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An unconfirmed source says Mac OS X 10.7 will incorporate a number of iOS interface elements, such as scroll bars and scrolling behavior, a new report claims.

A "reliable source familiar with the matter" has leaked details of the upcoming OS, claiming that "iOS influence is visible in the new OS user interface," according to a MacStories report. However, the report remains unverified, as MacStories has no track record with insider information.

"Apple took some elements from iOS and applied them to OS X, trying to blend everything nicely," the report suggests. The biggest change is that Mac OS X 10.7 will reportedly abandon its current Aqua scroll bars in favor of the "more minimal look" of iOS scroll bars and scrolling behavior. The scroll bars may also adopt "rubber band" elastic scrolling from iOS devices and a native "pull to refresh" feature. Author Federico Viticci is unsure whether the new scrolling features will be turned on by default.

According to the source, the Mac OS X QuickLook technology may receive an overhaul as well. Instead of translucent black, the QuickLook UI in 10.7 will be white and include support for popovers in the Spotlight menu, wrote Viticci.

Mac OS X 10.7 has been highly anticipated, with some pundits speculating that it will add a "Touch" layer. In July, an Apple job listing for a software engineer hinted at a "revolutionary" new feature for the next-generation operating system, which has been given the internal code-name "Barolo," a well-known Italian wine.

Apple's "Back to the Mac" event on Wednesday, Oct. 20 at 10:00 am Pacific time will most likely provide details on Mac OS X 10.7, which has been dubbed "Lion." In addition to a preview of the next version of OS X, Apple plans to release an 11.6-inch MacBook Air, AppleInsider has learned. iLife and iWork are due for a revamp and may also be part of Wednesday's event.


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However, the rumor remains unverified, as MacStories has no track record with insider information.

aren't rumors inherently unverified?
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looking forward to the upcoming Keynote.
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Meanwhile 7 seems to have accomplished the task of duplicating XP without so many problems as Vista.
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It's a no brainer that OS X will borrow from iOS and vice versa. Apple will do whatever is necessary for the best user experience and also drag consumers into realms they couldn't even imagine.
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When you think about it, apple's aqua scroll bars in 10.6 are WAY out of place. Their days are numbered, no doubt about it.
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So this confirms that 10.7 is Lion then, look at the "Back to the Mac" image they have.
If they update the MacBook Pros significantly, I might just cry.
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It will be interesting how they incorporate touch into a future OS for the Mac. I hope it is done right though. And what about backward compatibility? With older Macs? I know they have the magic trackpad, but right now even that and the gestures seem almost gimmick-like. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the future of MacOS. Mostly looking forward to a new iLife and iWork!!!
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It's a no brainer that OS X will borrow from iOS and vice versa. Apple will do whatever is necessary for the best user experience and also drag consumers into realms they couldn't even imagine.

Thank you that. I can't wait for the 20th. I hate windows with a passion.
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Sounds true. It's not a big deal.

I'm hoping for more important new features, like decent mouse tracking software. And I mean decent by Apple's standards.

And a way to e-mail quickly, like you can on iOS. There's no reason in the world that Mac OS X can't bring me into composing an e-mail as fast, or even faster than iOS. And while I'm on the subject, where's Mac OS X's unified notification system? Growl is one of the messiest things I've ever encountered, but I'm convinced it only gets used because Apple's version of it doesn't exist. And why is it so messy installing apps, or deleting apps? For Apple these things could be way cleaner, quicker and simpler.
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OSX and iOS will merge eventually.. Maybe a couple years.. After 10.7 perhaps..
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aren't rumors inherently unverified?

