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Component suppliers in Taiwan have indicated to one Wall Street analyst that Apple's next-generation iPad will sport a 7-inch high-resolution Retina Display, a camera, and 128GB of capacity -- and that it could sell 45 million in 2011.

Brian White of Ticonderoga Securities said this week that suppliers contacted during a trip to Taipei indicated that Apple plans to launch a new iPad in the first quarter of the 2011 calendar year. In addition to having a smaller 7-inch size, he also said the device will have a "micro or mini USB" port.

The information is similar to what Goldman Sachs said in late September, including the addition of a USB port. If true, the addition of a new port could be a result of the European Union making MicroUSB the default charging method for mobile devices.

White said the next-generation iPad will replace the first-generation iPad when it is released next year. He made no mention of Apple maintaining the 9.7-inch model, though Goldman Sachs said the new 7-inch variety would be in addition to the current screen size.

The source also indicated that Apple could sell as many as 45 million iPad units in 2011. That's more than double Ticonderoga's projection of 21.8 million next year.

White also said that his overseas contact's company shipped more than 6 million iPad components (one per device) in the third quarter of calendar 2010, and expects to ship 7 million for the holiday season.

"These numbers are well above our iPad forecasts of 3.8 million in the September quarter and 5.37 million in the December quarter," he wrote. "Essentially, this equates to 13 million units for the second-half of (calendar year) 2010 versus our forecast of 9.17 million units."

Ticonderoga initiated its coverage of AAPL stock this week, with an in-depth 85-page note to analysts in which White said he believes the stock price will hit $430 in the next 12 months. The analyst said he believes the iPad will be the "most coveted gift this holiday season."
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Need to know when the new one comes out so I can sell my original ipad. I'm hopeing for the same size with Retina and more storage. Facetime with a camera would just be a bonus.
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I do hope they do not discontinue the large-screen version. The only thing that could make the iPad better for me is a retina display and perhaps more RAM. Things I do not give a shit about: cameras, HDMI output, 7" screens, other carriers, and increased storage.
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White said the next-generation iPad will replace the first-generation iPad when it is released next year. He made no mention of Apple maintaining the 9.7-inch model, though Goldman Sachs said the new 7-inch variety would be in addition to the current screen size.

There is no chance of this happening.

So Apple sends developers down a path of creating apps for a 9.7" form factor only to discontinue that screen size in favor of something smaller in less than a year?

Right.

I would, however, love a 9.7" Retina display.
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Need to know when the new one comes out so I can sell my original ipad. I'm hopeing for the same size with Retina and more storage. Facetime with a camera would just be a bonus.

Why sell the original? It would be like selling an original Model T car by Ford.

Even though I find mine to be basically a POS in terms of utility lately, I intend to put it back in it's box and keep it for posterity. Someday I will get the same charge I get out of it that I do when I turn on my Commodore 64 monitor.
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It's as likely to have a blender built into it as have those specs.
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I made a comment some time ago about this possibility and there are some important and exciting facts that people should be aware if this happens:

iPhone 4 screen dimensions are 3" x 2" and sports a resolution of 960x640. Multiply dimensions by 2 and you have the 6" x 4" (7.2" diagonal) iPad Screen.

Following the same approach for the resolution and multiplying by 2 we have 1920x1280 Retina Display iPad.

That is 1280p video in a 7.2" inch display!!! Damn, I can't wait to see if this becomes real. I would buy one on day one!
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... White said the next-generation iPad will replace the first-generation iPad when it is released next year. ...

This is certainly wrong. It would be a suicidal move for Apple to change the form factor of the iPad and discontinue the old one.

One of the main indicators of a new 7" model being offered will be the presence of two models in early testing rumours (if there are any rumours or leaks to that effect). If it gets close to the release date and we only know of one model being tested, it will certainly be the same size as this years model. Apple would have to be insane to radically change the form factor of their best selling product of all time on the first iteration, (and Apple is not insane).
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I made a comment some time ago about this possibility and there are some important and exciting facts that people should be aware if this happens:

iPhone 4 screen dimensions are 3" x 2" and sports a resolution of 960x640. Multiply dimensions by 2 and you have the 6" x 4" (7.2" diagonal) iPad Screen.

Following the same approach for the resolution and multiplying by 2 we have 1920x1280 Retina Display iPad.

That is 1280p video in a 7.2" inch display!!! Damn, I can't wait to see if this becomes real. I would buy one on day one!

This makes a lot of sense to me.

I just hope it's an iPad "pro" and drops the gigantic bezels on the sides for something a little more easily holdable/pocketable and retains the iPhone desktop icon setup instead of the IPad's, so we can actually use the thing for serious business.
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128gb SSD's are far too expensive, blows this rumour apart!
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128gb SSD's are far too expensive, blows this rumour apart!

