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Originally Posted by emacs72 View Post


it's far too premature to dismiss the RIM PlayBook because it hasn't yet been given a chance in the marketplace. i suspect by mid/late 2012 we'll know of sure whether RIM made a miscalculation is the PlayBook.

but it's not too premature to hype it up and refer to it as an actual competitor when it doesn't even exist?

Premature is rim talking about their experience in the tablet market and what the consumer buys
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"For those of us who live outside of Apple's distortion field, we know that 7-inch tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience,"


We'll see how right he is come 2011. Particularly what happens when the rumors of what ipad 2.0 looks like start up

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If by "better" you mean more meaningless long checklists of features, sure.

If by "better" you mean a superior and well integrated user experience, your wrong - other companies fall short. And it's not just me - look at Apple's market cap which is a direct reflection of the agreement with their philosophies.

I submit the reason that people like you are scratching your head is your in the minority, and you are focused on things that matter to a very small minority of people. A minority that is also online and hang out in forums like this and tend to be represented out of proportion with reality since most "normal people" wouldn't be hanging out in forums like this talking about very "inside baseball" subjects like, well, this entire web site's focus.

Long feature lists matter to geeks with yardsticks. For everyone else, how a device works and accomplishes what they want is what matters more. Guess who there are more of - geeks or everyone else?



Actually part for part, Macs are very cost competitive. Most people who have a problem with Apple and price are trying to compare Mac's to cheap PC's with minimal features. Apple doesn't compete in the bargain basement space - there is no reason for them to. Just because they don't offer the equivalent of a $400 netbook doesn't mean the MacBook is overpriced It just means Apple isn't targeting your desires. Oh well - guess you will just have to buy elsewhere...

I bought by my Thinkpad T510 loaded, with discrete NVidia graphics and a 1920x180 95 gamut display for $1200CAD taxes in. Macbook pro cant touch it. There are alot of crappy cheap PC's out there but if your willing to spend a little more you can get some nice hardware.



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iTunes is very good if you use it like designed - let it manage the files and manage your content via meta data. Most people complaining about iTunes, for whatever reason, want to tend files in folders. Why? This is 2010 - let the computer do mundane file management. If you have relevant information like artist/album/title in folders instead of metadata, there are plenty of utilities out there that will help you correct that and get the information out of the file structure and into the MP3 tags where it belongs.

Once you have the proper meta data, smart folders are very powerful and iTunes works quite well. I have over 40,000 tracks - there is no practical way to manage that manually. iTunes handles it with ease.

Itunes might be great on a Mac but its borderline bloatware on a PC, 200mb download for a media player! How many services need to run in the background Apple!

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They are masters at "desperately useable" - which is directly reflected in the popularity of their products as well as their market cap.

I dont even want to touch your agrument of Market Capitalization and your elusion of value, Apple skyrockets and all of a sudden everybody works on Wall Street.



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Ha! The "solution" is to actual create products people want, not just products that have long lists of features. Pretty simple, actually - the problem is you have to be willing to either leave stuff out, or perhaps drop it to increase usability. Hard for most companies to do when there are people like you whining about "desperately average" and other such nonsense. The irony is your complaints are actually perpetuating that which you are complaining about!

"Build products that people want to buy", is a simplistic argument coined, by a consumerism movement in the North America to simply rationalize domestic business failure and wealth transfer. Your better than that, dont be a carrier for someone else's BS.

Success has alot more to it than creating products people want, its also convincing people that they want your product. Which Apple has done very succsessfully, sublimely, while leaving them with the illusion that they are still a consumer who is in control, even though their purchase was irrational.
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Microsoft didn't invest in Apple, they settled with them. Gates couldn't have "sat back and watch Apple die in 1997" - far from it since they had $1.2 billion cash on hand.

the article you mentioned very clearly states the $150 million worth in non-voting Apple shares was, in fact, an investment made by Microsoft. also, Apple purchased NeXT because the Copeland project was a bust. Apple lost around $850 million in 1996 and over one (1) billion dollars in 1997 mostly due to the friendly acquisition of NeXT.

so, how did Apple manage to have $1.2 billion in cash after such heavy losses? software sells (despite having around 5% of the home PC market) and Microsoft of course
post #205 of 345
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Originally Posted by TNSF View Post

Cost is a significant driver behind the 7" size adopted by RIM and others. Significant. I can't stress that enough.

