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The American Left Slides Into Psychosis

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Here's your straight jacket.

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The left's psychosis, like those of many individuals, involves violence. Simply put, no left-wing regime has ever attained complete power without causing the deaths of its own citizens on a mass scale. We need simply give a short roll call of the bloody names: the USSR, Red China, "Democratic Kampuchea," Cuba, Vietnam... these speak well enough for themselves......

.....But success eludes them, and after November the left will lose its collective mind. The acting out will intensify, the assaults grow more vicious as the dream continues its collapse. Anyone who has ever stood against them -- the Tea Parties, the GOP, ordinary Americans asserting their rights -- will be targeted. It would be wise to consider methods of self-defense......

.......This is infantilism, pure and simple, as all psychoses are, including the one diagnosed by Jung. A compulsive belief that the world needs to bow to the demands of the eternal child immediately and without protest. And when it doesn't -- and we can be sure it won't -- that it be punished to the limits of the imagination and beyond. This is the impulse behind leftism, stacked to the roof as it is with people who never grew out of deepest childhood, who have grown twisted and embittered in the conviction that world has let them down and must pay for it. .......

....But it will come to nothing. No socialist paradise, no universal nanny government, and certainly no police state. It will come to nothing thanks to one simple fact: the American left has no spine.

The mid-term elections are coming soon and with that, the likely end of control of the House of Representatives by the Democrats. While this is far from a complete victory for Republicans, it will represent the beginning of the end for Democrats being able to act in civil and decent fashion. Their utopia will be unrealized not because it was stopped, but because it wasn't and completely and totally failed and thus was rejected.

The key point to remember is this, if you thought they were vile, bitter, nasty, ridiculously hypocritical, self-centered and absorbed, and finally a bit prone to authoritarian and violent solutions before then get ready because you'll now see that was just the tip of the iceberg.

The rhetoric will now turn to how the American people, or any lay people are simply too stupid to manage themselves or know what their own best interests happen to be. The rhetoric will make "What's the Matter with Kansas?" look like a field day. See in this instance there is no terrorists dropping buildings or the grinning George Bush to blame for the 'supposed' lies Americans will have bought. The left will have had full control of the Congress and Presidency for two years and Congress for four years total with a compliant and preening media in tow. The only reason for failure will have been Democrats themselves and unable to understand or acknowledge that fact, they will bitterly and perhaps even more violently attempt to alter this fact.

So prepare yourself. Those Americans who didn't want to turn in their clunker and decided to raise a few chickens and enjoy their gardens, they were merely radical, extremist survivalists before the election. What will they be after the election? Who knows but simply start to prepare yourself now for the onslaught of insanity that is sure to occur.

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And meanwhile, whilst the Right are being calmed down.....

Patient: "The left are mad, the left are mad I tell you......mwahahah"

Doctor: "yes, yes, we are dealing with the left..they are very mad...now just come with me to the Government Head Office...your insights are so spot-on we are going to give you a top position...yes, that's right...in this small room here..."


Meanwhile though the escalating Right Wing rampage of sickening violence continues:

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At least a couple of dozen houses, cars and local small businesses in Dudley town centre were yesterday attacked by demonstrators from the anti-Islamic English Defence League (EDL). Around two hundred EDL broke their way out of police cordons to carry out a frenzied attack on whatever was at hand

Rampage in Dudley

Chilling Violence in Stoke

Blood-curdling violence in Birmingham

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Leicestershire police mounted its biggest operation in 25 years to try to keep the peace between the two violently opposed groups, and made 17 arrests during the day. More than 2,000 officers from 13 different forces were involved in policing approximately 1,000 EDL supporters and 700 people from the UAF.

At the EDL's static demonstration in Leicester's Humberstone Gate East, police wearing riot gear worked with dog handlers to control the crowd, which threw bricks and coins.

Police Attacked by Neanderthal Right-wing thugs

But in chilling new developments it seems that these Right-wing Fascist Scum have joined forces with the Tea Party

Birds of a feather I guess.....

