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One Wall Street analyst has noted that the iPad has outsold the debuts of other popular electronic devices, including the original iPhone and the DVD player.

Of course, initial sales of the iPad already well exceeded both the iPhone and DVD player months ago. Apple already revealed in July that it sold 3.27 million iPads in its first three months of availability, though the company has not updated sales figures since.

But Colin McGranahan, retail analyst with Bernstein Research, put the numbers in perspective by comparing them to the iPhone, which took 74 days to sell its first million -- a fact highlighted by Apple itself this year, when the iPad reached a million in just 28 days. He also mentioned the launch of the DVD player in 1997, when 350,000 units were sold.

McGranahan has arrived at the conclusion that the iPad is the fastest selling non-phone electronic product ever, and is on pace to pass game consoles and basic cell phones to become the fourth-largest consumer product category in the U.S. next year. He sees iPad sales of more than $9 billion in 2011, leaving it only smaller than the markets for TVs, smartphones and notebook computers.

The analyst sees Apple selling another 4.5 million iPads in the just-concluded fourth quarter of the company's fiscal year 2010. Apple will reveal actual sales in its quarterly earnings report, set for Monday, Oct. 18, at 5 p.m. Eastern, 2 p.m. Pacific.
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The analyst sees Apple selling another 4.5 million iPads in the just-concluded fourth quarter of the company's fiscal year 2010. Apple will reveal actual sales in its quarterly earnings report, set for Monday, Oct. 18, at 5 p.m. Eastern, 2 p.m. Pacific.

Mates July-Sep 2010 quarter is minimum 6 million iPads sold. Minimum. It could be up to 9 million if we're modelling between 2-3 million iPads a month which should be what they are producing by now. If they haven't been making at least 2 million iPads a month the past few months, something would have to be VERY VERY wrong at Apple.

Remember as well the global rollout of iPad has NOT EVEN BEGUN. Only very few selected countries carry it.

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Mates July-Sep 2010 quarter is minimum 6 million iPads sold. Minimum. It could be up to 9 million if we're modelling between 2-3 million iPads a month which should be what they are producing by now. If they haven't been making at least 2 million iPads a month the past few months, something would have to be VERY VERY wrong at Apple.

Remember as well the global rollout of iPad has NOT EVEN BEGUN. Only very few selected countries carry it.

AND 1st POST W00T

And imagine if we were living in a decent economy. Most countries, including the U.S., are still effectively in a recession, even if the U.S. recession was officially declared "over". Consumer confidence is still very low.
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People criticise the device - it doesn't do x, y or z - it doesn't have a, b or c port/feature/plug-in.

This should be a big lesson for people that Apple understand what the CONSUMER wants, not what the tech community want. Analysts, pundits and 'experts' have done the fastest possible u-turn within a year. We've gone from 'it's an oversize iPod with no place in the market' to 'it'll sell around 30 million in the first 18 months'.

All the so-called experts need to admit that they got this one wrong, just as their predictions at the launch of the iMac, iPod and iPhone were wrong.

Some people never learn.
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And imagine if we were living in a decent economy. Most countries, including the U.S., are still effectively in a recession, even if the U.S. recession was officially declared "over". Consumer confidence is still very low.

Yeah... The sentiment in the US and Europe, the core areas where the iPad has been released, is pretty grim. And yet Apple is doing so well in the US and Europe!
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People criticise the device - it doesn't do x, y or z - it doesn't have a, b or c port/feature/plug-in.

This should be a big lesson for people that Apple understand what the CONSUMER wants, not what the tech community want. Analysts, pundits and 'experts' have done the fastest possible u-turn within a year. We've gone from 'it's an oversize iPod with no place in the market' to 'it'll sell around 30 million in the first 18 months'.

All the so-called experts need to admit that they got this one wrong, just as their predictions at the launch of the iMac, iPod and iPhone were wrong.

Some people never learn.

I didn't love my iPad the first week I had it.... But it is now indispensable to me. If I broke it, it would-be replaced that day. Or the next at the latest.
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But.... but...... it's just a large iPod Touch!?
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But.... but...... it's just a large iPod Touch!?

And for every 3 iPods they now sell 2+ iPads.
Pretty amazing, isn't it.
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I didn't love my iPad the first week I had it.... But it is now indispensable to me. If I broke it, it would-be replaced that day. Or the next at the latest.

