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post #41 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:24am
Damn, I didn't think I would get that much negative reaction. I just don't like carrying two devices.
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post #42 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:32am
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So this is how it begins...


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post #43 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:33am
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So, does this mean we will never see a CDMA iPad? What does that mean for the rumored CDMA iPhone? If Apple was planning for a CDMA iPhone, why wouldn't they also create a CDMA iPad?

If I were Verizon and were in talks with Apple for an iPhone Id certainly try to get a CDMA/EV-DO iPad thrown into the deal. its not as if its a touch build for Apple, even relatively speaking.
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post #44 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:36am
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Wow! I can understand AT&T selling iPads that work on their network, but Im surprised that Verizon would sell WiFi iPads to promote their MiFi products. Just how big is this iPad thing anyway?

Perhaps the tentative first steps towards the two companies playing nice together?
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post #45 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:37am
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Damn, I didn't think I would get that much negative reaction. I just don't like carrying two devices.

You're on a website largely populated by gadget-crazed pubescent boys. They think the more gadgets, the better.
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post #46 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:38am
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5 devices will only chew up your data usage that much faster. Verizon will be happy, so will 4 of your cheapest friends.

HA! True! It's an option, though. And hopefully a foundation for an iPhone.

I haven't once gotten close to the 5 GB allowed on my Pre as a MH. That is with some sharing, as well as work when our network goes down (but the VPN is up).

Well, that and my 24 character passcode for it....
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post #47 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:38am
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Perhaps the tentative first steps towards the two companies playing nice together?

I think that is a distinct possibility.
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post #48 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:42am
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Verizon solution does not include an iPad with a GPS chip (it is not the 3G model). Also, that MiFi can only last 4 hours.

When pressing on the location button, the iPad uses the mifi to accurately find where you are, just like a gps. Also the WiFi iPad's follow you on the road just like a gps, after you have connected on a wireless network. So in turn, the mifi can be used as your gps, and the ipad wifi itself, after connected wirelessly and located, and leave that wireless network the blue dot on the map will follow you. I dont know how it works, but it does because it works on mine. and also my 2g iTouch...
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post #49 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

Ugh. Ok, we get it - Steve Jobs wants to associate the words 'iPad' and 'magic' together at every opportunity. A year from now this will have all the cachet of glitter rainbow posters.

Apple, please find a different way to describe this product.

How about "always delightful and wonderfully mine"?
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post #50 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:48am
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While you are focusing on Verizon only, you do see the same exact issue on AT&T, right? Not to mention AT&T's $15 plan is 250 MB.

Just bought a virgin mobile mifi. 149 at best buy and 40 dollars unlimited and no long-term contracts - use it for a month and not the next. Uses sprint network though and does not support roaming.
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post #51 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by FurbiesAndBeans View Post

The MiFi isn't iPad-only. With that you can connect your laptop, ipod touch, ipad, and whoever else you might wanna connect (up to 5).

Plus, one big key the article misses is the data plans for Verizon
$20 for 1GB
$35 for 3GB
$50 for 5GB

I'm looking on Verizon's site...where do you see those plan rates? I've been considering the Verizon MiFi to use either with an iPad or iPod touch, but the prices have always been prohibitive?

I'd also be curious to know if these special prices would include the use of the MiFi with any wi-fi device? There are ways to restrict its use to only the iPad they sell you (by MAC address would be one way).

If buying an iPad from Verizon gets you these special MiFi rates, and you can still use it with other devices, that's a win.

Even more interesting is Verizon selling the 3G model! I wonder, once Verizon starts rolling out LTE (which I assume uses SIM cards?), could I put one of their SIM in an iPad?

EDIT: I see you provided a link in a later post. Interestingly, the first time I clicked on the FAQ button on the Verizon page, I got a different, much shorter, FAQ list.
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post #52 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by iPad999 View Post

When pressing on the location button, the iPad uses the mifi to accurately find where you are, just like a gps. Also the WiFi iPad's follow you on the road just like a gps, after you have connected on a wireless network. So in turn, the mifi can be used as your gps, and the ipad wifi itself, after connected wirelessly and located, and leave that wireless network the blue dot on the map will follow you. I dont know how it works, but it does because it works on mine. and also my 2g iTouch...