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The English Defence League, a far-right grouping aimed at combating the "Islamification" of British cities, has developed strong links with the American Tea Party movement.

An Observer investigation has established that the EDL has made contact with anti-jihad groups within the Tea Party organisation and has invited a senior US rabbi and Tea Party activist to London this month. Rabbi Nachum Shifren, a regular speaker at Tea Party conventions, will speak about Sharia law and also discuss funding issues.

The league has also developed links with Pamela Geller, who was influential in the protests against plans to build an Islamic cultural centre near Ground Zero. Geller, darling of the Tea Party's growing anti-Islamic wing, is advocating an alliance with the EDL. The executive director of the Stop Islamisation of America organisation, she recently met EDL leaders in New York and has defended the group's actions, despite a recent violent march in Bradford.

It seems that Geller is a big fan - she says on her blog:

"I share the EDL's goals "



If I was American I would be scared now...I know US Muslims have been petrified for some time but you're about to witness some good old English-stylee aggro....

Don't be black, mixed race, gay, Muslim or Left wing...that's my advice.
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I guess you didn't see the "AMERICAN" in the title there Seg. But along the same vain, we know that pretty much every protest in Europe goes this way regardless of political orientation. We all understand that European thuggery is historically well documented and cause for concern.

However we do now have our first example of said psychosis. I don't mean Seg of course but that fabulous guy Ted Rall.

It seems he has a new book out and of course happens to hit on a few of the themes I just mentioned.


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CITY PAPER: I must say that personally I have a little trouble trusting the mob, much like the founding fathers did.

TED RALL: Well, yeah, if the United States proves anything, it’s that democracy doesn’t work. You can look at California’s referendums to prove that. I’m being droll there, but in reality the country is too undereducated to have a functioning democracy. As Tocqueville said, you need a well-educated, well-informed electorate in order to make democracy work and we don’t have that. In fact it’s considered geeky or dorky to be an intellectual, and if you are, you’re supposed to pretend that you’re not.

These folks were of course all brilliantly educated and fantastically smart when electing Democrats.

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CITY PAPER: When you call for revolution, what would you see replacing the current system? Parliamentary democracy?

RALL: I’m all the way on the far left, as far as you can get, so I would like to see a completely leftist proletariat dictatorship, but what I want is neither here nor there.

Seg would probably just say this guy was a rightist idiot.

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I guess you didn't see the "AMERICAN" in the title there Seg. But along the same vain, we know that pretty much every protest in Europe goes this way regardless of political orientation. We all understand that European thuggery is historically well documented and cause for concern.

Yes I did see it - and on this site it's a given anyway no? Everyone knows the US is the entire world.

But my point was that those neanderthals have now linked up with the Tea Party in a sort of merger so it will be American violence pretty soon. More American violence I mean.

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However we do now have our first example of said psychosis. I don't mean Seg of course but that fabulous guy Ted Rall.

Is he the cartoonist? I know he's an atheist but he's great...don't see any problem with his politics????

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These folks were of course all brilliantly educated and fantastically smart when electing Democrats.

If it's the Ted Rall I am thinking of he has denounced Obama.

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Seg would probably just say this guy was a rightist idiot.

No...I would say he has some great ideas.

I don't particularly trust the proletariat and God knows I am far from working-class and don't have too much time for them (they are actually the people most likely to be right-wing and vote for oppression) so the last thing I want is a working-class dictatorship...would be a Chav hell.

SOME sort of Revolution is obviously required though and I don't have a problem with dictatorship as such. Democracy has one failing imo: it allows morons (ie the vast majority of people who seem to be right-wing tossers) to elect fascists such as Hitler and this Gert Wilders loon.

