The Pelosi and Obama thread. - Page 2

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Supposing this was th first white president and whites had beej in chains for centuries, what then?

Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon Granted to
All Persons of European Descent

Whereas, Europeans kept my forebears in bondage some three centuries toiling without pay,

Whereas, Europeans ignored the human rights pledges of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution,

Whereas, the Emancipation Proclamation, the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments meant little more than empty words,

Therefore, Americans of European ancestry are guilty of great crimes against my ancestors and their progeny.

But, in the recognition Europeans themselves have been victims of various and sundry human rights violations to wit: the Norman Conquest, the Irish Potato Famine, Decline of the Hapsburg Dynasty, Napoleonic and Czarist adventurism, and gratuitous insults and speculations about the intelligence of Europeans of Polish descent,

I, Walter E. Williams, do declare full and general amnesty and pardon to all persons of European ancestry, for both their own grievances, and those of their forebears, against my people.

Therefore, from this day forward Americans of European ancestry can stand straight and proud knowing they are without guilt and thus obliged not to act like damn fools in their relationships with Americans of African ancestry.


Walter E. Williams, Gracious and Generous Grantor

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Poll: Many Obama 2008 supporters defecting to GOP

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Poll: Many Obama 2008 supporters defecting to GOP



"They're defecting because they're not thinking rationally! It has nothing to do with my policies!"

Democratic strategist James Carville told ABC's George Stephanopoulos Monday that he could envision Pelosi losing her leadership position even if Democrats maintain a House majority.
Carville's comments follow pledges from several Democratic incumbents affirming that they will not support her continuation as Speaker of the House.

Georgia Democratic Rep. Jim Marshall is one of those lawmakers. Marshall told The Upshot that he has long desired a different candidate, having "always preferred somebody at the middle of spectrum as Speaker." And he's pledged publicly to support someone else when Pelosi's term ends in January.

Even so, Marshall voted for her in 2007 and 2009--as did many other moderate and conservative Dems who counted on Pelosi's aid in winning past elections. Marshall says now he was hamstrung because Pelosi had the votes locked up and there was no alternative presented in his party. "She was going to be the Speaker --period," Marshall said.

But after this year's elections, the congressman says things will be different: "I'm certain that there is an opportunity here to get more centrist leadership."

In addition to Marshall, Gene Taylor (Miss.) Bobby Bright (Ala.) and Walt Minnick (Idaho) have all recently indicated that after this year's elections, they will not support Pelosi for another term as Speaker, CQ-Roll Call reports. All are moderate Democrats in conservative districts.

Marshall, Bright and other Democrats around the country are all now running ads distancing themselves from Pelosi--something Marshall suggests he had to do in order to directly respond to Republican attempts to align him with the Speaker and cast him as a liberal.

Originally Posted by segovius

Here is an example of how YOU are not thinking rationally.

If the Left are 'Commies' and they are defecting because of Obama's policies then it follows that they are defecting because he is too Right.

Which means you should then agree with him.

If, oth, the Left are Right (could happen in Winger-world) then they are defecting because he is a Commie and you should agree with the Left.

In fact you disagree with both which might be confusing at first glance but since I've been enlightened by Guru Trumpington I know that "you are he and I is me and we are all together, left is right and black is white..."

Originally Posted by segovius

Here is an example of how YOU are not thinking rationally.

If the Left are 'Commies' and they are defecting because of Obama's policies then it follows that they are defecting because he is too Right.

Which means you should then agree with him.

If, oth, the Left are Right (could happen in Winger-world) then they are defecting because he is a Commie and you should agree with the Left.

In fact you disagree with both which might be confusing at first glance but since I've been enlightened by Guru Trumpington I know that "you are he and I is me and we are all together, left is right and black is white..."

Originally Posted by SDW2001

That's the thing sego, you've never understood where Americans are politically. It's a center-right country, particularly from an economic standpoint.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

... He's literally alienated the entire political spectrum, save a few groups: ... 3) The uneducated and ill-informed.

According to the latest survey from Gallup, Pelosi's favorability stands at just 29 percent down 7 points from early summer and down 13 points from January, 2009 when President Obama was inaugurated.

Pelosi's unfavorable rating has soared meanwhile, reaching 56 percent in the new poll up 15 points from January, 2009.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

TRENDING: Bad news for Dems: New low for Pelosi in Gallup poll



No doubt this is all a result of either fearful and unclear thinking or...keeping with the premise of this thread...a bunch of people suddenly realized that Nancy Pelosi is a woman, and their unfavorable rating of her suddenly jumped.

SAN DIEGO -- Incumbent U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer could be re-elected thanks in part to the supporters of Proposition 19, a state measure she opposes, according to data from a 10News poll.
The 10News poll shows Boxer could keep her seat by getting votes from what experts call "uniquely motivated voters."

