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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Android is not a company - or an entity.

C.

Weak.

Change my statement to "The dominance of the Android operating system gains unabated by any horrors it causes to lazy developers. There are zillions of other developers who are, at an explosive rate, developing for Android".

Let's not mince words.
post #82 of 106
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

800%. Lol. That would be 14% and 60k a year. No great shakes. Evidence of a slowing down.

Look up the meaning of "to annualize". You might want to go back and delete your post after learning the meaning of the phrase.
post #83 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Look up the meaning of "to annualize". You might want to go back and delete your post after learning the meaning of the phrase.

From some one who thinks that an increase of 10 k on 70 k is 800%, I can only laugh.

The annual rate of increase is not compound in these situations, 10k over 60 days is all we know.

800%. Roflmo.
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post #84 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Weak.

Change my statement to "The dominance of the Android operating system gains unabated by any horrors it causes to lazy developers. There are zillions of other developers who are, at an explosive rate, developing for Android".

Let's not mince words.

obvious troll is obvious. Don't fandroid trolls have a forum of their own? Or are their forums fragmented too?
post #85 of 106
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Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

Why on earth would Apple want to dilute its margins making and selling a yesterday's tech product into a profitless market that's already saturated?

Because despite your techno-geek view of the world, most people still don't want a smart phone.
post #86 of 106
I thought WSJ was a serious newspaper but it keeps publishing bogus stories and lies

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post #87 of 106
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Originally Posted by bullhead View Post

Or are their forums fragmented too?

Here's a good article on the effects of fragmentation:

Android doubles market share in six months

Google's mobile operating system is the No. 1 platform for users who recently purchased a smartphone

http://vator.tv/news/2010-10-06-andr...-in-six-months



I like the article because it focuses on different data from different sources, and analyzes what sorts of conclusions can be drawn from each.
post #88 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Weak.

Change my statement to "The dominance of the Android operating system gains unabated by any horrors it causes to lazy developers. There are zillions of other developers who are, at an explosive rate, developing for Android".

Let's not mince words.

Android is on several handsets IOS is on one so it is obvious that Android will be more widespread... that's does not mean it is better.

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post #89 of 106
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post

Android is on several handsets IOS is on one so it is obvious that Android will be more widespread... that's does not mean it is better.

Which OS is better or worse isn't really what we are discussing.

BTW, I agree with you that it is pretty obvious that Android will be more widespread.
post #90 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Here's a good article on the effects of fragmentation:

Android doubles market share in six months

Google's mobile operating system is the No. 1 platform for users who recently purchased a smartphone

http://vator.tv/news/2010-10-06-andr...-in-six-months



I like the article because it focuses on different data from different sources, and analyzes what sorts of conclusions can be drawn from each.

There are more Toyotas in the street that Bentleys and probably it will be the case for the foreseeable future... I rather drive the Bentley...so it is for phones, Android is more widespread but I rather use the Iphone.

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post #91 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Here's a good article on the effects of fragmentation:

Android doubles market share in six months

Google's mobile operating system is the No. 1 platform for users who recently purchased a smartphone

http://vator.tv/news/2010-10-06-andr...-in-six-months



I like the article because it focuses on different data from different sources, and analyzes what sorts of conclusions can be drawn from each.

My favorite quote of that article:

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So what this ultimately seems to suggest is that Android isnt really a direct competitor with the iPhone OS, but rather the next-best-thing.



PS: That article really has nothing to do with fragmentation (unless it plays into the percentage of very satisfied customers, which it may).
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post #92 of 106
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There are more Toyotas in the street that Bentleys and probably it will be the case for the foreseeable future... I rather drive the Bentley...so it is for phones, Android is more widespread but I rather use the Iphone.

I'm not sure how or why a comparison between cars - with price differences exceeding the average income of most families - has anything to do with phones which all cost a couple of hundred bucks or less.

But if you haven't noticed, Toyota quality is what Apple is all about lately. Both companies make products for the masses, very easy to use and very reliable. And they are an excellent choice for most everyone.

