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post #41 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Bibbler View Post

The best post I have ever seen on an Apple Fan Site!! FINALLY, someone understands.

Market share absolutely matters to developers, and by extension should matter to end users . If there's one thing Ballmer has right (and he doesn't have much), it's DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!! I HAVE to have a Windows machine sitting next to my Mac - I have to have AutoCad, I have to have Oracle Primavera PPM, I have to Loadspring (which requires IE), I have to have several other pieces of Engineering software that isn't available on the Mac. Why isn't it???? Because developers have little interest in developing their software for a machine with a 5% market share...

Same thing WILL happen to iOS if Jobs doesn't wake up..

And PLEASE, some of you, what the hell do I care as an end user what Apple's "Margin is", or "how much profit they make".... I could care less.. I would much rather the Mac and the iPhone to have industry standard software available to it - and the Mac doesn't and iOS won't if Jobs doesn't get his head out of his ass (again)....

The problem is that people who get their phone for free and have it loaded by Verizon with all kinds of confusing options are a lot less likely to buy an app. The sell-through rate for Android apps is abysmal. Despite Android overtaking iOS in the smartphone market (if you exclude iPod Touch, iPad, and AppleTV), the vast majority of the money to be made by developers is on iOS and that is changing far, far less rapidly. As long as that remains the case market share really doesn't matter.

I agree that going to Verizon is important for Apple so they can go toe-to-toe with Android. But only if Verizon isn't going to ruin the iPhone experience. That will devalue the product beyond any gains the market share would boost it for developers.

Besides, T-Mobile and Sprint together are more people than Verizon, so Apple shouldn't feel like Verizon is necessarily the only target here. If everyone but Verizon had the iPhone they'd have a lot more bargaining power to keep the iPhone's quality up despite Verizon demands.
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post #42 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:10pm
In reply to the various people who think Google is just walking over Apple and Google is making big bonks of money with a safe profit scheme consider this:

-- Many Android phones are being loaded with Bing, Yahoo and Baidu. (Msft for example pays some OEMS and carriers more to load Bing. Verizon recently had a big Bing promotion, whether that affects Android phones is unclear)
-- Some phones are loaded with their own non Google Apps. Some of these phones are locked onto their own App stores. You can't even download apps from Google Android market.
-- People are opening their own App stores selling apps, music etc and cutting Google out.

Example:
Engadget on Moto Backflip:
"Yahoo has replaced Google as the default search provider throughout the phone. It's crazy: the home screen widget, the browser, everything's been programmed to use Yahoo.
t's filled to the brim with pre-loaded AT&T stuff: AllSport GPS, AT&T Maps, AT&T Music (which takes the place of the standard Music app), AT&T Navigator, AT&T Wi-Fi Hotspots, Mobile Banking, MobiTV, MusicID, Where, and YPmobile. We strongly prefer the approach of offering a special branded Android Market portal where you can download your carrier's recommended apps."

-- the Android OS is fractured. NEW devices like the Dell streak is coming out with Android 1.6 so are many of the cheap Chinese phones. Some of these phones are locked down or come with the carriers on crap ware apps.
This frustrates third party developers no end.
-- Android market share share numbers are often ONLY compared to iPhone and not IOS. IOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) is huge and there is no danger to developer loss.
-- Android numbers are boosted by Android being loaded onto a myriad of cheap phones. Some (like cheap ones in China) like I said doesn't even come with Google search or apps, some can't even run apps. (i.e Market share doesn't necessarily equal big opportunity for developers).

-- Google pays Apple to be on iOS.
-- Other companies like Apple are going into mobile advertising. IADs according to some is already making significant impact.

-- AND people don't get this too: if a consumer is looking at a Google ad on his mobile phone he's probably NOT looking at it on his laptop/desktop at the SAME time. Sum gain for Google in page-view earnings is ZERO. If someone buys 3 Apple devices: laptop, phone etc : Apple makes money on All of them.

