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A Verizon executive responded to reports of a Verizon iPhone by telling the press that any news would come from Apple, not Verizon.

Macworld reports that Verizon President and COO Lowell McAdam made the comments at a press conference at the CTIA conference in San Francisco.

When asked to comment about a story from The Wall Street Journal that Apple will begin building a Verizon-compatible iPhone by the end of the year, McAdam dismissed the story as "one of those things that rolls out every few weeks whether there's a basis for it or not."

"I can't give you any insights," he continued. "But I think Apple is the one that has to make that announcement."

McAdam remains hopeful that a deal will eventually be reached, especially as Verizon rolls out its Long-Term Evolution 4G data network.

What Ive always said is I expect at some point in time our business interests are going to align," McAdam said. "I think things like LTE are another great reason why theyd want a device or tablet on that network. But I dont have anything to say today about timing.

In September, Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg downplayed rumors of an upcoming Verizon iPhone by telling investors that he hopes Apple will work with Verizon to sell an LTE 4G smartphone.

Despite the remarks, rumors have persisted that a CDMA iPhone will arrive in early 2011.
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Well what do you know, ANOTHER story on a fictional Verizon deal.

Or is it just another ploy to stop xmas sales and have people hold out for the Verizon phone instead of buying a new iPhone over the xmas period. When it doesnt happen and everyone else is sold out these people have no other option but to settle for an Android phone.

And thus the cycle repeats.

Seriously the CDMA phone is for the chinese market. This has just been blown out of proportion to halt sales, just like the iPhone 5 rumour that was circling today also.
post #3 of 45
And by "business interests aligning" he means he expects Apple will eventually agree to Verizon having their own app store, loading their iPhone with crap ware, and doing everything in their power to steer iPhone users towards their own paid services.

They've had a lot of success with Android phones now-- and none of their Android "partners" are in a position to say no to anything Verizon might want to do-- so I'd imagine they're less ready to deal than ever. They can tell Apple that they really don't need the iPhone, so unless they're ready to play ball the Verizon way they can take a hike.

Meanwhile, after at first appearing to be ready to allow Android to be Android, Verizon seem to be moving back towards their old "it's our phone, we can do what we want with it" model. Personally, if acquiescing to that is what it takes to get the iPhone on Verizon's network, it doesn't seem worth it. Much is made of Android's US sales gains, but Apple is playing a global game here, and in the global scheme of things Verizon isn't that significant.
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post #4 of 45
This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

I think you're right.
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And by "business interests aligning" he means he expects Apple will eventually agree to Verizon having their own app store, loading their iPhone with crap ware, and doing everything in their power to steer iPhone users towards their own paid services.[/URL]

Something like that. Certainly it's garbage along those lines that is the impasse now. Verizon has a good network, but also the slimiest execs on Earth. (Know this first-hand, I'm afraid.)
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While still a rumor, the verizon guy most certainly alludes that something is in the works. To me it says that something is cooking, but we can't say anything or we'll get in trouble.
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

Yep, that is the conclusion I drew. If anything this gives me more hope than anything I have thus far read.
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post #9 of 45
Android success my ass. They tried it and failed. They now must take the iPhone in all it's glory.
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

Yes, he was intriguingly mealy-mouthed.
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

Contrast Verizon's distance with Intel's eagerness, just before Apple said, "It'sTrue!" that Apple is transitioning to Intel back in 2006. Otellini couldn't contain himself talking about the prospects of having Apple as a customer of Intel chips. This, while he neither denied nor confirmed the rumor...

All Verizon has is that vaporous comment, " It's up to Apple..."

A CDMA phone goes nicely in China, Latin America, and parts of Europe. Verizon?
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I completely disagree that these remarks represent intriguing ambiguity or imply the iPhone is on its way to Verizon.

If you imagine that negotiations have stalled around the issues I mentioned, saying in effect "it's up to Apple" is a way of putting pressure on Apple to accept Verizon's terms. It's like saying "Hey, we're here, we're ready to roll, if Apple want's to sell the iPhone through Verizon we can make that happen-- all they have to do is drop their silly desire to control the user experience."
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post #13 of 45
Some things to keep in mind about this whole situation ...

Apple likely has an active agreement with AT&T concerning mobile phones. Indications thus far suggest, but do not prove, that the original iPhone agreement may not apply to the iPad.