Don't see how that benefits anyone...bit of the old iron fist would not go amiss imo...
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It's interesting that Obama simultaneously lost the middle and the left. He misread his election victory as a mandate when he should have realized that most of his vote from the middle was a "not Bush" vote. But now everyone else is also not Bush. How ironic that although the Republicans are unpopular they are not as unpopular as the Democrats now.
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The American Left Slides Into Psychosis
....But success eludes them, and after November the left will lose its collective mind. The acting out will intensify, the assaults grow more vicious as the dream continues its collapse. Anyone who has ever stood against them -- the Tea Parties, the GOP, ordinary Americans asserting their rights -- will be targeted. It would be wise to consider methods of self-defense......

It seems that the extreme Right has been sliding into Psychosis along with the Left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr-0088ZLno



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Jake Sherman, Marin Cogan Wed Mar 24, 5:51 am ET

Reps. Louise Slaughter and Bart Stupak have received death threats.
A tea party participant published what he thought was Rep. Thomas Perriellos home address and urged disgruntled voters to drop by for a good face-to-face chat.
Vandals broke windows at Slaughters office in New York and Rep. Gabrielle Giffordss office in Arizona.
And angry voters are planning to protest this weekend at the home of Steve Driehaus whos already seen a photograph of his children used in a newspaper ad published by reform opponents.
The vitriolic health care debate has become personal too personal, say House Democrats who voted for the bill and now find not just themselves but their families in the cross hairs of opponents.
Slaughter, a Democrat who chairs the House Rules Committee, said a caller to her office last week vowed to send snipers to kill the children of the members who voted yes. Her office reported the call to police, who were dispatched to provide protection for Slaughters grandchildren. She has also been in touch with the FBI and U.S. Postal Service inspectors, who intercepted a letter en route to her home in upstate New York.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/201...politico/34907

Sarah Palin 'Refudiates' Ground Zero Mosque
Palin Calls on New Yorkers to 'Refudiate' Mosque Near 9/11 Site
By JOEL SIEGEL
July 19, 2010

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Sarah Palin plunged into the raging debate over a proposed Islamic community center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan, saying in series of posts on Twitter that the project should not be built.

"Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand. Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in the interest of healing," the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate tweeted on Sunday.

In another message, she wrote, "Peaceful New Yorkers, pls refute the Ground Zero mosque plan if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real."

Palin's tweets themselves became the subject of headlines as she stumbled through an initial tweet, urging New Yorkers to "refudiate" the mosque.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sarah-palin...ry?id=11194148

Church plans Quran-burning event
By Lauren Russell, CNN
July 31, 2010 12:50 a.m. EDT

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(CNN) -- In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
"We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it's causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times," Pastor Terry Jones told CNN's Rick Sanchez earlier this week.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/flo...RSS%3A+U.S.%29





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Westboro Baptist Church
About WBC
The Topeka, Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is a small virulently homophobic, anti-Semitic hate group that regularly stages protests around the country, often several times a week. The group pickets institutions and individuals they think support homosexuality or otherwise subvert what they believe is Gods law.

Incorporated in 1967 as a not-for-profit organization, WBC considers itself an Old School (or Primitive) Baptist Church. WBCs leader is Fred Phelps and several of his children and dozens of his grandchildren appear to constitute the majority of the groups members. WBC has no official affiliation with mainstream Baptist organizations.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/WBC/...ked=3&item=WBC
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To be fair it's not exactly 'sliding into' psychosis - those are pretty standard Right-wing beliefs.

Granted Westboro Baptist take them to 11 and have the courage to actually say what a lot of their co-politicists believe but the stuff about guns and God hating gays... are all quite common Conservative positions.
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It seems that the extreme Right has been sliding into Psychosis along with the Left.

Interesting point but I don't think anyone has declared there aren't outliers to any belief system. Rather we are talking about what will happen to the broad middle of that belief system. There will always be Westboro Churches or something similar for all beliefs. I'm talking about movements much larger than that.

The linked article gave a number of examples. If we see Westboro burning down all the ballot machines in a county or they manage to get mainstream media members to participate in a program and create a video short portraying the church members having a room full of people raise their hands by orientation and then pressing the red button to blow up the homosexuals, then you might have a point. (It would be interesting to see who would defend such a video as funny.)

