The American Left Slides Into Psychosis - Page 7

Originally Posted by trumptman

If we cannot agree on a definition, then what good would the proof be?

My definition is cited as coming from Unified Medical Language System (Psychological Index Terms) National Library of Medicine. Can you agree to it or not?

Originally Posted by trumptman

Good now, step two, do you consider practices to be human action and policies? Also do you consider it elitism when you have an entity claim to represent the interests of a human party even when those parties do not desire to have their representation?

Update: The Republicans are now apparently trying to distance themselves from this perennial Republican candidate. But theyre sticking with Paladino.

Via Digby, The Albany Project has the skinny on this troglodyte, who just happens to be the Republican candidate for congress in New Yorks 18th district

A New York Republican hoping to displace the long-serving Democratic Rep. Nita Lowey will face an increasingly steep climb to electoral victory thanks to a revelation by Politico's Maggie Haberman, who dug up some of his published works and noted a number of distinctly racist elements in a 2001 piece published by the right-wing Occidental Quarterly.
Jim Russell, who enjoys the support of his state's Republican Party and conservative establishment, has maintained a strongly anti-immigrant stance in his campaign against Lowey, who defeated him in 2008.

The same could be said of his 2001 essay for Occidental [PDF link], titled "The Western Contribution to World History," which advises parents to establish "appropriate ethnic boundaries" for their children, and criticizes the film "Save the Last Dance" for depicting an interracial relationship.
He also opined against the racial integration of public schools and praised two individuals for their antisemitic ideas on how to limit the spread of Jews.

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Originally Posted by trumptman

ft, have fun ducking the issue while thinking in pretty pictures.

Originally Posted by trumptman

did you answer though? Is racism and eugenics the same thing? I'm asking for you to define this so i can show the same link.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Did your answer meet my definition?

Originally Posted by jazzguru

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I now state my opinion:

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Eugenics is broadly defined as promoting the use of practices that you [tm not FT] believe will improve the genetic composition of a population.

Are we in agreement on this point?

Originally Posted by trumptman

You provided an example of racism and declared it to be proof of eugenics. I asked you if they are the same and to show the link using my definition.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Is this the sort of thing that makes it eugenics?

Every now and then, a candidate comes along who reminds us just what is really at stake in the struggle between the Republicans and the Democrats. One such candidate has been nominated in Tennessees 8th Congressional District this year.

The Republican candidates name is James Hart, and he is running on a platform of eugenics (selective breeding of humans) based on Americans racial identities. The image below is taken straight from Harts web site (I added the voter alert to make it clear that the graphic is not our own idea.

Republican John LaBruzzo and Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger Agree; Heaven Help Us

Just when you thought you heard it all, Metairie, Louisiana, Republican John LaBruzzo believes to have found the economic equivalent to the Rosetta stone: employ eugenics to reduce the number of the poor.

The New Orleans City Business reports that Mr. LaBruzzo is thinking of legislation that would pay poor women $1,000 if they would agree to have their tubes tied so that they would not bring any more children into the world -- children who then would have to rely on welfare for their survival.

Even more amazing is the fact that Mr. LaBruzzo is also chastising churches who fail to condemn the lifestyle of the poor who are - poverty notwithstanding - reproducing. He then bitterly complains that the church is chastising those who are attempting to solve the problem.

Duch, the first of five Pol Pot cadres to face trial for the 1975-79 reign of terror in which 1.7 million Cambodians died, said the Khmer Rouge would have faded if the U.S. had not got involved in Cambodia.


Depopulation, also known as eugenics was proposed under the Nazis during World War II. It is the deliberate killing off and demoralizing large segments of living populations and was proposed for Third World countries under President Carter's administration by the National Security Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy. We now know through scientifically reverse-engineering the eugenics movement, that active eugenics programs have now been "normalized" throughout the U.S. What is more chilling for Americans is the nature of population control as it is being used in Bedford County, Pennsylvania and throughout the U.S. for which the vast majority of Americans do not see due to Mind Control.

