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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

I actually think Jobs' message is on the right track, however his delivery made him look a little unhinged!

Did anyone get the feeling that Jobs actually misses having Microsoft as a competitor? No doubt he still believes they have no taste, but I think he at least understood them.

Compare this to Google, where I don't think he can work out why people are buying Android phones and that seems to, lets just say, "annoy" him.

I don't think his delivery was "unhinged". You're not hearing the actual conversation.

Also, I don't think Steve thinks that Microsoft is an actual competitor anymore. I think they came to a whole new level when they 'realized' they were a mobile devices company. Then they started to make leaps and bounds. The "halo" effect is just a positive for Apple, for obvious reasons, and they are using that to their best advantage.

MS is no longer a competitor in their "proclaimed" market. They found their train of thought and they are going with it.

....and for me it all started with free songs on a Coke bottle cap....
post #122 of 181
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Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.

Steve said what he said because he can't help himself. It's the way he's built by his own reckoning and its very much at the core of everything Apple. Sometimes it comes across as bitchy but to stop it would be counterproductive because it is what makes him what he is.

Here is a very illuminating piece of writing on SJ called Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos meet "Ginger" which goes a long way to illustrate the kind of person SJ is. It has been posted here before I know but it is always worth a second read.
post #123 of 181
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Again, not quite true..

I had an iPhone app that had several tabs and drill downs where the user could enter or modify data.

Until iOS 4 I was able to save state with the following in the appropriate ViewControllers:

Code:

- (void)viewWillDisappearBOOL)animated {
[super viewWillDisappear:animated];
if(DEBUG) MLogString(@"viewWillDisappear: ");
[(id)[[UIApplication sharedApplication] delegate] performSelectorOnMainThread:@selector(saveQuote) withObject:nil waitUntilDone:YES];



With iOS4 i had to add the following because the viewWillDisappear callback is not triggered when an app is suspended (home button single press)

I had to add the following to the appDelegate to save state in iOS 4 and above when a task is suspended):

Code:


- (void)applicationDidEnterBackgroundUIApplication *)application {
if(DEBUG) MLogString(@"applicationDidEnterBackground: |%@|", [self dateInFormat:@"%Y-%m-%d-%H:%M:%S"]);
[self saveQuote];
}




No big deal... once I figured out what was[n't] happening.

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Yes that was similar to the problem I had. If your view perform some things before they disappear on pre 4.0 then they will not work after 4.0 because the app will not terminate and the viewWillDisappear will not be called. I actually had to do some modifications to my apps to get it working correctly. However, everything in the view will not be lost because iOS will keep it in the memory. It will will only be lost if iOS decided to terminate it because it needs the memory for another app. This is why it is important to call your usual viewWillDisappear stuff in applicationDidEnterBackground.
post #124 of 181
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Originally Posted by MOEW View Post

Samsung makes their "A4". I don't think you knew that.

Jobs becoming vocal like this only proves that he's VERY worried about other competition. To use words like "fragmentation" over and over again makes me laugh at him, when developers in his marketplace are already fragmented and frustrated.

Jobs v2.0 will be on his way out again soon. At this rate, it shouldn't take very long.


The apple stock is at $318 per share, he has contributed to the growth of the company, more than any other CEO (to any company) in history and because he makes a few MAYBE ill-advised comments, you think he will soon leave or be kicked out of Apple.
I nominate your comments as "I do not know what I am talking about, so I talk crap' award for 2010, 2011 and 2012. Yeah your comments deserve the life time non-achievement award for 'I wish had not made those comments'
post #125 of 181
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post

The apple stock is at $318 per share, he has contributed to the growth of the company, more than any other CEO (to any company) in history and because he makes a few MAYBE ill-advised comments, you think he will soon leave or be kicked out of Apple.
I nominate your comments as "I do not know what I am talking about, so I talk crap' award for 2010, 2011 and 2012. Yeah your comments deserve the life time non-achievement award for 'I wish had not made those comments'

ahhh MOEW ;-)

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post #126 of 181
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I think a lot of people interpret Steve's tone of whining with a slightly defensive stance. Apple is constantly bombarded with people who think the products they offer are over priced for no reason. "I can get a dell with the same specs for half the price" is what I hear ALL day long... I can only imagine what Steve hears.

I think if you take what has happened in recent days (dinner with Mark Z., seen walking around and having lunch with Eric S.) I think you'll put the pieces together and realize that while Apple is in competition with these people, he still has a repore with them.

