The American Left Slides Into Psychosis - Page 13

It's called watching your own calorie intake. Self discipline.

The mere existence of Happy Meals does not threaten your health.

CNN: Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds

Just stop. Stop all of it. Your mock outrage is so transparent. Oh, and who the fuck are you to question my motives? All I did was tell you what I've observed since I've been here. I'm defending nothing. I'm simply noting that you are the one who is hysterical and unhinged.


It's ironic that someone who seems all too willing to dive into the meanings of various psychological terms cannot understand the basic concept of projection. I, for one, am not upset. I am not calling anyone a name. From what I can see, either is trump.


The problem is that you're focusing exclusively on the "violence" aspect. Here is the definition of psychosis:


You may not be included in the above, but there is a good case the above is happening to MANY progressives. Look at the "denial" thread and read the article I posted and reacted too. There are people who think like that...people that actually believe that progressives weren't rejected, Obama's agenda wasn't rejected, and that Pelosi actually scored a victory last week. If that's not a "loss of contact with reality," I don't know what is.


I haven't scoured the thread, but I believe several people provided links with at least circumstantial and or anecdotal evidence. Even if not true, it's not "a lie." Maybe he's wrong...who knows. I don't think it's a stretch to believe.


He WASN'T CALLING YOU psychotic. I cannot believe you fail to see the distinction.


This is where you really don't know WTF you're talking about. I'm telling you...I've seen trump here for a long time. He's always started interesting threads and discussed things in-depth. I've never ONCE seen him personally attack someone. Can you show otherwise?

Are you blind? Are you suffering from psychosis?

No, he is on your team, so it's invisible.


Is he discussing the topic here? Is he discussing facts here?

No, he is attacking me, and that is the very fucking definition of ad hominem.

Is he attempting to paint a vast swathe of the American electorate with whom he disagrees as suffering from violent psychosis?

Yes, he is. And you can see the very first post of the whole thread for proof. HE. Not me. Go and read the first post. When you understand what this thread is about, you can either participate or not, or, in an ideal world, make your objections clear to the guy who started it.

Is he making a real conversation based on facts more difficult?

Of course he is, and that's the fucking point.

And the idea that Democrats are considering or discussing eugenics is a revolting, childish lie. The thought that American politics have become so corrupted that right wing people can even argue the possibility is upsetting. I honestly thought you were better than this. I've been on these forums for as long as you and I've always disagreed with you but I've been able to argue with you.

But you're just as bad as Jazzguru and trumptman and If you defend this, facts don't matter a damn thing to you either. The political conversation in your country is FUCKED, and you, right here, right now, are playing your part to keep it fucked.

Jazzguru, will you do me a favour?

Go to the nearest window and look at the street or the field or the garden or the airport or whatever it is you see from you there.

In that country, America, no one wants to impose a programme of eugenics on the citizens.

Doesn't that feel better?

And it's true. Let it all go. No one wants to impose a programme of eugenics on American citizens. They're not even talking about it (how could they? Democrats are like you, only with stupid ideas about economics and stuff, they're not monsters.)

And when you drive to work or to the shops and you see a bumper sticker supporting the Democrats, well, that person's stupid, all right, but their political party is not even thinking about imposing eugenics on the American people.

Let it go. You don't need the fear. Spend the time worrying about something else, or enjoying a book, or a nice coffee with a pain au chocolat or watching something stupid on telly.

Let it go.

Maybe something should let him go....might not be that simple...

Sorry MJ. I really can't take you seriously in light of this:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=281

jazzguru, floorjack's been banned from here, and trumptman has a new nick over at applenova, and god knows who else.

Please. It will take ten seconds.

Just go to the window and look out, and think to yourself “Wouldn’t this country be marvellous if senior Democrats were not discussing imposing a programme of eugenics?”

And then let it go. Because they aren’t. Democrats are like you, and they love their children, and they value their families. They are not monsters.

So you don’t need the fear. You can relax. You can let it go. You can worry about fixing the drain, or paying for the service on your car. You don’t need to hate people for something they don’t want to do, for something they’re not planning to do, for something that will never happen and no one wants.

You don’t have to like Democrats. You just don’t need to hate them, or be afraid of them. Because they are not discussing eugenics.

Indeed. But I find myself viewing the posts anyway to see what zany things he's saying. It's out of morbid curiosity, lol.

You know what they call people who find ways to hide from the truth around here?

Psychotic.

Are you psychotic?

No. So go to the window and look at your country and tell yourself "Democrats arent talking about eugenics." They do not want to do this. No one does. When you get in your car. Just pause for a moment and tell yourself that.

You think this is zany.

Im so terribly, terribly sorry for you. You dont need to carry that weight. The fear isnt real. You can let it go.

Find someone else to troll, MJ.

This is an open forum.

For as long as you keep coming here with the grotesque lie that senior Democrats are discussing eugenics, I will keep coming here with the truth, which is that they are not, and I will keep trying to convince you.

Everyone can see that you have presented no evidence worth a damn thing. Everyone can see that you are wrong. Everyone can see that its a lie. Everyone can see that you have no reason to be afraid of something that will never happen.

Im perfectly content to stop here if you are.

I repeat, find someone else to troll, MJ. Actually, stop trolling altogether. Your harassment is not welcome or conducive to this or any discussion.