-- Finally if Android is such a big freaking success THINK ABOUT THIS:

when Android was first announced 3 years ago Google was LARGER than Apple in market cap. Apple passed Google in 2009. Now with Android out for a few years Apple is 100 BILLION $ larger than Google (approx 289 to 170 b)! Big investors who hold most of Google and Apple stock don't seem to believe in Android's massive profit ability as some Google fans do.
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post #43 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:11pm
Owning an Android is NOT an endorsement of its OS! I have a Droid X because Verizon basically gave it to me. That and I didn't want to leave what in my region is widely recognized (and based on my own experience) as a superior network. With the money I saved, I'm about 1/3 of the way to a new 64GB iPad! But the Droid has been an endless source of frustration. Despite updating to Froyo 2.2, it still won't sync with my corporate exchange server - and this is a known issue for Motorola! All of the apps I've gotten are free. I only buy apps for my iPod Touch, which I love. I only wish I had an iphone......and when my remaining 21 months of purgatory is over, that's what I'll be getting, Verizon or no Verizon.
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post #44 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:12pm
Windows: bad copy of Mac OS, lowest-common-denominator across multiple hardware vendors.

Android: bad copy of iOS, lowest-common-denominator across multiple hardware vendors.

But Android wasn't always a bad copy of iOS. It was originally a bad copy of BlackBerry OS.
Here's an image from Wikipedia of one of the first Android phones. Apple released iPhone
and it was back to the drawing board at Google.




So in one sense Android is the new Windows. Bad copy of Apple's software.
On the other hand, Windows makes tons of money for Microsoft through OEM
licenses. But Android makes zero $$$ for Google because they're dumping it on
the market for free. Google will need to ramp up AdMob and the carriers
will need to load up their Android phones with yet more spamware to make money.

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post #45 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by rwheadon View Post

I am not an analyst, so the image alone made me laugh.

"Fading"... let me guess, the metrics were run first, then the quadrants were defined to slant the meaning of study results.

I like Apple... but those drawings look totally bogus.

The link was provided so that you could obtain Dediu's rationale, but I'll save you the click:

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I chose to label the quadrants to indicate the possible categorization of the companies.

* Dominant: large market share and large profit share
* Star: low market share with large profit share
* Fading: high market share with low profit
* Marginal: low market share and low profit
...

This model is only an observation of the shifts in market power and is not conclusive about where share was gained or lost, however there is compelling symmetry which also matches the intuition of observers.

FYI, variants of the growth-share matrix (BCG Matrix) have been in use since '68 and not created by Dediu (a former Nokia manager) for purposes of obfuscating a bias.
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post #46 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:32pm
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The data, released on Monday, covers a six-month period of U.S. that went through the August.

What the hell does this mean?

Why is the grammar so bad in AI articles?
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post #47 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:37pm
This article heading should be changed to.

"The total combined sales of all 63 Android phone models finally overtake the sales of the iPhone"

(Not sure of the number of Android phones there are out there but I thought I read somewhere that there were now 63 different models)

I doubt this survey counts all iOS devices verses all Android devices. It is not counting the iPod Touch or the iPad. It is also probably only looking at US sales and not Worldwide sales of both.
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post #48 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

Not the issue.

Over here in UK, the picture is pretty similar and iPhone is on all networks.


problem for Apple is their greed and the total cost of ownership compared to a similar Android phone is far higher.

Same Carrier, same tariff, same data allowance.

Galaxy S = 24mths x £20 & free phone = TCO £480

iPhone 4 = 24mths x £30 plus £99 for phone = TCO £819

the S is arguably a better piece of hardware, certainly a better phone so why would people pay 70 or 80% for the inferior product?

this isn't a big mystery.

Could you supply a reference?

The only one I have says that the Free Galaxy S lists at £30 a month.
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post #49 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by davebarnes View Post

Doomed, I tell you, doomed.
This fascination with market share (by definition, a zero-sum game) is just silly. I know it generates page views, but let's be serious.
What counts is selling stuff at a profit.

Totally correct.
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post #50 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by bluedalmatian View Post

What the hell does this mean?

Why is the grammar so bad in AI articles?

