course, you will have the option of using third-party DVD authoring software (Roxio Toast, Adobe Premiere, etc.).
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Why? Because Steve Jobs said so? Who is behind Blu Ray? Sony. They were a player in the home entertainment market loooong before Apple was. Are they insignificant now? Does Steve Jobs steer the home entertainment market now?

Well, actually, yes, he does have a lot of influence.
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If they don't want to upgrade it, that's fine but why kill it? Do you think the whole world is ready to throw out their optical media and buy Apple TV's?

I'm not sure you understand the way iLife works, and how it fits in with your average Mac user (and remember, this is all about the average user, not your specific requirements, or mine). If you have any use for iDVD, if you are a regular user etc then you already have the latest version. It was already effectively deprecated in iLife'09 when it has no upgrades from the '08 version, but they threw it on the disc anyway, quietly hiding it in a corner. Check out http://www.apple.com/ilife/ and try to find reference to it. It's there, but it's hardly made to feel like it has a place unlike the other 4 apps which get nice big feature links.

Remember, anyone purchasing iLife rather than getting it free is merely purchasing an upgrade. You have the old disc, so use that if you ever need to re-install it. New users who don't have an old disc who are like new to the Mac platform won't miss what they never had. Although even in this instance I suspect they will hide it in a corner for download for those who *really* need it, like they did with iMovie HD when '08 came out.

Also as everyone has already pointed out, if iDVD was just for authoring your own movies, not merely watching them. the DVD player app is totally separate.
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No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.

Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it?

Buy Toast and make a DVD. That's the beauty of third party applications. They're more adept at meeting needs of small subsets of users. They're there to step in when Apple decides they don't want to offer a solution.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

iDVD has nothing to do with your collection of DVD movies, or your player. You are making yet another knee-jerk reaction to something you don't know anything about without thinking, looking anything up, or even stopping for a breath.

I'd bet you haven't even used iDVD. Most people haven't. I work with iLife day in and day out and the number of people that actually need and use the iDVD part is tiny. Even if you don't believe that discs are on the way out, iDVD is not something that a lot of folks use.


I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.
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'and will be ditching iDVD...'

Another reason I won't be upgrading....along with Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie...etc. etc. etc.
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I think that getting rid of iDVD is a mistake, unless its functionality is replaced within iMovie. As a consumer, being able to put together fairly polished menus and navigation in an easy way (and a short time) is fantastic. I used it to create a Music in the Movies lesson for my students last year. I'm sure the functionality will be somewhere, if not in iDVD.

They aren't going to turn up with a crack squad of elite CD collectors to take away your existing version you know
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I wonder what the usefulness of bringing iWeb to iOS is? Maybe some people would design the the occasional web content on the iPad, but it's hard to see it being a popular task on the iPhone or iPod Touch. An iOS Garageband would be interesting, although it could feel gimmicky if not done right.

These apps will be very useful on the iPad. I work in public affairs for the U.S. Army, we currently use the iPad, while on location, to view our photos taken with a 12MP camera, make allowable color corrections and crop, write our captions and stories in the pages app and send them directly to our contacts for distribution directly from the field. We no longer have to wait to get back to our office 5 hours after the mission or event to publish our stories. We currently use Photoshop express but the color correction is limited compared to iPhoto on the Mac or until Adobe comes up with a better app. Movies from our small video cameras are not currently supported, so the iMovie app would be appreciated. What we have now works well for us but the inclusion of the iLlife Suite could make the iPad an even more versatile tool for completing our assignments.
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post

'and will be ditching iDVD...'

Another reason I won't be upgrading....along with Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie...etc. etc. etc.

What has Quicktime and iTunes got to do with iLife? And what kind of "reasons" is just making a list of software? I'm not upgrading because of iMovie is not a reason. I'm not upgrading because I don't need any more from iMovie than I already get, might be, or I'm not upgrading because iMovie blah blah something might work. You can't just pick a piece of software and call it a reason for not upgrading as if we are all psychic and understand what you particular beef is.
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Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?

Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, Apple aren't going to abandon all burning to DVD, not for a couple of years yet I'd guess. DVD is established, blu-ray isn't and never will be. Technology evolves too fast for physical formats to keep up anymore.

We went from vinyl to 8 track and cassette over 60 years.
We went from cassette to CD over 10 years.
We went from CD to Digital audio tracks in 5

We went from standard CRT televisions to flat screen over 40 years
We've gone from flat screen to HD in under 10 years.
We've gone from HD to 3D Super HD in under 5.

Tying to any one physical optical media is a mistake with such exponential evolution - blu-ray will be surpassed incredibly quickly and optical drives simply aren't the future. I can imagine a time in the very near future where super HD content is delivered on SD cards.

There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?
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Typical Blackintosh assumption, the burn options will be dropped into iMovie, There are plenty of ways to burn a DVD, but how many people are still doing so other than for data back up?

Typical Blackintosh assumption? I made no assumption, I read the article here that said it was going to happen.

How many people are still burning dvd's? I don't know. How many? Probably lots of people do.

And lastly you still didn't answer my question. If you make a hi def movie, home movie, rock video, porno, whatever, how are you going to share it? Mobile Me? You Tube?

Instead of telling me that time marches on and I'm to be left behind, tell me where you're going so I can come with.
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*sigh*

Yes sir, I realize that, but you can't play a DVD if you can't create it in the first place.

But you still can - There are several third party apps that allow for DVD creation and they typically do alot better job of it than iDVD.

iDVD hasn't been upgraded in forever - just because Apple doesn't want to spend money developing doesn't mean anything - as long as Apple computers are going to contain optical drives (which they still do), there is going to be a market for DVD making software. This rumor just indicates that the market is not compelling enough anymore to waste development resources (which are finite) to further a program that they haven't updated in quite awhile.
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Well, actually, yes, he does have a lot of influence.

Only with this forum sir.
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