I don't think Cell Tower triangulation gets you anything close to a GPS chip. I have a Wifi only iPad.....it doesn't compare to my iPhone (or an iPad with GPS).
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post #53 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I think that is a distinct possibility.

it's more than a possibility, it's a certainty. Apple had to agree to let Verizon sell the iPad, they aren't doing that if they aren't going to sell the iPhone soon. I expect to see the verizon iPhone and iPad soon. i.e. an iPad that doesn't require a myfi.
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post #54 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:53am
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I don't think Cell Tower triangulation gets you anything close to a GPS chip. I have a Wifi only iPad.....it doesn't compare to my iPhone (or an iPad with GPS).

Well yes, it is not a consistent location but im just saying it's something. Do you know why the iPad WIFI will sometimes triangulate itself when you are looking at maps while driving in the vehicle with no wifi internet connection? Mine has done is about a dozen times now.
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post #55 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:54am
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I think that is a misprint. I don't see any evidence on the Verizon site they are selling the 3G model.

Actually, the FAQ states they are only selling the WiFi, and not the WiFi+3G

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/ipad_faq.jsp

Then that makes more sense one would think .. at least until Apple - Verizon really get their act together (if they do).
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post #56 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:56am
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I'm looking on Verizon's site...where do you see those plan rates? I've been considering the Verizon MiFi to use either with an iPad or iPod touch, but the prices have always been prohibitive?

I'd also be curious to know if these special prices would include the use of the MiFi with any wi-fi device? There are ways to restrict its use to only the iPad they sell you (by MAC address would be one way).

If buying an iPad from Verizon gets you these special MiFi rates, and you can still use it with other devices, that's a win.

Even more interesting is Verizon selling the 3G model! I wonder, once Verizon starts rolling out LTE (which I assume uses SIM cards?), could I put one of their SIM in an iPad?

EDIT: I see you provided a link in a later post. Interestingly, the first time I clicked on the FAQ button on the Verizon page, I got a different, much shorter, FAQ list.

You CAN use the MiFi with up to 5 devices. No, they aren't selling a 3G iPad. They're bundling the MiFi with the Wifi-only iPad at the same price as the 3G iPad. People who buy this bundle will be able to have a month-to-month contract for data just like AT&Ts.
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post #57 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Wow! I can understand AT&T selling iPads that work on their network, but Im surprised that Verizon would sell WiFi iPads to promote their MiFi products. Just how big is this iPad thing anyway?

Aren't there some estimates of 50 million iPads per year floating around? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

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post #58 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:58am
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Aren't there some estimates of 50 million iPads per year floating around? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

And we ain't see nothin' yet!
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post #59 of 126
10/14/10 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by FurbiesAndBeans View Post

You CAN use the MiFi with up to 5 devices. No, they aren't selling a 3G iPad. They're bundling the MiFi with the Wifi-only iPad at the same price as the 3G iPad. People who buy this bundle will be able to have a month-to-month contract for data just like AT&Ts.

Month-month is nice. Kind of unfortunate for us whom already posses a MiFi device though... Plus the pricing is nice. I would definitely downgrade my MiFi plan if I could ASAP
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post #60 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:02am
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Verizon is going to automatically scoop up a ton of cash for the data plans because no one is going to be able to stay below 1gig a month. I investigated that mifi deal last winter for home use because i just moved and no friggen internet co would do an install in late november. I found that i would have quickly and easliy maxed out the 5gig in no time and at least at that time if you maxed out you would be out of data until the next month. I thought to myself that is nuts to get one if i run out. Shoot, i almost use a gig on the iPhone and there isnt even any files being transfered due to the fact that it isnt a computer that can send attachements other than the occassional photo sent to someone. Big deal if up to 5 other devices can get on the network, it will only mean running out of data quicker and before the end of the months plan.

Verizon is going to get a bunch of sheep in on the mifi thing and those good folks are going to slide into complacency when they get used to the fact that they are paying an additional $50 month.

Yup that's the plan. This is why where I am I switched to a telco that just throttles the speed when you go over your data for 3G on iPhone or iPad. I cannot stand extra charges nor worrying each time I use the Internet about how much data I'm using. Defeats the whole point of portable Internetz.