More of a typo / editing error than a grammar error IMHO.
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post #51 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post

The link was provided so that you could obtain Dediu's rationale, but I'll save you the click:



FYI, variants of the growth-share matrix (BCG Matrix) have been in use since '68 and not created by Dediu (a former Nokia manager) for purposes of obfuscating a bias.

Thank you very much for your kind gesture and response. It was helpful since I grow weary of reading statistical studies that in the end are simply an exercise and yield nothing directly meaningful to ME. (and of course it's all about me)

You likely would agree that a growing segment could also pass through that "Fading" portion and thus came my amusement.
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post #52 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by archipellago View Post

re-posted due to blindness...





try researching before spouting utter tosh..


You probably know google gives android away for free. You might think android development still costs google money. Well, ceo eric schmidt tells newsweek's dan lyons that android phones already generate enough new ad revenue to cover google's costs.

http://gizmodo.com/5655462/in-case-y...le-makes-money



zero....z-e-r-o....zero.


ANDROID SECURITY ALERT: Android wallpaper app that steals your data was downloaded by millions

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post #53 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Davewrite View Post

In reply to the various people who think Google is just walking over Apple and Google is making big bonks of money with a safe profit scheme consider this:

-- Many Android phones are being loaded with Bing, Yahoo and Baidu. (Msft for example pays some OEMS and carriers more to load Bing. Verizon recently had a big Bing promotion, whether that affects Android phones is unclear)
-- Some phones are loaded with their own non Google Apps. Some of these phones are locked onto their own App stores. You can't even download apps from Google Android market.
-- People are opening their own App stores selling apps, music etc and cutting Google out.

Example:
Engadget on Moto Backflip:
"Yahoo has replaced Google as the default search provider throughout the phone. It's crazy: the home screen widget, the browser, everything's been programmed to use Yahoo.
t's filled to the brim with pre-loaded AT&T stuff: AllSport GPS, AT&T Maps, AT&T Music (which takes the place of the standard Music app), AT&T Navigator, AT&T Wi-Fi Hotspots, Mobile Banking, MobiTV, MusicID, Where, and YPmobile. We strongly prefer the approach of offering a special branded Android Market portal where you can download your carrier's recommended apps."

-- the Android OS is fractured. NEW devices like the Dell streak is coming out with Android 1.6 so are many of the cheap Chinese phones. Some of these phones are locked down or come with the carriers on crap ware apps.
This frustrates third party developers no end.
-- Android market share share numbers are often ONLY compared to iPhone and not IOS. IOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) is huge and there is no danger to developer loss.
-- Android numbers are boosted by Android being loaded onto a myriad of cheap phones. Some (like cheap ones in China) like I said doesn't even come with Google search or apps, some can't even run apps. (i.e Market share doesn't necessarily equal big opportunity for developers).

-- Google pays Apple to be on iOS.
-- Other companies like Apple are going into mobile advertising. IADs according to some is already making significant impact.

-- AND people don't get this too: if a consumer is looking at a Google ad on his mobile phone he's probably NOT looking at it on his laptop/desktop at the SAME time. Sum gain for Google in page-view earnings is ZERO. If someone buys 3 Apple devices: laptop, phone etc : Apple makes money on All of them.

-- Finally if Android is such a big freaking success THINK ABOUT THIS:

when Android was first announced 3 years ago Google was LARGER than Apple in market cap. Apple passed Google in 2009. Now with Android out for a few years Apple is 100 BILLION $ larger than Google (approx 289 to 170 b)! Big investors who hold most of Google and Apple stock don't seem to believe in Android's massive profit ability as some Google fans do.

You're right GOOGLE IS DOOMED!!!!

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post #54 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:56pm
Investor fears of iOS losing shares to Android were evidenced today, which saw Apple stock rise over 10 points.
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post #55 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by rwheadon View Post

Thank you very much for your kind gesture and response. It was helpful since I grow weary of reading statistical studies that in the end are simply an exercise and yield nothing directly meaningful to ME. (and of course it's all about me)

You likely would agree that a growing segment could also pass through that "Fading" portion and thus came my amusement.

You're welcome.