Steve squashed the 7" iPad notion. At this point I don't believe anyone about anything....will just get some popcorn and wait for the show.
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I don't know about dropping the scrollbars. They serve a purpose just by being visible. They indicate how much of the entire document is visible in the window, although I'm sure the world has moved past such things and most consumers wouldn't even have known that. And scrollbars allow you to jump to specific section of the document with a single click. Image doing the same thing using iOS's approach.... pull.... pull.... pull.... stop.... go back a bit.... They'd have to enhance the iOS scrollbars somewhat to make them more "productivity friendly".
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I love the layout of Mail, Calendar, Contacts and Notes on the iPad and prefer it to the Mac's. It would be nice if Mac OS X gets a similar layout for them in Lion.

I want a surprise Mac Mini update, I wanna get one but the current specs (Core 2 Duo) are putting me off. I want a core i3 update.

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"Mac OS X 10.7 to adopt iOS interface elements

In other news, The Sun is expected to rise tomorrow and water will be continue to be wet.


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OSX and iOS will merge eventually.. Maybe a couple years.. After 10.7 perhaps..

No they wont. For them to merge into one OS would mean that the version that comes installed on a Mac would also run on any iDevice. This simply wont happen. Mac OS will get aspects of iOS that people are familiar with and have been made more efficient from when it was required for the port from Mac OS, like the QuickTime X framework, but they will be separate OSes.

Actually, Take QuickTime X in SL. The interface were rewritten for Mac OS. There are similar aspects and they use the same underlying core technologies, but its still a very different app.
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It will be interesting how they incorporate touch into a future OS for the Mac.

It's not going to happen. Don't fool yourself. Touch is great for certain things, but for productivity the mouse is still KING. And it will remain that way. How do I know this? Because Apple's non-touch Mac computers are way more productive than any of their touch products. Why? Because that's the way they were meant to be. iPads are great for business, but not for "work". There's a big difference there. It's appears subtle, but it's major. iPads make businesses work way better than they did, but the real work happens on Macs and PCs.

I see iPad-type computers eventually replacing Apple laptops, but I don't see them replacing Apple desktops. Desktops are the work-horses. Laptops only sold so well because there was no other portable computers around. iPads will fill that niche. And as they become more powerful that will only become more obvious. Desktops however will remain where the majority of work gets done. I envision a future where every house will have a large desktop computer and every faming member will have touch computer for more personal computing. The desktop will be where the kids or the parent goes to "work". Build stuff, make stuff, design stuff, do stuff, as opposed to learning, updating or consuming.
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'The biggest change is that Mac OS X 10.7 will reportedly abandon its current
Aqua scroll bars in favor of the "more minimal look" of iOS scroll bars and scrolling behavior.'

Not a moment too soon. Getting really tired of the Gummi Worm look. I would much prefer
the iTunes / iPhoto matte-finish look, with the silver/gray icons. The GUI should get out
of the way of the user experience. No need for excessive decoration or "excitement."

This is why iOS is so good. It doesn't draw attention to itself. It gets out of the way
as soon as it can.

Now, as to when Finder will disappear from Mac OS, maybe it will be an option by the
Mac OS 11 timeframe, say about 2013. You know how there are iMacs and Mac Pros,
MacBooks and MacBook Pros? Well how about a Mac OS and Mac OS Pro? And only
the Pro version has the Finder...

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internal code-name "Barolo," a well-known Italian wine.

A wine? I guess it's an OS trend. Vista's code name was "Night Train Express".
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Getting really tired of the Gummi Worm look.

Being there two years ago, gave up since. Not soon enough is right. Still, these are not really "features". There are not meaty enough for me.
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When Snow Leopard was released they said it was all about laying the foundations for future OS updates. Presumably 10.7 is that future. I didn't expect to see it any time soon and have no idea what they're going to show on Wednesday. Even if some of the old rumours are true, like a replacement for Aqua, they won't necessarily show it. I expect it to be heavily influenced by iOS though. There might be something to this rumour about scrollbars. Perhaps 10.7 is designed for multitouch trackpads rather than mice. Perhaps that's why they released the magic trackpad. It would make sense since current UIs were designed for an input device (the mouse) that is no longer used by the majority of users (who have notebooks).
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When Snow Leopard was released they said it was all about laying the foundations for future OS updates. Presumably 10.7 is that future. I didn't expect to see it any time soon and have no idea what they're going to show on Wednesday. Even if some of the old rumours are true, like a replacement for Aqua, they won't necessarily show it. I expect it to be heavily influenced by iOS though. There might be something to this rumour about scrollbars. Perhaps 10.7 is designed for multitouch trackpads rather than mice. Perhaps that's why they released the magic trackpad. It would make sense since current UIs were designed for an input device (the mouse) that is no longer used by the majority of users (who have notebooks).