Neither did I. I am still not taken with my new one but I am enjoying it more as there are more apps for it and Im enjoying the features of iOS 4.2.


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But.... but...... it's just a large iPod Touch!?

But.... but... it doesnt have Flash.
But.... but... it doesnt have full desktop OS.
But.... but... it doesnt have multiple USB ports, HDMI, VGA or component out.
But.... but... it costs twice as much a netbook.
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Mates July-Sep 2010 quarter is minimum 6 million iPads sold. Minimum. It could be up to 9 million if we're modelling between 2-3 million iPads a month which should be what they are producing by now. If they haven't been making at least 2 million iPads a month the past few months, something would have to be VERY VERY wrong at Apple.

Remember as well the global rollout of iPad has NOT EVEN BEGUN. Only very few selected countries carry it.

AND 1st POST W00T

Well, the rollout has begun in the larger countries where sales would be higher. It's ridculous to assume, as the author of this article has, that ANY product continues selling at the same pace as it does during its initial sales period. First of all, the advertising and hype surrounding a product is most powerful during its initial release. To think Apple is continuing at the same pace with the iPad is ridiculous. If Apple sold 3.5 million pads in the first three months (AND APPLE HAS BEEN DRAGGING ITS FEET RELEASING THE LATEST SALES FIGURES, I WONDER WHY?) I think you can expect to see about 1.75 million more sold when the release the latest figures on Oct 18. And sales will dwindle from there. I don't know where these "analysts" get there figures from. "Um, well, they sold 2 million the first month. so that means 24 million a year!" Get real folks. On a personal note, I've only seen 1 pad out in the real world in the last four months, and thats coming from a habitue of coffee shops!
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I didn't love my iPad the first week I had it.... But it is now indispensable to me. If I broke it, it would-be replaced that day. Or the next at the latest.

I just bought my first iBookstore book for $2.99 (Mark Errett - Tips and Tricks: iPhone Secrets) and I have the sample for Portable Genius - iPhone 4 ...Not bad, them newfangled delivery system. One thing is for sure, how the heck do you read this on a Kindle or Nook? I need proper text, headings, type and full colour PICTURES.

Throw in Zinio (which is not that bad to me, for casual browsing, haven't bought anything until they sort out selling discounted per-issue magazines not subscriptions of something I won't even know if I'm going to read two months from now)...
And overall that's just the e-reader functions of the iPad.
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And imagine if we were living in a decent economy. Most countries, including the U.S., are still effectively in a recession, even if the U.S. recession was officially declared "over". Consumer confidence is still very low.

Right, and this rate of sales is more indication that portable computing will BE the new economy. All that ia lacking is the realization that we have moved beyond the wired, center-to-margin economy, and into the wireless, everyone-to-everywhere economy.

Confidence? How about enthusiasm? It's why the Apple story is the biggest story out there: it's *good* news, for a change.
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Well, the rollout has begun in the larger countries where sales would be higher. It's ridculous to assume, as the author of this article has, that ANY product continues selling at the same pace as it does during its initial sales period. First of all, the advertising and hype surrounding a product is most powerful during its initial release. To think Apple is continuing at the same pace with the iPad is ridiculous. If Apple sold 3.5 million pads in the first three months (AND APPLE HAS BEEN DRAGGING ITS FEET RELEASING THE LATEST SALES FIGURES, I WONDER WHY?) I think you can expect to see about 1.75 million more sold when the release the latest figures on Oct 18. And sales will dwindle from there. I don't know where these "analysts" get there figures from. "Um, well, they sold 2 million the first month. so that means 24 million a year!" Get real folks. On a personal note, I've only seen 1 pad out in the real world in the last four months, and thats coming from a habitue of coffee shops!

Prepare yourself to be humiliated.
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....I predicted these very results back in February 3rd, 2010.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...00#post1565500

In case you don't click on the reference link, here is the post:

WHY the iPad will be a HUGE SUCCESS and will truly change the way people use "mobile" computers.

So many pundits, bloggers and ANALysts are really missing the elephant in the room.

"Oh, it's just a big iPod Touch".
"No one really needs this".
"The market segment is not defined" .blah blah blah

It's 100% the Operating System and the User Interface.

