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Apple is currently working to expand the iPhone line, and may offer larger and smaller models as soon as early 2011, one Wall Street analyst has said.

Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said Wednesday that checks with sources in Apple's overseas supply chain have indicated that the company is working on new iPhone models with both larger and smaller touchscreens. He said those products could launch in 2011, and on new carriers other than the currently exclusive AT&T.

"Our sources believe these likely represent new high-end and low-end iPhone models to complement its current iPhone 4," Wu wrote in a note to investors. "One possibility we are picking up is a "mini" or "nano" iPhone with a smaller candybar form factor leveraging technology in its new mini touchscreen iPod nano."

Though new handsets are typically released in the summer, the progress being made on these new models is far enough along that Apple could introduce new handsets as soon as the first half of 2011, and even as early as the first quarter of next year. Wu said he believes the new phones could become available on U.S. carriers other than AT&T, including Verizon, T-Mobile and/or Sprint.

"We believe Apple moving to a more complete iPhone product line makes strategic sense in that its iPhone 4 addresses only the high-end of the market," he said. "We think Apple should take a page out of its iPod playbook where it has had a lot (of) success with a 3-tier strategy addressing entry-level, mid-range and high-end, making it difficult for competitors."

It's the scalability of iOS, Wu said, that could allow Apple to make a "fuller iPhone product line," allowing it to offer even greater competition against Google Android.

However, the analyst also incorrectly suggested that the new iPod nano runs iOS. While the software on the small touchscreen device looks and acts much like iOS, Apple has said the device runs its own, new operating system.

Rumors of a supposed iPhone nano were quite common years ago, but have mostly died down since. Apple currently offers three iPhone models priced at $299, $199 and $99 in the U.S. with a two-year AT&T contract.
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Ugh, here we go again. Not gonna happen, folks.
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Don't see Apple doing this as it does nothing but fragment the iOS market. Different screen resolutions, processor speeds, and memory sizes are what causes problems for application developers. This is what is starting to really hurt Android and what currently hurts everyone, including Apple.

Apple reduces this pain by only releasing one model of iphone per year so developers only have to test on iPhone 4, iPhone 3gs, and iPad to cover all the users. Constrast this to all the other mobile platforms where there are so many different models and configurations that your apps have no chance of running on all the devices.
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It makes sense in a lot of ways. Offer more choices, get people to start on a nano-phone (or whatever you'd call it) and move up to the higher end iPhone.

Apple has done similar things with it's other lines: Macbook leads to 13" Macbook Pro to the big 17" version; iPod Shuffle up to the touch...


How you would 'scale' iOS is the question. Lower end phones would need to have enough functionality to be wanted... but if they had too much then people might not move up to the high end phone.

Is screen size enough of a difference alone?
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I don't know about most people but anything larger then the iphone is just to damn big. My brother has a droid phone, I don't recall which one, but the thing is monstrous to hold and just silly to try and put it into a pocket.
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these reports are almost always wrong. Whenever these posts come out, it's always just a speculation, based on what these markets want to see Apple produce soon. Sure people have been posting for years that Apple should make an iPhone Nano, but they haven't.

What I think will be the case, is a further development built on the new iPod Nano line. they may dump the Classic in favor of a model that is between the iPod Touch and the Nano, but with a humongous hard drive like the classic. 120Gb flash memory with a screen size between the Nano and the Touch, but with the Nano User Interface.
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Why would you want to make an iPhone nano? You want an iPhone nano, buy a Nokia phone! These so called researchers have nothing else to talk about.


On a more exciting note, the Physics Nobel prize went to Andre Geim, Konstantin Novoselov. Let's talk about using Graphene in macs

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I don't know about most people but anything larger then the iphone is just to damn big. My brother has a droid phone, I don't recall which one, but the thing is monstrous to hold and just silly to try and put it into a pocket.

Probably a Droid X... I thought that at first too when I first played with the Evo and then the X when it showed up in stores. Now that I have one, I've done a complete 180. Looking back at my Droid's 3.7" screen and even more the 3.5" of the iPhone just feels...cramped.

