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Air Sharing Pro is very powerful can be used to transfer files between phone & any where. You can even do ssh login and browse code (if you are into S/W development). But, there is no way now available to transfer content from one app to another but sure there it will be and when it is it will be the best & most simplest way.

Yes, but these are third party add-ons and at least one requires a jailbreak. I was talking about the basic functionality of the device as envisioned by the designers (Apple). Moving files around between iOS devices or between iOS devices and desktops is basically non-functional at this point. The kludge they use in iTunes to force files onto the device is counter-intutitve at best, buggy, and has different implementations depending on what app you are using.

It seems clear even to a casual observer that Apple doesn't *want* (at least so far), to allow users easy access to their files or an easy way to move files on and off the devices. Needless to say, I find this a huge barrier to productivity of any kind.

Apple usually quotes security concerns as the reason why they don't (when they comment at all), and they use the same excuse for not having a home screen that updates with useful information as almost every other device on the market has. I find these to be specious claims that are just handy to throw out as excuses.

Maybe they will fix all this stuff someday. I'm just tired of waiting.
post #122 of 334
All these WP7 phones being sold all over the world are made in China and Korea but they aren't selling them there? Do those countries' telecom outfits know something that's not being made public?
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Does Windows Phone 7 still have the intentionally cut off text?

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post #124 of 334
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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

MS sells promises, while Apple sells phones.

How long you wait for reals apps in the phone?
How long you wait for copy & paste?
How long you wait for multitask?
How long you wait for stereo audio via bluetooth? if you go to the gym with wires headphones, you blow it
post #125 of 334
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I'm not sure where you're from but virtually every business meeting I attend there is at least one iPad present. We are planning on using them extensively in our businesses.

Every meeting I go to has at least one or two people pretending to use their iPad for something or other also.

I don't find this a meaningful statistic or fact other than how it reflects on the current popularity of the device.
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How long you wait for reals apps in the phone?
How long you wait for copy & paste?
How long you wait for multitask?
How long you wait for stereo audio via bluetooth? if you go to the gym with wires headphones, you blow it

I dont recall Steve Jobs marketing what will be over what they have currently. Show me one interview where Apple is pimping their current products by pimping features they would obviously add at some future date. Even the day before the iOS 4.0 demonstration multitasking still was just a rumour. Same goes for cut/copy/paste in iPhone OS 3.0.
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Originally Posted by wnurse View Post

Interesting how everyone knows Microsoft target. Target not Apple?.. yeah, if you believe that, i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. Has Microsoft ever met a company it did not want to crush? Microsoft is competing against all cell phone makers, whether they are named apple or not.

I must have hit a nerve. A few points. Yes, this is an Apple board, but in spite of that, Apple is not the center of the Universe. Also, I said Apple, not iPhone, you should learn to read.

A few issues.

1. MS is creating an ecosystem for Windows users similar to that for Mac users with iTunes etc. There is no incentive for a Mac User to a WP7 phone.
2. There is no support for Mac users at all in WP7, hence Apple is not a target.
3. BB does Business well, entertainment, not so much. The WP7 phone does both. Hence, BB is a target.
4. Android has no unified ecosystem, WP7 does, hence Android is a target.
5. Windows users who have an iPhone. Depending on the person there may be an incentive to switch (e.g., active Xbox gamer with Live account), but for some Windows users there will not be a compelling reason to switch. Hence, the iPhone is only indirectly a target.

See, if you stop and take some time to think about things, it is not all that hard.
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Apple amazing profits are do the fact they created the "real" smart phone market. They got it right... Lots of people bought their product because their product was new and totally innovative. As a result Apple made lots and lots of money.

Now, Apple has some serious competition now with Google and Microsoft. Will the iPhone continue to be a cash cow for years and years to come? I am not so sure.

The multiple carrier question in the US is still an unanswered question. There is nothing outside of rumors that indicate Apple is going to be offer on anybody other than AT&T.

Apple doesn't even have top market share in any of its markets and is still among the most profitable companies in every one of its markets, if not the most profitable.