National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says:


Depopulation policy became the top priority under the NSC agenda, Club of Rome and U.S. policymakers like Gen. Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed Muskie and Kissinger. According to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of former World Bank President Robert McNamara that the "population crisis" is a greater threat to U.S. national security interests than nuclear annihilation.In 1975, Henry Kissinger established a policy-planning group in the U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs. The depopulation "GLOBAL 2000" document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared. Domestic population control requires a more crafted agenda, as this activity will not pass federal court scrutiny, that is, it is completely unconstitutional and must remain in state "courts of equity," outside of federal scrutiny.

It is no coincidence that CAPTA, drafted in 1974 for "child protection," would mutate into a domestic population control program under Republican domination. It now targets domestic "economic interests" as a national security issue.

Originally Posted by trumptman

No I just don't want the answer dismissed by the person who prefers to think only it pretty pictures. You claimed you gave an answer. I'm asking how your answer is proof of eugenics. You won't answer that. If you won't affirm it for your own answer, why would you ever affirm it for my answer?

Clearly you prefer spewing nonsense via pretty pictures.

Originally Posted by trumptman

Apparently the best course you take for not wanting to answer a question is to toss up as much crap as possible.

You ever try... you know... adding words to all your links and quotes FT? Leaving the out there with no thoughts doesn't really cause them to say much.

Of course perhaps that is your point right? No thoughts and a lot of space taken without saying much....

It was, therefore, disturbing to learn that Palin had been vetted by a secretive group with connections to the eugenics movement. In a September 1, 2008 article for The Nation, Max Blumenthal reported that the "members of the Council for National Policy are the hidden hand behind McCain's Palin pick" (no pagination). According to Blumenthal, the Council for National Policy (CNP) met at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis the week of the Democratic National Convention to acquaint themselves with Palin (no pagination). The article also stated that the Palin selection secured McCain the support of the conservative movement and that CNP participant James Dobson "may soon emerge from his bunker in Colorado Springs to endorse McCain, providing the Republican nominee with the backing of the Christian right's single most influential figure" (no pagination).

For many people on the left, it is hard to swallow the idea that the CNP has ties to the eugenics movement. After all, CNP participants such as James Dobson, Tim LaHaye, and Alan Keyes are considered to be stalwart pro-lifers. George W. Bush even put in an appearance at a secret meeting of the CNP in 2000 promising to nominate only pro-life judges (no pagination). There is a body of evidence, however, that suggests that all the pro-life rhetoric and pro-life participants may be mere window dressing to hide the sinister goal of creating a master race......

The majority of conservatives have been duped and Palin is no exception to that rule. If Palin does not want to become involved with the kind of dirty politics and radical agenda that have made most Americans jaded and cynical, she must recognize the CNP for what it really is. Under the CNP's mask lies an elite combine that is mobilizing unwitting conservatives and grassroots activists behind an elite agenda. Part of that agenda is eugenics.

The Republican congressional candidate James L Hart has acknowledged that he is an unapologetic supporter of eugenics, the fake science that resulted in thousands of people being sterilised in an attempt to purify the white race.

He believes the country will look "like one big Detroit" - which has a large African-American population - if it doesn't eliminate welfare payments and immigration. He believes that if blacks were integrated centuries ago, the automobile would never have been invented.

The expansion of the GOPs Big Tent to include ideas that social convervatives find distasteful is inevitable in todays political climate. But I never would have suspected that Republican politicians would feel comfortable enough to champion themes and techniques that are associated with eugenics.

For example, South Carolina Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer thinks that giving poor people food will cause them to breed like rabbits:


Although he says he could have chosen his words more carefully when he compared people who take public assistance to stray animals, Bauer refused to apologize for the remark. But at least Bauer only wants to keep the poor from breeding. Bill Binnie, a Republican Senate candidate in New Hampshire, is willing to take a more direct approach by euthanizing the Lebensunwerten Lebens:


Binnies admission shouldnt be all that shocking when you consider that ninety-two percent of women choose to terminate a pregnancy following prenatal diagnosis of Down Syndrome. Yet is is still disconcerting to hear Republican politicians in the twenty-first century openly embrace and promote the cultural acceptance of eugenics.

Originally Posted by FineTunes

This started out with you having to answer the question. Nice try to deflect it to me that I didn't answer the question. Seriously????

