Nielsen: Android overtakes Apple's iOS in latest US smartphone sales - Page 3

This whole post assumes that consumers give a rats ass about profits, which I can assure they don't. Incidently, each extra Android device on the market is an additional revenue stream for Google through the sale of products, services and advertising.

So you don't trust them because they showed that Android gained? Considering how many more Android phones I've seen in the wild since June, their numbers don't surprise me.


Exactly!

Yeah, that's why I can't run an application specifically written for the iPad on an iPhone. As a matter of fact, they can't currently even run the same version of iOS, can they???? Which Apps can AppleTV currently run since iOS is SOOOO consistent compared to the "fragmented" Android???


Or maybe they just want an Android phone...


How is it possible to "hate" a corporation or a inanimate object? This is a fanboy nonsense argument like one would expect to find on MacDailyNews, not a classy site full of level headed people like we find on Apple Insider.... Come on!


Yeah, they're all stupid and not intelligent enough to make an informed decision - - - which by your definition involves purchasing anything but an iPhone....

Again, I use a Mac and I use an iPhone because it is what "I" prefer. I never really understood where you guys get the viciousness that you feel you have to direct at anyone who chooses a cellphone or computer manufactured by someone other than your personal preference..

i don't trust them because this report now shows 22% for June. The report which first showed that the android surpassed the iPhone was NPD, Nielsen was used to discredit that one.

It is all interpreted statistics. Apple give real results and claimed to be outpacing the Market.


For US users we won't know which is the favoured device until Apple us on all carriers. I know which one would be tops were it on all carriers now.

Bibler, it is possible to write an app for the iPad and iPod. Only the UI need differ. IOs 4.2 will run on iPhones from the 3G to the iPad. The Apple TV is not an app platform.

Do learn about the things you are commenting on.

You go learn something.. I'm not here to get into a pissing match with anyone... You haven't a clue.

Lol. It's not a pissing match to correct misleading posts. Universal apps.

OK, can i come over and see 4.2 running on your iPad right now (Like you said that you could)???

Wait... So because time had moved on and things have changed and now Nielsen reports the same Android growth as everyone else they're not to be trusted all of a sudden? Because that no longer support your point of view?

And Apple gives real results? You're trusting the word of a company talking about themselves over a third-party, independent analysis company? I would expect Apple to say nothing but rises and sunshine and lollipops about their sales even if they were being outsold. Do you think Apple would ever publicly announce that they are bring outsold by a competitor?

You can actually since it is in beta. However you don't need to because my point was you could already build the sane app , the same binary, for iPads and iPod touches and iPhones. These are called universal apps.

So, basically, stop posting total bollocks.

Jesus the brains are out tonight.

I don't trust Nielsens methodology since they gave gotten it so wrong before. In my previous post I suggested why.

Apple can't lie in conference calls, that's a civil and criminal offence.

Oh yes, Apple always gives "real" results!! They have 91% of all computers over $1000, they have 77% of something called "mindshare", they have 99.7% of all cell phones sold to people who work for computer companies in Cupertino, CA, they make the most profit of all companies who make "mobile devices"....

Sunshine and Lollipops for sure..

And if you knew anything about programming, you'd know that the programmer has to program the "Universal App" for each device. The same can be done with Android, for as much as you want to spread FUD, all Droid devices aren't that much different that they need major rewrites of each program.

If you go back and read my original post, I said that iPad and iPhone don't CURRENTLY run the same version of iOS...

Of course, you'd don't really care do you?? You're hear to argue all things Steve... Goodbye, I'm done with ya kid..

It's like talking to 2 year olds here tonight. If you can source any of those claims from a financial conference call, do.

What you said was that no iPad app could run on the iPhone. That was wrong. I pointed out that it was wrong, and you threw the toys out of the pram.

Just retract false or misleading stTwments, it us easier fir us all.

If you would have just said that in the first place we wouldn't have had to go down this path. No need to be insulting over a misunderstanding...

how many times do I have to explain this?

DID YOU ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS? Did you follow the thread?