Let's start with Android. Google basically gives away Android for free. In fact, Google's main source of revenue, if not the only source, is advertising. Every product that Google offers is designed to flow through ad revenue. That may not be the best business model.

Now take Microsoft. Microsoft is a software company. With Windows, Microsoft basically licenses Windows. Microsoft also sells Office. This creates distinct sources of revenue.

Now we have Apple. Apple makes both hardware and software. Apple has a good portfolio of revenue-generating products.

Google does not have a strong portfolio of revenue-generating products. Every product in Google's portfolio feeds into ads.

As for the AT&T exclusivity, that's going to end. For now, Apple has to honor its contract.
post #129 of 334
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

oh yes horrid...

Brilliant strategy btw, they can't get one single decent phone out to get some traction and they decide to release nine. Geniuses...

Microsoft has not released any phones. They have provided an OS for nine phones released from competing manufacturers.
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post #130 of 334
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Originally Posted by Coolaaron88 View Post

Its being added early 2011

At least Microsoft has publicly committed to adding copy/paste, rather than trying to downplay and dismiss it.
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1. MS is creating an ecosystem for Windows users similar to that for Mac users with iTunes etc. There is no incentive for a Mac User to a WP7 phone.
2. There is no support for Mac users at all in WP7, hence Apple is not a target.
3. BB does Business well, entertainment, not so much. The WP7 phone does both. Hence, BB is a target.
4. Android has no unified ecosystem, WP7 does, hence Android is a target.
5. Windows users who have an iPhone. Depending on the person there may be an incentive to switch (e.g., active Xbox gamer with Live account), but for some Windows users there will not be a compelling reason to switch. Hence, the iPhone is only indirectly a target.

I agree with all these points.
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post #132 of 334
Take a look at the Samsung Omnia 7 review...

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i870...review-522.php

I have to say, this is the first OS I have been truly excited about since iOS, and definitely looks to be the next best thing.
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At least Microsoft has publicly committed to adding copy/paste, rather than trying to downplay and dismiss it.

Ill bite. When did Apple or Jobs ever dismiss the entire concept of cut/copy/paste as something they would never add to the iPhone?
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Wall Street impressed, MSFT up a dime.

Wall Street reacts to the strangest news.

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post #135 of 334
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

Take a look at the Samsung Omnia 7 review...

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i870...review-522.php

I have to say, this is the first OS I have been truly excited about since iOS, and definitely looks to be the next best thing.

3 hour talk time? uggh
no flash OR silverlight in the browser? i have to laugh...
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I agree with all these points.

thanks.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I disagree.

As much as I hate Microsoft and have the lowest opinion of their design chops, these look like credible competitors to me. They are striking right at Apple's achilles heel with these things and I would expect that unless the actual user experience on the hardware is shite (and early reviews are that they are actually pretty slick BTW), that they will gain a lot of traction. Apple is focussed like a laser on the consumer as a sort of target to sell media to. Their offerings in terms of productivity however, are minimal, beta-esque and fraught with usability problems. This is the main weakness of the iOS platform IMO and Microsoft is going for the jugular here.

The whole "tiles" metaphor seems junky and clunky to me, but people will put up a lot to get the integration and because a lot of the views Microsoft is giving on your data with these phones is actually useful as opposed to the iOS way of doing things. Business users, and anyone who actually does work on their phone will gravitate towards these kinds of devices until Apple gets their finger out and decides to make phones or tablets for that part of the market (if they ever do).

I really can't understand your animosity towards Microsoft. A lot of us have done well using their products in the past. As a Mac user since day one plus a few months when Multiplan came out, Microsoft has always been part of my business armamentarium as we might say in medicine.

Not that I particularly wanted to, but to cut off my nose to spite my face? Hey you do what you have to. In any event, as more and more programs became available and more functional for my purposes, the likes of Microsoft have been less of a need for me more recently.

I use Pages and Numbers every day now and there is nothing I can't do with either application that I could do with Office. And even now on the iPad, a Bluetooth keyboard is becoming more that adequate on even the largest of documents. Most of my need for Office involves processes that I know I could resolve just with a little more thought, and getting past the 'creature of habit' phase.