Who's talkin about ssds?
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So now we have sales estimates for a rumored form factor?
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This is certainly wrong. It would be a suicidal move for Apple to change the form factor of the iPad and discontinue the old one.

One of the main indicators of a new 7" model being offered will be the presence of two models in early testing rumours (if there are any rumours or leaks to that effect). If it gets close to the release date and we only know of one model being tested, it will certainly be the same size as this years model. Apple would have to be insane to radically change the form factor of their best selling product of all time on the first iteration, (and Apple is not insane).

Nah, they will keep the 9.7 for sure. It's the perfect size for most people and applications. I believe the sales ratio of the possible two models (9.7'' vs. 7'') will be about 3:1 or at best 2:1 . Worth wile to go for it but no reason to drop the bigger one.
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Even though I find mine to be basically a POS in terms of utility lately...

What about its functionality has become POS to you after only a couple of months?
Mine has become more valuable to me every day.
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So now we have sales estimates for a rumored form factor?

Yep! That's what we do here 90% of the time spreading rumors about rumors.
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Component suppliers in Taiwan have indicated to one Wall Street analyst that Apple's next-generation iPad will sport a 7-inch high-resolution Retina Display, a camera, and 128GB of capacity -- and that it could sell 45 million in 2011.

This projection is based on the calculation that if 45 million people buy the device Apple will sell 45 million units. On the other hand, if 39.5 million individuals buy one unit each Apple will only sell 39.5 million units. But Apple still could sell 45 million units.

Phew... this is really insightful stuff. Coming from a supplier, and all.

Beyond that - if the devices comes with 128GB storage it will signal a new direction in terms of the intended use for the iPad. That is a serious amount of storage for 'media consumption'.
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This makes a lot of sense to me.

I just hope it's an iPad "pro" and drops the gigantic bezels on the sides for something a little more easily holdable/pocketable and retains the iPhone desktop icon setup instead of the IPad's, so we can actually use the thing for serious business.

The bezel is fine. Any smaller and you're holding it with your fingers touching the screen.
The 'bezel too big' thing is as silly as the 'it should be 16:9' nonsense.
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So now we have sales estimates for a rumored form factor?



Nail. Meet head.
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128gb SSD's are far too expensive, blows this rumour apart!

It doesn't say 128gb SSDs... its says 128gb of memory. With the amount of room the iPad has they can easily cram multiple chips into it to achieve 128gb with 4 chips.
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It's as likely to have a blender built into it as have those specs.

Yep, one with pixie dust.
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There is no chance of this happening.

So Apple sends developers down a path of creating apps for a 9.7" form factor only to discontinue that screen size in favor of something smaller in less than a year?

Right.

I would, however, love a 9.7" Retina display.

First of all, the introduction of a new size iPad does not automatically signal the demise of the current size.

Second, the Retina Display rumor is a crock. 7" Retina Display parts are just starting to emerge on the market and it is doubtful that the supply availability and pricing would make it favorable for Apple to include this. Theoretically, the 7" iPad would have to be less expensive than the 9.7" iPad, and that won't happen if they put a Retina Display in it.

Let's face it, we are several years away from seeing a Retina Display iPad (regardless of screen size).
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I do hope they do not discontinue the large-screen version. The only thing that could make the iPad better for me is a retina display and perhaps more RAM. Things I do not give a shit about: cameras, HDMI output, 7" screens, other carriers, and increased storage.

I dont't even care about the screen. I think the current one is quite wonderful. I do want more storage and ram. None of the other stuff makes a difference to me.
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What about its functionality has become POS to you after only a couple of months?
Mine has become more valuable to me every day.

I am a writer and I do a lot of artwork. I was hoping to use the iPad as a portable computer for writing and drawing and after much testing it basically fails at both (IMO of course). It's impossible to do any serious data entry basically without putting it down on a table top in a special case. It's also impossible to draw much of anything but stick figures without a huge effort. I need (would like) to be able to quickly and accurately sketch out ideas as well as type long documents while I'm moving about.

In other words I need a portable computer, but the iPad is more of a portable screen. It's great for browsing the web, watching videos, and reading books/comics, and it's also good for games, but those are all things I do rarely and none of them are things I do while mobile except perhaps watching video podcasts which I find my iPhone is actually much better at.
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The bezel is fine. Any smaller and you're holding it with your fingers touching the screen.
The 'bezel too big' thing is as silly as the 'it should be 16:9' nonsense.

I meant the sides only. It should be like the iPhone IMO so you can type on it properly. One of the drawbacks to the current iPad is that it's almost impossible to thumb-type on it because of the large side bezels.