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I'm looking on Verizon's site...where do you see those plan rates? I've been considering the Verizon MiFi to use either with an iPad or iPod touch, but the prices have always been prohibitive?

I'd also be curious to know if these special prices would include the use of the MiFi with any wi-fi device? There are ways to restrict its use to only the iPad they sell you (by MAC address would be one way).

If buying an iPad from Verizon gets you these special MiFi rates, and you can still use it with other devices, that's a win.

Even more interesting is Verizon selling the 3G model! I wonder, once Verizon starts rolling out LTE (which I assume uses SIM cards?), could I put one of their SIM in an iPad?

EDIT: I see you provided a link in a later post. Interestingly, the first time I clicked on the FAQ button on the Verizon page, I got a different, much shorter, FAQ list.

I don't think the MiFi would restrict access to any particular device. It's just that the promo bundle sells you the MiFi and gives you a certain rate if you get the iPad.
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post #61 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:04am
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And we ain't see nothin' yet!

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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich;

Aren't there some estimates of 50 million iPads per year floating around? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

That's just about 4 million iPads per month to be sold globally... 50 million could be the minimum of what they will sell in 2011.
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post #62 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:07am
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Damn, I didn't think I would get that much negative reaction. I just don't like carrying two devices.

No problem, I don't like it as well, that's why I got an iPad 3G.

I just think the Verizon option is reasonable for people that prefer Verizon over ATT for whatever reason. More carriers is usually a good thing.
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post #63 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by FurbiesAndBeans View Post

Here's the link in case someone's wondering:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/ipad.jsp

That link will barely load, the server is so hammered. If this is any indication of how Verizon's network can handle the demand, it is just the announcement, what's going to happen when they get the actual device.

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post #64 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

More choice is good, Verizon solution bad.

AT&T: For $629, I get the 3G+ WiFi model with a GPS Chip and free access to over 20,000 wireless hotspots.

Verizon: For $629, I only get the Wifi model (no GPS!) and I need to carry around a second device that only has a 4 hour capacity. No GPS, no free Wireless Hotspots. No thanks.

Verizon does have a Wireless Hotspot network, although it's not as extensive as ATT's.

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When pressing on the location button, the iPad uses the mifi to accurately find where you are, just like a gps. Also the WiFi iPad's follow you on the road just like a gps, after you have connected on a wireless network. So in turn, the mifi can be used as your gps, and the ipad wifi itself, after connected wirelessly and located, and leave that wireless network the blue dot on the map will follow you. I dont know how it works, but it does because it works on mine. and also my 2g iTouch...

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Well yes, it is not a consistent location but im just saying it's something. Do you know why the iPad WIFI will sometimes triangulate itself when you are looking at maps while driving in the vehicle with no wifi internet connection? Mine has done is about a dozen times now.

Here is what I think is happening... although your iPad may not have a wi-fi connection, it can still detect wi-fi routers in the area. It then uses that information and via your MiFi 3G connection to the internet, it looks up your approximate location using the Skyhook database Apple has licensed (I think they still use that service?).

I doubt very much that the MiFi device is passing geolocation information to your iPad.
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post #65 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:09am
Well, for all the people who wish they had bough AAPL "back then," it looks like this is going to be one of those windows! The iPad is bigger than the analysts are guessing-- and this is proof positive. Verizon offering competitive pricing is also pretty telling... possibly a very real affirmation of the Verizon iPhone...

I'm surprised the stock hasn't seen a 2-3% gain on this alone.
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post #66 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:27am
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Wow! I can understand AT&T selling iPads that work on their network, but Im surprised that Verizon would sell WiFi iPads to promote their MiFi products. Just how big is this iPad thing anyway?

About 10 inches, measured diagonally

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post #67 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:29am
Proof positive that Verizon is switching to GSM! Woohoo! CDMA is dead, along with Qualcomm!

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10/14/10 at 8:29am
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About 10 inches, measured diagonally

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10/14/10 at 8:32am
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Proof positive that Verizon is switching to GSM! Woohoo! CDMA is dead, along with Qualcomm!

They arent adding GSM but they are adding 3GPP technologies, which Qualcomm has patents in. Qualcomm has certainly lost the stranglehold they wanted, not unlike the way Apple lost their fight for FireWire over Intels USB, but they are still a player and I see no sign of them going away anytime soon.
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post #70 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Verizon does have a Wireless Hotspot network, although it's not as extensive as ATT's.