Complete computer illiterate's will be able to pick one up and just use it.
The iPhone and iPod installed base is just a small piece of the market.
And when the Apps, specific to this platform take off, millions will be sold.
Wait till you see the New Apple iPad commercials, showing off Apps.

Fast forward to Jan 2012

If Windows and Linux do not begin a complete re-write, from the ground-up, of what a "native touch operating system" IS (ex. iPhone OS), Apple will have a five year head-start on All other operating systems (as it pertains to "a true, intuitive, mature, simple, yet Powerful touch UI). I am no genius but I'll bet my house that what you see in this video will NEVER EVER succeed "touch-wise"....EVER!! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/e...t-strictly-me/)

Android looks like it might be the only remaining competitor to Apple, OS-wise, but which company is even setup to deliver the the complete product?
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McGranahan has arrived at the conclusion that the iPad is the fastest selling non-phone electronic product ever, and is on pace to pass game consoles and basic cell phones to become the fourth-largest consumer product category in the U.S. next year. He sees iPad sales of more than $9 billion in 2011, leaving it only smaller than the markets for TVs, smartphones and notebook computers.

I'm telling y'all, Apple is going to make a play for that tv market.
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Well, the rollout has begun in the larger countries where sales would be higher. It's ridculous to assume, as the author of this article has, that ANY product continues selling at the same pace as it does during its initial sales period. First of all, the advertising and hype surrounding a product is most powerful during its initial release. To think Apple is continuing at the same pace with the iPad is ridiculous. If Apple sold 3.5 million pads in the first three months (AND APPLE HAS BEEN DRAGGING ITS FEET RELEASING THE LATEST SALES FIGURES, I WONDER WHY?) I think you can expect to see about 1.75 million more sold when the release the latest figures on Oct 18. And sales will dwindle from there. I don't know where these "analysts" get there figures from. "Um, well, they sold 2 million the first month. so that means 24 million a year!" Get real folks. On a personal note, I've only seen 1 pad out in the real world in the last four months, and thats coming from a habitue of coffee shops!

Why do these one post idiot show up... and I only highlight one fact which shows they have no clue

Do you have to wonder why, there are rules around what Apple can and can not release as part of a public disclosure during a period leading up to quarter end. This could be seen as an attempt to manipulated the stock in the company. Plus Apples does not need to do this we have enough idiot analysis attempting to do that on daily basis.

You better go short apple stock because of your prediction of eminent doom
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Well, the rollout has begun in the larger countries where sales would be higher. It's ridculous to assume, as the author of this article has, that ANY product continues selling at the same pace as it does during its initial sales period. First of all, the advertising and hype surrounding a product is most powerful during its initial release. To think Apple is continuing at the same pace with the iPad is ridiculous. If Apple sold 3.5 million pads in the first three months (AND APPLE HAS BEEN DRAGGING ITS FEET RELEASING THE LATEST SALES FIGURES, I WONDER WHY?) I think you can expect to see about 1.75 million more sold when the release the latest figures on Oct 18. And sales will dwindle from there. I don't know where these "analysts" get there figures from. "Um, well, they sold 2 million the first month. so that means 24 million a year!" Get real folks. On a personal note, I've only seen 1 pad out in the real world in the last four months, and thats coming from a habitue of coffee shops!

This is where I propose you are 100% wrong.

The latest figures indicate 50% of Apple's revenue comes from outside the US.

Therefore, we need a global perspective.

Your first assumption of a slowdown is within a defined market, where you mention essentially a saturation effect. However, in the global market, the iPad has barely put its feet in the water. "Larger countries where sales would be higher" is debatable since smaller countries will add up to a large volume of sales, which is how the iPhone 3GS did so well and how the iPhone 4 is storming the charts and is so totally sold out globally.

There are also some relatively small (though high GDP) countries in the list, as bolded: Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom, then Austria, Belgium, Hong Kong, Ireland, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand and Singapore. China has limited official unit availability and only 4 official Apple Stores, just opened.

Your second assumption is also incorrect, I think. You are postulating that whatever initial production was the most they would want to make. But if they are making more, say about 3 million per month, and the demand is there, then of course it is possible to sell more in Jul-Sep 2010 than in Apr-Jun 2010.

Apple has been "dragging its feet" because it's going to drop the BOMB on how well iPad has been doing and how the heck it is going to actually be released in the rest of the world.
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Prepare yourself to be humiliated.

The date of chengito's humiliation has been set for Monday October 18.