To suggest that …until Apple needs to get their finger out and…" is their achilles heal is ludicrous. Microsoft will do well. However, their latest endeavours are being developed by a team of two left footers. Which for the most part is historically their style. And for the most part, much of the world's business community. Not that it is a bad thing. Just that it is without the likes of the Dassler Brothers, we could still be running on filp-flops.

Right now we are building a half dozed custom business apps. And if you got your head out of the sand, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of apps on the iTunes store for the choosing.

Perhaps you should take a look at Apples 'iPhone in Business site. http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/, as well as their 'iPad in Business' site. http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/

As well WIRED just recently wrote a review, "Apple’s iPad: clearly the top tablet for business"
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Just as “there’s an app for that” has proven true for many when searching the iTunes app store, there’s now probably a “business app for that” there now too. If not, someone’s likely working on it, and if not, it might be that million-dollar idea that propels you into creating your own startup to provide business software for the iPad, other tablets and computing devices.

The future is looking brilliant for tablets in business especially through 2011 and beyond, with plenty of business apps to come for future Android, WebOS and Windows tablets, but unless you’re willing to buy a much more expensive Windows-based convertible tablet or slate right now, or wait for “cheaper” (and potentially less powerful) Windows slates to emerge “sometime before Christmas”, the iPad is the only business tablet in town with the fastest growing library of apps since tribbles started reproducing.

All of these other tablets are welcome competition to ensure Apple does better and to “keep it in line”, but if you’ve done the research and can see that an iPad would help you in business, what are you waiting for?

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-ne...t-for-business
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3 hour talk time? uggh
no flash OR silverlight in the browser? i have to laugh...

I am lucky if I get 3 hours talk time on my iPhone 3g running iOS 4
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I'm not sure where you're from but virtually every business meeting I attend there is at least one iPad present. We are planning on using them extensively in our businesses.

involved in a multi-billion dollar company, and have never seen one. A few iphones, thats about it.

I do routinely see business folk playing on ipads in aircraft/airline lounges. Sat next to one the other day on a flight. He loved his iPad, just couldnt do any decent business with it because of its file management setup. He could play with emails and calendar tho.
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Microsoft has not released any phones. They have provided an OS for nine phones released from competing manufacturers.

That's what I am saying, they should have opted for exclusivity and had someone make a phone for them, at most two. They are (again) idiots for failing to see the right strategy. Ok, they are a laughing stock for letting everyone surpass them in a market where they were supposedly leading or trying to lead, but they are still not smelling the coffee...

Still? Still.

One competitor has a supposed open source platform and give the os away for free, another one has the best and tightest integration of os and hardware, still another (blackberry) is an established force in business, and another one is an established force in making phones (nokia), what the f. are they doing then selling os's to phones like they did 30 years ago with pcs? What the f. strategy is that, and who the f. wants an array of windows phones with all that competition which has managed to establish itself so well?
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Despite MS still designing some things by boardroom committee and some of the HW vendors doing some odd things I think most of the HW and the OS look pretty slick. Its also the first ecosystem that has any chance of competing with Apple in any way.

I agree. I'm really quite envious of the tiles UI.

Once it gets into the hands of users we'll see if it works in a 'delightful' manner but so far MS looks like they've something they can build upon.
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I am lucky if I get 3 hours talk time on my iPhone 3g running iOS 4

Comparing a 2 year old phone with supposed state of the art new phones... brilliant.

Point underlined.
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I am lucky if I get 3 hours talk time on my iPhone 3g running iOS 4

Apple still leads the pack with battery times.





Well worn handset batteries not withstanding, but that is a fate of all devices. As for the argument that its worse until iOS 4.0, that is very possible as it introduces new things, but Id rather have the option to update or not knowing this. On the flip side I do wish Apple made it easy to downgrade iOS.
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Take a look at the Samsung Omnia 7 review...

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i870...review-522.php

I have to say, this is the first OS I have been truly excited about since iOS, and definitely looks to be the next best thing.