I don't get this. The mouse is more productive than the trackpad. It just is. It's more accurate, and more definitely more quickly.
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So this confirms that 10.7 is Lion then, look at the "Back to the Mac" image they have.
If they update the MacBook Pros significantly, I might just cry.

Quit reading into that image. It's just a fucking lion and and Apple logo.
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RE: The scrollbars

Think about this - look just like the iOS scrollbars and they fade out a second after the mouse stops moving.
If you want them back, scroll, move the mouse, hit a key.
Simple.
They get out of the way when you don't need to see them.
Sounds great to me.
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Meanwhile 7 seems to have accomplished the task of duplicating XP without so many problems as Vista.

It didn't duplicate XP - it's slower.
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Now, as to when Finder will disappear from Mac OS, maybe it will be an option by the
Mac OS 11 timeframe, say about 2013. You know how there are iMacs and Mac Pros,
MacBooks and MacBook Pros? Well how about a Mac OS and Mac OS Pro? And only
the Pro version has the Finder...

Mac OS Pro?

How about Mac OS Starter, Mac OS Home Basic, Mac OS Home Premium, Mac OS Professional and Mac OS Enterprise and Mac OS Ultimate?

It's not Apple's way of doing things. This is so Microsoft.
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It didn't duplicate XP - it's slower.

Ooops ... sorry to over claim for it.
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Quit reading into that image. It's just a fucking lion and and Apple logo.

Except for the fact that every time Apple has a graphic for an invitation, it actually means something. Lighten up Francis.
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RE: The scrollbars

Think about this - look just like the iOS scrollbars and they fade out a second after the mouse stops moving.
If you want them back, scroll, move the mouse, hit a key.
Simple.
They get out of the way when you don't need to see them.
Sounds great to me.

Actually, that's the first thing I thought about and it sounds like a bad thing. I don't think they'll disappear. Makes sense on a tablet or a phone, not so much on a Mac.
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OSX and iOS will merge eventually.. Maybe a couple years.. After 10.7 perhaps..

No question about it. It can be done. It's the same under the hood. it's just the messy human interface parts that need to co-exist. If we could just get rid of the crappy users, it would be easier, but no, Apple insists on backwards compatibility. I swear, they're becoming like MS!

Seriously though, i'm sure it will be done, though we'll see it a bit here.

I believe that Apple wants one OS for everything. Not impossible. Not all features have to be expressed all the time. Like modal menus, what appears is what's needed.
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Ooops ... sorry to over claim for it.

It is better than XP though. It's just slower to startup, mainly. Apple could learn a couple of things from 7 actually. For example, their contextual option to make a photo your desktop image is first, in OS X it's down bottom. That makes no sense. And 7 has better mouse-tracking software. Most everything else OS excels at, however.
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Actually, that's the first thing I thought about and it sounds like a bad thing. I don't think they'll disappear. Makes sense on a tablet or a phone, not so much on a Mac.

I think it sounds great, but would like them to not appear at all but have some delimiter that you arent at the end of the window. I cant recall the last time I used scroll bars on Safari or Mail or pretty much any other app. Two finger scrolling all the way!
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Except for the fact that every time Apple has a graphic for an invitation, it actually means something. Lighten up Francis.

Yeah, that iPad splashy-paint graphic meant a whole lot. I'm not angry at all, I just typed the work fuck. Big deal.