I personally think that a 4" screen like on the Galaxy S is the perfect medium ground.
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I don't know about most people but anything larger then the iphone is just to damn big. My brother has a droid phone, I don't recall which one, but the thing is monstrous to hold and just silly to try and put it into a pocket.

I agree but smaller iPhones could make sense for kids for example and other folks who like smaller form factors. Where as bigger iPhones are just suitable for big people with large hands, huge pockets and fat salaries.
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Both sides of the discussion, believers of this and those that don't ... have good arguments. I would point out those that argue it would fragment the iPhone market that the iPod market seems ok with a range of version sizes. If you think about it, an iPod Touch is pretty much an iPhone without calling (Ok a few other differences too but you get my drift). So I suspect technically each iOS iPod iteration could also have a phone equipped sibling. Just saying ...
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On a more exciting note, the Physics Nobel prize went to Andre Geim, Konstantin Novoselov. Let's talk about using Graphene in macs


Yeah, graphene keyboards/screen with liquidmetal casing.... would be cool....
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IF Apple expands the iPhone lineup, I doubt the smaller iPhone would run apps. It makes more sense that a smaller form factor would have limited capabilities like the iPod Nano.

Touch screen design with iTunes, contacts, calendar and the other basics. Perfect for younger kids and seniors.

These could be $49 with carrier subsidy and the perfect gateway phone. Apple could clean up and introduce even more of the masses to the iTunes ecosystem.
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

these reports are almost always wrong. Whenever these posts come out, it's always just a speculation, based on what these markets want to see Apple produce soon.

Very true. It also seems that these stories get planted around not long after stories about anything to do with Android phones that happen to be headlining. Recently Android phones have been in the news about catching up to Apple in terms of market share or some the study which takes the attention away from Apple temporarily. Hrm suspect.
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Originally Posted by macmike View Post

It makes sense in a lot of ways. Offer more choices, get people to start on a nano-phone (or whatever you'd call it) and move up to the higher end iPhone.

Apple has done similar things with it's other lines: Macbook leads to 13" Macbook Pro to the big 17" version; iPod Shuffle up to the touch...


How you would 'scale' iOS is the question. Lower end phones would need to have enough functionality to be wanted... but if they had too much then people might not move up to the high end phone.

Is screen size enough of a difference alone?

I don't think is a matter of iOS, it will be hardware based as it been done with the iPods. Example:
Less system ram (256mb)
Smaller storage capacity (8-16GB only)

That is the way I see Apple lowering prices to deliver a product bellow high end.
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"We think Apple should take a page out of its iPod playbook where it has had a lot (of) success with a 3-tier strategy addressing entry-level, mid-range and high-end

...agreed...


"Apple currently offers three iPhone models priced at $299, $199 and $99"

...done.
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IF Apple expands the iPhone lineup, I doubt the smaller iPhone would run apps. It makes more sense that a smaller form factor would have limited capabilities like the iPod Nano.

Touch screen design with iTunes, contacts, calendar and the other basics. Perfect for younger kids and seniors.

These could be $49 with carrier subsidy and the perfect gateway phone. Apple could clean up and introduce even more of the masses to the iTunes ecosystem.

Apple doesn't play in the low-end of the market, period. iPods are completely different. The Nano and shuffle are, and continue to be, primarily MP3 players. Once you start shrinking the iPhone to a "nano phone" you begin to cloud the purpose. Apple doesn't make low-end cell phones, or low-end computers. They simply don't need to. The current cycle works extremely well for them (new models replace current models at the same price point... old models drop in price). Rinse, repeat.
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Apple has to compete so they may in fact make different sizes of iOS products, especially larger than the iPhone but smaller than the iPad. The 7" tablet size is going to be hotly competitive by the looks of it and Apple would be foolish not to have an entry there for instance.

On the other hand this:
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... Wu wrote in a note to investors. "One possibility we are picking up is a "mini" or "nano" iPhone with a smaller candybar form factor leveraging technology in its new mini touchscreen iPod nano."...

is either the purest BS from Wu or he is a complete f*cking idiot.