I just keep in mind that while Apple are considered premium devices, there is a whole eco-system that you buy into if you are wiling. One that allows you to let go and enjoy the ride with little fear things will go wrong and great confidence that you'll be safe on that ride.

I've noticed that people who get Androide based phones are happy with them. But if I asked would they have gotten the iPhone given the chance, 100% of them said yes. Most are on VZ some are on Sprint, it's just not there, but if it was, they would have bought one.

VZ is going to get the iPhone soon, and that my friends is going to be one hell of a crazy day. I might just hang out around the Apple store just to see the MASSES come out to finally get what they have been waiting for.

My prediction...... Take all the people who came out for AT&T/iPhone Day One launches and times it by three and that's what you'll get on the VZ/iPhone Day One launch. It's gonna be a site to see.

Not true. I would not have bought an Iphone instead even if it was cheaper.
post #127 of 181
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Originally Posted by rtdunham View Post

I agree. I thought it was embarrassing. I've always admired people who build themselves up by doing well, not by tearing others down. It seemed unnecessary and uncharacteristic, like a teenager awkwardly telling the girl he wants to like him what's wrong with all the other boys in the class.

I think some observers are gonna wonder what's going on with him. Maybe I've got it wrong.

On a different note, about iPad sales missing predictions: Steve says he thinks that with that product, the company "has a tiger by the tail". So I'm not real concerned about it.

I assume he's talking to investors/analysts? In this situation you have to address such things or else you're being negligent. They would want to know why everyone is makIng small tablets and you're not. He was acting appropriately for the situation
post #128 of 181
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OK - I knew about all of these except for the battery chemistry. Does anyone know where I can find out more about this? I had assumed Apple was getting custom form factor batteries, but was surprised to hear they're customizing the chemistry.

I think what he meant by "battery chemistry" was no flash!
post #129 of 181
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yep! Those are the ones!

How did you find that image-- AIR only 3 copies of the glasses were made (and no, Jobs didn't get one).

Looks like someone had them on eBay at one time.
30 pair were made.

http://homepage.mac.com/cliff_huston...s/Glasses.html
post #130 of 181
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Originally Posted by MOEW View Post

Samsung makes their "A4". I don't think you knew that.

Jobs becoming vocal like this only proves that he's VERY worried about other competition. To use words like "fragmentation" over and over again makes me laugh at him, when developers in his marketplace are already fragmented and frustrated.

Jobs v2.0 will be on his way out again soon. At this rate, it shouldn't take very long.

Competiton to Apple is 500 makers of the same effing product priced dirt a** cheap and whose customer service is nothing but an extended warranty at Best Buy.
Android phones are selling well but the Android phone market is composed of many competiting players.
post #131 of 181
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

Samsung can't sell the A4 to anyone but Apple as the A4 was created and designed by Apple, Samsung only manufactures the A4 under contract for Apple.

Well, how about making a product at all that generates the kind of profits apple is getting from it's iOS devices? (edit: directed at MEOW)
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post #132 of 181
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

He's not setting the record straight. It's marketing. And marketing has little to do with setting the record straight. It's about giving the appearance that Apple has the correct solutions for everything. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Even Apple occasionally makes mis-steps.


That's true, but can you name any computer company CEO in the world that wouldn't give their left nut to be where Apple is right now? Not only that, but consumer response tells me, at least, that Apple does, indeed, have the correct solution, more often than not.
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post #133 of 181
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I assume he's talking to investors/analysts? In this situation you have to address such things or else you're being negligent. They would want to know why everyone is makIng small tablets and you're not. He was acting appropriately for the situation

The better question is why is everyone else not making 9-10" tablets?
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post #134 of 181
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Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.

Every time he talks about Android, he seems to be coming unhinged.
post #135 of 181
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Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

Every time he talks about Android, he seems to be coming unhinged.

The entirety of Google's board must be unhinged, going by their developer's conference earlier this year - taking swipes at Apple all the way through.
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post #136 of 181
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

I actually think Jobs' message is on the right track, however his delivery made him look a little unhinged!

Did anyone get the feeling that Jobs actually misses having Microsoft as a competitor? No doubt he still believes they have no taste, but I think he at least understood them.

Compare this to Google, where I don't think he can work out why people are buying Android phones and that seems to, lets just say, "annoy" him.

"unhinged!" I love it. I'm going to use it the next time my GF gets weird!