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To be fair it's not exactly 'sliding into' psychosis - those are pretty standard Right-wing beliefs.

Granted Westboro Baptist take them to 11 and have the courage to actually say what a lot of their co-politicists believe but the stuff about guns and God hating gays... are all quite common Conservative positions.

I think the 10:10 movement had to courage to say that they really do believe genocide is the answer to global climate change. The left will get a whole lot more brave about their positions after November.

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I think the 10:10 movement had to courage to say that they really do believe genocide is the answer to global climate change. The left will get a whole lot more brave about their positions after November.

We'll start hearing a lot more about eugenics, as well. Get ready, we're going to be in for quite a ride.

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Eugenics: a Right-wing core belief.

That you think we'll hear more about it is chilling.....though I do think you're correct.

The Right do seem to be gearing up for some sort of pogrom. The only saving grace may be that at the moment they are a ship of fools with no charismatic leader to organize violence or murder on a grander scale.

Still....is worrying....
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So eugenics has nothing to do whatsoever with a perverted belief in Darwinism?

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So eugenics has nothing to do whatsoever with a perverted belief in Darwinism?

Not really - as usual a superficial and erroneous assessment. Perverted is about right.

No, all Eugenics is of necessity just another of the blessings Right0wing 'thought' has brought to 'civilization'.
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Not really - as usual a superficial and erroneous assessment. Perverted is about right.

No, all Eugenics is of necessity just another of the blessings Right0wing 'thought' has brought to 'civilization'.

You failed to explain why my assessment is erroneous.

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You failed to explain why my assessment is erroneous.

Simply because Eugenics had its origin in racial theories promoted by racists (ie Right-wingers).

Galton was basically a Nazi avant le lettre and he was, you are right, enthralled by Darwin's theories but then so were most people at that time and Galton was related to him.

It doesn't take much to see how Darwinism might be attractive to a racist in a perverted sense as you say but that does not mean it was based on it.

One need only look at the targets: blacks, Jews, Gays, prostitutes etc.... to see the real driving force.
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Simply because Eugenics had its origin in racial theories promoted by racists (ie Right-wingers).

Galton was basically a Nazi avant le lettre and he was, you are right, enthralled by Darwin's theories but then so were most people at that time and Galton was related to him.

It doesn't take much to see how Darwinism might be attractive to a racist in a perverted sense as you say but that does not mean it was based on it.

One need only look at the targets: blacks, Jews, Gays, prostitutes etc.... to see the real driving force.

Then why did Hitler target the deformed, mentally ill, political enemies (people who thought differently), etc.?

He actually started with those people before he expanded his genocide to the Jews.

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Then why did Hitler target the deformed, mentally ill, political enemies (people who thought differently), etc.?

He actually started with those people before he expanded his genocide to the Jews.

Exactly - the enemies were Left-wing.

The Left-wing wanted - and traditionally want - compassion for the handicapped (I believe that term is 'bleeding heart liberal' though I'm not sure what the German translation is).

Racism plays into an idea of perfection - essentially a Christian idea (ie Adam and Eve were 'perfect' before the fall for example and they were held to be white....blacks and everyone else 'imperfect' were the result of the 'sin') with 'White' being the perfect standard.

Anyone deviating from that 'perfection' would be eliminated. This is what Eugenics aimed at and waht the Nazis aimed at.

Left-wing thought and Socialism on the other had tends towards inclusion and acceptance of differences: multiculturalism (which Wingers hate) and religious diversity for example (ditto).
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Modern "progressivism" and left-wing ideology is advanced through the exploitation and politicization of those differences, seg.

Take them away and what else is there for the lefties to campaign on?

But here are a few things to think about:

Which end of the political spectrum is advocating population control?

Which end of the political spectrum is advocating tax funded abortion clinics - which are patronized mostly by minorities?

