Apple's share of U.S. PC market cracks the 10% barrier - Page 3

Originally Posted by DocNo42

A computer is only needed to activate it. Something the Genius bar is happy to do for you before you leave the store. Or you could do it at a friends house (now if you don't have friends, I can see how that would be an issue - but even the friendless can find an Apple store).

Originally Posted by solipsism

Your post is certainly idiotic. Let's examine your reading comphrehenion (or rather, lack thereof)...

The bottom line is there really isn't much in the way of electronics these days that isn't a "computer" in the broadest sense of the term, but to imply that any product that can technically do what the original 'PC' did 4 decades prior means it should automatically be added to these figures is absurd.

Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody

Roughly one in four purchases of a personal computer for home use are Macs.

Originally Posted by cycomiko

How will you get 4.2 onto the ipad to use printing if you dont have a computer?

Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton

OMG! Barrier-gate!

Originally Posted by cycomiko

So you either have to live in one of the centres that apple deems worthy of an apple store, bludge off friends, or dont get 4.2 upgrade?

Originally Posted by pmoshay

Curious about your source on this statistic? That's my guess including only home users able to make autonomous choices.

Originally Posted by DaHarder

Maybe that's because the Apple iPad is a computer peripheral NOT a stand-alone computing device.

Note: One must use an actual computer to even get the iPad up and running... Very Telling

Originally Posted by DocNo42

Genius bar? Friends?

It's hardly mandatory to own a computer to use an iPad.

Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton

True, but you'd be smart to sync up with a computer for when your iPad is stolen, lost, or drowns in the rain. My iPhone 3GS failed (under warranty) after 11 months 2 weeks, but because I synced it every week, it was a ridiculously EASY & PAINLESS restore. I can be confident that if I ever needed to replace my iPad unexpectedly, I could get back to normal. Apple has made it so simple, I'm amazed to hear people not wanting to sync up their iPad with a computer, or calling it unnecessary. Those people are braver than I am.

P.S., I hope for a new MacBook Air, new Xserves, and a better FCP, but one can dream!

Originally Posted by DocNo42

I wouldn't assume only home users get to make "autonomous choices". While many of my compatriots in corporate IT land don't want to acknowledge it, the consumerization of IT is very real. And often being driven from the top down.

Woe be any IT "professionals" who marginalize or dismiss the iPhone and iPad as something that can't happen in their environment, or as some undeserving "trend".

How soon people forget that the whole PC vs. mainframe/midrange coup of the 80's started with end users bringing in "home" or "personal" equipment, often counter to corporate policy. If users weren't pushing corporate IT, many organizations would still be on Windows 3.1 or Windows 2000. Do IT people really think blackberrys became popular because blackberry's were embraced by the IT "priesthood" and pre-emptively provided to end users? Early blackberries were hated by IT (and often for good reason, the early versions of the BES server was dreadful, the data network unreliable (to be fair no more unreliable than other cellular data networks at the time), and device management/activation was a pain. Desktop software that wasn't the friendliest towards automatic installation was required to backup the devices and change settings. As an email administrator, I hated blackberries and other mobile devices - an extreme PITA...

Seriously? People need to really look at history and how much of this stuff actually became entrenched in their environments. 8 times out of 10 it was due to user demand, not IT being proactive. Sure, there are some companies where IT drives innovation and change, but that is pretty flipping rare. Usually it's due to the company viewing IT as a cost center more than the IT guys being defensive and reactive vs. proactive - although there is plenty of that going around, especially when the subject of Apple comes up

That's why I find corporate adoption rates of the iPhone and iPad so fascinating. Apple faces a SEVERE anti-Apple bias with most "IT Professionals". With iOS 4, within the next six months things should get really interesting as projects that are now in testing reach wide deployment. I can't wait for my company issued iPhone

Originally Posted by Booga

You can request that Apple activate it in the Apple Store for you. Once activated, it doesn't need a computer.

Originally Posted by appl

But that is not what the word barrier mens. I\\'ve never been to Spain, but it is no barrier.

1
a : something material that blocks or is intended to block passage <highway barriers> <a barrier contraceptive>
b : a natural formation or structure that prevents or hinders movement or action <geographic barriers to species dissemination> <barrier beaches> <drugs that cross the placental barrier>
2
plural often capitalized : a medieval war game in which combatants fight on foot with a fence or railing between them
3
: something immaterial that impedes or separates : obstacle <behavioral barriers> <trade barriers>

Examples of BARRIER

Concrete barriers surround the race track to protect spectators.
The tree\\'s roots serve as a barrier against soil erosion.
The mountain range forms a natural barrier between the two countries.
Both leaders are in favor of removing trade barriers.
Cultural barriers have made it hard for women to enter many professions.
He argues that regulations should not be viewed as barriers to progress.