Yeah, I feel excited too, especially when reading this:

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WP7-specific limitations
No system-wide file manager
No Bluetooth file transfers
No USB mass storage mode
Limited third-party apps availability
No Flash or Silverlight support in the browser
Too dependent on Zune software for file management and syncing
No video calls
No custom ringtones
Music player lacks equalizer presets
No multitasking
No copy/paste
No DivX/XviD video support (automatic transcoding provided by Zune software)
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
No internet tethering support

I feel excited because a warm nostalgia of being two years younger will engulf me when they bring on copy paste.

Seriously though, no multi tasking, no tethering, no video calls (I 've grown so fond of facetime...), boy microsoft you guys are space odyssey 2100.

And what's with no flash on the browser? After all the garbage thrown at apple by morons and pundits from the other camp, no flash? And you can't even support your OWN platform that is silverlight on YOUR browser?

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Originally Posted by -AG- View Post

I dont know if its already been said but ...


That is the key to the whole sales side of this phone.

Morons will buy it thinking it will be as good and mature as their Windows 7 home PC.

In reality they should be forced to call it Windows Phone 7 v1.0 or something so people know that its not Vista/7.

Hell iOS and Android had too, so why should MS be special?

Exactly, it's a point I wanted to make. Because again they are being dishonest and they are misleading people who don't know any better. Always aiming at making a buck with an under the belt blow.
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I am lucky if I get 3 hours talk time on my iPhone 3g running iOS 4

Yeah, the 3G is not Apple's best iPhone -- and iOS 4 adds little to the mix.

The 3G is almost 3 years old, running an iOS built for current iPhones.

Comparing that to a still-unavailable phone with vastly superior specs is not a fair or valid comparison, IMO.

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1. MS is creating an ecosystem for Windows users similar to that for Mac users with iTunes etc. There is no incentive for a Mac User to a WP7 phone.
2. There is no support for Mac users at all in WP7, hence Apple is not a target.
3. BB does Business well, entertainment, not so much. The WP7 phone does both. Hence, BB is a target.
4. Android has no unified ecosystem, WP7 does, hence Android is a target.
5. Windows users who have an iPhone. Depending on the person there may be an incentive to switch (e.g., active Xbox gamer with Live account), but for some Windows users there will not be a compelling reason to switch. Hence, the iPhone is only indirectly a target.
.

Honestly I wish Apple was a target.

One obstacle I would face in moving from an iPhone to a WP7 is getting my contacts for Address book and calendar items from iCal into WP7.

Thinking out loud, I suspect that these items could be synced from Outlook for Mac if I switched to it, no?
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

I really can't understand your animosity towards Microsoft.... "

MS has done more to hold back innovation and has cost companies Billions in lost time, loss of productivity, etc., by shipping, time and time again, inferior, buggy products.

I'm sorry, I can't get excited about MS anymore.

This is not "fanboism," it's realty...if you want to have a Windows product...go for it!

Me personally, I try not to buy any electronic product that isn't made by Apple.....No camera, stand alone GPS unit, no video camera, etc. I have even held off buying a blu-ray player!

I'll use my iPhone 4. An iPad and the new soon to be released MBA and I'm golden!

I just wish Apple would make a 60" flat screen TV! Or buy a Satellite TV company and solve, once and for all, the "go to Market" problem.

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The app issue is overstated. Apple app store did not open with 200k apps and neither did android, which is doing well. Second, many I those apps are games which is handled by xbox live. Third, as Apple tacitly admitted with it's recent no more fart apps statement, many of those apps are crap. Lastly, most surveys indicate most users do not use their apps after 2 weeks. Lastly, the windows app store will open with the major apps (eg netflix, flixster, etc).

yeah, blah, blah, the fact of the matter is their app store is rubbish, if you can make me two years younger for me to compare them with the competition, I ll gladly take that over a web argument lost, but sadly you can't.
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If this has been posted elsewhere, you'll excuse me I'm sure.

Windows Phone Really? Ad
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

I agree. I'm really quite envious of the tiles UI.