See you after the conference call, assuming I don't stub my toe on one of these large sacks of money strewn about the place.

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....I predicted these very results back in February 3rd, 2010.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...00#post1565500

In case you don't click on the reference link, here is the post:

WHY the iPad will be a HUGE SUCCESS and will truly change the way people use "mobile" computers.

So many pundits, bloggers and ANALysts are really missing the elephant in the room.

"Oh, it's just a big iPod Touch".
"No one really needs this".
"The market segment is not defined" .blah blah blah

It's 100% the Operating System and the User Interface.

Complete computer illiterate's will be able to pick one up and just use it.
The iPhone and iPod installed base is just a small piece of the market.
And when the Apps, specific to this platform take off, millions will be sold.
Wait till you see the New Apple iPad commercials, showing off Apps.

Fast forward to Jan 2012

If Windows and Linux do not begin a complete re-write, from the ground-up, of what a "native touch operating system" IS (ex. iPhone OS), Apple will have a five year head-start on All other operating systems (as it pertains to "a true, intuitive, mature, simple, yet Powerful touch UI). I am no genius but I'll bet my house that what you see in this video will NEVER EVER succeed "touch-wise"....EVER!! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/e...t-strictly-me/)

Android looks like it might be the only remaining competitor to Apple, OS-wise, but which company is even setup to deliver the the complete product?


I have to agree, Steve made numerous comments about how table computers are not going change how people use computers. There has to be a completely different way people interact with content and their information and he made these statements prior to the iPad intro. Again too many people are missing the bigger picture is that Apples deliver and overall user experience they do not just sell device or hardware or software or even content, they are selling people the experience. It like going to Disney World, it not a hotel or theme part or restaurant it and adventure or experience to the kids, why do people keep going back because the experience is pleasant and it the same thing you get with Apple.

No other company today can provide the experience. They can provide hardward, or software or content but not in a single experience. Yes other companies will continue to successful because they do it cheaper or a little differently, but those people would probably never buy Apple in the first place.
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Well I'm actually happy for Apple. They've accomplished to make a tablet computer popular to the average user. Hell, I've been toting my Motion Tablet around for years and the only reaction I got was a strange look and questions about what I'm using. Now, I just get asked if my six year old tablet is an ipad.

If Apple adds mouse support anytime soon, I could see these devices replacing laptops, or at least netbooks. It's portable, minimal, and performs its limited functions well. While it may not be a techies wet dream with bells and whistles, it fits nicely with the other 95% of the US population that's not very tech oriented (relative to our culture, not internationally). For those who want a device that does everything in a portable, touch screen form factor, then take a look at the $2500 Motion tablets.

That's not to say others won't follow in Apple's footsteps in an attempt to recreate Apple's success, and these devices will be more suitable for the major geeks, but for the average consumer, I'm still recommending the iPad instead of laptops. Who needs a full blown Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux when all they want to do is check email, show off some photos, surf the web, play simplistic games, and maybe create a few simple Word docs and maybe a spreadsheet or two. If we throw in mouse support then we can have greater precision. I'm hoping that Apple's recent patent applications for convertable OS based on screen orientation is a development for an iPad base station and not turning imacs into giant touchscreens.
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People criticise the device - it doesn't do x, y or z - it doesn't have a, b or c port/feature/plug-in.

This should be a big lesson for people that Apple understand what the CONSUMER wants, not what the tech community want. Analysts, pundits and 'experts' have done the fastest possible u-turn within a year. We've gone from 'it's an oversize iPod with no place in the market' to 'it'll sell around 30 million in the first 18 months'.

All the so-called experts need to admit that they got this one wrong, just as their predictions at the launch of the iMac, iPod and iPhone were wrong.

Some people never learn.

Your post is so spot-on the money that it bears repeating. The "tech-spec weenie" crowd is so balled up in ports, mHz, Megabytes, "open source" that they can't see reality in the consumer mindset. And when a product like the iPod, iPhone, iPad suceeds they simply label the buyers ignorant lemmings.
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But.... but... it doesnt have Flash.
But.... but... it doesnt have full desktop OS.
But.... but... it doesnt have multiple USB ports, HDMI, VGA or component out.
But.... but... it costs twice as much a netbook.

That's a lot of buts and some of them are big.

Oh wow! Now I understand the popularity of the iPad.