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post #137 of 181
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Originally Posted by jasenj1 View Post

Perhaps because he's genuinely excited and surprised at Apple's success. Jobs is very much a "do the best you can and be the best and you'll do well" kind of person. He pours himself into Apple's products and expects the same from Apple's employees. I'm sure he expects success, but the level of success Apple has had is amazing and overwhelming.

Steve also still shows genuine amazement at where technology has come. This is the guy who helped assemble Apple Is in a garage by hand. And now they are the second most valuable company in the world!?

He may not be a Woz-level engineer, but he is a real tech-fanboy.

- Jasen.

Very well said.
post #138 of 181
Jobs speaks passionately because...guess what...he's not just some suit who's in it for the money! He's actually passionate about Apple! DUH!!!

You might disagree with him, and in 50% of occasions, I do, but you have to recognize that the guy is not an idiot like Ballmer.
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post #139 of 181
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Here's a better picture.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yep! Those are the ones!

How did you find that image-- AIR only 3 copies of the glasses were made (and no, Jobs didn't get one).

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Looks like someone had them on eBay at one time.
30 pair were made.

http://homepage.mac.com/cliff_huston...s/Glasses.html



Most people, likely, are not interested... but it is a nice story:

Ken Silverman's fiancee was an optician and so knew people in the "industry". Woz, through Ken and his fiancee arranged to have these made. I believe the original run was 3 pairs -- they were incredibly difficult to make and very expensive. While optically correct, they were hardly functioning sunglasses. They were fragile and it was very distracting to look at the world through multi-color-striped lenses. They were a more of a work of art.

Woz may have had additional pairs made in later runs.


Ken's fiancee was in her late 30's, but had terminal cancer and they married so Ken could raise her two young children.

That, last, was one of the most inspiring memories of Silicon Valley in the early 1980s.

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post #140 of 181
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Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.

He's EDUCATING the dumb ass's like you who don't know the facts!!
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One things for sure, Steve Jobs deserves credit as one of the greatest innovators, marketers and visionary of our times.
post #142 of 181
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Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.

LOL. And you are in a position to bitch about Steve because...?

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post #143 of 181
I think it's important to understand the context that any of Steve's comments are made. This was all said during annual financial reportings, and these are answers to peoples questions. What makes each one of Steve's responses brillaint, isn't that he's comforting every consumer on the market. He is in fact, reassuring investors that Apple understands the market, and has a very tangible plan and philosophy in dominating this market. Investors can see this confidence, and feel good about it. To that end, Steve nailed this interview.

As far as satsifying customers and the general public alike, we'll have to wait for wednesday's event for that.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I'm sick of saying this already, but everyone is just not noticing how senseless his remarks are. Jobs is saying 7" tablets are not viable because they are too small to have a good UI, but the iPhone is smaller and has a good UI. It's just not a sensible argument.

That is because the iPhone has a different UI to the iPad.

Think before you speak!
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I think it's important to understand the context that any of Steve's comments are made. This was all said during annual financial reportings, and these are answers to peoples questions. What makes each one of Steve's responses brillaint, isn't that he's comforting every consumer on the market. He is in fact, reassuring investors that Apple understands the market, and has a very tangible plan and philosophy in dominating this market. Investors can see this confidence, and feel good about it. To that end, Steve nailed this interview.

As far as satsifying customers and the general public alike, we'll have to wait for wednesday's event for that.

I first, "saw" the earnings call via ARS live blog. I was a little surprised and disappointed when I read what was posted-- it did "sound" a little whiney and the blogger called it Steve's rant.

Later I listened to the earnings call. Here are my impressions.

I have seen/heard Steve give presentations to audiences from 30 people to thousands of people -- including the 1984 Mac introduction at Flint Center.

Steve's keynotes/presentations are usually given before a group of highly-technical and [mostly] adoring fans.

This was different!

What I heard in Steve's voice was not whining or bitching. What I heard was Steve making a presentation to audience he was unsure of -- an audience he could not even see.

Steve has made brief comments before similar audiences -- but usually it was "announce a few successes" and let the "numbers" speak for themselves.

In this particular presentation (and the Q&A is a planned part of the presentation), Steve wanted to educate and convince an audience that he could neither see, nor identify with.

Since this is is an Earnings Call and he is a CEO, Steve had to be careful of what he said and how he said it.

It appeared that Steve was reading his presentation -- significantly different from his normal mode of presentation -- from memory, cued by notes.