I think this makes sense in terms of the utility of the iPad and the fact that it's supposed to work in all four orientations. However I think that to do serious work, one's "desktop" (home screen) has to have either a preferred orientation or a preferred axis (like the iPhone), and that the bezels should reflect that by being smaller on the sides.
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Welcome to the forum, guitarer1c2 and JackFuchs.

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There is no chance of this happening.

So Apple sends developers down a path of creating apps for a 9.7" form factor only to discontinue that screen size in favor of something smaller in less than a year?

Right.

I would, however, love a 9.7" Retina display.

Their competitors coming out 7” tablets with USB ports seem to be the basis for this rumour. They’ve have to have a new UI for it and an SDK for making apps that work ideally for this new size. It seems way to early to introduce a new wrench at this point.

As great as it would be I think a Retina Display on the iPad is a long way off. Even if we consider the minimum socially accepted usage of 20/20 vision at 10” away from your eyes we’re still talking a 286ppi display, which is well under the 326ppi on the iPhone 4 and G4 iPod Touch.

Even if Apple doubles the pixels like they did between the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4, moving from 1024x768 to 2048x1536 that is still only 264ppi, which is damn close but still shy of what I’d call the "minimum Retina Display demarcation point”, even though most people wouldn’t be able to see the pixels at that point as most don’t have 20/20 vision.

However, those specs were based on 10-12” away, but Apple could argue that one tends to hold a tablet farther away thus making the 20/20 at 16” away a viable candidate for a Retina Display stamp… with an asterisk and footnote.

Note: if this rumour is real and Apple does make a 7” iPad using the same 4:3 aspect ratio the PPI will be 183. That is still pretty good for that size device



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Who's talkin about ssds?

You’re right in that Apple has used on-board NAND instead of a separate 1.8” or 2.5” SSD, but you could have addressed his comment about 128GB of NAND storage likely being cost prohibitive. Plus, the 10” iPad would likely get it at or before any 7” iPad.
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I am a writer and I do a lot of artwork. I was hoping to use the iPad as a portable computer for writing and drawing and after much testing it basically fails at both (IMO of course). It's impossible to do any serious data entry basically without putting it down on a table top in a special case. It's also impossible to draw much of anything but stick figures without a huge effort. I need (would like) to be able to quickly and accurately sketch out ideas as well as type long documents while I'm moving about.

In other words I need a portable computer, but the iPad is more of a portable screen. It's great for browsing the web, watching videos, and reading books/comics, and it's also good for games, but those are all things I do rarely and none of them are things I do while mobile except perhaps watching video podcasts which I find my iPhone is actually much better at.


Maybe you should look at the recent rumors of an updated macbook air. That seems to be what you're looking for. A real keyboard, for now, will always beat a touchscreen for loads of input. For the drawing thing I suggest a sketch pad and colored pencils.
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I am a writer and I do a lot of artwork. I was hoping to use the iPad as a portable computer for writing and drawing and after much testing it basically fails at both (IMO of course). It's impossible to do any serious data entry basically without putting it down on a table top in a special case. It's also impossible to draw much of anything but stick figures without a huge effort. I need (would like) to be able to quickly and accurately sketch out ideas as well as type long documents while I'm moving about.

In other words I need a portable computer, but the iPad is more of a portable screen. It's great for browsing the web, watching videos, and reading books/comics, and it's also good for games, but those are all things I do rarely and none of them are things I do while mobile except perhaps watching video podcasts which I find my iPhone is actually much better at.

How were you planning to do 'serious data entry' without putting the thing down. Or do you just mean it is no good for 'lap work'? I find the iPad good to write on but it has to be set up in its special case. I haven't tried to use a BT keyboard but I suspect it would be fine.

As far as drawing anything but a stick figure... you are kidding, right? It depends on your type of art and style of creative expression but the iPad has several good packages. David Hockney uses one all the time http://www.ipadforums.net/apple-ipad...-his-ipad.html and here is a couple of pretty impressive videos -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__rPHTWxS4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzGm-WKo91c
There are tons more.
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Beyond that - if the devices comes with 128GB storage it will signal a new direction in terms of the intended use for the iPad. That is a serious amount of storage for 'media consumption'.

Not if you start putting HD movies on it, there's a good chance that even the iPod Touch will jump to 128GB next year (bye bye classic?). The iPad has never been solely about media consumption anyway. I don't think a 128GB iPad would reflect anything other than a drop in the cost of flash memory.
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Their competitors coming out 7” tablets with USB ports seem to be the basis for this rumour.

Not true.

Rumors of a 7" tablet have been around even before the unveiling of the current iPad. These rumors did not start up because competitors started announcing 7" devices.