Skepticism is warranted.
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post #56 of 189
10/5/10 at 1:56pm
As has been pointed out already, marketshare is a big incentive for developers and those who want to sell their products and services as it shows where the biggest potential audience is. We already know how that strategy turned out; OSX has an incredibly profitable niche, but it is still a niche, and for a lot of uses, a Windows machine is still required.

It wouldn't go amis for some people to at least consider that marketshare might be an important metric. Afterall, I can remember all too well the massive fanfare that was made as the iPhone quickly rose in the smartphone marketshare stakes. Why was it so incredibly important then, and so insignificant now? It stinks of sour grapes, that's what.
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post #57 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:00pm
I had to help a friend the other day figure out something with his Droid. I have to say, the user interface is not anywhere near as polished as iOS. They may sell well, but no thanks, I'll stick with iPhone. Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison. Some people just like to save a few bucks even though they often regret it later. Another friend just recently bought an iPhone after her G-1 phone died a month before her contract was up. She is so thrilled with her iPhone, especially compared to her experience with Android.

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post #58 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

As has been pointed out already, marketshare is a big incentive for developers and those who want to sell their products and services as it shows where the biggest potential audience is.

But are those Android users as likely to purchase apps as iPhone users. If they bought the Android because it was cheaper or BOGO, they probably aren't the big spenders that developers are looking for to buy their wares.

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post #59 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Davewrite View Post

In reply to the various people who think Google is just walking over Apple and Google is making big bonks of money with a safe profit scheme consider this:

-- Many Android phones are being loaded with Bing, Yahoo and Baidu. (Msft for example pays some OEMS and carriers more to load Bing. Verizon recently had a big Bing promotion, whether that affects Android phones is unclear)
-- Some phones are loaded with their own non Google Apps. Some of these phones are locked onto their own App stores. You can't even download apps from Google Android market.
-- People are opening their own App stores selling apps, music etc and cutting Google out.

Example:
Engadget on Moto Backflip:
"Yahoo has replaced Google as the default search provider throughout the phone. It's crazy: the home screen widget, the browser, everything's been programmed to use Yahoo.
t's filled to the brim with pre-loaded AT&T stuff: AllSport GPS, AT&T Maps, AT&T Music (which takes the place of the standard Music app), AT&T Navigator, AT&T Wi-Fi Hotspots, Mobile Banking, MobiTV, MusicID, Where, and YPmobile. We strongly prefer the approach of offering a special branded Android Market portal where you can download your carrier's recommended apps."

-- the Android OS is fractured. NEW devices like the Dell streak is coming out with Android 1.6 so are many of the cheap Chinese phones. Some of these phones are locked down or come with the carriers on crap ware apps.
This frustrates third party developers no end.
-- Android market share share numbers are often ONLY compared to iPhone and not IOS. IOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) is huge and there is no danger to developer loss.
-- Android numbers are boosted by Android being loaded onto a myriad of cheap phones. Some (like cheap ones in China) like I said doesn't even come with Google search or apps, some can't even run apps. (i.e Market share doesn't necessarily equal big opportunity for developers).

-- Google pays Apple to be on iOS.
-- Other companies like Apple are going into mobile advertising. IADs according to some is already making significant impact.

-- AND people don't get this too: if a consumer is looking at a Google ad on his mobile phone he's probably NOT looking at it on his laptop/desktop at the SAME time. Sum gain for Google in page-view earnings is ZERO. If someone buys 3 Apple devices: laptop, phone etc : Apple makes money on All of them.

-- Finally if Android is such a big freaking success THINK ABOUT THIS:

when Android was first announced 3 years ago Google was LARGER than Apple in market cap. Apple passed Google in 2009. Now with Android out for a few years Apple is 100 BILLION $ larger than Google (approx 289 to 170 b)! Big investors who hold most of Google and Apple stock don't seem to believe in Android's massive profit ability as some Google fans do.

Do you think you'd be making the same argument - that these marketshare numbers aren't important - if Apple's and Android's positions were reversed?
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post #60 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

But are those Android users as likely to purchase apps as iPhone users. If they bought the Android because it was cheaper or BOGO, they probably aren't the big spenders that developers are looking for to buy their wares.