Steve was trying to demo the difference between a 10" tablet and a 7" tablet over the phone -- to an audience that couldn't see him. He had to verbally paint the "picture" for the audience who couldn't look at the "big screen".

His comment about using sandpaper to sand down your fingers to be able touch the smaller controls (on a screen 45% as large as the iPad screen)-- was an illustration, a joke that fell flat (at a keynote, this would have brought screams from the audience).

I think that Steve was frustrated that he had to do it at all -- that he had to explain what should be obvius to all but the casual observer.


With all of these disadvantages, it appeared that Steve wanted to convince the investment community that:
-- Apple has done their homework
-- Apple understands the Marketplace
-- Apple understands the Device's (iDevices) technical capabilities
-- Apple understands the Competition
-- Apple understands their Customers
-- Apple knows what they are doing
-- Apple has taken the best approach - For Apple, For Apple Investors, For their Customers - for the short and long term

I think that Steve did a very good job -- maybe the best that could be done, under the circumstances.

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post #146 of 181
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Steve, you're running the second largest company in the world, you really don't need to bitch like this.

I thought it was some good candour. He's not the Dalai Lama or the Second Coming or what not. Just good for him to let it rip. Better out than in.

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Missing from the call - any mention of the 'Halo effect'. I suppose it's just too obvious at this point. Clearly - the halo is big and bright.

The 'Halo effect' is now almost hard to quantify - we've got iPhones flying out the door, iPads selling more than Macs in about only half a year of operation. Think about that. iPads are only available in 26 countries and they outsold all Macs sold globally. It's just one synergistic "thing". Everything halo effects everything else.

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I'm sick of saying this already, but everyone is just not noticing how senseless his remarks are. Jobs is saying 7" tablets are not viable because they are too small to have a good UI, but the iPhone is smaller and has a good UI. It's just not a sensible argument.

Well, he said a tablet interface on 7" is not useable. The iPhone is smaller and has a smartphone UI. The iPad is much bigger and has a tablet UI. The 7" is no-mans-land, that's what he's trying to say. Too big for a smartphone interface/ form-factor, yet too small for tablet interfacing. We'll see how the market does. Never underestimate the demand for crapulent gadgetry.

In other news, yay my iPad will not look so outdated (hopefully) when iPad 2 comes out.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I first, "saw" the earnings call via ARS live blog. I was a little surprised and disappointed when I read what was posted-- it did "sound" a little whiney and the blogger called it Steve's rant.

Later I listened to the earnings call. Here are my impressions.

I have seen/heard Steve give presentations to audiences from 30 people to thousands of people -- including the 1984 Mac introduction at Flint Center.

Steve's keynotes/presentations are usually given before a group of highly-technical and [mostly] adoring fans.

This was different!

What I heard in Steve's voice was not whining or bitching. What I heard was Steve making a presentation to audience he was unsure of -- an audience he could not even see.

[And other good points]

I liked the tone. The reporting is going to be all screwed up in the traditional and online media. You just gotta listen to the conference call yourself, peoples. It was more mature and not as mollycoddling as with his keynotes, which are really quite mass-appeal kind of things. This one was him sitting down, and like, let's get down to business, this is what I really think. I mean openly criticising Google and RIM and tablet competitors, it was pretty awesome actually. And finally, he let us know why they're keeping over $50 billion in cash - acquisition opportunities... Hmm Adobe? LOL
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Does this mean that iPhones and iPod touches are unusable?

Come on guys, you know he's referring to tablet UIs. Phones have phone UIs.
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I liked the tone. The reporting is going to be all screwed up in the traditional and online media. You just gotta listen to the conference call yourself, peoples. It was more mature and not as mollycoddling as with his keynotes, which are really quite mass-appeal kind of things. This one was him sitting down, and like, let's get down to business, this is what I really think. I mean openly criticising Google and RIM and tablet competitors, it was pretty awesome actually. And finally, he let us know why they're keeping over $50 billion in cash - acquisition opportunities... Hmm Adobe? LOL

Think of Steve Jobs (Apple) negotiating or sparring with the likes of Adobe:

Do you think it has any effect on negotiations when both parties know that one of them could easily buy the other for cash?... and doesn't!

What does that do to your self esteem?

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post #150 of 181
I dont know jack sh*t, but were I to recommend an acquisition target to Apple, would recommend Akamei.

Dont know if they are for sale, though.