Except maybe not for those of us who would rather drive a Ferrari.
post #93 of 106
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I'm not sure how or why a comparison between cars - with price differences exceeding the average income of most families - has anything to do with phones which all cost a couple of hundred bucks or less.

But if you haven't noticed, Toyota quality is what Apple is all about lately. Both companies make products for the masses, very easy to use and very reliable. And they are an excellent choice for most everyone.

Except maybe not for those of us who would rather drive a Ferrari.

What Android phone is like a Ferrari?
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post #94 of 106
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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

What Android phone is like a Ferrari?

From what I've seen, none of them. But some are like Lamborghinis:



and others are like a Porsche Cayenne:



Those of us who would like to drive a Ferrari are still waiting with our Hondas, our Toyotas and our iPhones.
post #95 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

From what I've seen, none of them. But some are like Lamborghinis:

and others are like a Porsche Cayenne:


Those of us who would like to drive a Ferrari are still waiting with our Hondas, our Toyotas and our iPhones.

I didn't ask for pics to take up the whole screen. I'd be quite interested in how you applied those car models to those phone models. Personally, I'd liken the Evo to a Hummer, given its large size (although the Droid X is even bigger) and horrid battery life. I hear the Droid X is pretty good in that department though.
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post #96 of 106
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Originally Posted by AppleStud View Post

Ugh, here we go again. Not gonna happen, folks.

There's also a persistent rumor of a "Verizon iPhone" and a "White iPhone". Won't happen, folks. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

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post #97 of 106
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I didn't ask for pics to take up the whole screen. I'd be quite interested in how you applied those car models to those phone models. Personally, I'd liken the Evo to a Hummer, given its large size (although the Droid X is even bigger) and horrid battery life. I hear the Droid X is pretty good in that department though.

Sorry, but I guess I don't really know the tricks of the [IMG] tag. The pics were MUCH smaller on their home sites.

I chose Lamborghini because it is high performance, but to my taste, garish compared to a Ferrari.

I chose the Porsche SUV for the reason you chose the Hummer, the size, but also because it is supposed to be high performance despite the bulk.

I've never really looked closely at any particular Android phone because I have another year with ATT. If there was a hot-shit Android phone that would work, I'd look more closely. I was tempted by the Nexus One, but in the end, I didn't get one.
post #98 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Here's a good article on the effects of fragmentation:

Android doubles market share in six months

Google's mobile operating system is the No. 1 platform for users who recently purchased a smartphone

http://vator.tv/news/2010-10-06-andr...-in-six-months



I like the article because it focuses on different data from different sources, and analyzes what sorts of conclusions can be drawn from each.

interesting you did not include the marketshare....considering Apple is _killing_ Android in marketshare. Of course Androids relative increase is impressive, considering it started from just about 0%. I like how the troll moved away from the developer discussion as I made a complete ass out of him.

http://vator.tv/news/2010-10-06-andr...-in-six-months

post #99 of 106
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Originally Posted by Doorman. View Post

Guys, why do you assume that the smaller phone would be a cheaper, lower technology model?
Doesn't the progress in technology make the size of everything smaller? Could it be that a smaller "iPhone nano" will be a super high-end model?

P.S. That is rhetorical question. Just let you open your mind.

I actually agree, smaller does not mean cheaper.

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post #100 of 106
Fragmented OS is bad for developers but good for consumers. They simply have more iPhone choices which would lead to more iPhone purchases. This is good for Apple and for its stock price.

I recently switched from iPhone to Android Evo 4g due to the terrible ATT service: I just could not make phone calls! Man, that Evo rocks. Not only it has 4.3" screen, unlike iPhone it hides top and bottom browser bars in full screen mode, making screen even bigger relative to iPhone which with these bars has only about 3.1" usable screen. The Sprint 4G network is as fast as my home wi-fi: I have desktop broadband browsing speed, the phone feels like mini-tablet, and I have no problems with reception and dropped calls. Android App store has now huge selection of apps.