Which end of the political spectrum is advocating keeping Africa literally in the dark ages for the bogus reason that allowing them to develop and use their own natural resources would "kill the planet"?

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Modern "progressivism" and left-wing ideology is advanced through the exploitation and politicization of those differences, seg.

Are you fucking kidding me? Prop 8? What?

 

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Right on queue, BR. Thanks for helping to illustrate my point.

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If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't left wingers who tried to pass a law to exploit and politicize the difference between straight and gay people.

 

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The most chilling thing about this thread is the Right's commonplace acceptance of extreme violence.

I don't know if it's an American thing - body counts on TV in the high thousands hourly (but no nipples allowed) and the 'warm gun' obsession etc - but it seems that no act of violence is surprising, shocking or worthy of condemnation....unless it is a fictitious one assigned to the Left or an actual one perpetrated by Islamists.

And these are condemned only as a means of demonizing Lefties of Muslims - it seems violence per se (that means 'in the abstract' or as an ideal) is fine.

I don't think I've ever seen actual VIOLENCE in isolation (ie apart from as a means to bash a group) condemned by the Right on here. I really can't think of an example.

Plenty of Leftie and Muslim bashing and if they happen to commit the odd aggressive act that serves well to show they are Untermenschen - but the violence itself as a thing in itself...nope....not a word....one might almost think they love it...

I certainly think a lot of winger hearts are beating faster and groins tingling at the advent of the EDL and Tea Party 'kick the Muslim heads in on the streets' vibe - maybe all the armchair generals who got off on Iraq but were too chickenshit to actually go so watched on TV instead are looking forward to their own little wars against the 'ragheads.....

This time on the streets of the US and UK.

It's a frightening prospect....
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OH MY GOD BUT WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS?

Let's say that the Republicans win one House but not the other!

Will they then, rejected by a majority of the nation, slide in to PSYCHOSIS and form PARAMILITARY ORGANISATIONS start KILLING DISSIDENTS and OPPOSITION POLITICIANS like the FASCISTS did in Argentina and Chile and NAZI GERMANY?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!

I mean the Republicans are JUST LIKE them, in the same way that the Democrats are EXACTLY LIKE the government of KAMPUCHEA!

I mean, while we are talking pants-pissing hair-raising, fear-mongering speculative BULLSHIT that has FUCK ALL TO DO WITH REALITY and only serves to make GROWN UP DEBATE IMPOSSIBLE, we must factor in ALL THE OPTIONS!!!!!!!





This thread is a lame piece of pants-pissing right wing cowardly bullcrap, by the way.
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What the hell is happening to our country today?This is a race against not GOP VS Left but hatred and deceit with both parties involved.The ads are disgusting and vicious to view. Years ago this never did happen like today. People were more humane and had respect for each other.
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To be fair it's not exactly 'sliding into' psychosis - those are pretty standard Right-wing beliefs.

Granted Westboro Baptist take them to 11 and have the courage to actually say what a lot of their co-politicists believe but the stuff about guns and God hating gays... are all quite common Conservative positions.

Right wing talk from the get go!
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Tea Party 'Racial Epithets,' Six Months Later

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It’s been more than six months since the left accused Tea Party protesters of calling members of the Congressional Black Caucus “racial epithets” while they were walking to the Capitol to cast their historic votes for health care reform.

Despite the fact no video or audio (until now) has surfaced, showing any Tea Party protester in the act of racially slurring elected officials, and despite the fact that Andrew Breitbart has offered $100,000 to anyone who could provide that proof, liberals continue to perpetuate the false accusation and the media has never retracted and/or apologized for their slanderous accusations.

Some of us have never forgotten...

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I kind of hope that the radical left and right get violent and kill each other, personally.
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I kind of hope that the radical left and right get violent and kill each other, personally.

Who are the radical left?

I mean... if Barack Obama is the reincarnation of Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao (even though he hasn't actually abolished private business and confiscated the property of the rich and dissolved both houses of governance and replaced local government with centrally-appointed soviet soviet councils, let alone, you know, introducing health care funded and administered like it is in Canada or Britain or France)... is there anyone more radical than that evil bastard?