It's all the Sir Mix-A-Lot fans.
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I'm amazed how many I see flying... but I am also amazed at how few I do see in coffee shops outside the biggest cities. I was in a high-end neighborhood in St. Louis this weekend at a Starbucks, and not one iPad among 7-10 nondescript laptops. Most of the people had iPhones though, so give it time. (It is possible that the people with laptops are doing functions that are only practical on a laptop, but I kind of doubt it.)

One thing that is hard for people is figuring out how the iPad fits into their life if they have an iPhone or BB plus a laptop already. They will figure it out in time, and that is what offers the growth potential.

Leveraged at about 2.6x right now with my Apple holdings. Looking forward to the next 2-3 weeks!
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I don't think it's really fair to compare the iPad to the DVD or the iPhone. When all is said and done, it really is effectively a large iPod touch. Yes, the larger screen made a difference in terms of market acceptance, but it used the existing infrastructure in terms of a well-stocked App Store. On the other hand, the DVD player and the iPhone both had to start from square one, so of course they didn't sell as well.
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The same idiots that said the iPad would fail are now whining about the new Apple TV.
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post

....I predicted these very results back in February 3rd, 2010.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...00#post1565500

In case you don't click on the reference link, here is the post:

WHY the iPad will be a HUGE SUCCESS and will truly change the way people use "mobile" computers.

So many pundits, bloggers and ANALysts are really missing the elephant in the room.

"Oh, it's just a big iPod Touch".
"No one really needs this".
"The market segment is not defined" .blah blah blah

It's 100% the Operating System and the User Interface.

Complete computer illiterate's will be able to pick one up and just use it.
The iPhone and iPod installed base is just a small piece of the market.
And when the Apps, specific to this platform take off, millions will be sold.
Wait till you see the New Apple iPad commercials, showing off Apps.

Fast forward to Jan 2012

If Windows and Linux do not begin a complete re-write, from the ground-up, of what a "native touch operating system" IS (ex. iPhone OS), Apple will have a five year head-start on All other operating systems (as it pertains to "a true, intuitive, mature, simple, yet Powerful touch UI). I am no genius but I'll bet my house that what you see in this video will NEVER EVER succeed "touch-wise"....EVER!! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/e...t-strictly-me/)

Android looks like it might be the only remaining competitor to Apple, OS-wise, but which company is even setup to deliver the the complete product?

Credit where it is due, vampire-slayer-slayer. Good call, especially on the first line. I gave one to my mom, who is terrified of the 'anti-virus (or anything else) has expired' flaming red warnings on her desktop, is ALL over facebook, reconnecting with friends, SENDING ME EMAILs. I had my commercial moment where I showed her how to send an email using mail and she said "It's so easy!". I kid you not. It is the truth. She feels liberated and not beholden to condescending folks (like me, I have to admit. Even when tech literate are nice, they are condescending).
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....I predicted these very results back in February 3rd, 2010.

It's 100% the Operating System and the User Interface.

Complete computer illiterate's will be able to pick one up and just use it.
The iPhone and iPod installed base is just a small piece of the market.
And when the Apps, specific to this platform take off, millions will be sold.
Wait till you see the New Apple iPad commercials, showing off Apps.


Android looks like it might be the only remaining competitor to Apple, OS-wise, but which company is even setup to deliver the the complete product?

Quite right. What people tend to forget is that Apple built an entire ecosystem, and saying that the iPad is "just" a large iPod Touch completely misses the forest for the trees. Each of the predecessor devices prepared the consuming public for the release of the iPad. More correctly the iPod Touch is just a smaller iPad. The whole reason that the iPad became to popular so quickly is the simple fact that consumers were carefully prepared for and trained to use the interface by Apple. This is why the iPad went off the charts so fast, instead of the usual ramp-up of previous devices - so fast that even Apple was caught by surprise.

We as consumers have been stalled at the tradition user interface for far too long (especially as measured in "tech years"), and Apple saw an opportunity to break that stall and move us ahead into the 21st century. And yes, everyone settle down, the traditional interface isn't dead - it's still needed. But for regular "technical" or data entry use. For day-to-day interfacing and casual creation the touch interface is ideal.