LOOK NO PICTURES THIS TIME----SO ATFQ.

"Working off your definition, tm, please provide some evidence that the Democrats are calling or had called for eugenics at anytime."

Originally Posted by jazzguru

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I now state my opinion:

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Originally Posted by FineTunes

Working off your definition, tm, please provide some evidence that the Democrats are calling or had called for eugenics at anytime.

Originally Posted by trumptman

FT, have fun ducking the issue while thinking in pretty pictures.

Originally Posted by FineTunes

this was your definition of eugenics

Originally Posted by segovius

I'm wondering Trumpy....do you actually ever feel like contributing anything?

Originally Posted by trumptman

if you've retraced it then you already saw what was said and what mj answered to it. I simply noted that before i dig into it deeper you have to agree to the criteria. You've refused to elaborate on that for a dozen posts now. I'm clear. Mj's rebuttal, which consists of a simple "no they're not." is clear as well. However mj wants to then bring up the strawman argument that the only means of endorsing eugenics is via sterilization. You link to multiple sources, none of which by the way are calling for sterilization and declare they are eugenicists. I ask you to affirm why they are eugenicists, and you refuse.

Speaking of sego, you're emulating him. His rationalizations are a bit insane and arguments incoherent because they take the same actions and apply totally different conclusions based off the "intent" of the parties. Thus a "teabagger" protesting is a walking timebomb ready to explode into violence. An actual leftist engaging in violence, documented as such, isn't actually violent. They are just "giving them what they deserve" or "they stopped being left-wing" and are "right-wingers" they second they engage in certain actions.

You label these various parties eugenicists because of their practices. You won't say what practices make them eugenicists because i assure you, i can easily find examples of those practices, those turns of phrases, etc that supposedly show their intent. I quoted some of the phrases and asked you to affirm. You've refused.

Why go through the trouble of posting it all when, just like you've already quoted from mj, you'll simply say, "no they're not." it's much easier to simply repeat yes they are again.

So pin it down, or don't complain. If you say prove it and won't say what would prove it to you, then you're simply being silly. I clearly asked. I've asked what practices being advocated would prove it to you. You've refused to answer. Name a clear eugenicist practice shown within your links and i'll gladly find an example of it. Clarify or shut up because i'm not going to be your google slave to simply have you dismiss the work.

2003, regarding senate resolution no. 20 - relative to eugenics.
Since the spring 2002, state governments in Virginia, Oregon, and South Carolina, have published statements of apology to tens of thousands of patients, mostly poor women, who were sterilized against their will in state hospitals between the 1900s and 1960s. In March 2003, Governor Davis and Attorney General Lockyer added their regrets for the injustices committed in the name of "race betterment." Now, the California Senate is considering a resolution, authored by Senator Dede Alpert (D-San Diego), which "expresses profound regret over the state's past role in the eugenics movement" and "urges every citizen of the state to become familiar with the history of the eugenics movement, in the hope that a more educated and tolerant populace will reject any similar abhorrent pseudoscientific movement should it arise in the future."

China recently announced that eugenics (controlling birth rates by determining 
if a fetus will have a costly birth defect) has reduced their reproduction 
rate to 1.6. Per acknowledged sociologists, a reproduction rate of 2.1 (2.1 
babies per one deceased person) is necessary to maintain a civilization. 
Currently, the U.S. rate is 1.8 and is projected it to be 1.6 with the oncoming 
health care "reform". 
In other words, our civilization (the United States of America) is in danger of 
falling apart if trends are not reversed. This has been true for many great 
civilizations, such as ancient Egypt, First Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, the 
Ottoman Empire, etc. Now, if a simple person like me can research and discover 
these facts, is it safe to assume that there are others who know the same and 
are purposefully leading our society in this direction? YES!! Just as a small 
example, check out the Bill Gates' rationalization of eugenics and the 
interpretation of choosing between continuing treatment of a diseased or elderly 
person, of which he is a firm believer: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MZG9vK0W8

A New York Republican hoping to displace the long-serving Democratic Rep. Nita Lowey will face an increasingly steep climb to electoral victory thanks to a revelation by Politicos Maggie Haberman, who dug up some of his published works and noted a number of distinctly racist elements in a 2001 piece published by the right-wing Occidental Quarterly.
Jim Russell, who enjoys the support of his states Republican Party and conservative establishment, has maintained a strongly anti-immigrant stance in his campaign against Lowey, who defeated him in 2008.