There is no "technology" to leverage there unless he is referring to the recent attempts to market wristwatch-style "controller" devices for a phone, by Apple's competitors or an iPhone nanophone that's a wristwatch etc. And if that's what he means, then he is just a big idiot because Apple just doesn't do such gimmicky useless crap.
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Yes, I believe that's exactly the case. Great example of how Wall Street politely trying to push around companies with their suggestions of how they think the market should go.
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Originally Posted by Targon View Post

Very true. It also seems that these stories get planted around not long after stories about anything to do with Android phones that happen to be headlining. Recently Android phones have been in the news about catching up to Apple in terms of market share or some the study which takes the attention away from Apple temporarily. Hrm suspect.
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Originally Posted by Legends View Post

"We think Apple should take a page out of its iPod playbook where it has had a lot (of) success with a 3-tier strategy addressing entry-level, mid-range and high-end

...agreed...


"Apple currently offers three iPhone models priced at $299, $199 and $99"

...done.

Exactly. Lowering the price on existing models as newer ones come out is as "low-end" as Apple will ever go. It really amazes me how these identical rumors continue to circle every so often. Analysts are complete idiots, flying on the whim of some "source" in the "far east."
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Shaw Wu cracks me up.

Please note the original article mis-spelled "Analyst"

In this case, it should have an "i" instead of a "y".

C.
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Although i think this info is misleading but i think a 3.8" iPhone would be sweet.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Shaw Wu cracks me up.

Please note the original article mis-spelled "Analyst"

In this case, it should have an "i" instead of a "y".

C.

took me 4 seconds to wonder about your info, there then I hooted, LOL
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Good move Apple. With people around the country dropping calls due to weak AT&T coverage and the absurd external antenna design, I'm sure different size iPhones are just what the world is clamoring for.

If I may make a suggestion, why not open the phone up to multiple carriers instead of multiple sizes. I do believe there is some clamor for that. And put the antenna back on the inside please.
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Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said Wednesday that checks with sources in Apple's overseas supply chain have indicated that the company is working on new iPhone models with both larger and smaller touchscreens.

These "supply chain sources" always seem to have the best data. Take for example the mini or nano iPhones already built, the camera in the previous iPod Touch, the 7 inch iPad and the numerous CDMA or 'universal' phones, the touch screen iMacs, and the OLED screens in most of the phones, not to mention the various iPods of different sizes that have not appeared... Oh wait a minute, you say none of these has come to fruition. Could that be because they simply make all this up and play with the stock value by introducing these stupid rumors - why can't they qualify it with a simple disclaimer like "My guess is..." or "What I would like to see Apple do..."?

How does one get a job selling fantasy and fiction as the truth - better yet how does one keep such a job? \


'Nuff of my rants for the day.
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A 4" screen would be much better for using apps, which after all is the main selling point of the iPhone.

iPhone Nano? Why not. Just add phone, bluetooth and a wireless headset to the iPod Nano and you are pretty much there. Wear it as a watch. Apple could even create a new category of apps designed for use on that size screen.
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Originally Posted by Legends View Post

"We think Apple should take a page out of its iPod playbook where it has had a lot (of) success with a 3-tier strategy addressing entry-level, mid-range and high-end

...agreed...


"Apple currently offers three iPhone models priced at $299, $199 and $99"

...done.

Not really. The iPod comparison offers different size-related benefits with lower-end models. The iPhone line just satisfies the price points with corresponding reductions in value. iPods might have started out that way, but that isn't thecae today-- each line has unique benefits.

I can't figure out how you would do it without dramatic challenges for developers, but I imagine watching the iPod nano will give some hints.

The disruptive technology would still be for Apple to become a MVNO with UMA handoff, so one number can serve multiple devices. Carrying a nano phone around the office tied to my iPhone number would be nice in many ways, but another subscription is out of the question.
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Why would you want to make an iPhone nano? You want an iPhone nano, buy a Nokia phone! These so called researchers have nothing else to talk about.

They are talking about it because Apple would dominate the Market. Better UI, industrial design, visual voicemail, face book, and iTunes support would blow other feature phones out of the water.
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They are talking about it because Apple would dominate the Market. Better UI, industrial design, visual voicemail, face book, and iTunes support would blow other feature phones out of the water.

I would buy a 4" iPhone in an instant, 3.5 was amazing in 2007, but now it's really now the smallest useable touchscreen in the phone market.
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I would buy a 4" iPhone in an instant, 3.5 was amazing in 2007, but now it's really now the smallest useable touchscreen in the phone market.