Coming off a bare-knuckles debate this week, Democrat Jerry Brown hits his highest level of support to date in his race against Republican Meg Whitman to be the next governor of California.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds Brown with 50% of the vote to Whitmans 44%. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate in the race, and four percent (4%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording

Carly Fiorina currently leads by three points against Barbara Boxer in the race for United States Senate from California.

U.S. Senate Ballot
Total Fiorina\t46%
Total Boxer\t43%
Total Other Candidates\t5%
Undecided\t6%

Meg Whitman leads by one point in the race for Governor of California.

Governors Ballot
Total Whitman\t45%
Total Brown\t44%
Total Other Candidates\t4%
Undecided\t7%

Conclusions
Republicans currently hold narrow leads in Californias top two statewide races this fall, though both remain very competitive.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Opposition to Obama and Pelosi couldn't possibly have to do with things like this:

Debt Has Increased $5 Trillion Since Speaker Pelosi Vowed, No New Deficit Spending

Could it?

It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result each time.

For those living in the San Francisco Congressional district, that definition needs modification. The definition of insanity is voting for Nancy Pelosi year after year.

Examples abound of Pelosi's nonsensical pronouncements that leave sane people scratching their heads. Regarding healthcare reform legislation, for example, she said we have to 'pass the bill before we can find out what's in it.' She referred to Patriotic Americans in the Tea Party as dangerous extremists who have a penchant for violence and who may have connections with homegrown terrorists. She invoked religion to justify ObamaCare, claiming that Jesus taught it and that citizens should encourage their ministers to preach sermons supporting it. No matter that Jesus said absolutely nothing about creating government programs that do what individual people of faith should already be doing by their own free choice.

The latest example of unintelligible Pelosi-speak, however, is one gigantic whopper.

Pelosi paid a visit to Microsoft recently during which she made her oft-repeated claim that 'more priviate sector jobs have been created in first 8 months of Obama than during the entire 8 years of Bush.'

A report on the Pelosi visit at TechFlash says the following::

"During a Q&A with reporters, Pelosi noted that Republicans have 'poverty of ideas' and have little direction for the future of the country.

"'We are not going back to the failed economic agenda of George Bush, which the Republicans have said is there agenda should they win, she said.

"'Tell your friends this, in the first eight months of 2010, more jobs have been created in the private sector than in the eight years of the Bush administration,' she added."

Leftwing partisans are quick to jump on this claim as 'proof' that the economy has vastly improved under Barack Obama and the Democrats. Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, also chirped off these 'statistics' on Fox News. The problem is none of it is true.

A quick scan of the actual figures--from the Bureau of Labor Statistics--reveals that although 1.1 million news jobs were created under Bush, the private sector lost 673,000 jobs. But under Obama 3.3 MILLION jobs HAVE BEEN LOST, 2.9 million of which are PRIVATE SECTOR jobs. Under Obama, 2.9 million private sector jobs were lost in less than 18 months. Under Bush, 673,000 private sector jobs were lost over a period of 8 years.

These facts beg the question as to why voters in the districts of Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, and other members of the Leftwing ruling class keep sending these integrity-challenged hacks back to Washington, year after year.

Perhaps another look at the definition of insanity is in order.

Originally Posted by FineTunes

"'Tell your friends this, in the first eight months of 2010, more jobs have been created in the private sector than in the eight years of the Bush administration,' she added."

Man ging dabei von dem sehr richtigen Grundsatze aus, daß in der Größe der Lüge immer ein gewisser Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens liegt, da die breite Masse eines Volkes im tiefsten Grunde ihres Herzens leichter verdorben als bewußt und absichtlich schlecht sein wird, mithin bei der primitiven Einfalt ihres Gemütes einer großen Lüge leichter zum Opfer fällt als einer kleinen, da sie selber ja wohl manchmal im kleinen lügt, jedoch vor zu großen Lügen sich doch zu sehr schämen würde. Eine solche Unwahrheit wird ihr gar nicht in den Kopf kommen, und sie wird an die Möglichkeit einer so ungeheuren Frechheit der infamsten Verdrehung auch bei anderen nicht glauben können, ja selbst bei Aufklärung darüber noch lange zweifeln und schwanken und wenigstens irgendeine Ursache doch noch als wahr annehmen; daher denn auch von der frechsten Lüge immer noch etwas übrig und hängen bleiben wird - eine Tatsache, die alle großen Lügenkünstler und Lügen-vereine dieser Welt nur zu genau kennen und deshalb auch niederträchtig zur Anwendung bringen.