Google is poised to make more money on Android than most people think they will. Also take into account this is not a mature product line yet. Apple with the iPhone product offerring has been out longer.
Checkout this write up in Newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/03/h...computing.html

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post #61 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:12pm
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I had to help a friend the other day figure out something with his Droid. I have to say, the user interface is not anywhere near as polished as iOS. They may sell well, but no thanks, I'll stick with iPhone. Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison. Some people just like to save a few bucks even though they often regret it later. Another friend just recently bought an iPhone after her G-1 phone died a month before her contract was up. She is so thrilled with her iPhone, especially compared to her experience with Android.

The beauty of it is that people have a choice. For some, iOS is the unpolished OS with Android having the flexibility and customisation they desire. The biggest reason why Android is so attractive to many buyers is it comes in all shapes and sizes at a number of different price points. Just look at the Orange San Franciso. A 3.5" capacitive OLED 840x400 screen, 3mp auto-focus camera, 3G, wifi, 600Mhz processor and Android 2.1. Sounds like it might cost a fair bit, right? It's £99 on PAYG, a quarter of the price of an iPhone. This sort of device is exactly why Android popularity is on the rise so fast, to which Apple currently has no equal, and probably never will do unless they change their strategy radically.
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post #62 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Davewrite View Post

IPhone is only 2% of worldwide cell phone market share,
With that 2% Apple is making 39-48% (Cannacord & Asymco numbers) of total worldwide phone (smart and dumb) profits.

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me: how does it benefit you as a customer that Apple charges higher margins than other companies?
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post #63 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:16pm
16 or 32GB?

Here in Australia it's Galaxy S Free on $A59 24 month contract.

iPhone 4 16GB free on $59 24 month contract.

The Galaxy S has 16GB of "internal SD" memory.

I wonder why people making comparisons involving Apple products always use the highest priced model, bias perhaps?

The 7" Galaxy Tab costs MORE than a 10" base model iPad.

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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

Not the issue.

Over here in UK, the picture is pretty similar and iPhone is on all networks.


problem for Apple is their greed and the total cost of ownership compared to a similar Android phone is far higher.

Same Carrier, same tariff, same data allowance.

Galaxy S = 24mths x £20 & free phone = TCO £480

iPhone 4 = 24mths x £30 plus £99 for phone = TCO £819

the S is arguably a better piece of hardware, certainly a better phone so why would people pay 70 or 80% for the inferior product?

this isn't a big mystery.

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post #64 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

But are those Android users as likely to purchase apps as iPhone users. If they bought the Android because it was cheaper or BOGO, they probably aren't the big spenders that developers are looking for to buy their wares.

Who knows? I'd find it difficult to swallow the notion that only people who have bought an expensive phone are willing to part with 99p to buy an app. The price of the apps is so relatively negligable in comparison to the price of the device that I can't see even value shoppers deliberating over the cost of the apps and whether they should buy them or not.
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10/5/10 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

Do you think you'd be making the same argument - that these marketshare numbers aren't important - if Apple's and Android's positions were reversed?

I don't even understand the premise of your question. The argument does not hold if positions are reversed because:

Android market share as I've stated does NOT necessarily equal Google profits ( as the phones can be locked down to their apps, come with Bing, Yahoo or Baidu and private app stores are opening etc) BUT every increase in iOS market share directly equals Apple profit. (Google pays Apple to run Google on iOS, and Apple is selling iADs as well, plus apps, music, movies etc via iTune so Apple's profit is also continuous with every iOS device sold. Apple makes money off every app etc but Google doesn't as you can buy apps off a non Google store).

If the market share numbers were reversed Apple would easily increase it's 39-49% of the worldwide phone (smart and dumb) profits.

(note that Palm has already gone under -- bought by HP -- because it's not making money. LG and NOKIA two of the biggest phone makers have recently fired their CEOS due to failure in the mobile market. Ballmer of Msft has his bonus cut due to failure in KIN phones. Rim shares are down 40% from peak - Apple is at highest ever. All these companies are being impacted by Apple taking profits)

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10/5/10 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison. Some people just like to save a few bucks even though they often regret it later. .

