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Sharp has challenged Apple's smartphone display reign by announcing an Android smartphone with the same resolution and dimensions as the iPhone 4's Retina Display.

The Sharp IS03 will sport a 960 x 640 resolution on its 3.5-inch screen when it launches next month on Japan's KDDI au network, Engadget reports.

The new device will utilize the Sharp-developed Advanced Super View technology to improve the display's viewing angle. ASV is reportedly comparable to the In-Plane Switching technology used in the iPhone 4.

Sharp's new phone will have a 9.6 megapixel autofocus camera and will launch with the older 2.1 version of Android. The handset is currently slated for a Japan-only release.

It has taken Apple's competitors months to catch up to the iPhone 4 display. When the iPhone 4 was announced, it was billed as having "the highest resolution display ever in a phone." According to Apple CEO Steve Jobs, the Retina Display has a resolution that is higher than "the limit of the human retina" at standard viewing levels.
post #2 of 75
Well someone was bound to catch up.
post #3 of 75
...other companies are playing catchup to Apple. I don't think that display resolution on a screen the size of the iPhone's is going to get any higher for the foreseeable future. As time passes this will become the standard, which is fine as that is how technology improves. The thing that matters is what shows up on that screen when the device is turned on.
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The 9 megapixel camera sounds impressive. I know nothing about the quality, but it beats Apple's still camera function (especially in the iPod touch, naturally). Apple really should give serious camera quality updates to as many devices as makes sense.

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The 9 megapixel camera sounds impressive. I know nothing about the quality, but it beats Apple's still camera function (especially in the iPod touch, naturally). Apple really should give serious camera quality updates to as many devices as makes sense.

Oh for god's sake.
9 mp on a device with the optics of a camera does nothing but produce huge files. When will people stop drooling over meaningless numbers?
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Well someone was bound to catch up.

In Japan only, but at what price? And why Android 2.1? What happened to Froyo and flash? Facetime? Inexpensive data plan? Voice and data concurrently? iTunes?
ASV is ASV, different from IPS. So, it's not the retina display, either.
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post #7 of 75
Gotta love competition. Now if we just has some real competition among the phone companies.

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Oh for god's sake.
9 mp on a device with the optics of a camera does nothing but produce huge files. When will people stop drooling over meaningless numbers?
I have an amp with an 11 on the volume dial to sell you.

"it goes to eleven". Love it. one of the best movie lines of all time.

and very poignant on this topic. How good is 9MP on a lens 1/4 the size of a dime?

on the topic of the Sony display. Big deal. anyone can match specs or play the specs game. No one is going to hands down beat an iphone for a while if ever really IMO.
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post #9 of 75
who cares? it still runs android...

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post #11 of 75
Ok. And what about the OS?
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The 9 megapixel camera sounds impressive. I know nothing about the quality, but it beats Apple's still camera function (especially in the iPod touch, naturally). Apple really should give serious camera quality updates to as many devices as makes sense.

I have a little Nikon 10MP point & shoot, and there's no way the camera is functioning at 10 megapixels, despite the claim and the resulting picture size. It's marketing hype. I compared the images to test images obtained from a 10MP Canon DSLR, and the difference is night & day. The DSLR's lenses were not only brighter (they let more light in), but the images were sharp and clear and detailed.

When I hear claims of 9MP I just don't buy it. With the tiny lenses and microscopic focal lengths in these smartphone cameras, I'm amazed that the iPhone 4's camera looks as good as it does.

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post #13 of 75
True, someone was bound to catch up. Sharp has a good reputation for keitai (mobile/cell phone) screens in Japan, for what its worth.
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post #14 of 75
I'm still waiting for the Retina Display MacBook Pro: 2560x1600 13" display, and Mac OS X 10.7 with Resolution Independence.
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I have a little Nikon 10MP point & shoot, and there's no way the camera is functioning at 10 megapixels, despite the claim and the resulting picture size. It's marketing hype. I compared the images to test images obtained from a 10MP Canon DSLR, and the difference is night & day. The DSLR's lenses were not only brighter (they let more light in), but the images were sharp and clear and detailed.

