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post #81 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:23pm
Poor little bastard... For the normal person this "brand" means total crap and POS....
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post #82 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

This headline does not fairly characterize Ballmer's words. He does not say "Apple's not so much." He does not say Apple's brand "means nothing to the user." The quote could just as easily been directed at the myriad of Android phones as Apple. Seems more attention grabbing and link baiting than actual news.

Based on the context I think he was talking about android. It is almost like it was a canned statement he memorized to respond to android questions and happened to use it after say something about apple.

Even directed at the Android market I think he is still off base. My discussions with folks at work indicated that Android has a better brand image than MSFT.
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post #83 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

or the iPod?

You're right. After all, I should have add the Zune on the list. The reason I didn't is very simple: I've never seen one close enough to make an assessment on it.
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post #84 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Tails View Post

It's quite obvious what it means. People using Windows PC's don't use it because Windows is made by Microsoft. They use it because there's no alternative. You want to play games on your PC, you gotta use Windows. You want to use Microsoft Office (the full version, not the mac version), you gotta use Windows.

Many people buying Apple products, know in many ways that they are actually paying a premium over PC boxes, that can practically do the same thing their macs do in different ways. But they buy Apple because they like the brand and what it stands for. If anything Microsoft stands for reboots crashes and blue screens. The company actually has a bad reputation among its customers, most people who use Windows, hate it, and yet they still use it because they don't have an alternative. So Ballmer's words are really nonsense. Apple is actually a primary example in brand name in textbooks. Apple brand is like a cult, and it's mocked a lot, in forums like this even, that whatever Apple makes is immediately golden because of it. That's how much power the brand name has.

Well put, agree!
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post #85 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

Agreed about the quotes taken out of context.

On another note, the statement that there are more ipads than he'd like to see is classless. It is a sad state when you need a competitor to fail in order for you to succeed

Quote of the month. Thank you!
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post #86 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:36pm
Ballmer has no clue whatsoever. And that's fine by me, he provides great entertainment.

He continually spouts off about why Apple's products aren't what people want yet he's always wrong. You think by now he might decide to pull off a "summer of George" and just do the opposite.

Apple's phone isn't going to appeal to everyone, it was only meant to appeal to the majority. Most of us don't need 15 different iPhones to choose from, we just need one that suits our needs. That's been shown to be true. The iPad was never meant to be all things to all people, but hit the sweet-spot of what most people need. That's been shown to be true.

The iPad was never supposed to replace a laptop in all cases, but it certainly can in many cases. That's the point Ballmer! While you're chasing your tail trying to please everyone, Android and Apple will continue to piss in your Cornflakes!

Every time Ballmer opens his mouth I always wonder what holy nugget of a comedy gem the guy is going to spew next. He clearly doesn't get it, which is precisely why Microsoft continues to be a fading company with little future. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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post #87 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:38pm
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a joke.
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2011 13" 2.3 MBP, 2006 15" 2.16 MBP, iPhone 4, iPod Shuffle, AEBS, AppleTV2 with XBMC.
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post #88 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:39pm
Ballmer's trolling Apple fans
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post #89 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

Again, this makes no sense. The phones cost the same - the iPhone is not more expensive than an Android or WP7 phone, so how are Android and WP7 customers low end?

One (word) ..... BOGO.

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post #90 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

One (word) ..... BOGO.

Please show me any evidence that WP7 phones will be subjected to a BOGO.
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post #91 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Most people haven't worked out that he wasn't attacking Apple's brand, despite the headline.

Whatever.

/Gets popcorn

I watched the first part-- Balmer neither attacked Apple's brand nor Apple's standards. Clearly those criticisms were aimed at Google.

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post #92 of 219
10/12/10 at 5:59pm
Steve Ballmer is out of touch ... in fact, if he were smart and forward thinking, he would be developing iPad apps. But instead, he complains and whines like a big baby for the most part.

I will never buy a Microsoft product until Microsoft alters it's approach to customers and it's products.
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post #93 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by podboq View Post

It's getting really tedious that companies can't build appreciation for their products without tearing down a competitor's.

Most are guilty of it, I know, doesn't make my statement any less true.

Maybe I'm just oblivious, but I'm not aware of Sony always attacking Toshiba, or Panasonic, or Phillips, or the other way around. GM doesn't bash Ford. Porsche doesn't make snide remarks about Volvo. Chase doesn't criticize Bank of America. Mostly the just promote the virtues of their own products. Sure, there's comparisons.... but most of the bashing comes from users/fans/clubs, not the manufacturers.

Except when it comes to Apple & Microsoft. It's like they hire political campaign managers to be consultants to their marketing departments. Apple has been the lead basher pretty much since the introduction of the Mac. Sometimes it's amusing, but mostly I find their whole "I'm a Mac. I'm a PC" ads to be distasteful. Apple tends to act like a whiney spoiled brat. It's annoying even if the products are great.