I believe Apple must come up with both smaller and specially larger iPhones.

I see a lineup of 2", 3.5", 4.5" iPhones and 7" and 10" iPads.
Smaller iphone could be even a flip-phone or some other innovative form factor.

iPad should have optional models with phone capability to use with bluetooth stereo headsets.

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post #101 of 106
I am thinking that Apple will do something a little radical with a smaller phone.

The other idea about going bigger. Not so much a bigger phone, but a smaller iPad.

As far as the smaller phone. It actually won't be a phone but a FaceTime, iPod device.

That new WiFi on steriods should start taking shape sometime next year. I can't believe Apple would make such a small phone with a 3G or 4G multichip.

The vPod (video iPod) could have streaming capabilities to be able to store 'packets' of music playlists (making it possible to have alot of music available & perhaps some apps or games that could play on the smaller screen.

Perhaps even, with the new Data Farm coming online soon, Apple could make something else special happen.
post #102 of 106
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

What evidence do you have that "Different screen resolutions, processor speeds, and memory sizes" are "starting to really hurt Android"?

All the evidence I've seen is that Android is rapidly gaining both market share and mind share among consumers. There are several hot-selling Android phones. There are several high performance Android phones, with different stuff emphasized, like a big screen or a special software suite. And there are several el-cheapo Android phones. There are even some locked-down Android phones.

All the evidence I see is that Android is tailored to meet the desires of many different types of phone buyers, and that far from starting to hurt Android, it is starting to make Android huge.

Actually there's another variable that's not much on these forums, which is how Google/YouTube pretty much won the video default web site award: the Android Marketplace (much like YouTube was [is?]) is loaded with tons and tons of rip-offs of copyrighted content unavailable on an unlocked iPhone.

And people have shown little compunction about being able to get access to material they want whether or not it's in violation.

Overall I have to believe this is all about a) the fact that as is most commonly rumored since the original launch, Apple got committed for five years, and b) seeing RIM, MS and Nokia as the competition thought it wouldn't matter - which as history has shown, it wouldn't have, but c) Android changed the equation and ramped up the pressure before the agreement ran out.

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post #103 of 106
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Originally Posted by bullhead View Post

Don't see Apple doing this as it does nothing but fragment the iOS market. Different screen resolutions, processor speeds, and memory sizes are what causes problems for application developers. This is what is starting to really hurt Android and what currently hurts everyone, including Apple.

Apple reduces this pain by only releasing one model of iphone per year so developers only have to test on iPhone 4, iPhone 3gs, and iPad to cover all the users. Constrast this to all the other mobile platforms where there are so many different models and configurations that your apps have no chance of running on all the devices.

I don't see anything hurting android... seems to be doing, er, quite well.

I think this is an obvious next move for apple, and I think it's a really smart one.
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post #104 of 106
More unsubstaniated rumors. Possible, but then again we've heard this before.
post #105 of 106
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Clearly you don't understand how fast and smooth the phones run using Android 2.2

The HTC Evo using Linpack got a score of 37.593 MFLOPS using Android 2.2.

In its element, the Hummer is fast. Nothing can traverse desert landscape like a Hummer.

But I chose the Porsche SUV, because it is big and good in rugged situations, but also fleet and solid on the road. It packs every feature in an elegant package, appealing to both function and luxury.

The iPhone is more like a Toyota RAV4 - it appeals to the masses and does most common things perfectly OK. It was innovative in its day, but has been surpassed by other brands and is bested in particular areas by a slew of competitors.
post #106 of 106
Uh-oh! Here comes the iPod play, as pretty much expected sooner or later.

Establish the marque, secure the high-end, then start to diversify outwards and downwards.

Now I understand why Nokia's launched its all-out multi-venue litigation offensive.

If this plays out as expected, then bye-bye Nokia handset share (not just talking smartphones here).
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