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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

True... but how many permutations vs 100 x 244 (adding different CPUs, OpenGL and different GPUs).

And how many small developers can afford to buy 244 handsets (and their contracts)... then iteratively test them across 100 Android OS Versions (and OEM Skins) for every app.

That, my friend is daunting!

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And why they have to buy 244 handsets?
post #202 of 219
Change your app's name to TwitterDeck. Not that big of a deal.





(http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...big-of-a-deal/
in case you were wondering what I'm referring to)
post #203 of 219
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Given that is true, why isn't Apple the number one phone maker? Why isn't iOS the number one seller currently?

By profit, it is. By a huge margin.
Which cellphone manufacturer do think *is* number one?

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post #204 of 219
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

DEVELOPERS BEHOLD!!! .....the OPEN Android Architecture.


Just make sure your apps will run on this list of every modded ROM and custom UI of Android.

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I'm trying to decide between the VanillaEclair 4.0 and the Donut SlimFast v1.0 M003

You guys...ummm...do realize that most of these custom ROMs are based off of the vanilla Android 2.1/2.2 right? If you write a program for 2.1/2.2, then chances are good that these custom ROMs will have no issues running that app.

The same can be said of jailbroken iPhones. Do developers need to target each and every one of those jailbroken iPhones to run their app? If it's for a specific function that requires a jailbroken iPhone, then yes. Otherwise, all normal apps run just fine.
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post #205 of 219
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

3 times.
1) Steve's missive on Flash. He was dead on, and it put Adobe completely on their asses defending the indefensible.

And yet for all his ranting Apple blinked and completely backpedaled: their bizarre restrictions on which languages programmers can use has been tossed out, and now CS5 can be used to develop Flash-based apps for iOS.

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2) The antenna conference. Again, put the others on the defensive as they suddenly had to defend their own clay feet.

Ultimately Apple admitted it was a real problem and addressed it with hardware and software changes.

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3) Calling the emperor on his clothes by pointing out that 'open' is a ruse, and making the competitors post silly and hypocritical 'rebuttals'.

Steve's constant reference "open" is merely a distraction; Google talks less about it than Jobs does. In reality, iOS growth rate has peaked or by some metrics begun to fall back, while Andoid's surged over the same six-month period by 886%. It's not about being "open", but being more open than completely closed and fully at the whims of one individual is apparently attractive to a great many developers, and in turn that has helped attract customers.

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Best defense is a good offense. Go Steve.

The man is just high on his recovery drugs, others blinded by Stockholm Syndrome. Analysts are beginning to take note.
post #206 of 219
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And yet for all his ranting Apple blinked and completely backpedaled: their bizarre restrictions on which languages programmers can use has been tossed out, and now CS5 can be used to develop Flash-based apps for iOS.

Thats like saying that Apple reversed their decision to include an app instead of actually planning it all along. Perhaps you need to learn how intelligent people and companies conduct themselves, by creating solid foundations and building upon that.

Dont be the kid that takes one Karate class at the local Y and thinks hes Bruce Lee for the next two weeks. Learn your limitations and build off your strengths without spreading yourself thin or you might just end up bitter and angry at world or Apple (or wait, too late).
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post #207 of 219
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Thats like saying that Apple reversed their decision to include an app instead of actually planning it all along.

The rest of your post was just more senseless personal attacks, but at least this tidbit was midly interesting: So you're suggesting that Apple never intended to block Flash development for iOS, and the whole Section 3.3.1 debacle was some clever ruse?

Interesting....
post #208 of 219
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

And why they have to buy 244 handsets?

That's my question too. Wouldn't the emulator catch a majority of the software bugs?
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post #209 of 219
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

And yet for all his ranting Apple blinked and completely backpedaled: their bizarre restrictions on which languages programmers can use has been tossed out, and now CS5 can be used to develop Flash-based apps for iOS.


Ultimately Apple admitted it was a real problem and addressed it with hardware and software changes.


Steve's constant reference "open" is merely a distraction; Google talks less about it than Jobs does. In reality, iOS growth rate has peaked or by some metrics begun to fall back, while Andoid's surged over the same six-month period by 886%. It's not about being "open", but being more open than completely closed and fully at the whims of one individual is apparently attractive to a great many developers, and in turn that has helped attract customers.


The man is just high on his recovery drugs, others blinded by Stockholm Syndrome. Analysts are beginning to take note.

What a bunch of bitter drivel. I feel sorry for you, no everyone else around you. It must suck to be in the same room with someone that works so hard to turn everything into a negative.

I really like how you spin a 92% increase quarter over quarter, the largest increase ever, including previous holiday quarter increases as being a growth rate that has "peaked or by some metrics begun to fall back". How an ever increasing slope looks like its flattening must mean you have discovered some new properties of mathematics! You'll be famous!
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post #210 of 219
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You guys...ummm...do realize that most of these custom ROMs are based off of the vanilla Android 2.1/2.2 right? If you write a program for 2.1/2.2, then chances are good that these custom ROMs will have no issues running that app.

That's the problem -- based on -- not they are the same.

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The same can be said of jailbroken iPhones. Do developers need to target each and every one of those jailbroken iPhones to run their app? If it's for a specific function that requires a jailbroken iPhone, then yes. Otherwise, all normal apps run just fine.