1) "This whole post assumes that consumers give a rats ass about profits, which I can assure they don't."
DUDE: my first post was to those that were saying that Android was making all this money and that it was way better than Apple's model of revenue. It's the Droid fans who brought up the revenue issue.

but since you brought up the topic of users and profits...
Perhaps some users don't give a rat's ass about profits but they certainly should. WHY? Perhaps you should ask the no profit Palm users (in limbo as Palm is being slowly digested by HP). go ask the msft KIN phone users, the Win Mo 6 users...
also go ask the AMIGA users, the people who bought BETAMAX players, the OS2 users...
No profits can mean END of LINE for your product or at best it means nothing for R&D, bad customer service, sucky hardware as OEMs cut costs, go ask the no profit NETBOOK users about that...

2)"Incidently, each extra Android device on the market is an additional revenue stream for Google through the sale of products, services and advertising."

Shoot, are you DENSE or what? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID does NOT happen EVERY TIME. I explained it sideways and backwards with examples that even small brained reptiles could understand.

here AGAIN (for like the third time):
"in the situations WHEN CARRIERS LOAD BING, YAHOO OR BAIDU ON THEIR PHONE, WHEN PEOPLE OPEN THEIR OWN APP STORES AND LOCK GOOGLE OUT, WHEN PHONES ARE BUILT SO THAT THEY LOCKED DOWN TO THIER OWN NON GOOGLE APPS AND CAN'T ACCESS GOOGLE ANDROID MARKET GOOGLE MAKES LESS OR NOTHING".

get it? If a phone runs Bing Google gets zilch from search. If they run non google maps, services etc same thing.
If users buy apps from a NON google store and they are sprouting: Google gets zilch.
Some phones in Asia come with Baidu not Google and are locked down. You can't even download apps from Google android market. Google profit from them Zero.
If advertisers use other ad agencies and not Google's Admob, google loses revenue
etc (all I explained in DETAIL in my first posts)

I even gave an EXAMPLE in my first post:
"Engadget on Moto Backflip:
"Yahoo has replaced Google as the default search provider throughout the phone. It's crazy: the home screen widget, the browser, everything's been programmed to use Yahoo.
It's filled to the brim with pre-loaded AT&T stuff: AllSport GPS, AT&T Maps, AT&T Music (which takes the place of the standard Music app), AT&T Navigator, AT&T Wi-Fi Hotspots, Mobile Banking, MobiTV, MusicID, Where, and YPmobile. We strongly prefer the approach of offering a special branded Android Market portal where you can download your carrier's recommended apps."

Another:
Electronista:
"Verizon's decision to force the use of Bing as the core search engine on the Samsung Fascinate may be part of a larger change that could undermine Android itself, .... Verizon's approach also prevents owners from choosing an alternative short of installing unofficial firmware, an investigation found."

I also explained that if people are looking at Google ads on their phones they are NOT (probably) looking AT THE SAME TIME at ads on their laptops or desktops: page view GAIN for Google ZERO.


Man you DON"T READ and you SPOUT!

Yup, adding more carriers when you already can't make enough phones to keep up with demand is an absolutely brilliant strategy.

And left behind at what? Owning the 2 for one special? The high volume no-profit marketshare? I think Apple has a pretty clear history of being perfectly happy not being all things to all people, and since high volume no-profit strategies are about, well, volume I don't understand why anyone gets worked up about market share numbers. At all.

Google can ship all the Android phones they want, but like Windows Mobile of old, if hardly any of them are used to do anything beyond basic phone calls and light email does it really matter that the phone came with Android? Does google really gain any revenue from the fact that it was simply loaded on a device that was shoveled out the door to someone that is not using it nearly as much as the average iOS user?

As they say, the proof is in the earnings reports...

I suggest you take a breath and re-read the post. I have and don't find that assumption present at all.

"unofficial firmware" is basically jailbreaking.

Something I can also do to my iPhone.

If I have to jailbrake Android to get choice, then what exactly is the point of it again? Why not just go with iOS which has a much richer experience?

Android may be open, but not always to the end users benefit. In this case it's open for Verizon who promptly locked it down (as V is fond of doing) for the end user. At that point why even mess with it?