Originally Posted by jazzguru

Pelosi: 'We haven't really gotten the credit for what we have done'

Originally Posted by john galt

Sweet, sweet Nancy. Tell your friends this:

Man ging dabei von dem sehr richtigen Grundsatze aus, daß in der Größe der Lüge immer ein gewisser Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens liegt, da die breite Masse eines Volkes im tiefsten Grunde ihres Herzens leichter verdorben als bewußt und absichtlich schlecht sein wird, mithin bei der primitiven Einfalt ihres Gemütes einer großen Lüge leichter zum Opfer fällt als einer kleinen, da sie selber ja wohl manchmal im kleinen lügt, jedoch vor zu großen Lügen sich doch zu sehr schämen würde. Eine solche Unwahrheit wird ihr gar nicht in den Kopf kommen, und sie wird an die Möglichkeit einer so ungeheuren Frechheit der infamsten Verdrehung auch bei anderen nicht glauben können, ja selbst bei Aufklärung darüber noch lange zweifeln und schwanken und wenigstens irgendeine Ursache doch noch als wahr annehmen; daher denn auch von der frechsten Lüge immer noch etwas übrig und hängen bleiben wird - eine Tatsache, die alle großen Lügenkünstler und Lügen-vereine dieser Welt nur zu genau kennen und deshalb auch niederträchtig zur Anwendung bringen.

WASHINGTONConceding almost certain Republican gains in next month's crucial midterm elections, Democratic lawmakers vowed Tuesday not to give up without making one final push to ensure their party runs away from every major legislative victory of the past two years.

Party leaders told reporters that regardless of the ultimate outcome, they would do everything in their power from now until the polls closed to distance themselves from their hard-won passage of a historic health care overhaul, the toughest financial regulations since the 1930s, and a stimulus package most economists now credit with preventing a second Great Depression.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) acknowledged the task would be difficult, but said Democrats would remain steadfast in permitting their opponents to deride the accomplishments of the $787 billion Recovery Act, even as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reports that the 2009 measure has created millions of jobs.


According to party leaders, the Democrats are putting their sweeping new health care law at the top of the list of accomplishments to back away from, mainly by allowing its most popular provisionsfederal subsidies to make health care more affordable; allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26; and rules that prevent sick people from being denied coverageto be summarily dismissed as "Obamacare."


Political consultant James Carville praised the strategy, saying it was gratifying to see the party dissociate itself from what he described as some of the most useful and principled laws passed in nearly half a century.


When reached for comment, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told reporters he wasn't surprised his opponents were disowning policies he described as "disastrous for the economy, disastrous for families, and disastrous for America's future."

Mr. Baird recalls that he was "very excited" when his party took control of Congress in 2006, but he saw ominous signs early on. Before the 2006 election, he says, Mrs. Pelosi had 30 members working on a rules package to make the House more ethical and deliberative. "We abandoned all that work after the election, and leaders told us we should trust them to clean things up. I don't know a single member of the Democratic caucus who saw the final rules package before they voted on it."

Democrats also watered down efforts to practice fiscal responsibility. "We initially had numbers a bit more honest than the Republicans - we at least included war costs in the budget," he says. "Now we're authorizing programs for three years instead of five in an attempt to pretend we're saving money."

For some of the shortcomings of financial regulatory reform, Mr. Baird blames the disillusioning battle over ObamaCare. "When the House had to pass the Senate version of health care unchanged, some members asked why should they invest the mental effort in mastering the details" of financial reform. Mr. Baird found parts of the bill mind-numbing.

Regarding health care, his specialty, Mr. Baird gave House Democrats real heartburn. He voted against the first version of ObamaCare in November 2009, because the Congressional Budget Office and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services hadn't yet analyzed the bill's impact on insurance premiums and medical costs.

"What the hell were we doing voting on this? I had labor groups come to me and insist the bill was so important we couldn't wait to know what was in it," he recalls. "I asked them if they were handed a new union contract and told it was so important they had to agree to it without reading it, would they go along?" ...

... he acknowledges that the bill carried within it the seeds of its unpopularity. These include the nightmare mandate that all companies report to the IRS all of their business-to-business transactions over $600, so the government can capture unreported business income. At a recent forum with small business owners in his district, Mr. Baird was stunned at the complexity of the rules they now must follow.

Democrats, he says, will also have to recognize why they lost touch with voters. "Back in September, we had pollsters and strategists from my party tell members that the mass of people didn't care about the deficit. The mind-boggling lack of reality coming from some of the people who give us so-called advice is stunning."

"A lot of rethinking is needed" after Democrats take their drubbing, Mr. Baird says, especially since he anticipates "a huge number of retirements" from Democrats unwilling to serve in the minority.

Originally Posted by segovius

True, I've never grasped that...I find it difficult.

In Europe it tends to be that a left-wing party would not have supporters from the whole spectrum; you'd get centre-left and far-left for example and the same equivalent for the right. More or less.

Seems odd....can't imaging being Left and even remotely supporting anything Right - or vice versa.

Maybe I'm an extremist....

Originally Posted by SDW2001

Just a different culture here, that's all. Different history, different traditions.