Smallest and most profitable.

Funny that.

C.
post #31 of 106
Most likely these are experimental prototypes that will never reach market. Apple creates hundreds of designs a year, yet only a handful reach store shelves.

It is doubtful that Apple will release a second iPhone.
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Different screen resolutions, processor speeds, and memory sizes are what causes problems for application developers. This is what is starting to really hurt Android and what currently hurts everyone, including Apple.


What evidence do you have that "Different screen resolutions, processor speeds, and memory sizes" are "starting to really hurt Android"?

All the evidence I've seen is that Android is rapidly gaining both market share and mind share among consumers. There are several hot-selling Android phones. There are several high performance Android phones, with different stuff emphasized, like a big screen or a special software suite. And there are several el-cheapo Android phones. There are even some locked-down Android phones.

All the evidence I see is that Android is tailored to meet the desires of many different types of phone buyers, and that far from starting to hurt Android, it is starting to make Android huge.
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All the evidence I've seen is that Android is rapidly gaining both market share and mind share among consumers. There are several hot-selling Android phones. There are several high performance Android phones, with different stuff emphasized, like a big screen or a special software suite. And there are several el-cheapo Android phones. There are even some locked-down Android phones.

Some might see this kind of "fragmentation" as a bad thing. Fortunately for Android, the numbers don't reflect this.
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It's not a bad idea to wipe up the lower end of the market with a candy-bar format with a lower-functionality "iOS but not iOS" interface. It's effectively be an iPod Nano with a phone, and a keypad (instead of a scroll wheel). Imagine the current iPod Nano, twice as long (for the keypad), maybe a bit wider and larger.

I'm going to go out on a wing and make up specifications from nowhere: 320x320 display (iPod nano screen is 1.09 inches on a side, new device's screen will be 1.45 inches square), with multitouch like iPod nano. Phone keypad below. Camera (and facetime). $199, free with low-end contract. Far simpler apps for texting, email, etc. No a smartphone, more of a feature phone.

The target is Nokia, especially in Europe and Asia where they are large. "You want to sue us? Well say goodbye to your mass market device sales."
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337 View Post

I would buy a 4" iPhone in an instant, 3.5 was amazing in 2007, but now it's really now the smallest useable touchscreen in the phone market.

I have my doubts about a larger iPhone, specially if a smaller iPad is on its way. The market would be too small. I can see the reasoning behind an iPhone Nano as a much smaller, less capable but still very smart phone/ipod. Will it happen - I have my doubts. Personally I'd like to se a small iPod / text biased phone. There are other phones like that out there and the question is if Apple could A) make it better (of course they can), B) the demand is there (not sure), C) margins are there (depends on B)

I am sure Apple is working on (developing) various IOS related devices, be they smaller iPod/Phones or iPads, clamshell iPads or aTV's. As a company with a business model in which innovation key they necessarily have a very active R&D department. What comes to market is another story.
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Good move Apple. With people around the country dropping calls due to weak AT&T coverage and the absurd external antenna design, I'm sure different size iPhones are just what the world is clamoring for.

See what I did there?
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They are talking about it because Apple would dominate the Market. Better UI, industrial design, visual voicemail, face book, and iTunes support would blow other feature phones out of the water.

Did you mean face book or face time? I agree with your post but you need to add face time and most importantly texting. Can a good texting experience be created on a smaller screen?
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Some might see this kind of "fragmentation" as a bad thing. Fortunately for Android, the numbers don't reflect this.

I think it only "seems" like it's not hurting Andriod. I think, long term, it will be bad for Andriod. Even now you hear about people (users and developers) complaining about all the different versions.

A developer I think is impacted the most.... instead of creating an app and being able to have all Android users take advantage... it's only a part of the market (this means less $$$). As opposed to Apple where it gets pushed out to all iPhone, iPod Touches and iPads (much more $$$). This is probably why the iTunes App store is so successful.
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See what I did there?

At the last minute I decided to acknowledge that the United States is not the whole world.
post #40 of 106
iPhone nano might happen. Will happen.

Eventually.

Larger iPhone, you say??? Hahaha!!!
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