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segovius 
To be fair it's not exactly 'sliding into' psychosis - those are pretty standard Right-wing beliefs.
Granted Westboro Baptist take them to 11 and have the courage to actually say what a lot of their co-politicists believe but the stuff about guns and God hating gays... are all quite common Conservative positions.
They are also quite common left-wing beliefs. It's just those darn science types get slapped down and controlled often enough that the U.S. doesn't deal with their "substandards" the way China and the Soviet Union did.
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segovius 
Eugenics: a Right-wing core belief.
That you think we'll hear more about it is chilling.....though I do think you're correct.
The Right do seem to be gearing up for some sort of pogrom. The only saving grace may be that at the moment they are a ship of fools with no charismatic leader to organize violence or murder on a grander scale.
Still....is worrying....
Isn't it amazing how often this motley lot of fools manages to get things done against the true believers and (supposedly) most intelligent people on the planet.
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segovius 
Simply because Eugenics had its origin in racial theories promoted by racists (ie Right-wingers).
Galton was basically a Nazi
avant le lettre and he was, you are right, enthralled by Darwin's theories but then so were most people at that time and Galton was related to him.
It doesn't take much to see how Darwinism might be attractive to a racist in a perverted sense as you say but that does not mean it was based on it.
One need only look at the targets: blacks, Jews, Gays, prostitutes etc.... to see the real driving force.
Eugenics was in place well before Nazi Germany and helped contribute to the socialist regime in that country just as it did the Communist regime in Russia. Scientific Socialism replaced classic liberalism as personified in the United States by folks like Thomas Jefferson, with a system of beliefs related to how inferior and superior certain humans happen to be. The reason for a belief in centralized government is entirely based on the belief that the intellectual elites will be able to help those without the same intellectual capacity properly run their life. Centralizing of authority is related to the belief that the authority has a superior intellect and the masses, an inferior intellect. It is pure eugenics.
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segovius 
Exactly - the enemies were Left-wing.
The Left-wing wanted - and traditionally want - compassion for the handicapped (I believe that term is 'bleeding heart liberal' though I'm not sure what the German translation is).
Racism plays into an idea of perfection - essentially a Christian idea (ie Adam and Eve were 'perfect' before the fall for example and they were held to be white....blacks and everyone else 'imperfect' were the result of the 'sin') with 'White' being the perfect standard.
Anyone deviating from that 'perfection' would be eliminated. This is what Eugenics aimed at and waht the Nazis aimed at.
Left-wing thought and Socialism on the other had tends towards inclusion and acceptance of differences: multiculturalism (which Wingers hate) and religious diversity for example (ditto).
You are welcome to show that the Soviet Union did not engage in these actions. They did so completely as well. Perhaps they didn't try to wipe out one entire ethnic group, but they certainly had no problem using eugenic principles to organize their entire society and likewise had no problem dealing with "inferiors." Eugenic beliefs are associated with science and that is why regimes that have abolished religion, Nazism and Communism have gone the furthest with their eugenic beliefs and programs.
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BR 
Are you fucking kidding me? Prop 8? What?
Prop 8 passed in a state that is true blue and that easily elected President Obama. Upholding of traditional marriage has been voted on and passed in a number of states regardless of political bent. President Obama and the Democratic majority did not overturn DODT, did not attempt to legalize gay marriage and in fact are still parties to lawsuits fighting against gay marriage. President Obama's position on gay marriage is unchanged. As was noted by others, the Republican Governor didn't defend prop 8, a Republican appointed judge overturned prop 8, and half the attorneys arguing against prop 8 were Republican.
It isn't so cartoonish as your thinking makes it.
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BR 
If I'm not mistaken, it wasn't left wingers who tried to pass a law to exploit and politicize the difference between straight and gay people.
No what left wingers do is take the money, give lip service, pass on laws, and then throw out some lame attempt to address it and the dream act as amendments in a bill that they know won't pass with them in it. Then they can craft those wonderful boogiemen that people with limited thinking will hand over campaign donations to defeat. They've played you like a fiddle.
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gerald apple 
What the hell is happening to our country today?This is a race against not GOP VS Left but hatred and deceit with both parties involved.The ads are disgusting and vicious to view. Years ago this never did happen like today. People were more humane and had respect for each other.

Nostalgia sucks. This absolutely happened in the past. Look at what campaign literature used to allege about candidates. Today is always tame in comparison.
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segovius 
If Greenpeace is the radical left then what the fuck am I??????
I eat those hippies for breakfast and I know people who would actually....well...never mind...
By the way...a bard is a
Welsh Druid - they can cut up pretty rough though.
I keep asking myself what you are as well.

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Mumbo Jumbo 

My dear god, this whole thread's fucking preposterous. I'm going to use the word 'fuck' again, it's so stupid.
Fuck.
Democrats have lost as many elections as Republicans. And now, this time, all of a sudden, this political party to the right of every single social democratic party in Europe are going to turn into... eugenicist Stalinists.
COME BACK TO REALITY AND WIN YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH FACTS INSTEAD OF GETTING SO SCARED OF YOUR OWN NONSENSE THAT YOU WET THE BED.
The fuck defense is quite an interesting thought experiment.