Check the join dates for MJ and Hassan. MJ preceded Hassan. Hassan was banned not MJ. Whether they are the same persons has yet to be determined. MJ has been a good boy here--hasn't been banned. You can still answer the question.

You should try Climategate---oh wait, you did.

You have said that senior Democrats are discussing eugenics.

And I am trying to convince you that they are not.

If you dont want to take part in this discussion, then stop. I will stop too.

Everyone can see that you have provided no evidence. Everyone can see that you are wrong. Everyone can see that you have no reason to be afraid of something that will never happen.

So Im perfectly content to stop right here if you are.

If you think Im harrassing you, then please, press the report button, and report me. Im really not sure where youll direct Lundy, but please, be my guest.

Irrelevant. It means one of the accounts he created after he created the MJ account got banned for abuse.

Those aren't my accounts. I only recognise two of those. One is very old.

And when you accuse a member of "delusional psychosis", that is an ad hominem attack, and hypocrisy.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it MJ?

Not sure why I even bother, but I'll give it another go:

It is well documented that Nancy Pelosi believes in population control as a means of stimulating the economy.


Nancy Pelosi is a senior Democrat leader.

She is advocating "family planning services" (abortion) and contraception to stimulate the economy. She is advocating eugenics.

No other Democrat leader - that I am aware of - has publicly distanced themselves from her position.

Democrats support eugenics.

Ok..I'm bored.....

Let's wrap it up...you're right

DEMOCRATS ARE NAZIS

DEMOCRATS WANT EUGENICS

DEMOCRATS ARE COMMIE SCUM WANKERS AND EVIL WE MUST OPPOSE THEM


I see it now...thanks Jazzy, Trumpy and SDW for your patience with morons like me and MJ - it took some time but I see it now...

Sorry we have been so moronic and thanks for your patience.

God Bless America.

Speaking of PMs I have a nice and interesting one on file from you Trumpy... do you remember sending it I wonder?

Congratulations.

Now the conversation's about me rather than the subject.

Don't forget, everyone. trumptman was banned from applenova.

He rejoined under the name MumboJumbo.

That says it all.

But whatever. Despite all this, Democrats are still not discussing eugenics, they are not all mentally ill, and I urge jazzguru and trumptman to come back to reality and debate like adults.

Great. Im fine with that. Thats the admission of defeat I was waiting for. Everyone understands that you are wrong, and you have been shown to be so comprehensively wrong, that you would rather rather put me on ignore than discuss any further.

Youve proved nothing. The premise of this thread, that a vast swathe of the American electorate is suffering from psychosis that involves violence has been shown to be a lie.

Further, there is no evidence that senior Democrats are discussing eugenics. That has also been shown to be a lie.

Ive urged you to argue on facts, like adults, and make an adult contribution to the political conversation rather than demonising people you disagree with, and making ad hominem attacks on me. You have found this to be impossible.

So you are running away.

Ill happily leave it there.

Bye, trumptman.

No, this is not eugenics, jazzguru. Come on. You're better than this. You don't need to do this.

Eugenics is about managing the gene pool. Words have meanings. And this has nothing to do reducing populations according to undesirable heritable traits.

Your hate and your fear are genuinely blinding you, and it's unnecessary, because your country is STILL more beautiful than you have been misled to think it.

Furthermore, "family planning" is not the same thing as "abortions." And Pelosi is not, and has never, promoted abortion. For fuck's sake.

I know you're afraid, and I know you believe this, but you don’t need to do either.

Eugenics is not coming to America. Democrats are not considering it. They are not monsters. They have kids and they love their families. Come back to reality.


Argue like an adult. Come back to reality.

So, this thread about a program designed to discourage drug addicts (at least until they are clean and sober) from having children who might be born addicted to drugs and who they may be unable to care for in their drug addicted state and not because of some nefarious hidden agenda to "cleanse the gene pool", when segovius said this:


And you followed up with this:


You were both using the word "eugenics" incorrectly because these so-called "fundies" were not engaging in a form of eugenics or attempting to cleanse the gene pool but merely trying to prevent drug addicted babies from being born to drug addicts? Perhaps you were using this word hyperbolically and provocatively?

I think I'll stick to PM to discuss this one....

Best post in the whole thread, wondered if anyone would bring these particular posts up...

If there is anything an outsider would see here it would have to be that neither side likes to "lose" or be seen as "losing". Good points are being made on either side, but they are mostly lost in over the top rhetoric.

Is there a defined and established eugenics program that can be pointed to and discussed, obviously not in the sense that MumboJumbo is defining it. Are there policies and other leanings that can be framed as leaning that way. Perhaps, perhaps not. But can it make for interesting conjecture and discussion. Certainly.

Mumbo, you state over and over that NOBODY wants eugenics. Obviously you know this is not true, or it would not even exist as a concept.



You cannot prove those statements are true, nobody wants this, anywhere? Not even the narrower assertion that nobody in the democratic party wants this. Do I believe this to be true, likely not. But when it comes to politics, I would not put it past anyone in power from any party to do anything that will keep them there. Not war, not lying, not stealing, not breaking the law, and not even eugenics, in whatever form.

if that is your assertion.

Just trying to fit in with the boys!

I thought you'd left? I should say welcome back I suppose!

Here is SDW's private message to me.


This is the standard of debate on this forum.

You demand facts, you get ad hominem atacks.

No. You get someone saying "DON'T MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS" and then making personal attacks in the same sentence.

Report me. If you have a damn fucking thing, report me.