Ballmer's attacks are just insulting. His arguments are often stooooopid. I doubt that he is stupid, but he expects me to be dumb enough to believe his drivel. He insults my intelligence.
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post #94 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

This is very confusing. All of the released phones cost $199, same as the iPhone 4, and you can buy the 3Gs for $99. So, if MS customers are cheapskates, are Apple customers destitute?

Only after we have purchased all the different Apple products.
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post #95 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:02pm
All Microsoft means to me is cheap, unreliable, products that will let you down at important times.
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post #96 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:12pm
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Only after we have purchased all the different Apple products.

true enough

As an aside, ever since the WP7 announcement, there have been a whole lot of new posters. I wonder what is up.
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post #97 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:15pm
Ballmer is ready for politics. Say something enough times and lots of people will start to believe it. Maybe he'll run for President of the United States.
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post #98 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

Please show me any evidence that WP7 phones will be subjected to a BOGO.

Obviously, until the product appears in the marketplace, WP7 is excluded .... however Android has already gone that route and previous offerings from MSF have also gone the BOGO route, so it isn't much of a stretch to "predict" the same for WP7.

http://phandroid.com/2010/02/16/buy-...izon-wireless/

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post #99 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Obviously, until the product appears in the marketplace, WP7 is excluded .... however Android has already gone that route and previous offerings from MSF have also gone the BOGO route, so it isn't much of a stretch to "predict" the same for WP7.

http://phandroid.com/2010/02/16/buy-...izon-wireless/

Sure it is. Two different companies, two different approaches to the phone and OS.
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post #100 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:26pm
Well, now that is interesting. AI changed the title of the article and removed the "Apple not so much" part.

So, how many who railed against MS for the "not so much" part are going to man up and admit they were wrong?
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post #101 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:27pm
This just in... Steve Ballmer is STILL clueless.
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post #102 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

There's another possibility: he has to defend his products. He has no other choice. I mean, he can't just come out and say, "yeah, we got nothin folks so you can all go run back to your iPhones and iPads." No CEO could say that in public. It's his job to sell what Microsoft brung to the market. If he doesn't defend Microsoft in public, the Board will certainly have grounds to fire him.

Still, I miss the sweaty "monkey boy dance" of classic Ballmer, when they were on top of the world.

It's called "selling what you have in the wagon"!

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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
– Alan Kay –
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post #103 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:38pm
Please do more than read the headlines ...

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Originally Posted by Cubert View Post

And he actually said it all with a straight face. He's so thoroughly convinced himself that what he says is actually true I bet he could even pass a lie detector test.,

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Originally Posted by SailorPaul View Post

Did Ballmer visit a medical marijuana store in a western state just before this interview? The quality of Ballmer's comments prove that he inhaled -- many, many, many times-- before speaking such rubbish.

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This guy continues to prove over & over again that he is in denial and completely delusional.

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OMG OMG OMG And this guy is running Microsoft - into the ground! Even if one were brain dead, just read the stupid surveys and studies! Few brands today are as valuable - mean as much to consumers - as Apple.

Watch the interview ... not once does he say what AI is claiming ... not once. I'm not a fan of MSF but, in this case, AI is doing a great disservice to SB and, frankly, to us .... it's own customer base. Quite frankly, AI, I'm disappointed in you. With this kind of distortion of the facts you are showing yourself to be nothing short of "The National Enquirer" of the tech sites. I expected more from you.

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post #104 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:39pm
Does Steve B always have to speak to the media? He does have Vps and pr people. Get somebody. Anybody. Steve Jobs lets Phil, Tim, and Johnathan speak for apple.
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post #105 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

Sure it is. Two different companies, two different approaches to the phone and OS.

Did you miss this part of my post? ....previous offerings from MSF

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post #106 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:46pm
First up, how the hell does MS think they are going to win with hardware being produced and managed by 3rd party celly makers? Makes no sense. The only thing MS will get are royalties from the their mobile OS. MS wants nothing to do with cell phone hardware.
Secondly, the tablet thing. MS will do their classic formula. they will make the OS to be played on the so-called tablet format that they license to every effing OEM on earth. Then they will sit on their a** and wait for the checks to roll in.

In the meanwhile the MS tablet will get saturated and cheap as each maker tries outdoing one another. Eventually the evolution of the MS tablet will have come into full effect with almost no innovation left on its godda*** bones.
This will inevitably lead to gimmicky products like hello effing kitty or Justin Beiber(licensed product cause by time this thing happens Beiber, for instance, will be on celebrity big brother getting his a** kick by Suge Knght) tablets.

Need I say more?
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post #107 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by danyak View Post

Yeah, and we chose our water company, electric company, and garbage collectors because their "brands" and performance mean so much to us!