Once it gets into the hands of users we'll see if it works in a 'delightful' manner but so far MS looks like they've something they can build upon.

I would expect to see this in iOS 5.0. Of course, those anti-Apple (regardless of being pro-MS) will say Apple copied them… and maybe they did, though I think I’ve seen dynamic icons from Apple in the past.

Even if they are releasing it after MS — regardless of how much is “copied” — there are technical reasons for this. For instance, the A4 in the iPhone maybe 1GHz but I’d saying it’s running between 750 and 820MHz based on comparable performance to stated 1GHz iPad. While I think all WP7 handsets are required to have at least a 1GHz CPU.

Now, I don’t a 1GHz is the lowest usable speed that will work for these devices (compare with the minimum HW required for desktop OSes). I think this is the desirable minimum for a fast and impressive device which may or may not allow for these tiles to be useful. I bet the iPhone will be 1GHz or faster, perhaps with its processor speed actually marketed for the first time ever.
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

At least Microsoft has publicly committed to adding copy/paste, rather than trying to downplay and dismiss it.

Actually, up until today, MS did.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/m...ries-people-d/
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Apple still leads the pack with battery times.





Well worn handset batteries not withstanding, but that is a fate of all devices. As for the argument that its worse until iOS 4.0, that is very possible as it introduces new things, but Id rather have the option to update or not knowing this. On the flip side I do wish Apple made it easy to downgrade iOS.

I am not denying that apple leads the pack, but then again, 3 hours is 3 hours for me.
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I really can't understand your animosity towards Microsoft. A lot of us have done well using their products in the past. As a Mac user since day one plus a few months when Multiplan came out, Microsoft has always been part of my business armamentarium as we might say in medicine.

Not that I particularly wanted to, but to cut off my nose to spite my face? Hey you do what you have to. In any event, as more and more programs became available and more functional for my purposes, the likes of Microsoft have been less of a need for me more recently.

I use Pages and Numbers every day now and there is nothing I can't do with either application that I could do with Office. And even now on the iPad, a Bluetooth keyboard is becoming more that adequate on even the largest of documents. Most of my need for Office involves processes that I know I could resolve just with a little more thought, and getting past the 'creature of habit' phase.

To suggest that until Apple needs to get their finger out and" is their achilles heal is ludicrous. Microsoft will do well. However, their latest endeavours are being developed by a team of two left footers. Which for the most part is historically their style. And for the most part, much of the world's business community. Not that it is a bad thing. Just that it is without the likes of the Dassler Brothers, we could still be running on filp-flops.

Right now we are building a half dozed custom business apps. And if you got your head out of the sand, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of apps on the iTunes store for the choosing.

Perhaps you should take a look at Apples 'iPhone in Business site. http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/, as well as their 'iPad in Business' site. http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/

As well WIRED just recently wrote a review, "Apples iPad: clearly the top tablet for business"

No offence but I don't get what you are talking about really either so maybe we should just agree to disagree. You start off by saying you don't understand my criticism of Microsoft and then segue into a description of Microsoft as inept, poor developers, poor planning etc. which sounds worse than my frank but personal admission that I just don't like them.

My criticism of Apple's approach is based on the base software and the base design of the iPhone, but then you argue against it by mentioning a lot of third party apps? Perhaps my criticisms are confused and I just don't realise it, but your opinion is all over the map as far as I can see and I don't see any progress to be made in debating this with you because i'm not really sure what your point of view is.

My point of view (right or wrong), is fairly transparent. iOS and the devices that run it are just not up to snuff in terms of being a workable solution for mobile computing (IMO of course). They are wonderful devices for mobile communication, and mobile leisure and social activities, but if I can't realistically type a quick document on them or transfer that document to my desktop (or vice versa), in an easy straightforward fashion that doesn't require me to buy into third party solutions, then that's a big flaw in my book.

I've been using the iPad since day one and the (very recent) update to MobileMe is the very *first* time that I was able to quickly and easily get documents on and off the thing. Unfortunately, like most everyone I know, I use MobileMe for my personal stuff, not my work stuff so it still doesn't help me out with anything serious.