Apple is so vertically integrated when it comes to design that they can piece together a device at an extremely competitive cost. Others wouldn't be able to produce a 9.7" tablet and be cost competitive with Apple. Instead, they've chosen to reduce the size of the device so that costs are lower and supplies of the display are more readily available. With a 7" screen RIM and Samsung can compete at a lower price point than Apple is likely willing to do with its 9.7" iPad.

Very true, except that Samsung's 7" tablet will be retailing for $1k.
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post #206 of 345
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

but it's not too premature to hype it up and refer to it as an actual competitor when it doesn't even exist?

RIM has always mentioned their future product plans (either hardware or software) months in advance.
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Your arithmetic and specsmanship don't appeal to average consumers.

and that's the main reason why average consumers buy an iPhone... they don't care about tech specs.. all they care about is the ease of useability of the phone...
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In any case, the consumer has spoken. 14 million iPhones sold. You can slice and dice that any way you like, the figure is pretty impressive.
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Success has alot more to it than creating products people want, its also convincing people that they want your product. Which Apple has done very succsessfully, sublimely, while leaving them with the illusion that they are still a consumer who is in control, even though their purchase was irrational.

Yes, it's all mind-control. And they *keep* making the same irrational purchases for no good reason.

LOL come off it. Apple gear is just plain desirable.

There is currently NOTHING out there in the same league in terms of design and usability. Nothing. Whether we're talking computers or phones or anything else. So save us the dime-store philosophy. The Matrix trilogy ended seven years ago.
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Well maybe he is right and maybe he is not, the market will decide once these devices come to the market.

Personally I own an iPhone and an iPad, I don't think I would have bought an iPad if it was 7" as I would not have seen a big enough improvement over my iPhone to justify it.

You obviously don't have my eyesight or my lack of income.

I would love to have an iPad, but because of it's large screen and bezels it will never be a go-everywhere device. I already have internet most places I go and a cell phone for in between so all I need is a 3G enabled information appliance that's small enough to take with me all the time. An iNotePad with a 6" screen would do perfectly.

Apple, however, wouldn't like that. By forcing people to choose portability or usability they've managed to sell you two iDevices. If they also offered a 6" device with many of the UI benefits of the iPad in a truly portable package maybe they'd have only sold you one.

To me the iPad is a living room device and I don't need ultra light weight or long battery life there. My wife and I looked at the iPad for her to use on the couch, but went with a used MacBook instead. It cost less and does far more including playing Flash video from Facebook that iOS devices don't. I personally hate Flash and use blockers on my Mac, but my wife would be mighty upset if she couldn't see the latest video of our kid at daycare.
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

Didn't think i needed to list them? Anyway, for anyone outside the reality distortion field....

Any SONY MP3 player is far better noise production wise than anything the iPod has ever offered. Heck even the Creative ones are better and the Zune HD is better for noise and picture..

the iPad is a lovely piece of hardware, crippled by useless production software. Browsing the web, watching a movie its Ok but if I want to do something professional, productive and compatible then I pull out a PC laptop which was half the price and will likely last twice the amount of time an Apple laptop will last (in my experience).

OSX is held up as the bastion of OS development..... but Win 7 is clearly better in nearly every way. Heck the new Ubu is better than OSX.

Any phone..as a phone is better than the iPhone, pick any manufacturer you like. iOS UI is so dated and poor now its not funny. Android just wipes the floor with it. You can set Android up so that the number of times you have to press an icon is so small it doesn't matter.

Pressing icon buttons to get to a Wifi network setting is so 2007!!!

lets not forget the TCO of iPhone too, in some places its 3 or 4 times the cost of other 3g phones.

Vertical integration always fails.....always will.

Enjoy the good times, they won't last forever

I'm getting the vibe that you don't like Apple. Its pointless arguing about what products are better than others, it's just your opinion. Why not contribute something that adds value to the debate. Or are you trying to fan the Flames?
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Originally Posted by agolongo View Post

There are alot of crappy cheap PC's out there but if your willing to spend a little more you can get some nice hardware.

Yes it's called a Mac.
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post #213 of 345
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Originally Posted by emacs72 View Post

RIM has always mentioned their future product plans (either hardware or software) months in advance.

