BTW, in the interest of helping FineTunes, this post will be responded to, but will also have the various meta-mechanisms within it pointed out as well.
Originally Posted by segovius
I'm starting to get it a lot lately...the Right-wing weltanschauung
- it's kind of basic really. Not sure how I missed it this long...or maybe I am being conditioned like Winston Smith and will eventually love Big Brother?
This is a rationalization for why he gets to mistreat people and attack them.
It works like this: history is written by the winners. It's that simple. Of course Wingers have added a refinement:
They rewrite history BEFORE they win and rewrite it to say they DID win even before it happened and - courtesy of their legions of unthinking drones - so it turns out to be.
Bush was honest - and for once lucid - when he spoke for the Right:
That's what they do. Create reality.
This is a bit of absurdist caricature. At least it must be because no one could truly be so ironic as to be crafting a reality about some entire monolithic caricatured masses crafting reality. Notice also how it isn't really addressing the topics discussed in any form or fashion. It's almost a pure strawman. Yet it isn't really meant to knock someone off their game. It's more like he has to say this to himself to justify his own actions. Reinforce the caricature, then you can treat the real people saying real things badly due to this imagined preconceptions. It's quite fascinating.
Have a product that is of the worst possible quality, made in a sweat-shop yet you want top elite price?
1) Spend years upping your game, investing, sourcing highest quality staff and resources.
2) Spend minutes convincing the sheep that the product already is the best possible.
Or if you prefer:
1) Convince the sheep that black is white or right is left.
Or Ugly is Beautiful.
Or Evil is Godly.
Or Trumpy is Rational and Objective.
Notice again the absurdity here in reasoning. Amazingly enough in this scenario it is cheaper to control and manipulate factors completely out of ones control than it is to pay to manipulate the variables one can control. Again a bit of absurdism and a nice personal attack thrown in for good measure.
See, Seg wants you to believe that these heartless and cruel wealthy folks can somehow control what all the "sheep" think and do and that this is cheaper and easier than actually tossing a few extra bucks at that folks doing all the work. You can apparently cheaply and easily convince them to act completely contrary to perceived reality. This magic spell of course cannot be cast by those of the left. Their policies always fail, not through any actual measure of their own effectiveness but because the right spoke up and got the masses to buy the "big lie."
Thus the most intelligent are always defeated by the evil due to the sheep. It's quite a nice narrative and in keeping with the thread theme, probably pretty easy to keep internally reinforcing.
So you believe the NYC Islamic Cultural Centre is celebrating something on a par with the Holocaust?
What is it celebrating? 911 deaths? Are they on a par with the Holocaust? Do you believe they are celebrating them?
Nice strawman. Did anyone say anything about celebrating the holocaust? Can you quote me on that please?
FT, please note the nice strawman here because it justifies the mistreatment that follows.
No problems with no Walmart.
Well you as an individual do not count. There are several individuals on here who have stated no problems or issues with what is proposed in NY. Yet the brush paints very broadly from you.
I'd hope you can't build concentration camps in NYC either.
They already have. They simply call them ethnic enclaves and assign them a Democratic Congressman who represents them for life while providing no improvement in their lives. The sheep could question why their lives haven't improved, but their Democrats owners manage to scream racism every time they start to blink awake from the sleep of their continued impoverished circumstances.
(Note: This is me giving back Seg a bit of what he does. I have to have a little fun too and considering how absurd his claims are, it keeps things light since his attempt with all the caricatures and absurdity is to rile the poster up.)
Again, you are not perhaps the best benchmark of what is compelling. On a personal level I fully accept it is not compelling to you but then such things might form a very long list and there could well be many surprising (or frightening) items on it.
This is Seg moving from the reality of what has been posted, linked and cited and instead personalizing it. The reality that Walmarts have been banned in NY City is no longer of importance because, well because I'm not a good benchmark. The discussion of how some people feel it important to determine what is in and how it influences their neighborhood isn't important when discussing Islamic cultural and community centers. It is important when discussing Walmart though.
Equivalence to what? The Waffen SS? Walmart?
Wow indeed. No one has stopped the center but they have crafted laws and kludged up the approval process to keep out Walmart. To the left, Walmart is equivalent to Hitler or terrorists and by that I mean their feelings for that issue are so strong that they override pure reason and they feel they can act purely on matters of taste and emotional appeals.
They might. Though it is not a mosque. So you'd expect them to chill out when they learn that.
Why do they need to chill out? If they are merely expressing a preference or are willing to help assist in or lobby for someone else to purchase the land to put something else there, what is wrong with that?
You might expect someone who finds a Syphilitic Silverback Gorilla on steroids living in their closet, stealing their breakfast and pawing the missus while forcing their way into the marital bed every evening to be similarly exercised.
However, when no Silverback Gorilla exists and we merely have someone obsessed with the idea that there is one while they live in on the 153rd floor of a skyscraper in a Western city of 10 million people and no zoos I think we are dealing with a rather different case.
More absurdly caricatured analogies.
You lost me there..... what time is it there? Is it Happy Hour again?
Ad-hom personal attack
I do think however that Walmart may in some sense be a symptom of something that is in fact a greater threat than terrorism but I don't think you meant that.
That's deeper stuff and will have to wait...
This is a fun bit of bait. Often as conversations wind down Seg will say what he really thinks. In this instance he will later probably admit that the left should be free to keep the sheep away from the evil corporate Walmart and likewise the sheep must tolerate whatever is built with whatever title and Islamic connotations it has associated with it. The elites that always seem to lose, but know best should win and those who win by telling the big lie, well they should lose since the elites are only protecting the sheep from themselves and the lies.
Not the same thing.
Authoritarian dictatorships such as the Right-wing ones led by Pinochet, Franco, Hitler etc, remove NORMAL people from a Society that they have made ABNORMAL yet called 'free' and the norm. Bit like what you do when you relabel 'right' as 'left' now I think of it but I digress. These regimes twist things into their opposites and their aim is to denigrate.
This is a bit of Seg fun where he keeps repeating how evil his associations with the right must be due to the murder of 12 million Jews, Gypsies and others. When pressed as to why the Communists have killed ten times that many the answers are absurd, personal attacks, or sometimes even, this the price of progress and everyone does it, but not really since the victors only said the losers did it and the victors were evil rich people and the losers were all the smart people.... who always lose.
Oth, imagine a class of children learning at a certain pace....perhaps there is one child who continually falls behind - maybe he thinks black is called 'white' or has trouble identifying which hand is the right-hand say - then he may well be removed to an environment where he can be given special attention more in keeping with his needs and where he is no longer a drag on the progress of his classmates.
The aim here is to progress. Two different things.
This is Seg's nice way of saying his eliminationist rhetoric is justified. The people who don't agree with him are slow, dimwitted, likely sub-human if he cared to fess up to it and thus when they are eliminated, as has often been the case when authoritarian leftist regimes come to power, they aren't really hurting anyone but merely cracking some eggs in the name of "progress."
This deep bit of reasoning is the defense for the eliminationist rhetoric.
To the hungry man two plus two equals four loaves of bread.
This line shows that this is for the hungry and poor masses, who we will help against those teling the big lie, even though the hungry and poor masses don't seem to understand, want or desire our help. When we take over, those who agree with us will benefit, those who aren't will be assigned to that "special class" due to their falling behind with regard to enlightenment. That class will go on a fieldtrip where they will all conveniently turn up dead, but hey, at least they aren't shopping at Walmart and they certainly won't be intolerantly protesting Islamic cultural centers so all is good with the world in the end.
I have to have my own bit of fun there at the end too. Considering what was posted, I've been quite the model of restraint.