The Apple logo is there because it's Apple. The title of the invitation says it all: Back to the Mac. It's a play on the movie title: Back to the Future, and it means Apple are getting back to talking about the Mac. And the Lion means: Mac OS X 10.7 Lion. Happy?

The issue I have is when people over-analyse the friggin' thing. Let's wait a see. Expect new MacBook Airs. Expect demos and talk and a whole lot of marketing for 10.7, and expect Steve to have put on a couple pounds, or not.
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I don't get this. The mouse is more productive than the trackpad. It just is. It's more accurate, and more definitely more quickly.

True, but I can imagine that over time with improvements in the hardware and software one could match the accuracy and speed of a mouse with a track pad. In the end the same process occurs, the movement of an object, be it a mouse or a finger, is moving an on screen curser. In both cases the brain has to learn to judge the motion on screen which is in a different visual plane and disassociated physically with the hand movements. This is a complex procedure we are not even conscious of till it goes wrong most times. I can see a stylus being a nice addition to a future OS for fine, on screen selections where finger gestures do the bulk of the manipulation as it would be used directly on the required point on the screen. I see all these options being good to keep and no reason to make any redundant.
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No they wont. For them to merge into one OS would mean that the version that comes installed on a Mac would also run on any iDevice. This simply wont happen. Mac OS will get aspects of iOS that people are familiar with and have been made more efficient from when it was required for the port from Mac OS, like the QuickTime X framework, but they will be separate OSes.

Actually, Take QuickTime X in SL. The interface were rewritten for Mac OS. There are similar aspects and they use the same underlying core technologies, but its still a very different app.

Oh, I disagree!

i'm sure it will happen. I don't see a problem either. That doesn't mean that the programming will be easy, but it can be done. We're mostly talking about UI. Everything else is hidden from the user to some extent.

As portable devices get more powerful, as they get higher resolution, as they get more memory, they will be able to handle more powerful OS's. I see no reason why Apple can't make their OS know what device it's on, and display the UI needed for that. That's easy.

If you take an iMac, and slide it down, touch could expand to take over more of the UI than it had in a vertical position. If you have a keyboard, it could continue to use that, if not, then one would appear on the screen. If yu choose not to use it that way, you could touch a spot, and it would go back to a mostly mouse oriented UI, with a few useful touch elements still active. You could even choose what in the preferences.

I can see so many ways this would work.
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True, but I can imagine that over time with improvements in the hardware and software one could match the accuracy and speed of a mouse with a track pad.

I don't see it.
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I think it sounds great, but would like them to not appear at all but have some delimiter that you arent at the end of the window. I cant recall the last time I used scroll bars on Safari or Mail or pretty much any other app. Two finger scrolling all the way!

No way, José.
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Except for the fact that every time Apple has a graphic for an invitation, it actually means something. Lighten up Francis.

Who's Francis?
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Oh, I disagree!

i'm sure it will happen. I don't see a problem either. That doesn't mean that the programming will be easy, but it can be done. We're mostly talking about UI. Everything else is hidden from the user to some extent.

As portable devices get more powerful, as they get higher resolution, as they get more memory, they will be able to handle more powerful OS's. I see no reason why Apple can't make their OS know what device it's on, and display the UI needed for that. That's easy.

If you take an iMac, and slide it down, touch could expand to take over more of the UI than it had in a vertical position. If you have a keyboard, it could continue to use that, if not, then one would appear on the screen. If yu choose not to use it that way, you could touch a spot, and it would go back to a mostly mouse oriented UI, with a few useful touch elements still active. You could even choose what in the preferences.

I can see so many ways this would work.

There is a big difference between sharing some higher-level code and using the same foundation, and making them into one unified OS. Its simply not going not happen.
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Who's Francis?

Whos José?
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I don't see it.

There is some humorous irony for me in this discussion. I was trying to convince graphic artists they could use a mouse way back at the launch if Illustrator. They laughingly referred to it as 'drawing with a brick'.
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