My god!
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Who are the radical left?

I mean... if Barack Obama is the reincarnation of Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao (even though he hasn't actually abolished private business and confiscated the property of the rich and dissolved both houses of governance and replaced local government with centrally-appointed soviet soviet councils, let alone, you know, introducing health care funded and administered like it is in Canada or Britain or France)... is there anyone more radical than that evil bastard?

My god!

Greenpeace is the radical left. I want an all out fight to the death between Greenpeace and the people on the right who kill abortion doctors and protest gay military funerals.

No holds bard, fight to the death, $49.99 on pay per view.
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Greenpeace is the radical left. I want an all out fight to the death between Greenpeace and the people on the right who kill abortion doctors and protest gay military funerals.

No holds bard, fight to the death, $49.99 on pay per view.

If Greenpeace is the radical left then what the fuck am I??????

I eat those hippies for breakfast and I know people who would actually....well...never mind...

By the way...a bard is a Welsh Druid - they can cut up pretty rough though.
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By the way...a bard is a Welsh Druid - they can cut up pretty rough though.



My dear god, this whole thread's fucking preposterous. I'm going to use the word 'fuck' again, it's so stupid.

Fuck.

Democrats have lost as many elections as Republicans. And now, this time, all of a sudden, this political party to the right of every single social democratic party in Europe are going to turn into... eugenicist Stalinists.

COME BACK TO REALITY AND WIN YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH FACTS INSTEAD OF GETTING SO SCARED OF YOUR OWN NONSENSE THAT YOU WET THE BED.
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Yes I did see it - and on this site it's a given anyway no? Everyone knows the US is the entire world.

But my point was that those neanderthals have now linked up with the Tea Party in a sort of merger so it will be American violence pretty soon. More American violence I mean.

Just stop. Comparing the Tea Party movement with the violent extremism you point out is completely out-of-bounds.
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To be fair it's not exactly 'sliding into' psychosis - those are pretty standard Right-wing beliefs.

Granted Westboro Baptist take them to 11 and have the courage to actually say what a lot of their co-politicists believe but the stuff about guns and God hating gays... are all quite common Conservative positions.

They are also quite common left-wing beliefs. It's just those darn science types get slapped down and controlled often enough that the U.S. doesn't deal with their "substandards" the way China and the Soviet Union did.

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Eugenics: a Right-wing core belief.

That you think we'll hear more about it is chilling.....though I do think you're correct.

The Right do seem to be gearing up for some sort of pogrom. The only saving grace may be that at the moment they are a ship of fools with no charismatic leader to organize violence or murder on a grander scale.

Still....is worrying....

Isn't it amazing how often this motley lot of fools manages to get things done against the true believers and (supposedly) most intelligent people on the planet.

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Simply because Eugenics had its origin in racial theories promoted by racists (ie Right-wingers).

Galton was basically a Nazi avant le lettre and he was, you are right, enthralled by Darwin's theories but then so were most people at that time and Galton was related to him.

It doesn't take much to see how Darwinism might be attractive to a racist in a perverted sense as you say but that does not mean it was based on it.

One need only look at the targets: blacks, Jews, Gays, prostitutes etc.... to see the real driving force.

Eugenics was in place well before Nazi Germany and helped contribute to the socialist regime in that country just as it did the Communist regime in Russia. Scientific Socialism replaced classic liberalism as personified in the United States by folks like Thomas Jefferson, with a system of beliefs related to how inferior and superior certain humans happen to be. The reason for a belief in centralized government is entirely based on the belief that the intellectual elites will be able to help those without the same intellectual capacity properly run their life. Centralizing of authority is related to the belief that the authority has a superior intellect and the masses, an inferior intellect. It is pure eugenics.

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Exactly - the enemies were Left-wing.