Let's face it. Apple experiments with a variety of parts, resulting in hundreds of prototype designs every year. Only a handful make it to market. It is highly likely that there have been prototype tablets between 5" and 17" sitting in a lab in Cupertino over the past eighteen months. Only one design became the iPad. Leaks from supply chain partners fuels these rumors, not what the competition has said in response to the iPad.
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Not if you start putting HD movies on it, there's a good chance that even the iPod Touch will jump to 128GB next year (bye bye classic?). The iPad has never been solely about media consumption anyway. I don't think a 128GB iPad would reflect anything other than a drop in the cost of flash memory.

Next year I can see for the iPod Touch as that is in September and the new shrinkage should be producing well by the time Apple needs production. Im not so sure about the next iPad though if we assume another April release.

Im also not so sure the iPod Classic would be dropped. They didnt upgrade the 1.8 HDD this year (Im sure Toshiba simply isnt investing in that tech anymore) but they also didnt lower the price which tells me that the production sales are still on mark. if we see an iPod Classic price drop before the next iPod Special Event then I think its possible that they could stop production.
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This projection is based on the calculation that if 45 million people buy the device Apple will sell 45 million units. On the other hand, if 39.5 million individuals buy one unit each Apple will only sell 39.5 million units. But Apple still could sell 45 million units.

Phew... this is really insightful stuff. Coming from a supplier, and all.

Beyond that - if the devices comes with 128GB storage it will signal a new direction in terms of the intended use for the iPad. That is a serious amount of storage for 'media consumption'.

I have to agree -- the Current MacBook Air has a 128 GB SDD option.

With more RAM (1 GB), and Dual Core CPU, the 9.7 tablet could do a good job of things like video editing.

Say:

-- a new 7" tablet for $299
-- the current 9.7" tablet at $399
-- the new 9.7" tablet starting at $499

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Not true.

Rumors of a 7" tablet have been around even before the unveiling of the current iPad. These rumors did not start up because competitors started announcing 7" devices.

The inclusion of this rumour means Im speculating on this rumour not all rumours. People did mockups of 7 iTablets long before the iPad was ever announced, but I dont think those previous rumours are necessarily binding to any future rumours because they mention the same size display.
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Whatever they do, the next gen iPad has to have a high resolution screen.

Text on the current iPad looks terrible next to the iPhone 4.
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Nah, they will keep the 9.7 for sure. It's the perfect size for most people and applications. I believe the sales ratio of the possible two models (9.7'' vs. 7'') will be about 3:1 or at best 2:1 . Worth wile to go for it but no reason to drop the bigger one.

I actually think it will be closer to 1:1. If the price is right there could be a lot of iPod touch users who upgrade to a 7" iPad.
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Text on the current iPad looks terrible next to the iPhone 4.

Yeah it does. But what do they do? go double like with the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4?

Im not sure they can easily do that with todays tech or if they really need to. They kept the iPhone on the same resolution for 3 years, and least a year after it was woefully outdated. I have to think waiting for a proper display that will make this a non-issue will be more important to Apple than to have devs recompile for different resolutions each year.
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imo they should add an SD slot and drop the fix storage pattern. Standard mini-usb port would be nice too.

I hope they dont let competition take over for stupid things like that.
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imo they should add an SD slot and drop the fix storage pattern. Standard mini-usb port would be nice too.

SD NAND is so slow compared to the NAND Apple uses on-board. Ill sell my stock the moment Apple announces something like that.
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There is no chance of this happening.

So Apple sends developers down a path of creating apps for a 9.7" form factor only to discontinue that screen size in favor of something smaller in less than a year?

Right.

I would, however, love a 9.7" Retina display.

The current iPad has a 132 Pixel per inch display.
The current iPhone has a 326 Pixel per inch display.

If they doubled the current 3.5" iPhone display that would result in a 7" display.
It would have to have a resolution of 1920x1280.
That is higher than a 21" iMac!
I don't think it will happen because it would require a very powerful graphics chip.
It also creates ANOTHER resolution that developers have to target.

A more realistic solution is to use the current 1024x768 iPad resolution and shrink it to 7".
This would create a 7" iPad with a 183 Pixel per inch display.
Not quite retina quality, but no hoops for developers to jump through
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Yeah it does. But what do they do? go double like with the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4?

I’m not sure they can easily do that with today’s tech or if they really need to. They kept the iPhone on the same resolution for 3 years, and least a year after it was woefully outdated. I have to think waiting for a proper display that will make this a non-issue will be more important to Apple than to have devs recompile for different resolutions each year.

Would it be possible to produce a display with a resolution such that ipad apps would not require any recompilation, or would that be just too expensive?
Edit - what Johnny said above
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Great now we can measure apple's stock price in terms of ipads.

I am actually looking forward to the 7 inched. If it is slightly cheaper I think I can split it with someone without hurting my MacBook upgrade budget.
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