Here is what I think is happening... although your iPad may not have a wi-fi connection, it can still detect wi-fi routers in the area. It then uses that information and via your MiFi 3G connection to the internet, it looks up your approximate location using the Skyhook database Apple has licensed (I think they still use that service?).

I doubt very much that the MiFi device is passing geolocation information to your iPad.


No. This is in the middle of nowhere when it happens, and i also turn the WiFi connection off under settings, and i dont have the mifi with me either. I can show screen shots that i have taken. it is very odd and i've been wondering why it happens. It literally uses something other than wifi to connect to "somthing" dont know if it is gps or not, but it is definitely able to follow around with the blue dot. It is not a moving blue dot but like every 10 seconds or so, the blue dot moves down the road..
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post #71 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:34am
Verizon and mifi... I don't know, IMO doesn't sound right if CDMA versions are coming out soon, but I don't run multibillion dollar companies.

Gosh darn it, when will the iphone be able to wirelessly tether data to a wifi ipad???
Lttle things like this are sure 'nice to haves' and great selling poi... oh, ipads are selling well. Well... they would sell more then well.

And me to, would like to have GPS chips in ipods and ipad(wifi)... oh... see previous.. darn.
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post #72 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by starbird73 View Post

While you are focusing on Verizon only, you do see the same exact issue on AT&T, right? Not to mention AT&T's $15 plan is 250 MB.

Admittedly i had not investigated that pricing, i was only speaking of my experience with the Verizon Mifi gadget and data plan.

At some point i believe we will be hooking up hard drive to the ipad and moving files like we do with computers, much like a gateway drug.
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post #73 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:44am
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Verizon is going to automatically scoop up a ton of cash for the data plans because no one is going to be able to stay below 1gig a month.

For the intended use, it is pretty much. I use my iPad a lot, and this month was the first time I went over my 250GB limit with 8 days on the road. If used for its intended function, the MiFi is not that bad on cost. If you use it as a home DSL replacement... of course you are going to be paying more money!
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post #74 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:48am
I believe this spells both the beginning of the Verizon iPhone and the end of unlimited data plans for Verizon. Both were expected eventually.
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post #75 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:50am
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For the intended use, it is pretty much. I use my iPad a lot, and this month was the first time I went over my 250GB limit with 8 days on the road. If used for its intended function, the MiFi is not that bad on cost. If you use it as a home DSL replacement... of course you are going to be paying more money!

How fast is Verizon's network? Obviously it may be different in my neck of the woods, but I'm sick of my wired ISP and I'm shopping around.
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post #76 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:50am
The iPad on Verizon is not the story.. It's the fact that Apple and Verizon are working together that's the big story. No one is even reporting and noticed that Apple and AT&T announced that the iPad will be sold on AT&T Stores Oct 28, the same day Verizon will start selling iPads.
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post #77 of 126
10/14/10 at 8:52am
This is the closest Steve Jobs has come to saying there will be a Verizon iPhone. Why doesn't he just come out and confirm the rumors? I know what I'll be getting with my Christmas bonus. What luck that my Verizon contract comes due in December.
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10/14/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis View Post

How fast is Verizon's network? Obviously it may be different in my neck of the woods, but I'm sick of my wired ISP and I'm shopping around.

Verizon is impressively fast. From Speed Tests ran on my ipad/computer it gets around 2MB/s, Max. depending on area and, or towers used. Obviously better speeds in bigger cities.
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10/14/10 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

The iPad on Verizon is not the story.. It's the fact that Apple and Verizon are working together that's the big story. No one is even reporting and noticed that Apple and AT&T announced that the iPad will be sold on AT&T Stores Oct 28, the same day Verizon will start selling iPads.

Every article I see states both AT&T and Verizon.....not sure what you are looking at.
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post #80 of 126
10/14/10 at 9:10am
How do I activate/deactivate the service?

Does Verizon charge reactivation fees?

Can activation/deactivation be done thru the iPad? Or do I need yet another device to activate it?

Can I charge this MiFi device from the iPad?....or do I need to worry about recharging each time?

With a 4 hour battery life, is there an easy way to turn it off?.....is there an audible reminder that it is still on?
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