This is PURE Apple fanboy nonsense. I use an iPhone because I prefer it. It's my personal choice. But it's not a "BMW" anymore than the Android phones are "Hyundais"... The Droid Incredible is a nice phone. PERIOD. It's not "Clunky", it's not "Junky", and it's not "Crappy"... My iPhone is a nice phone. PERIOD. - but it's not "oh so elegant", it's not "delicious" , and it's not "magical"...

Apple makes nice products across the board, but I don't need to repeat a bunch of fanboyisms to either show the superiority of my phone or knock down the other guys..

It's time we all came down from our high horses. The iPhone is a great product, so is the Mac - - - - And as much as you guys don't want to admit it, any computer or device without an Apple Logo on it isn't total junk.
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post #67 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by nickmini View Post

Apple doesn't do BOGO. Many Android units are moved as part of a BOGO. It should be surprising that it took Android so LONG to surpass iOS in numbers.

Please share with us:

1. What percentage of the first year's total cost of the phone+service do BOGO deals comprise?

2. What percentage of Android-powered phones have been BOGOs?
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post #68 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

I had to help a friend the other day figure out something with his Droid. I have to say, the user interface is not anywhere near as polished as iOS. They may sell well, but no thanks, I'll stick with iPhone. Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison. Some people just like to save a few bucks even though they often regret it later. Another friend just recently bought an iPhone after her G-1 phone died a month before her contract was up. She is so thrilled with her iPhone, especially compared to her experience with Android.

"Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison"

While I own both and I would agree with you I still like iOS better the Hyundai/BMW comparision doesn't apply in this case. Buying HTC or MOTO hardware cost exactly the same as buying an iPhone 4. The contracts with Verzion and Sprint (more so Verizon) are the same when compared to ATT. So the cost of ownership is the same with an Android phone.

This isn't the case where the "poor people" can't afford to get an iPhone so they have to settle for an Android phone. Clearly many of them like Android better because the cost is the same.
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10/5/10 at 2:38pm
I just scanned through the posts again.

It's amazing how much violent agreement we have going on here.
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post #70 of 189
10/5/10 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

zero....z-e-r-o....zero.

You know, your replies make me think of this:

\Apple has always had competition. It's just been in its blind spot.
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10/5/10 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

I had to help a friend the other day figure out something with his Droid. I have to say, the user interface is not anywhere near as polished as iOS. They may sell well, but no thanks, I'll stick with iPhone. Sort of like a Hyundai/BMW comparison. Some people just like to save a few bucks even though they often regret it later. Another friend just recently bought an iPhone after her G-1 phone died a month before her contract was up. She is so thrilled with her iPhone, especially compared to her experience with Android.

The thing is with your friend who switched from the G1 is that she switched from the G1. It's the grandaddy of the Android phones so to use that as an example (to how great the iPhone is over Android) is misleading. Of course she would be more happy with an iPhone. It would hold more weight if she had switched from a Droid X.
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post #72 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:09pm
Let's think about this. Look at the data and yes Android appears to be gaining, but when you think that there are half a dozen or so phone makers with a dozen or two devices this doesn't look great for any one Android phone maker. They are comparing two enclosed Phone Environments to a segments group. Look at it that way and any given Android phone maker is getting an average or 5% or less of market share and the fact that each Android install is different based on the manufacturer and carrier, what do you have? Crap.

This is the old quantity over quality issue. Let them have more Android phones out there, you will have great ones and you will have garbage ones. Not a great comparison to two more controlled environments that are consistent.

FIne, people are buying a lot of Android phones, but many may be just trying to find something like the iPhone on their carrier. Then there are those that hate Apple. Then there are the clueless that get suckered by salespeople. You get what you pay for in this case and more people buying it doesn't make it the best.
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post #73 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:09pm
apple's ace in the hole is on target. when it is finished all the wannabees will have to run for the hills.

with the addition of the last acre of land, in north carolina, the stage is set. it's coming soon and apple is the only company around that has the foresight to foster this project.

as good as the apple stores are, this is in a different dimension.
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post #74 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:18pm
If anybody is confused by Nielsen, their methodology is to apparently ask what phone you bought in the last 6 months, every month. This is a form of question which would bias a previous selected phone, and increases fromthe iPhone 4 would show up in later months. The question contains previous momentum.