Originally Posted by cycomiko

How will you get 4.2 onto the ipad to use printing if you dont have a computer?

Originally Posted by cycomiko

How will you get 4.2 onto the ipad to use printing if you dont have a computer?

Originally Posted by alandail

how do you get windows 7 onto a netbook that doesn't have a CD drive?

Originally Posted by newbee

Sol, you were pretty quick to jump on him/her, don't you think? If you ask me, I think, in terms of sales analysis, any machine that is purchased to replace what would have been a "computer" purchase otherwise, could and should be included in that sales category. It's pretty clear that the majority of iPad users are replacing most of their traditional "computing time" with "iPad time". If there wasn't any such thing as an iPad I'm sure that other "computers" would have been bought ..... wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by alandail

how do you get windows 7 onto a netbook that doesn't have a CD drive? Those are still counted in sales of computers and are typically used by people who have another computer in their house or business.

How do you get a new OS release onto a MacBook Air? Those are still counted in sales of computers.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

You don't. Pretty simple.

Originally Posted by solipsism

1) Way to pull usage of superfical without understanding the point.. again.

Originally Posted by solipsism

2) You cant have it both ways, .

Originally Posted by stevetim

I am only pulling out what you are writing. I made a list of tasks that the ipad does that are also done on computers and you called them superficial. So yes I pulled it out.

Actually I can have it both ways... because apple has it both ways. They sell pages, numbers and keynote to ipad users but not iphone users. So there is a clear distinction drawn by apple. I would hardly call that hypocritical. And I would hardly call that idiotic ... two characterizations you have attributed to my posts.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Im not sure what Im more surprised by, your lack of reading comprehension or that fact that you keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

Originally Posted by alandail

how do you get windows 7 onto a netbook that doesn't have a CD drive?

Originally Posted by melgross

Anything that "computes" is a computer. A calculator is called that because it doesn't compute, it calculates. There's a big difference. Look it up.

Originally Posted by alandail

And how do you install new releases of the OS on the many netbooks that ship without a CD drive?

Originally Posted by mstone

My car has several computers under the hood and none of them let me surf the internet. To upgrade the software I have drive over to the dealership and they hook it up to their computer. Many computers are designed for specific tasks, kind of like the iPad. It is design to be used in specific ways. It can't do everything that a desktop computer can do, but yes, it is still a computer.

Originally Posted by melgross

It uses a computer cpu, though a very simple one. Whether it's a computer is debatable. My microwave does similar things, but its not a computer. It's not really computing.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Maybe you ment to say right now they have 100% of the Tablet market?

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

IIRC from my computer science classes from years of yore, a computer is defined as a CPU + storage + input/output. If it's go those characteristics, it's a computer. Religious definitions not required.

Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

Then cell phones, MP3 players, and a lot of devices and appliances count. Sure, they're all computers, but the line must be drawn somewhere for reporting purposes like this.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Then my typo wasn't nearly as stupid as your previous comment.

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

Reporting purposes such as what? The article relates to the sales of a specific subcategory of computers knowns as PCs, not to "computers" broadly. Perhaps the posters here who object to the iPad being called a "computer" are really objecting to it being called a "personal computer." Hard to say, but I'd challenge that assertion too.

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

Reporting purposes such as what? The article relates to the sales of a specific subcategory of computers knowns as PCs, not to "computers" broadly. Perhaps the posters here who object to the iPad being called a "computer" are really objecting to it being called a "personal computer." Hard to say, but I'd challenge that assertion too.

Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. I neither object to nor agree with calling the iPad a "personal" computer, but if you (general you, not you specifically) want to include it in these sales graphs, then where do you stop?

To those who consider the iPad a personal computer: If size is the determining factor (because I think most people will agree that a smartphone is not a "PC"), then what size? Or is it something else?

Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. I neither object to nor agree with calling the iPad a "personal" computer, but if you (general you, not you specifically) want to include it in these sales graphs, then where do you stop?

To those who consider the iPad a personal computer: If size is the determining factor (because I think most people will agree that a smartphone is not a "PC"), then what size? Or is it something else?

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

What I take away from the success of the iPad is that these categories are are rapidly becoming irrelevant, and high time it is too. Lest we forget, the entire "PC" category is arbitrary, named and defined by a hardware platform developed by IBM nearly thirty years ago. How much should such an ancient technology definition matter today?