When I hear claims of 9MP I just don't buy it. With the tiny lenses and microscopic focal lengths in these smartphone cameras, I'm amazed that the iPhone 4's camera looks as good as it does.

Usually there's no reason to disbelieve MP counts. The problem is MP is only a count of the sensor sites. The real problem is that it's not a measure of camera quality, despite popular perception otherwise. MP never tells us about the quality of the lens, the sensor size, dynamic range or processing quality. That sort of information is harder to communicate to consumers, a lot of phone makers usually don't try.

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post #16 of 75
GREAT NEWS for Apple fans! How so? This means that the IPHONE5 will have to be even better.
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Ok. And what about the OS?

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Unfortunately, it's running Android 2.1, but let's be honest: the monster hardware might be enough to overcome that little oversight.

Who cares about how you actually *use* the phone, it's all about those little numbers
post #18 of 75
9MP = marketing nonsense + wasted storage space + extra noise (= lower quality).

Hopefully the camera at least has the iPods tap-to-focus/balance, low-light sensor, and HDR. That still wont make up for the image files being twice as large (and twice as slow to view/transfer/process) for no benefit.

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In Japan only, but at what price? And why Android 2.1? What happened to Froyo and flash? Facetime? Inexpensive data plan? Voice and data concurrently? iTunes?
ASV is ASV, different from IPS. So, it's not the retina display, either.

Not just Japan-only... but in November. Even if released on schedule its still not out yet.
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GREAT NEWS for Apple fans! How so? This means that the IPHONE5 will have to be even better.

Nope. I just got an iPhone 4 a week and a half ago on a THREE YEAR contract. (Canada)

I made them promise to tell Apple not to make a better one until I can upgrade in 2 years.

So, no iPhone 5 with better quality/features until late 2012.

So there!

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Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

Nope. I just got an iPhone 4 a week and a half ago on a THREE YEAR contract. (Canada)

I made them promise to tell Apple not to make a better one until I can upgrade in 2 years.

So, no iPhone 5 with better quality/features until late 2012.

So there!


Well done, as mine is only 2 weeks old.
post #21 of 75
Will let the companies leap frog, but one of the things wrong with the Android line is that the hardware is not standardized so a company can double the resolution of the retina display but the apps have to be written to take advantage of it (or other improvements)

At least if Apple improves there's, all developers will be able to exploit it.

Can't believe I went to the Apple Store tonight and they're still out of iPhones. Might have to buy an Android...
post #22 of 75
Good, competition is what drives progress.
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The bottom-line is, Apple is pretty much calling the shots in this industry.

That, in and of itself, is quite amazing, when you think about it (and honestly acknowledge it).
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I have a little Nikon 10MP point & shoot, and there's no way the camera is functioning at 10 megapixels, despite the claim and the resulting picture size. It's marketing hype. I compared the images to test images obtained from a 10MP Canon DSLR, and the difference is night & day. The DSLR's lenses were not only brighter (they let more light in), but the images were sharp and clear and detailed.

When I hear claims of 9MP I just don't buy it. With the tiny lenses and microscopic focal lengths in these smartphone cameras, I'm amazed that the iPhone 4's camera looks as good as it does.

Agreed. I find it laughable when someone compares phone cameras to professional DSLR cameras.

I'll take my Sony DSC-R1 10.3MP Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar Camera for work I want to edit later any day of the week.
post #25 of 75
Yet another phone that doesn't run Flash? I thought Apple was the only "crippled Internet" phone? Hmmm Adobe what's going on.... where's all the FULL INTERNET SMARTPHONES that's supposed to be making the iPhone obsolete?
post #26 of 75
Are they claiming the same pixel density that Apple is?
post #27 of 75
Big deal! And they also have the nerve to call the phone ISO3. What a joke.
Doesn't matter anyway cause I wouldn't touch that crap. I have the iphone 4 and there is nothing better.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram;

The bottom-line is, Apple is pretty much calling the shots in this industry.

That, in and of itself, is quite amazing, when you think about it (and honestly acknowledge it).