( of course the iOs share should include tablets and iPod touches, as mobile devices).


In any case the installed base of iOs on the iPhone is 28% and RIM is at 31%, Android at 18%.

If Apple moves ti different carriers Android will see dust. 28% is extraordinary given the limitations in the US.

And windows 7 will take more share from Android, not Apple, the Apple haters have moved already.
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post #75 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:36pm
Good, now the real fight can begin. I doubt Steve wants iPhone to be 5% of smartphone market, and will not let the new Microsoft solidify its positions. I would expect a more frequent hardware launch schedule as well as a "pro" model some time soon. And of course we will see a sprint and t-mobile version of the iPhone some time in early 2011, with VZWireless possible in the summer of 2011.

By 2012 I think apple will have about 30% of the market, Google 50-55% and the rest will split the crums.
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post #76 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by Garysturn View Post

This article heading should be changed to.

"The total combined sales of all 63 Android phone models finally overtake the sales of the iPhone"

How about "The total combined sales of Android phones (63 models, 6 different manufacturers, 10 carriers) finally overtake the sales of the iPhone (1 model, 1 manufacturer, 1)".

Numbers are only a guess so don't get all bent. If they are wrong, use the correct numbers. Same idea.
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post #77 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:46pm
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problem for Apple is their greed and the total cost of ownership compared to a similar Android phone is far higher.

Galaxy S = 24mths x £20 & free phone = TCO £480

iPhone 4 = 24mths x £30 plus £99 for phone = TCO £819

The £10 difference for the plan is the carrier, not Apple.
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post #78 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by davebarnes View Post

Doomed, I tell you, doomed.
This fascination with market share (by definition, a zero-sum game) is just silly. I know it generates page views, but let's be serious.
What counts is selling stuff at a profit.

I think you're right to a point.

But one has to remember, those profits, will only happen as long, as there is a healthy marketshare.
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post #79 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:48pm
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Good, now the real fight can begin. I doubt Steve wants iPhone to be 5% of smartphone market, and will not let the new Microsoft solidify its positions. I would expect a more frequent hardware launch schedule as well as a "pro" model some time soon. And of course we will see a sprint and t-mobile version of the iPhone some time in early 2011, with VZWireless possible in the summer of 2011.

By 2012 I think apple will have about 30% of the market, Google 50-55% and the rest will split the crums.

Naw. I would say iOs = 40% on mutiple carriers, a mere 12% in market share with a much larger share of the market open to them.

Nielsen reported android at 9% in June, can we trust their methodology?
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post #80 of 189
10/5/10 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by BTBlomberg View Post

Let's think about this. Look at the data and yes Android appears to be gaining, but when you think that there are half a dozen or so phone makers with a dozen or two devices this doesn't look great for any one Android phone maker. They are comparing two enclosed Phone Environments to a segments group. Look at it that way and any given Android phone maker is getting an average or 5% or less of market share and the fact that each Android install is different based on the manufacturer and carrier, what do you have? Crap.

This is the old quantity over quality issue. Let them have more Android phones out there, you will have great ones and you will have garbage ones. Not a great comparison to two more controlled environments that are consistent.

FIne, people are buying a lot of Android phones, but many may be just trying to find something like the iPhone on their carrier. Then there are those that hate Apple. Then there are the clueless that get suckered by salespeople. You get what you pay for in this case and more people buying it doesn't make it the best.

The best for who? For all the people who are buying these Android devices, they are the best for them. You can't say about any Android user that the best device for them is the iPhone, because if it was, they would have picked it! I can't understand why so many people fail to grasp the notion that for a lot of people, the iPhone is not the best choice. This information just shows that that is true. It doesn't mean it's not the best device for you or anyone else that owns one, but it is certainly not the best device for everyone.
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