As far as sales are concerned, several respondants nailed the objections cited above to the wall nicely. As supply begins to catch-up to demand sales will continue to increase, and yes eventually it will plateau out at some point. But have you ever noticed that just as sales start to flatten out, Apple brings out the next upgrade version? Timing is everything (sometimes) and Apple has this down to a fine art it seems. I don't miss Flash except under very special circumstances. For what I use the iPad for - the need for a full desktop OS is not evident, ports aren't even an issue for my day-to-day casual use, and while I have used netbooks as required by my work - I sure would not have ever paid my own money for such a complete waste of plastic. Performance-wise alone the iPad has left most of the netbooks I've used facing the other direction at the starting line. Instead of a miniature keyboard, under-powered desktop OS, wannabe notebook computer, I have a quick and nimble direct interface into the work I need to do. 'Nuf said.
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that's a lot of buts and some of them are big.

Oh wow! Now i understand the popularity of the ipad.

It's all the sir mix-a-lot fans.

hahhahahah
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But.... but...... it's just a large iPod Touch!?

I personally think that the fact that it can be thought of as a large iPod Touch is the genius part of the iPad.

Considering it was a new product category (yes I know slate type computers existed before, just not real popular), it helps that the potential buyer can conceive of what the device can do, and it doesn't take much from there to see what the potential can be. Plus he/she already knows how to use it and may already own some apps from the iPhone/iPod Touch that could be used on the new device.

It also helped that competitors and other naysayers were so busy sniggering that it is "just" a large iPod touch that the amazing popularity of the device from the get-go just left them with their knickers down. Now they are scrambling to come up with a response and will likely be a day late and a dollar short. They can copy the hardware all they want, but until they figure out that the value lies in the ecosystem all they will have is a "me too" languishing product.

Those of you that think that the sales numbers are exaggerated, then put your money where your mouth is and short AAPL stock just before the numbers. Go for it. We need someone on the other side of the trade.
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I don't think it's really fair to compare the iPad to the DVD or the iPhone. When all is said and done, it really is effectively a large iPod touch. Yes, the larger screen made a difference in terms of market acceptance, but it used the existing infrastructure in terms of a well-stocked App Store. On the other hand, the DVD player and the iPhone both had to start from square one, so of course they didn't sell as well.

It's actually a very good comparison - both were evolutions of existing technology. Both the DVD and iPhone were launched into market places that already had VCRs/video discs (remember them?) and smart phones. The fact that Apple got all the pieces into place before making the move is to their credit, and I believe they are currently doing the same for the AppleTV, which will remain a $99 toy until the pieces of the puzzle are all sorted; hopefully by that time there will be a significant user base already in place with such a low price point.

When "all is said and done" you might as well call a 60" hd screen a larger version of a 21" CRT television. The iPad/iPod comparison is pointless, and superficial.
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That's a lot of buts and some of them are big.

Oh wow! Now I understand the popularity of the iPad.

It's all the Sir Mix-A-Lot fans.




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I don't think it's really fair to compare the iPad to the DVD or the iPhone. When all is said and done, it really is effectively a large iPod touch. Yes, the larger screen made a difference in terms of market acceptance, but it used the existing infrastructure in terms of a well-stocked App Store. On the other hand, the DVD player and the iPhone both had to start from square one, so of course they didn't sell as well.

The iPad was quite a bold new form factor in a "niche market". Remember, the iPhone had major AT&T backing. iPad[3G] went out fully unlocked and in almost all countries not marketed by telcos but Apple themselves.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

It's actually a very good comparison - both were evolutions of existing technology. Both the DVD and iPhone were launched into market places that already had VCRs/video discs (remember them?) and smart phones. The fact that Apple got all the pieces into place before making the move is to their credit, and I believe they are currently doing the same for the AppleTV, which will remain a $99 toy until the pieces of the puzzle are all sorted; hopefully by that time there will be a significant user base already in place with such a low price point.

Apple didn't "get all the piece into place before making the move." They reused existing content which was developed for other devices, namely the iPhone and iPod touch. VCRs and DVDs had nothing in common. DVD players can't play VHS tapes. Adoption didn't pick up until there was a good number of DVDs available for people to buy for the players. iPads can run iPod touch apps. The iPhone was not an extension of smartphones. It couldn't any apps from any existing platform. They started from a blank slate, which is why adoption was relatively slow.

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When "all is said and done" you might as well call a 60" hd screen a larger version of a 21" CRT television. The iPad/iPod comparison is pointless, and superficial.