Well, when it comes to Flash, it looks to be Apple that is leading the way, tons of these other phones also don't have Flash on it!
post #29 of 75
1) As I recall, ASV had equivalent viewing angle as IPS, but also had lower power usage than IPS. However my info is surely a couple years old so that could have changed with advancements to IPS. Anyone have any updated info on these technologies.

2) It’s interesting that they are also using the same aspect ratio as the iPhone.

3) So are nearly-button-free smartphones gaining a lot of traction in Japan now, or is still mainly the iPhone at this point?


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...other companies are playing catchup to Apple. I don't think that display resolution on a screen the size of the iPhone's is going to get any higher for the foreseeable future. As time passes this will become the standard, which is fine as that is how technology improves. The thing that matters is what shows up on that screen when the device is turned on.

I think Apple choose such a high resolution so they could sit on it for several years, maybe even longer than the last iPhone which retained it’s resolution for at least a year too long. At least that need is pretty much gone for Apple for awhile.

For others, I’m sure they will exceed it. It’s the nature of technology mixed with marketing. Saying your display has a higher resolution than the smartphone industry’s pinnacle device is important to many. Epecially Android users, it helps them sleep better at night.


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In Japan only, but at what price? And why Android 2.1? What happened to Froyo and flash? Facetime? Inexpensive data plan? Voice and data concurrently? iTunes?
ASV is ASV, different from IPS. So, it's not the retina display, either.
So, what's happening to AppleInsider? Lousy reporting here.

1) Your questions are either silly or were answered in the article so perhaps you need reread the article instead of blaming AI for your lack of reading comprehension.

2) It is a Retina Display based on the definition giving by Jobs that a person with 20/20 vision can discern pixels from 10" to 12” away. If it’s been trademarked by Apple or LG then Sharp won’t be using it or will face the consequences. It’s not that hard.


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I'm still waiting for the Retina Display MacBook Pro: 2560x1600 13" display, and Mac OS X 10.7 with Resolution Independence.

That wouldn’t be a “Retina Display” You’d still need a 100ppi on each axis (or 10,000 more pixels per square inch) to match the iPhone’s display. RI would be great, but I wouldn’t RD in any notebooks until after it’s available for the iPad, which I suspect is still a good 5 years away.
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post #30 of 75
This is a good thing. 300+ ppi is really the direction that all displays should be headed. It just makes sense. I agree with astrosmash: I want my retina display MBP.
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Oh for god's sake.
9 mp on a device with the optics of a camera does nothing but produce huge files. When will people stop drooling over meaningless numbers?
I have an amp with an 11 on the volume dial to sell you.

Mine only goes to 10. I'd love one that goes just that one notch louder.
post #32 of 75
Gotta love the increasing fragmentation of the Android platform!
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I wonder if they choose 2.1 because they need to create a custom resolution and aspect ratio for this device. I wonder how that will work for the current apps for Android. Are they designed to work with a 3:2 aspect ratio?
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This is a good thing. 300+ ppi is really the direction that all displays should be headed. It just makes sense. I agree with astrosmash: I want my retina display MBP.

I asked Steve for a retina display for the iPad. No response. I'll take that as a yes

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9 mp on a device with the optics of a camera does nothing but produce huge files.

Maybe I don't understand you correctly, but can you explain what you mean by "device with the optics of a camera"?
post #36 of 75
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

9MP = marketing nonsense + wasted storage space + extra noise (= lower quality).

How do you know this without other information about the device. Using your logic selling a 2MP camera is a waste of time
post #37 of 75
Competition is goo... *falls asleep*

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Sorry, I can't seem to say this without getting bored and conking out. Let me try again: Competi... *falls asleep*
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ASV is ASV, different from IPS. So, it's not the retina display, either.

The iPod touch would like to have a word with you.
post #39 of 75
So...

If Sony thought having 300dpi+ screens was good then why didn't they do it before?

This isn't competition. Competing is where you reach further.

This is where you dump your R&D team, read the news and base your designs on what already exists.

It is pathetic.
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post #40 of 75
Who's going to by a phone from Sharp?

All these wanna-be's do is validate the power of Apple.
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