US Fundie Charity Bribing Addicts to be Sterilised in UK

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Some questions:

1) Why should he never be a father? Who told him this? Is it true? Why should he not be one - and why can he not be helped to get his life back on track?

2) Why should Fundamentalist Xian Organizations be allowed to operate internationally under the guise of charities to spread their agenda?

3) Is the agenda itself not something which is unacceptable in the 21st century? Basically it is a form of Eugenics.

Is this not more evidence of a frightening return to the far-right ideology becoming acceptable to the masses? That the dark spectre which haunts Europe has returned?

Thoughts?

Another thing about it is the amount paid to those who accept the sterilization: 200 GBP.

This is nothing. It's patronising and demeaning.

Also it focusses on the poor. There are plenty of drug-takers who do not need 200 - not all drug-takers are poor....in fact most Cocaine and Heroin users I've known have been very wealthy.

So this is targeted at a certain class also. It has nothing to do with drug-users in a universal sense as it is class-based and hence it is not true that it is trying to help anyone at all.

They do alcoholics too.


Clients???

This is their Website - pretty shocking stuff.....

In the unlikely event that did happen - I believe John is one of the social underclass and unlikely to be Right-Wing enough for me to attack him - I can't see why you'd find it problematic.

After all, by your own logic, you're free to set up a knife-removal service.

This doesn't make sense.... you claim that the outcome is not important from my pov yet later in your post you claim I would be 'all for' something if it delivered a specific outcome.

It's illogical.


So I DO care about outcomes????


This makes no sense.

Clearly the reasoning of this person paying the addicts is the same position as the anti-abortionists which she is undoubtedly a subscriber to.

But it raises a key point - albeit unwittingly; it seems that these people only REALLY care, perhaps wrong word, let's say 'focus', only really focus on the baby.

I believe this is because, to them, in some warped fundie-thinking, the baby is somehow 'an innocent'. That is to say not like the scumbag mother who had sex or the sinning junkie destined to hell.

They don't care about real people at all. A baby is a blank canvas which they can project their beliefs onto and quite possibly mold or brainwash....but the mother, the destitute reduced to drugs, the raped teenager......they can go to hell. Literally they hope.


You speak truth for once. A similar experiment of 'stopping undesirable outcomes' was tried before last century I believe.

But the point is not 'where it is stopped' at all. It is why do some people think they have the right to stop things and impose their will on others who just want to live their lives?

It's a question you'd be better placed to answer than me but I'm not holding my breath...


It's about choices Trumpy.....you just don't get that do you?

It's odd but it's always the Right who champion choice and yet always the Right who try to curtail it.


Actually no. Because one is random and the result of a choice - a choice you may not wish to allow but a choice nonetheless - and the other is not a choice but someone imposing their beliefs on another person.

It is also class-based.

If not then why not pay the equivalent to rich junkies on a sliding scale? Fiar enough - 200 to John but what about Tabitha Hortense Ponsonby-Smythe - 200 is lunch to her..... put your money where your mouth is and pay her what the Right usually would argue she is worth.

Bankers in the City - they can snort enough Charlie of a lunchtime to sink the Bismarck and their bonuses buy more than a £10 bag...how about doshing them out £250,000 to do it.

Won't happen.

Because it's class based.

It's not about drugs, addiction or dependency.

It's about preying on the weak and downtrodden of society as a precursor to 'saving their souls' or getting brownie points with the Man Upstairs.

I would argue it was.

A need was created by his life circumstances and this 'solution' arose to 'fill the need'.

But that need was created.


How many reasons do you want?

Because they spread lies, illogic and irrationality?

Because they do not care about the 'victim' but only 'spreading the word'?

Because they are dragging us back to the dark age?

Because they are invariably Right-wing political bigots who sow disharmony and strife?


Nope.


Can't answer that...it's not something I would do....if it's something you would do you should answer.


Wrong.

It is a thin edge of a wedge.


Don't know what Planned Parenthood is. If the Left are Progressives does that make the Right Regressives?


You seem to have very limited experience....that's kind of sad.


I don't know any Left-wing thinkers who would subscribe to that - but that's because it's essentially a Right-wing ideology - and as such is, in some way, inhumane and lacking compassion.

Difficult to say what you are gleaning from my post so cannot say.

As to my actual meaning it was definitely intentional.

You said this:


To which I answered that I could not form a judgement as I did not know what the organization referred to is and not being prone to making sweeping value-laden judgements.

Seems pretty clear.

Then you say this:


To which I reply that if that is all you know of progressives then your experience must be limited.

Somehow at some indeterminate point after this you found some inextricable link between these two statements....

Seems odd.

We'll miss you but we'll try to soldier on.

It's going to be tough and the intellectual levels of the dialectic are going to take a massive hit but we'll get try to over it. We just need time....a lot of time...