It's no secret why the productivity aspects of the iPad are advertised last and only take up a tiny bit of the run time of the commercials, or a small fraction of the text on the description pages at Apple.com. It's just not designed for productivity first. It's a leisure device that *can* be used to produce documents, not a mobile computer that *can* be used for leisure.

As for Wired, they don't know much about anything anymore and besides which, it's pretty easy to say it's the "top tablet for business" when it's still basically the only tablet on the market.
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If this has been posted elsewhere, you'll excuse me I'm sure.

Windows Phone Really? Ad

Wow.That is a REALLY nice, very clever, ad.

Are we sure it's Microsoft?
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Honestly I wish Apple was a target.

One obstacle I would face in moving from an iPhone to a WP7 is getting my contacts for Address book and calendar items from iCal into WP7.

Thinking out loud, I suspect that these items could be synced from Outlook for Mac if I switched to it, no?


It all syncs through the cloud. Export your Address book as a vcf - create a windows live account and import into that and you are good to go.

I have been running the Office Beta (nice piece of software), and I am hoping they will create a Hotmail Live Connector for the Mac like they have for windows, and then it is even simpler.
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Originally Posted by vexorg View Post

LOL. got me there. That is something of an exception, though. They normally lick their wounds and try harder until they get it.

Which could take years looking back at Win 98 just a patch for Win 95, which by the way they charged you full price for, and the fact that it took 2 service packs to get XP to a decent state. And then there is ME and Vista to add to KIn and Zune as failed products. Not the greatest track record.
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

yeah, blah, blah, the fact of the matter is their app store is rubbish, if you can make me two years younger for me to compare them with the competition, I ll gladly take that over a web argument lost, but sadly you can't.

Wow, you work for MS, I did not know that. The app store is not open yet, so we do not know it is "rubbish", unless of course this is the same MS = evil drivel.
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Originally Posted by Denton View Post

If this has been posted elsewhere, you'll excuse me I'm sure.

Windows Phone Really? Ad

So what are they trying to say? As social commentary I am with them 100%. But what is their point that they 'll make a phone that bad that no one would want to use? Because what exact advantage are they offering so their phones can let you be a quick "in and out" (is that pun intended?) ? People are not addicted to their phones because the phones are so great, but because they are addicted to some uses they offer, they help them waist time, the distract them, they help them avoid things that make them uncomfortable etc. etc. What's ms's solution to that? Rubbish marketing? Oh, but now I get it, it's the same old bs, they don't have an answer....

Bring back Bill, Jerry Seinfeld and stupid smelly shoe ads, they look like something out of the cannes film festival compared to this.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I would expect to see this in iOS 5.0. Of course, those anti-Apple (regardless of being pro-MS) will say Apple copied them and maybe they did, though I think Ive seen dynamic icons from Apple in the past.

Even if they are releasing it after MS regardless of how much is copied there are technical reasons for this. For instance, the A4 in the iPhone maybe 1GHz but Id saying its running between 750 and 820MHz based on comparable performance to stated 1GHz iPad. While I think all WP7 handsets are required to have at least a 1GHz CPU.

Now, I dont a 1GHz is the lowest usable speed that will work for these devices (compare with the minimum HW required for desktop OSes). I think this is the desirable minimum for a fast and impressive device which may or may not allow for these tiles to be useful. I bet the iPhone will be 1GHz or faster, perhaps with its processor speed actually marketed for the first time ever.

That would mean that iOS 5 would be incompatible with iPhone 4. That may be possible but seems unlikely IMO. Apple have so far seen to it that each iPhone could get at least one iOS upgrade. I'm not sure I'd expect that to change.
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Which could take years looking back at Win 98 just a patch for Win 95, which by the way they charged you full price for, and the fact that it took 2 service packs to get XP to a decent state. And then there is ME and Vista to add to KIn and Zune as failed products. Not the greatest track record.

no one seems to remember os x initial outing when complaining about os releases. its like the 'holy bible', it fell from the sky in its current incarnation....
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