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Originally Posted by
segovius 
Seems logical and it has the benefit of making it easier to understand for those of a non-intellectually based skillset.
I think all sane rational people know Nazis are Right-wing and Socialists are left. Right-wingers tend not to.
I think all sane rational people know the earth was not created 4000 years ago. Right-wingers tend not to.
I think all sane rational people know Obama is not a Communist. Right-wingers tend not to.
There's a pattern here.
In the past, ignorance was also rampant but we had this little thing called 'self awareness'. Sometimes it also resulted in a by-product 'humility'.
What it meant in practice was that an uninformed person actually accepted they were such. Sometimes they didn't care - which was fine - and sometimes they realized they could learn more which was fine too.
Now we have something different: people who are woefully ignorant. Far more than before (though some are of course merely liar) and they have no self-awareness at all.
They think they are right. They are convinced. No scientific proof, no evidence or facts, no logic, no records...nothing...nothing will convince them they might not perhaps know everything it is possible to know and be right 100% of the time.
Of course when one thinks like this then it follows one has a DUTY to convert and inform. Why not? You're almost God.
Occasionally one of these types has a quasi - breakdown and questions whether it really is possible that he, he alone (well, he and others of his ilk) could actually know the WHOLE TRUTH.
Perhaps even, he might be overwhelmed by some evidence.
No problem. Just change the meaning of the word.
Overwhelming evidence that Fascism means Right-wing ideology? No probs!!! Just change it to mean 'Communism'.
And the Happy Bus is rolling again...
Note: The more astute reader will notice that the above describes clearly a group of people...a group of people with a name and a political position....shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....no names, no pack-drill.....
This is hilarious. There is indeed a pattern. It's called ignoring sources, links, citations and word definitions to repeat what you want to caricature ad-infinitum.
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Originally Posted by
e1618978 
trump - you do this same thing all the time, trying to associate the democratic party and/or atheists with the genocides of Stalin, etc.
No, what I do is illustrate to those on here the problem with exception as the rule reasoning. They will make very broad generalizations claiming some obscure example or historical claim. I show them the error of this reasoning by noting the leftist exception or example. Thus by their own reasoning, they should apply the same conclusions, but of course that doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by
segovius 
Trump does it with
DEMOCRATS - I do it with
RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY (what they call 'thought').
The purpose of his INTENT GAME is to show:
Obama = Communist
Communists = Murderers.
My purpose is more prosaic. Pedantic even...it has a lot to do with what we used to call 'facts' and 'definitions' back in the day.
First, you are hilarious to read today. Second, taking past actions and reinterpreting them into completely opposite conclusions using the intent game is an interesting form of insanity. Lastly this thread wasn't about past events but speculation about, and a place to post examples of Democrats sliding into insanity when instead of a generation of control and utopia as they were promised, they lose a large chunk of their power a mere two years later.
So to summarize using an analogy,
Saying that when your parents give you an easter basket it really means they hate black people and want to murder homosexuals = insanity.
Saying, look this dude is clearly driving into a wall, let's stop and watch = not insane.
The Democrats have driven the economy off the rails and watching the carnage and what they do about it will be interesting.
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MJ1970 
Well...an honest argument would say that it's a bit more complicated than that.
I think one can start to see where the confusion arises by looking at that statement and lining it up with modern liberal/progressive/leftist rhetoric and policies.
These things come straight out of a Marxist/Socialist perspective.
That they demonized and even killed those who they identified as their enemies might suggest a linkage to right...ummm...leftist thinking also presents a point of confusion.
In the end perhaps the right/left labeling is unhelpful. Additionally self-labeling is also. In my view there are other, different axis on which to try and evaluate and classify particular groups, movements, people, positions and policies. These might include collectivist vs. individualist thinking, liberty vs. anti-liberty thinking, statism vs. non-statism.
There you go making sense again. Stop doing that or all the people who read this who are not Seg will totally think he is
CLUELESS and flailing.
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Originally Posted by
segovius 
Not really.
One could look at the make-up of the camps for example. Proportion of Left-wingers/Commies to Right-Wingers is probably about 99-1. And the Right-wingers were probably gay.
He might start making up crazy and insane magical numbers.
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I disagree....When Hitler attacked Capitalist he essentially meant Jews. He was intent on dismantling Jewish financial power and this is how he initially gained public support to do it.
He might play the intent game. (Hitler called himself a socialist and attacked capitalism but here's what he really meant.)
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Confusion for some is not confusion for others

True, clearly you are very confused right now and flailing badly at attempting to persuade to your perspective.
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Why is that btw? I am a Leftist but I do not ever attempt to claim that Stalin was either a) a Good guy or b) Not a Communist.
Probably because you'd like everyone to forget all the events that totally invalidate your worldview.
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Seems odd. Is also confined to the US as far as I can tell too.. everyone in Europe knows what is what.
Everyone know Europe is a bunch of tribes who spent a thousand years killing each other over the slightest differences and only managed to stop when the U.S. imposed it's will on them. Now that the U.S. influence is diminishing there, they are going right back to their bad old habits.
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Originally Posted by
segovius 
Wikipedia may not be the tablets from Mt Sinai.
Says the man pretending to be a burning bush and dismissively ignoring the citation with a magical wave of his hand.
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Originally Posted by
segovius 
Do you have an SS uniform SDW?
Are these your "madness letters" Seg? Should we have you committed now?