Verizon has stated that LTE will be exclusively for data. 3G (i.e. EV-DO) will be used to carry voice. An iPad does not need to be enabled for EV-DO (but it would only work in LTE markets if that approach were taken).

Don't be surprised if the iPad arrives on VZW before the iPhone does. Doing that would give Apple time to work out LTE issues before putting it into a phone.
post #14 of 45
Its non-information, but it indicates one thing: the Verizon guy at least understands how communications work when you partner with Apple on a future product
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

Exactly, Elliots11! Verizon now realizes they are not in the driver's seat. Apple is and Apple was 4 years ago when they passed up on the most innovative product of the last decade...what schmucks their executive staff are!

Go Apple!
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Seems like apple is training Verizon that APPLE runs the show.
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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4 View Post

Seems like apple is training Verizon that APPLE runs the show.

Bingo, Bushman4! You hit the nail on the proverbial head, so to speak!
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I knew it was baloney the whole time. You guys should listen to me. Then you wouldn't get all excited over nothing.

Seriously though, whats wrong with the wsj?
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Go Apple!

YEAH!! Go Apple! Woot!!!

How is not making a deal with multiple carriers something to cheer for? Only on this forum kids. Only on this forum.
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What's Apple's deal with telecoms in markets where there are multiple carriers? Do they subsidize and if so how much per phone?
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The whole quote "Apple needs to make that announcement" is what got me.

Someone with wishful thinking on here last week I think it was, had said that Verizon at the event in January would have it's "one more thing" moment - having Steve Jobs walk out to announce the iPhone on Verizon.

I think that person may be right. If you follow the quote... well Apple would indeed be announcing it.

Who knows, I've been reluctant to post about any of the Verizon speculation because the past has proven nothing is certain.

I just really hope this is the real deal... and sadly only time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

YEAH!! Go Apple! Woot!!!

How is not making a deal with multiple carriers something to cheer for? Only on this forum kids. Only on this forum.

Sounds like they're pissed they saddled themselves with an AT&T contract 6 months ago.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I knew it was baloney the whole time. You guys should listen to me. Then you wouldn't get all excited over nothing.

Seriously though, whats wrong with the wsj?

You know what was baloney over what time? Listen to you about what? Who's excited about anything?

Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with the wsj [sic]. (FYI - and fwiw - their internal policies would not allow something like this to be published without at least two credible sources willing to reveal themselves to the editors).
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You know what was baloney over what time? Listen to you about what? Who's excited about anything?

Omg! Please! No topic gets the fan base here more up in arms than the verizon iPhone rumor!
post #25 of 45
Hmm I wonder if other carriers would cave in with Apples demands. An HSPA+ iphone could sound good for at&t and t-mobile.
post #26 of 45
Just be patient.. Jason Chen in the next few weeks will get his hands on a stolen CDMA iPhone prototype and show it to everyone. He's been spotted at different bars everynight near Cupertino looking for drunk Apple engineers.
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Just be patient.. Jason Chen in the next few weeks will get his hands on a stolen CDMA iPhone prototype and show it to everyone. He's been spotted at different bars everynight near Cupertino looking for drunk Apple engineers.

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My bet, there is no iPhone for Verizon in Q1:2011. The soonest Verizon will see the iPhone is sometime in 2012 once LTE is rolled out broadly. Even then, it is likely that any LTE phone will require a CDMA fallback with may not be something Apple is willing to deal with. When Apple does intro an LTE phone its fallback will be to UMTS and GSM.

The more likely scenario is T-Mobile will end up with an iPhone. There are now chipsets available that do five-band UMTS. Nokia is introducing phones will all 5 UMTS bands this year. Also expect the next iPhone to be HSPA+. Although, since Apple is not big in to tethering, I am not sure why you would need HSPA+ on a pocket device, unless, you are able to get it in to a small form factor and take advantage of the better speeds.
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Originally Posted by elliots11 View Post

This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

My thoughts exactly. It is not in Verizon or Apple's best interest to leak this early. Neither company wants to suppress sales of existing products. All the tea leaf reading that goes on from Verizon CEO commentary is just silly.
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While still a rumor, the verizon guy most certainly alludes that something is in the works. To me it says that something is cooking, but we can't say anything or we'll get in trouble.

This is a prime example of how a rumor is started. The source says nothing to substantiate anything but an interpretation gets printed anyway citing the interpretation as being a statement from a reputable inside source when in fact nothing was actually said.