Apple can use their expertise for the cloud.
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Agreed, but if you listened, his tone was very whiny when talking about the 7" form and the google problem of oem's doing proprietary things to android.

He is correct of course, but the tone was whiny.
At the ATD interview he sounded like a guru ... here he was whining.

Being correct is a matter of interpretation. Obviously, the millions of people who have bought HTC, Moto, and Samsung Android devices don't really "care" about the OEM proprietary issue. They have more CHOICES with Android, and that's what will sell devices. This will continue even more with Gingerbread Android 3.0. Jobs wouldn't even discuss Android if he didn't think iPhone was reaching its peak. Android is a very real and serious threat to iPhone's rise.

Up next.....Google will now state that they're activating X number of Android devices!

Isn't competition just great for us?
post #152 of 181
I didn't see this posted yet. Did anyone see the Reuters story where the writer is apparently on crack?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...S+%2F+Top+News)

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Apple Inc CEO Steve Jobs went on the offensive on Monday after a rare disappointment in sales by the iPad maker sent its shares tumbling, but even his biting words failed to reverse market sentiment.

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Gross margins fell short of target as iPads, whose profit margin is lower than it is for iPhones, made up a larger proportion of Apple's sales. Investors had expected more from a company that had smashed Wall Street's targets in each of the past eight quarters.

The last one is the worst, because it makes it seem like Apple sold more iPads than iPhones.
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post #153 of 181
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I first, "saw" the earnings call via ARS live blog. I was a little surprised and disappointed when I read what was posted-- it did "sound" a little whiney and the blogger called it Steve's rant.

Later I listened to the earnings call. Here are my impressions.

I have seen/heard Steve give presentations to audiences from 30 people to thousands of people -- including the 1984 Mac introduction at Flint Center.

Steve's keynotes/presentations are usually given before a group of highly-technical and [mostly] adoring fans.

This was different!

What I heard in Steve's voice was not whining or bitching. What I heard was Steve making a presentation to audience he was unsure of -- an audience he could not even see.

Steve has made brief comments before similar audiences -- but usually it was "announce a few successes" and let the "numbers" speak for themselves.

In this particular presentation (and the Q&A is a planned part of the presentation), Steve wanted to educate and convince an audience that he could neither see, nor identify with.

Since this is is an Earnings Call and he is a CEO, Steve had to be careful of what he said and how he said it.

It appeared that Steve was reading his presentation -- significantly different from his normal mode of presentation -- from memory, cued by notes.

Steve was trying to demo the difference between a 10" tablet and a 7" tablet over the phone -- to an audience that couldn't see him. He had to verbally paint the "picture" for the audience who couldn't look at the "big screen".

His comment about using sandpaper to sand down your fingers to be able touch the smaller controls (on a screen 45% as large as the iPad screen)-- was an illustration, a joke that fell flat (at a keynote, this would have brought screams from the audience).

I think that Steve was frustrated that he had to do it at all -- that he had to explain what should be obvius to all but the casual observer.


With all of these disadvantages, it appeared that Steve wanted to convince the investment community that:
-- Apple has done their homework
-- Apple understands the Marketplace
-- Apple understands the Device's (iDevices) technical capabilities
-- Apple understands the Competition
-- Apple understands their Customers
-- Apple knows what they are doing
-- Apple has taken the best approach - For Apple, For Apple Investors, For their Customers - for the short and long term

I think that Steve did a very good job -- maybe the best that could be done, under the circumstances.

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I too listened to the Conference call. First in transit, and after perusing through this forum, twice more since.

I agree with you Dick. Steve was not whining or bitching. I would, in fact, contend that such a description did not fill the definition, i.e., complain, whine, grumble, grouse; informal whinge, moan, grouch, gripe.

Such a definition would be accurate if the quarter had been disastrous and Steve was attempting to counter the lies that have been perpetrated by Apple's competition and/or the typical trolls that infest here.

This was Steve setting the record straight. Much like he did with the iPhone 4 antenna issues. Competition and the troll like here have been dissing Apple in an effort to protect their domains and interests respectively. To their chagrin, Steve is not taking it anymore. What he said was true. Not the loads of crap or conjectures professed here.

By the way, has anybody noted that Steve was right, again. Amazing that over 11 thousand iPhone 4's later, and not a whisper. And after the launch of the so-called iPad killers, and their quick demise, another dearth of silence will arise. Thank God.