The Left-wing wanted - and traditionally want - compassion for the handicapped (I believe that term is 'bleeding heart liberal' though I'm not sure what the German translation is).

Racism plays into an idea of perfection - essentially a Christian idea (ie Adam and Eve were 'perfect' before the fall for example and they were held to be white....blacks and everyone else 'imperfect' were the result of the 'sin') with 'White' being the perfect standard.

Anyone deviating from that 'perfection' would be eliminated. This is what Eugenics aimed at and waht the Nazis aimed at.

Left-wing thought and Socialism on the other had tends towards inclusion and acceptance of differences: multiculturalism (which Wingers hate) and religious diversity for example (ditto).

You are welcome to show that the Soviet Union did not engage in these actions. They did so completely as well. Perhaps they didn't try to wipe out one entire ethnic group, but they certainly had no problem using eugenic principles to organize their entire society and likewise had no problem dealing with "inferiors." Eugenic beliefs are associated with science and that is why regimes that have abolished religion, Nazism and Communism have gone the furthest with their eugenic beliefs and programs.

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Are you fucking kidding me? Prop 8? What?

Prop 8 passed in a state that is true blue and that easily elected President Obama. Upholding of traditional marriage has been voted on and passed in a number of states regardless of political bent. President Obama and the Democratic majority did not overturn DODT, did not attempt to legalize gay marriage and in fact are still parties to lawsuits fighting against gay marriage. President Obama's position on gay marriage is unchanged. As was noted by others, the Republican Governor didn't defend prop 8, a Republican appointed judge overturned prop 8, and half the attorneys arguing against prop 8 were Republican.

It isn't so cartoonish as your thinking makes it.

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If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't left wingers who tried to pass a law to exploit and politicize the difference between straight and gay people.

No what left wingers do is take the money, give lip service, pass on laws, and then throw out some lame attempt to address it and the dream act as amendments in a bill that they know won't pass with them in it. Then they can craft those wonderful boogiemen that people with limited thinking will hand over campaign donations to defeat. They've played you like a fiddle.

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What the hell is happening to our country today?This is a race against not GOP VS Left but hatred and deceit with both parties involved.The ads are disgusting and vicious to view. Years ago this never did happen like today. People were more humane and had respect for each other.

Nostalgia sucks. This absolutely happened in the past. Look at what campaign literature used to allege about candidates. Today is always tame in comparison.

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If Greenpeace is the radical left then what the fuck am I??????

I eat those hippies for breakfast and I know people who would actually....well...never mind...

By the way...a bard is a Welsh Druid - they can cut up pretty rough though.

I keep asking myself what you are as well.

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My dear god, this whole thread's fucking preposterous. I'm going to use the word 'fuck' again, it's so stupid.

Fuck.

Democrats have lost as many elections as Republicans. And now, this time, all of a sudden, this political party to the right of every single social democratic party in Europe are going to turn into... eugenicist Stalinists.

COME BACK TO REALITY AND WIN YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH FACTS INSTEAD OF GETTING SO SCARED OF YOUR OWN NONSENSE THAT YOU WET THE BED.

The fuck defense is quite an interesting thought experiment.

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Just stop. Comparing the Tea Party movement with the violent extremism you point out is completely out-of-bounds.

Why?

Didn''t you read the link? Or do you just not want to face it?

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The English Defence League, a far-right grouping aimed at combating the "Islamification" of British cities, has developed strong links with the American Tea Party movement.

An Observer investigation has established that the EDL has made contact with anti-jihad groups within the Tea Party organisation and has invited a senior US rabbi and Tea Party activist to London this month. Rabbi Nachum Shifren, a regular speaker at Tea Party conventions, will speak about Sharia law and also discuss funding issues.

The league has also developed links with Pamela Geller, who was influential in the protests against plans to build an Islamic cultural centre near Ground Zero. Geller, darling of the Tea Party's growing anti-Islamic wing, is advocating an alliance with the EDL. The executive director of the Stop Islamisation of America organisation, she recently met EDL leaders in New York and has defended the group's actions, despite a recent violent march in Bradford.