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What's Apple's deal with telecoms in markets where there are multiple carriers? Do they subsidize and if so how much per phone?

In the UK - all carriers now sell the iPhone. Europe is all GSM so there's no incompatible networks.
The phones are mostly sold subsidised, but you can also buy unsubsidised.

The level of subsidy and the airtime deals vary from carrier to carrier.

With a sufficiently big contract - the phone comes free.


Example - Three Network
Black 32GB - £189 /$301
2 Yr Contract £30/ $47 pm
Includes 1GB 3G Data and tethering.

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You know what was baloney over what time? Listen to you about what? Who's excited about anything?

Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with the wsj [sic]. (FYI - and fwiw - their internal policies would not allow something like this to be published without at least two credible sources willing to reveal themselves to the editors)[.

If this was true how do you explain the wsj's almost quarterly prediction of a Verizon iPhone for the last two years being wrong?

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You know what was baloney over what time? Listen to you about what? Who's excited about anything?

Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with the wsj [sic]. (FYI - and fwiw - their internal policies would not allow something like this to be published without at least two credible sources willing to reveal themselves to the editors).

hahaha what!? Omg. If only.

What a wonderful world this would be, if mainstream press was EVER honest, truthful, or thorough.

The WSJ is a rag, just like the NYT, just like every second of programming on every single news network.

I can't believe people still believe that's real journalism.
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This is exactly how Verizon is supposed to act and exactly what they're supposed to say if they either have reached or will reach a deal with Apple. Keep it a secret. Deny without really denying. Not saying they have, but they're playing their cards right to be certain.

Isn't that also exactly how they are supposed to act and say if there are no negotiations and not pending deal in the works?

Seriously - just because sometimes people - including Steve Jobs - publicly say something that soon thereafter turns out to be exactly the opposite of reality such that at the time the original statement was made he is no way he could have been unaware of the impending announcement - does not mean that EVERY time ANYONE makes a specific claim that the opposite will NECESSARILY be true in the IMMEDIATE future.

While I cannot believe that there has been NO communication of ANY kind between Apple and Verizon - I have seen nothing that is a documented source from either company that would point to any imminent deal.

Forgetting the companies and products involved - it is in the best interest of any company representative not to say anything publicly that would have a negative impact on that company.

Even if the guy knows for a fact that there is no deal in the works whatsoever, or knows for a fact that a deal is weeks away from being signed and has the date of the announcement - he comments are consistent and do not confirm or deny either way.

Guess what - sometimes - when someone makes a statement it is literally true - and there is no subterfuge involved at all.
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Hmm I wonder if other carriers would cave in with Apples demands. An HSPA+ iphone could sound good for at&t and t-mobile.

The iPhone is carried by over 150 carriers worldwide.
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If this was true how do you explain the wsj's almost quarterly prediction of a Verizon iPhone for the last two years being wrong?

Can you show me the article from two years ago? I am not saying you're wrong, but I don't recall it.
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hahaha what!? Omg. If only.

What a wonderful world this would be, if mainstream press was EVER honest, truthful, or thorough.

The WSJ is a rag, just like the NYT, just like every second of programming on every single news network.

I can't believe people still believe that's real journalism.

That's why I prefaced what I said, "FYI" and "fwiw." I guess I should have added "ymmv".....

You are free to believe whatever you want to. Or not. It's a free country.
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

YEAH!! Go Apple! Woot!!!

How is not making a deal with multiple carriers something to cheer for? Only on this forum kids. Only on this forum.

... iPhone makes more money for Apple every quarter. Get ready for a record quarter.
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Exactly, Elliots11! Verizon now realizes they are not in the driver's seat. Apple is and Apple was 4 years ago when they passed up on the most innovative product of the last decade...what schmucks their executive staff are!

Go Apple!

Oh Please, So you are saying Verizon needs the iPhone more than Apple need Verizon?

Nonsense!

If anything, Verizon has more leverage than ever.

Verizon will not sell their soul like AT&T did. Whether you agree with Verizon is a different story.
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Oh Please, So you are saying Verizon needs the iPhone more than Apple need Verizon?

Nonsense!

If anything, Verizon has more leverage than ever.

Verizon will not sell their soul like AT&T did. Whether you agree with Verizon is a different story.

Please get real. Why would Apple want to even consider any of Verizon's conditions when they can't produce enough product to meet demand and they have many foreign countries just waiting for Apple products.

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