As for Verizon's actions: well duh! It's what they do! It's probably the sole reason the iPhone isn't on Verizon - it's certainly the reason they passed on it the first time. Really, it's not that hard to understand why Apple is less than thrilled with Verizon when they are doing their same old crap - even today! I'm surprised they aren't charging a fee to turn wifi on. You know they want to

Only if developers make money with Android. Right now they aren't.

While a bit of hyperbole, 2x0=0 as much as 20000x0=0

Mere market share numbers do not equate success. Developers will go where the money is. Many of the developers that left in a huff last year are now (surprise!) back...

At the end of the day dogma doesn't pay bills.

Was that before or after Oracle sued them for infringing on Java?

Since it is currently impossible for Google to release an iPhone-Killer, the strategy is classic: just flood the market with whatever you've got.

When I go to the Apple website, they have 3 models of iPhone available for sale, so come on, use the correct numbers.

Actually, MS lost the mobile space because they focused on developers and not the end user experience. They are seeing their Windows market share eroding in the face of the iOS halo effect - because of Apple's focus on end user experience.

The original iPhone didn't have apps, and neither did the 3G initially - yet they were a smashing success. Developers came to the App store (flocking in droves, actually) because of the ecosystem Apple had already established, so to me it's pretty obvious this whole "it's the developers" ranting is a bunch of crap.

No, the worst thing Apple could do is shift their primary focus to developers. Luckily they apparently know this and have no intention of doing so. Their focus is exactly where it needs to be - the end user of their products.


Well, Autodesk is releasing AutoCAD for the Mac again. Times are changing. Do I expect the Mac to have equivalency with Windows? Nope - then again there are lots of Mac-only programs too. It's the nature of the beast.


Actually, the opposite of what you are touting is happening. AutoDesk is just the latest high profile example.

Adobe re-launched premiere elements. Not bad for a platform that not only has 5% but ships with free movie editing software.

EDIT: And how could I forget the literal game changer: Steam. Unthinkable just a year ago....

The Mac OS has never been stronger, and it's rapidly expanding - each quarter is surpassing the last. Not bad for a company who you insist that their company needs to pull their head out....


I think you need to pull your head out of your myopia. Apple is the strongest they have ever been and are growing by leaps and bounds with profits that their competitors can only dream about at this point because they are doing the opposite of what you are advocating. Developers like Autodesk, Adobe and Valve are responding and doing exactly what you want.

You'll have to excuse me if I pick Apple's strategy over yours.

Only if you are capable of superficial analysis through the prism of market share alone.

If we were assuming that Android and iOS delivered the same experience you might have a point. As it is, you have succeeded in once again at merely executing a B grade troll.

When there is basically no cost differential between an Android feature phone and a dumb phone that doesn't support apps, then the price of the app is indeed a significant factor.

As the lack of revenue for Android developers vs. iPhone developers bares out....

There, fixed that for you. I think it's pretty obvious who dominates that group too...

Not every company decides to get into the hardware business. Google is using their OS as the iPhone killer which appears to be working.

I'll have 4.2 on my iPad before the Nexus one users were updated with 2.2 after it was first released

MDN made a good point. So those who purchased a smartphone over a six month period, which only includes about a month of iPhone 4 sales. LOL This is the kind of stuff it takes for all of the Android-based phones put together on multiple carriers to get a "win" over the iPhone, besides never-ending BOGO promotions from Verizon, etc.

When Apple decides the time is right to pull the trigger and move to multiple carriers in the U.S., as they have already in other countries (where the top smartphone OS picture looks totally different), Google's Android dream turns into a nightmare as pretty much the sole reason (unless you want fewer apps and more malware while empowering telecoms) to settle for a fake iPhone disappears.

Quadra you can try and slant this all night long, the reality is Android is selling very well and will continue to do so. You need to take your medication and come to the understanding that Google doesn't have to fail for Apple to do well. Your thought process of all other companies do to do poorly or fail is beyond childish.