It seems that Geller is a big fan - she says on her blog:

"I share the EDL's goals "

What's difficult to understand?

The EDL committed the violence...you admit that.

THe EDL has made links with the Tea Party.

Geller says she "Shares the EDL's goals"

These are facts.

Are you supporting the violence now SDW? Or just denying it?
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Prop 8 passed in a state that is true blue and that easily elected President Obama. Upholding of traditional marriage has been voted on and passed in a number of states regardless of political bent. President Obama and the Democratic majority did not overturn DODT, did not attempt to legalize gay marriage and in fact are still parties to lawsuits fighting against gay marriage. President Obama's position on gay marriage is unchanged. As was noted by others, the Republican Governor didn't defend prop 8, a Republican appointed judge overturned prop 8, and half the attorneys arguing against prop 8 were Republican.
It isn't so cartoonish as your thinking makes it.

You didn't mention that California's State Attorney General, Jerry Brown is a Democrate who is running for the state's Governor refused to file an opposition to stay Appeal in Perry v. Schwarzenegger (http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/08...stay-decision/)
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Last week the 3rd District Court of Appeal rejected a lawsuit filed by the Pacific Justice Institute trying to force Attorney General Jerry Brown (who is running for governor in the 2010 elections) and the Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to file an appeal in the federal challenge to Proposition 8. According to an email from the right wing Capitol Resources Institute, the California Supreme Court wants to know why the state isnt appealing, too. Heres the emai:
Late yesterday the California Supreme Court responded to a request by the Pacific Justice Institute to compel the Attorney General and the Governor to file the appeal in the federal challenge to Proposition 8.

In August, a federal court in San Francisco overturned the voter approved measure that stated that marriage is between one man and one woman. While the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has agreed to hear the appeal of the lower courts decision, they have made clear that there is a question whether the parties before them have standing to pursue the appeal. The Attorney General as well as the Governor have failed to file the appeal in this matter based on their personal opposition to Proposition 8. The proponents of the ballot measure took on the States job of defending the measure in court.

The California Supreme Court has ordered the Attorney General and the Governor to respond by 9 am this morning explaining why they have not filed this appeal. Then the Pacific Justice Institute has just three hours to respond by noon today.

Several sources are checking this out and I will update this as the information comes in. Theoretically, the California Supreme Court can order Attorney General Jerry Brown and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to appeal Judge Walkers ruling.

http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/09...o-pjis-appeal/

Also it took a Republican based organization, the Log Cabin Republican's (http://online.logcabin.org/about/mission.html) to file suit that made the DADT policy ruled as unconstitutional.----Something that Obama promised to do in his 2008 campaign---shouldn't take 2 years.
http://online.logcabin.org/dadt-9-9-2010-decision.pdf

and @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101012/...ys_in_military
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You didn't mention that California's State Attorney General, Jerry Brown is a Democrate who is running for the state's Governor refused to file an opposition to stay Appeal in Perry v. Schwarzenegger (http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/08...stay-decision/)
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Also it took a Republican based organization, the Log Cabin Republican's (http://online.logcabin.org/about/mission.html) to file suit that made the DADT policy ruled as unconstitutional.----Something that Obama promised to do in his 2008 campaign---shouldn't take 2 years.
http://online.logcabin.org/dadt-9-9-2010-decision.pdf

and @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101012/...ys_in_military

I didn't mention it because no one claimed it was impossible for Jerry Brown to undertake such actions or that Jerry Brown being a Democrat automatically made him a homophobe. Those points were made about Republicans and thus that is why those examples were cited to refute that point.

Thanks for the info though.

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Rich Iott, on the other hand, is the Republican nominee for Congress in Ohio's 9th District, and he's running with the support of the Tea Party. This man's bizarre hobby consists of donning a German Waffen SS uniform and participating in Nazi re-enactments. He even has a German alter ego, "Reinhard Pferdmann."

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