It is also interesting to note that with many of you, Steve can do no right. That you were probably of the same make up of idiots that chastized him for stopping to take part in financial conference calls a few years back.

And like Howard Beale, I am sure that Steve and many of us now are saying, "I'm as mad as hell,. and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"
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I didn't see this posted yet. Did anyone see the Reuters story where the writer is apparently on crack?

The last one is the worst, because it makes it seem like Apple sold more iPads than iPhones.

I watched the TODAY show with breakfast this morning. The financial talking head came on and talked about disappointing earnings from Apple. WHAT!? Record quarter. Supply constrained on the iPhone & iPad, i.e. selling as fast as they can make them. How could that possibly be disappointing?

Oh, well, you know, gross margins were down 5%. Investors are very concerned about these eroding margins.

It just strengthened my belief that you should believe less than half of what you hear on the news. Anytime I personally know the facts of a story, the reporters get it mostly wrong.

- Jasen.
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Originally Posted by jasenj1 View Post

I watched the TODAY show with breakfast this morning. The financial talking head came on and talked about disappointing earnings from Apple. WHAT!? Record quarter. Supply constrained on the iPhone & iPad, i.e. selling as fast as they can make them. How could that possibly be disappointing?

Oh, well, you know, gross margins were down 5%. Investors are very concerned about these eroding margins.

It just strengthened my belief that you should believe less than half of what you hear on the news. Anytime I personally know the facts of a story, the reporters get it mostly wrong.

- Jasen.

Yup, much like the news that the iPhone 4 was doomed and people were abandoning it in droves because of the antenna issues, and that Apple would be forced (if they haven't already) to recall the product.

Isn't it more clear now than ever that the Fed, Wall Street and the Newsmedia have just no f**ing idea whatsoever what is really going on. It's all air and whim and fancy with a bit of soundbites thrown in and numbers pulled out of rear ends or selectively plucked from the vine.
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I'm sorry but that appearance and the digs at competitors just smacked of desperation. Especially when he was purposefully deceptive (comparing iOS device stats with Android phone stats) or speaking for others when he had no clue what he was talking about (like his comments which were outright refuted by Tweetdeck).

I don't get the point of this kind of behaviour. Be happy with your company's accomplishments. They are phenomenal after all. Brag about them and move on. For however much Steve Jobs is a brilliant chap, crap like this just makes him look desperate and worried about the competition.
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

I'm sorry but that appearance and the digs at competitors just smacked of desperation. Especially when he was purposefully deceptive (comparing iOS device stats with Android phone stats) or speaking for others when he had no clue what he was talking about (like his comments which were outright refuted by Tweetdeck).

I don't get the point of this kind of behaviour. Be happy with your company's accomplishments. They are phenomenal after all. Brag about them and move on. For however much Steve Jobs is a brilliant chap, crap like this just makes him look desperate and worried about the competition.

Hmm... Apple, desperate after their best quarter ever, and it's not even a holiday quarter. I think not.

Steve ain't perfect but all the media and hype is all about how Android is the best thing since sliced bread. This was an investor event and it was fitting for someone to defend their position and even fire a few shots across the bows of the competitors. If he's not right about Tweetdeck and Android fragmentation then that should be called out as incorrect. But desperate, probably not. Aggressive, yes. Possibly sounding like a dick? No less than other corporate executives.
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Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

Every time he talks about Android, he seems to be coming unhinged.

Receall that Google devoted an entire conference (Every main stage presentation) to bashing Apple. Maybe Steve should grow up, or maybe he should enjoy the opportunity to gloat as they are kicking the crap out of Google and the 20 or 30 manufacturers competing against them with Googles software.

14.1 million is a big FU to all of them. The 4.8b (or whatever the exact number was) is an even bigger one.
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

I didn't see this posted yet. Did anyone see the Reuters story where the writer is apparently on crack?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...S+%2F+Top+News)





The last one is the worst, because it makes it seem like Apple sold more iPads than iPhones.


Keep in mind you are quoting a financial reporter that knows as much about investing as a 6th grader. He actually believes activity in the after hours market means something. A bunch of smart guys fleeced a bunch of sheep who believed a load of hype.
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Originally Posted by Cascadians View Post

Listened, Steve is awesome, on a very articulate brilliant roll! Very enthusiastic, precise, well thought out, clear as a bell. What a Titan! All cylinders firing like a rocket!

+1 > Hard to think of anyone more competitive than Steve. He's the Wilt Chamberlain of Silicon Valley!
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