The same could be said of his 2001 essay for Occidental [PDF link], titled The Western Contribution to World History, which advises parents to establish appropriate ethnic boundaries for their children, and criticizes the film Save the Last Dance for depicting an interracial relationship.
He also opined against the racial integration of public schools and praised two individuals for their antisemitic ideas on how to limit the spread of Jews.

Russell even lauded some ideas behind the practice of eugenics, a radical ideology most commonly associated with Germanys Third Reich which seeks to preserve racial and ethnic purity.
In his essay, he also writes highly of the book, The Camp of the Saints, a tome held dear by many white supremacists. First published in France in the mid-70s, The Camp of the Saints depicts a mass migration from India into Europe, resulting in a radically altered political reality.

MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show - 26 April 2010: Rachel reports on the Arizona "immigration" law. The bill was introduced by Republican state senator Russell Pearce, who circulated a white separatist e-mail screed, and who also got caught on tape hugging a neo-Nazi. The guy taking credit for writing the law is Kris Kobach, a birther running for secretary of state in Kansas, and who is an attorney for the legal arm of FAIR, an "immigration reform" group whose founder, John Tanton, argued in 1986 about whites being out-populated by non-whites. The group has been funded for nine years of its existence by The Pioneer Fund, formed "in the Darwinian-Galtonian evolutionary tradition, and the eugenics movement."

REPORTER (VIDEO): "What does an illegal immigrant look like? Does it look like me?"

GOV. JAN BREWER (R-AZ) (VIDEO): "I do not know. I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like. I can tell you that I think that there are people in Arizona that assume that they know what an illegal immigrant looks like."

MADDOW: "In the meantime, 'papers, please.'

Before this bill was actually signed into law, we told you about the guy who introduced it in the first place. It's this guy, Republican state senator Russell Pearce. Mr. Pearce is famous in Arizona for having sent an email to his supporters that included a white nationalist screed - accusing the media of pushing the view of 'a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish 'Holocaust' tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood non-White aliens pouring across our borders...' Mr. Pearce sent that around to all his supporters, a move he latter apologized for. Russell Pearce is also famous for having been caught on tape hugging a neo-Nazi. You know, like a real neo-Nazi; not some sort of metaphorical, Godwin's Law-invoking neo-Nazi, but an actual neo-Nazi guy. See, with the swaztikas? Russell Pearce is the guy who introduced this radical 'immigration' bill in Arizona that just became law.

But if you want to meet the guy who's taking credit for writing the new law. That would be a gentleman named Kris Kobach. Kris Kobach is a birther. He's running for secretary of state in Kansas right now. His campaign website today brags 'Kobach Wins One in Arizona.'

The guy who helped write Arizona's new 'immigration' bill is also an attorney for the Immigration Reform Law Institute. That's the legal arm of an immigration group that's called FAIR - the 'Federation For American Immigration Reform.' FAIR was founded in 1979 by a man named John Tanton. Mr. Tanton is still listed as a member of FAIR's board of directors.

Just for some insight into where FAIR and John Tanton are coming from, seven years after he started FAIR, Mr. Tanton wrote this: '... to govern is to populate... will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? ... As whites see their power and control over their lives declinging, will they simply go quietly into the night? or will there be an explosion?'

That's FAIR, who helped write Arizona's new anti-immigrant law. After John Tanton got FAIR off the ground, for nine of the first years of the group's existence, the group reportedly received more than a million dollars in funding from something called The Pioneer Fund. The Pioneer Fund describes itself as a group formed 'in the Darwinian-Galtonian evolutionary tradition, and the eugenics movement.'

For the last seventy years, The Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people. The group's original mandate was to promote the genes of those 'deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution.'......