The analogies are pretty good especially the last one.
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post #108 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by Kung Fu Guy View Post

Does Steve B always have to speak to the media? He does have Vps and pr people. Get somebody. Anybody. Steve Jobs lets Phil, Tim, and Johnathan speak for apple.

Megalomania comes to mind.
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post #109 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

Did you miss this part of my post? ....previous offerings from MSF

I saw what you wrote, I just don't believe that we are dealing with the "old" MS anymore, in spite of what most people here seem to believe
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post #110 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:57pm
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"Da's a hol' lotta' iPadin' goin' on out dare"...

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– Alan Kay –
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post #111 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:58pm
i have tried to understand what he is trying to say.
but its impossible.
the windows brand does not stand for quality or reliability.
it does still stand for:
- large, global reach
what else? maybe now it only represents negative things like:
- large initial roll-outs that attract no attention and eventually are shelved
- me-too products
- lack of innovation
- lack of attention to detail

More than anything else, Microsoft's inability to partner one-on-one with its thousands of companies that roll out windows based products and therefore still not being able to control or shape the end user experience is what has killed Microsoft.

When Jobs comments that Microsoft has "no taste" it is a short hand way of saying that the end user experience is not important to Microsoft.

So what does the Microsoft brand mean to users? Not a whole lot these days.

And the board of directors of Microsoft is responsible for not having removed Ballmer 5 to 6 years ago.
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post #112 of 219
10/12/10 at 6:59pm
Has anyone noticed that he ipad gets no freaking viruses? Ha!
I have the 16 gig wifi+3G and using it is amazing!
Apple purposely f***** the pc industry up to surpass them with the ipad, IMHO. And as MS and their OEMs try besting the ipad they will bury their own bloated pc industry.
And since the MS tablet will be as cheap as a 25 cent h**er expect a race o the bottom. Like always.
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post #113 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:03pm
Doesn't mean it means something good.
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post #114 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by Zaphodsplanet View Post

Okay, I'm sorry but WHAT IN THE HELL is up with the dude interviewing Ballmer. Looks like he's wearing a sweater he took out of his sisters closet, then stole his grandmothers glasses....

Or are we all supposed to pretend he's a girl? And that freaking girl hairstyle..... which he doesn't pull off at all.... is he also wearing a bra?

Is this an idiot who can't accept he was born with a Penis? As for the MS phone..... Lame as always..... I'd be surprised if Gates throws out Ballmer though. He's such an incredible dork that he actually makes Gates look slightly less dorky.

I'm sorry... I still can't get over the CNET interviewer..... Gag!

It seems Ina Fried is a male who has had a sex change to become a female. (Says so at the bottom of the interview.) Agree about the choice of sweater -- not so good.
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post #115 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by niji View Post

i have tried to understand what he is trying to say.
but its impossible.
the windows brand does not stand for quality or reliability.
it does still stand for:
- large, global reach
what else? maybe now it only represents negative things like:
- large initial roll-outs that attract no attention and eventually are shelved
- me-too products
- lack of innovation
- lack of attention to detail

More than anything else, Microsoft's inability to partner one-on-one with its thousands of companies that roll out windows based products and therefore still not being able to control or shape the end user experience is what has killed Microsoft.

When Jobs comments that Microsoft has "no taste" it is a short hand way of saying that the end user experience is not important to Microsoft.

So what does the Microsoft brand mean to users? Not a whole lot these days.

And the board of directors of Microsoft is responsible for not having removed Ballmer 5 to 6 years ago.

To be fair, MSFT's target market is not consumers-- rather it is IT/Enterprise. And, it plays that game as well as anyone.

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– Alan Kay –
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post #116 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

It's called "selling what you have in the wagon"!

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post #117 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

With Ballmer recently claiming during an analyst meeting that forging an iPad rival is priority No. 1,...

It must be nice for Microsoft to be shown the way to their priority No. 1's all the time... Vista/Windows7, Zune, Marketplace, Windows phone 7, and now their version of the iPad... makes me wonder what would become of MS if left to their own devices without the aid of Apple's inspiration and R&D?

Ten years ago, we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash.  Today we have no Jobs, no Hope and no Cash.

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post #118 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:40pm
Yeah Microsoft means something... it means crappy software made by a evil company with no culture that is run by an idiot.
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post #119 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by ChickenHawk View Post

There's not promoting your competitors, and then there's groundless trash talk that makes you look like an idiot. Other CEOs seem to have a more respectful stump time along the lines of "We respect what X are doing, but thing Y is a better direction for what our consumers want"

Throwing chairs and stomping on your employees' iPhones?
Ballmer's all class, baby.

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post #120 of 219
10/12/10 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

It must be nice for Microsoft to be shown the way to their priority No. 1's all the time... Vista/Windows7, Zune, Marketplace, Windows phone 7, and now their version of the iPad... makes me wonder what would become of MS if left to their own devices without the aid of Apple's inspiration and R&D?

Are you really going to believe AI after what they did with this story
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