I believe Android growth has been 886% percent this year. I remember you drooling all over yourself when Apple had 400% with the iPhone. Time to give it up and accept the reality of the situation. Android is kicking ass.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operat...roid&sample=38

Apple's iOS has 4.9 times the global Web usage share of Google's Android


Google's Android is gaining Web usage share, but still lags far behind Apple's iOS, according to NetApplications.

Apple's iOS has 4.9 times the global usage share of Google Android devices.



NetApplications' mobile share methodology measures share for browser capable mobile devices. This means the mobile device must be able to render HTML pages and javascript. Visits to WAP pages are not included.

The firm uses a unique methodology for collecting this data. They collect data from the browsers of site visitors to their exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly, weekly, daily and hourly basis

In addition, NetApplications classifies 430+ referral sources identified as search engines. Aggregate traffic referrals from these engines are summarized reported on. The statistics for search engines include both organic and sponsored referrals. The websites in the company's population represent almost all countries on earth.

Additional estimates about the website population:
76% participate in pay per click programs to drive traffic to their sites.
43% are commerce sites
18% are corporate sites
10% are content sites
29% classify themselves as "other" (includes gov, org, search engine marketers etc..)


Now what?

That is mean nothing. We all know iOS still leads in some areas the issue is how fast Android is catching up and the grow rate is far higher then that of iOS.

I know for you this is a painful situation but its okay Apple can still do well with Android grown. You can still sleep well.

By the way how is that effort of yours to kill Flash. That doesn't seem to be going so well. Whats the matter everyone on Macrumors ignoring you like they do here?

Expect them to continue to ignore the obvious "its the profits, stupid" and trot out yet another market share red herring.

And expect them to continue to wonder why Apple is able to have blockbuster quarter after blockbuster quarter

Flash no longer matters. The iPad's seen to that. Apple is experiencing record sales of its devices, all of which (save for Macs) don't play Flash. Seems to be going pretty well. The object is not to kill Flash (that'll take a long while), but to suitably and deservedly discredit the format to the extent that it prompts the consumer to turn to far better alternatives. Garbage (like Flash) is often ubiquitous, and sometimes the best we can do is to just recognize it as such and move on.

Yeah I am sure Google is not making profit. You guys have short memories when it comes to Apple making a solid profit. A guess a few good years out of three decads isn't bad. Remembe when you are on top there is only one place to go from there and that is down.

Just a reminder . . . what Apple has accomplished in "a few good years", with a fraction of the manpower and R&D of Microstupid.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ocId=D9IKD31G0

Apple on path to surpass Exxon as world’s most valuable company
Monday, October 04, 2010

"Here's something to think about the next time you pick up a call on your iPhone: the device you're holding may soon be the signature product of the most valuable company in the world," David K. Randall reports for The Associated Press. "Thanks to its line of gadgets that combine the ability to make calls, send email, read books, watch movies and listen to music, Apple Inc. is on a path to overtake Exxon Mobil Corp. as the largest company by market capitalization."

"The list of companies that have sat atop the S&P 500 is short. For years, the top spot rotated among stalwart industrials like General Electric Co., General Motors, and AT&T Inc., before that company was broken up as a result of an antitrust suit in 1984. Twenty years ago, IBM Corp. held the No. 1 position, narrowly beating out Exxon," Randall reports. "Apple's move to the top would be a strong signal that the market is no longer placing as high a value on industrial companies that depend on traditional manufacturing, business spending or natural resources for revenue. Instead, investors are now expecting growth to be driven by spending from average consumers on technology and entertainment."

Randall reports, "If Apple becomes more valuable than Exxon, it will be only the second time that a growing technology company which doesn't pay dividends will make up the greatest share of the S&P 500. The first, Microsoft Corp., held the position for two years in the late 1990s during the boom that made personal computers a staple in households around the world. Today, Apple dominates the business of putting the Internet in your pocket. That's quite a feat for a company that was worth only $7 dollars a share 10 years ago. It closed Friday at $282.52."

Let see so we have iPad and iOS record sales and we have Android record sales which promotes Flash as a benefit over iOS. So it appears to me that Apple has done nothing to slow down Flash or help move to HTML5 or any other alternative.