That makes no sense whatsoever. An HDTV has virtually no components in common with a 21" CRT, whereas the iPad and iPod touch use many of the same components, only one has a larger screen. Your argument is pointless and superficial.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Apple didn't "get all the piece into place before making the move." They reused existing content which was developed for other devices, namely the iPhone and iPod touch. VCRs and DVDs had nothing in common. DVD players can't play VHS tapes. Adoption didn't pick up until there was a good number of DVDs available for people to buy for the players. iPads can run iPod touch apps. The iPhone was not an extension of smartphones. It couldn't any apps from any existing platform. They started from a blank slate, which is why adoption was relatively slow.

That makes no sense whatsoever. An HDTV has virtually no components in common with a 21" CRT, whereas the iPad and iPod touch use many of the same components, only one has a larger screen. Your argument is pointless and superficial.

You make a convincing argument. Well done.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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The same idiots that said the iPad would fail are now whining about the new Apple TV.

I don't how you would categorize me, but I have absolutely loved my iPad since Day 1 (5/5), but I think the new AppleTV is a disaster (1.5/5). In case you're wondering, the old AppleTV would merit a 4/5.
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I don't how you would categorize me, but I have absolutely loved my iPad since Day 1 (5/5), but I think the new AppleTV is a disaster (1.5/5). In case you're wondering, the old AppleTV would merit a 4/5.

Any details? Just the lock-in, or bigger issues than that?
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<3 my ipad. But it doesn't replace my netbook, which I use to run uTorrent and PS3 media server.

iPad2 16 GB
iPhone 5 32 GB

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Do you hear that sound?

That's the sound of Steve Balmer's teeth grinding together....
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I don't how you would categorize me, but I have absolutely loved my iPad since Day 1 (5/5), but I think the new AppleTV is a disaster (1.5/5). In case you're wondering, the old AppleTV would merit a 4/5.

Wow! I have both the old and new AppleTV, and I think the new one trumps the old one hands downs. The old AppleTV was mainly tied to iTunes store. That's not the case with the new and improved AppleTv.

I've been playing around with AirPlay - basically using my iPad as a remote. While using my iPad as a remote, I can navigate to any of my favorite sites, click on any video, click AirPlay and boom - the content streams directly to my AppleTv. Here are just a few sites:


DailyMotion




VideoJug




Vimeo




Veetle


ESPN


Let's not forget Hulu and Netflix...the list goes on and on. And this doesn't even include music,ie., Pandora and Tunein Radio etc.

Already this week we've learned the new AppleTV can handle apps. I'm sorry man, but the old AppleTV can't hold a candle to this.

Now that's video content at your fingertips.
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Reading Scott Moritz comments on Apple (aapl) is akin to slowing down to observe an automobile accident aftermath: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10669...ple-iflop.html
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If the iPad doesn't do it all, I think that's exactly what consumers should be expecting when they buy one. Apple isn't marketing the iPad as a laptop or desktop replacement. Sadly there are millions of consumers out there who are, no offence intended, clueless when it comes to technology.

I attribute it to laziness. A lot of people simply don't want to take the time to figure out what they've got and what it can do. Numerous netbooks purchasers wound up disappointed because they were buying those devices with the expectation that they'd be getting a full-function computer at a bargain price. The misconception is understandable because netbooks are, more or less, shrunken laptops with the same form factor. The iPad, I thought, was less confusing in that it has been offered up, right from the start, as something of a product fitting into a different category.

Yet it's really not valid to argue that the iPad is an entirely new product that has enjoyed rapid acceptance. In many ways the iPad is a logical next step in the evolution of devices that had their genesis in the iPod. It is very much an extremely large Touch, which is a good thing. If there are those whining that the iPad isn't a laptop alternative, all one can say is, that's right, it's not a laptop alternative. It's a less portable alternative to the Touch with advanatages resulting from a much larger screen. Apple doesn't want to see laptop and desktop sales plummet with consumers flocking to touchscreen devices instead. Rather, in an ideal scenario, the iPad is a product that is purchased in addition to a laptop or desktop, for those who need the extra connectivity and power that those devices possess. I don't think that these days there are many of us who could make do with the meagre RAM the iPad comes with to store all of our digital content. That's not the idea at all. But if you can consume content on a convenient device tethered to a more capable one, that's a good thing.
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