Most people are aware by now that the Tea Party movement has been astroturfed by an organization called FreedomWorks, chaired by former Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives and self proclaimed 'Austrian economist', Dick Armey. Whether or not people consider this to be of any importance is another story, but I'm hoping this helps open a few eyes.

Dick Armey has sat aboard the secretive Council for National Policy, an organization described by Mark Crispin Miller as a

"highly secretive... theocratic organization -- what they want is basically religious rule.

The CNP's memberships rosters reveal that the organization is essentially the hidden 'brain' behind the GOP - everyone from Oliver North, Phyllis Schlafy, Tom Delay, Trent Lott, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Reverend Sun Myung Moon have attended, with the purpose of networking conservative, religious parties to help shape public policy. Michael Chertoff, George W. Bush, and John Ashcroft have addressed the CNP; it is rumoured that Sarah Palin is a member.

Through the incredible work of the Collins brothers I have finally gotten a grasp on the entire fascist nexus of the elite in America. This latest one literally wraps it all up: from the current vetting of Palin by the CNP to the Pioneer Fund to the Nazis and the Eugenic establishment (then and now).

It has become customary since the ascendancy of Bush II for fascism to be leisurely thrown about as a description of the current state of affairs in America. Rather than a haphazard utterance, as is too often the case, I believe the work of the Collins brothers - taken as a whole - has proven it beyond a doubt. It is no accident that the Eugenics movement of the Eastern Establishment aided and abetted the final solution of Nazi Germany, and were the brains and money behind the entire apparatus of population control throughout the 20th century. And it is no accident that those same eugenic networks continue to operate today, and are intimately connected with the Council for National Policy (CNP). It is truly no accident we smell fascism in the air: the Nazis, the Harrimans, the Bushes, the Osborns, Skull and Bones, the Neocons, the CNP, the Dominionists, the Rockefellers, and the Eugenicists are all the same creature.

Prof. Martin Kramer, a right wing loon (who unlike the garden variety loon has a Harvard affiliation), advocated starving out the population of Gaza so that they could not reproducea view which flirts with genocide and is a form of eugenics.* We covered his hate-filled words earlier on our site.* I am a firm believer in Godwins Law and very rarely like using Nazi comparisons, but I think this is the rare exception in which it is more than fitting: one can well imagine Adolf Hitler contemplating blockading Jewish ghettos to starve them out and thereby prevent them from reproducing.

Much has been made of Martin Kramers suggestion that Palestinians be denied food and medicine in order to weaken their opposition to the Israeli occupation. We, along with a group of 25 other professors, scholars, and Harvard alumni, add our voices to the chorus of condemnation directed towards Dr. Kramer and express our concern that the Weatherhead Center has lent him its credibility. As academics, we question both the ethical and scholarly basis of Dr. Kramers public statements. We maintain that this is not a question of protecting Dr. Kramers free speech, as was indicated by the Weatherhead Centers response to criticism. Rather, it is about maintaining appropriate standards of ethical and intellectual conduct; Dr. Kramers repellent statements evince a clear failure to meet those standards....

In Kramers presentation, he suggested that Israels current economic blockade of Gaza, now in its fourth year, represents a successful effort to break Gazas runaway population growth. He therefore argued against what he called pro-natal subsidies of food, medicine, and humanitarian aid that help to reproduce the constant supply of superfluous young men demanded by a so-called culture of martyrdom in Gaza.

His argument has little scholarly merit. In the name of state security, it validates demographic strategies of population control that date at least back to Thomas Malthus and have been repeatedly found wanting both intellectually and morally for over two centuries. Also, by attributing to culture what is a political and social phenomenon, Kramer misrepresents the dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. A willingness to sacrifice oneself is not a desire for martyrdom rooted in Palestinian culture. Rather, as has been shown by scholars of the conflict, Palestinian youth turn to violent means to oppose the dehumanizing effects of the Israeli occupation. In short, Kramers remarks are not informed by current scholarship, but are animated by the spirit of early 20th century eugenics.....

Originally Posted by trumptman

Originally Posted by trumptman

It is amazing that you can post assertions and think you don't have to support them. No wonder you spam the forums with link and quotes, but no thoughts.