Give credit to the jailbreakers, the only muddled with the parts of the ROM they had to, the rest is still the same. Not any guarantee of that with different handset makers, and quite a bit of evidence that they ARE muddling about with them breaking seamless compatibility.
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post #211 of 219
People still play Angry Birds?

Been there, done that, hey what's it like with Ads added?

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Originally Posted by phoebetech View Post

I don't know about you but Angry Birds works just fine on my Vibrant and the 2 million downloads means that it works many handsets. I guess Apple is working with a limited skillset which is why they find it (Android) so difficult.
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post #212 of 219
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Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

I don't use Twitter or any social networking application. So I can't comment on the Twitter app. What I can comment on however is that my two Android apps have moved from 1.1 to 2.2 very easily and work the same on every single Android phone I have used. And it's the same app that works on all versions of Android - not one for each version or device. I have a difficult time taking any developer saying that there is fragmentation on Android seriously. Incidentally, I also tested my apps on the emulator with the Samsung Tab's resolution and it worked like a champ there as well.

You have 2 apps... and moved them from one Android version to another...

Don't mean to be flippant, but what does that prove?


We have 497 apps across:

2 iPads @ iOS 4.2 Beta 3
1 iPhone 4 @ iOS 4.2 Beta 3
1 iPhone 3GS @ iOS 4.1
1 iPhone 3G @ iOS 4.1
3 iPhone (Day 1) at iOS 3.1.3

Except for a few apps that are device, feature or OS release-specific -- all apps run on all devices.

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post #213 of 219
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People still play Angry Birds?

Been there, done that, hey what's it like with Ads added?

Don't you think it is a bit backward to be hassling people for just getting Angry Birds when the Mac community is going crazy with just getting Steam and the Orange Box games now?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Except for a few apps that are device, feature or OS release-specific -- all apps run on all devices.

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Can you understand that is exactly the same on Android?
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

Can you understand that is exactly the same on Android?

No, no its not. Did iOS v3.0 come out on an iPhone after iOS v4.0? Nada. Did the iPhone 3G get released after the iPhone 4? No. Did the iPhone 3G with a 600MHz ARM11 get released after the 3GS with a Cortex-A8 CPU? Newp. Each HW and iOS revision is linear, not lateral with multiple fallbacks making it more difficult and cumbersome for consumers and developers.

Its really pretty simple. Next Summer iOS v5.0 will have more features than iOS v4.0. It will be installable on the iPhone 5, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, having 3 full years of OS updates and support. Not all features of iOS v5.0 will be available on all models and sane users will understand that their 1yo+ or 2yo+ device may not get a feature that relays on the newer HW the newer device to run properly. Additionally, sane iPod Touch users understand that an app that needs HW that their device doesnt have wont work.

Again, its a linear progression of the HW and OS, not a Mandelbrot Set.
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post #216 of 219
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No, no its not. Did iOS v3.0 come out on an iPhone after iOS v4.0? Nada. Did the iPhone 3G get released after the iPhone 4? No. Did the iPhone 3G with a 600MHz ARM11 get released after the 3GS with a Cortex-A8 CPU? Newp. Each HW and iOS revision is linear, not lateral with multiple fallbacks making it more difficult and cumbersome for consumers and developers.

Its really pretty simple. Next Summer iOS v5.0 will have more features than iOS v4.0. It will be installable on the iPhone 5, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, having 3 full years of OS updates and support. Not all features of iOS v5.0 will be available on all models and sane users will understand that their 1yo+ or 2yo+ device may not get a feature that relays on the newer HW the newer device to run properly. Additionally, sane iPod Touch users understand that an app that needs HW that their device doesnt have wont work.

Again, its a linear progression of the HW and OS, not a Mandelbrot Set.



Can you tell me what all you have said has anything to do with I'm saying?
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So why can't I use Fring on a SonyEricsson X10?

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Can you understand that is exactly the same on Android?
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post #218 of 219
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That's the problem -- based on -- not they are the same.

You seem to understand what I mean, but yet you don't. From what I understand, when the new Android OS source is posted by Google, the custom ROM devs download it and use that as the base to build their ROMs from. The "outside" parts might be different from ROM to ROM, but the core OS is still intact. The evidence of this is that you can see the exact same apps in the Market as you can if you were running a device you just pulled out of a box.

Only the very vague custom ROMs will muddle with the core Android OS. Most of those are used for experimentation anyway, so mainstream compatibility isn't an issue.

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Give credit to the jailbreakers, the only muddled with the parts of the ROM they had to, the rest is still the same. Not any guarantee of that with different handset makers, and quite a bit of evidence that they ARE muddling about with them breaking seamless compatibility.

I do give the jailbreaker devs their credit for being able to bring the customization to iOS that it lacks. This is no different than what Android custom ROM devs do.
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post #219 of 219
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People still play Angry Birds?

Been there, done that, hey what's it like with Ads added?

The ads don't interfere with the game as much as you want to make it out to. The only place ads show up is for about 5 seconds when the level first starts (when you're getting a view of the pigs' fortress). It then disappears for the rest of the gameplay until the next level or if you restart it.
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