RIM got flushed out by the Samsung Galaxy tab release and had to announce its 2011 tablet way early, even for them. they were afraid of getting lost in the Android tablet hype. but now they may find themselves associated with the 7" tablet dud thud instead.
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

Very true, except that Samsung's 7" tablet will be retailing for $1k.

probably won't cost that much in USA without a contract. we'll see. but you're right, apparently the competition cannot meet the iPad's price for a 10" screen product.

and Jobs did not mention it, but consumers hate these two year contracts, even if the up front payment is much lower. you're trapped, and you wind up paying more in the end. plus they tack on all those chicken-sh*t extra charges. that is another big issue for the coming "avalanche" of tablets, many/most of which will be telco "subsidized" deals. the a la carte AT&T data plan Apple secured for the iPad is one of its strongest competitive advantages.
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Originally Posted by agolongo View Post


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"Build products that people want to buy", is a simplistic argument coined, by a consumerism movement in the North America to simply rationalize domestic business failure and wealth transfer. Your better than that, dont be a carrier for someone else's BS.

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Right on! - Komrade!

Damn those bourgeois consumers!
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Heck the new Ubu is better than OSX.



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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

Yes it's called a Mac.

he he

Nice one Mr U
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Is that why apple's market share is so low? Why not fix that?

Low? Comparing manufacturers it's pretty high!
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

No, I'm saying for the one or two phone calls month I receive, I'd use the speaker.

I find it shocking that there are that many people who want to talk to you every month .... almost as shocking that you are pissed that Apple is not designing a cell phone that "Fits your demographic". I'm guessing that the first words you learned to say were: "I want it, I want it now".
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I'm sorry. I love Apple, but Steve's comments were unnecessary. When you're winning you should remain classy.

So let me get this straight, according to you, by inference, if you're "losing", it's OK to sling barbs and arrows at the 'winner" .... but not the reverse. I'll defer to Yogi Berra on that one .... nice guys finish last.
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Here's a summary.

Jobs says:
1. RIM will struggle to create a new software platform.
2. Half the size of an iPad is the wrong size for a tablet.

Balsillie responds by saying.
1. 7" *will* become successful.
2. People want Flash.

Hmm...

Does that strike anyone as odd?
On the second point he does not argue the benefits of the 7" form factor. He just says it "will" become successful, as if some clairvoyant has assured him of this. Okay - let's accept that.

But the first point is completely ignored by the RIM CEO.

RIM has presented a vaporware tablet, showing only renders and non-working mock ups. RIM's recent product usability has been poor. RIM claimed that they can create a breakthrough tablet device with an all-new software platform. Jobs questions their ability to deliver on that.

So does Balsillie defend their efforts?

Nope.

This article on RIM is very good and really worth a read.
http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.co...berry-and.html

It includes this awesome quote from Balsillie.

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"There's tremendous turbulence in the ecosystem, of course, in mobility. And that's sort of an obvious thing, but also there is tremendous architectural contention at play. And I'm going to really frame our mobile architectural distinction. We've taken two fundamentally different approaches in their causalness. It's a causal difference, not just nuance. It's not just a causal direction that I'm going to really articulate here -- and feel free to go as deep as you want -- it's really as fundamental as causalness."

Hmmm....

C.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

probably won't cost that much in USA without a contract. we'll see. but you're right, apparently the competition cannot meet the iPad's price for a 10" screen product.

It's been announced down here in the antipodes for A$1k. The 3G iPad ranges from A$799 to A$1049. [A1$=US$0.97]
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Here's a summary.

Jobs says:
1. RIM will struggle to create a new software platform.
2. Half the size of an iPad is the wrong size for a tablet.

Balsillie responds by saying.
1. 7" *will* become successful.
2. People want Flash.

Hmm...

Does that strike anyone as odd?
On the second point he does not argue the benefits of the 7" form factor. He just says it "will" become successful, as if some clairvoyant has assured him of this. Okay - let's accept that.

I think it will be "successful". If all the other manufacturers are only making 7" tablets because they can't compete with Apple's price points on the 9.7", then the 7" will sell to all those who, for whatever reason, don't want to buy an iPad.
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

same question right back at ya...just flip it around.

I have owned every model of iphone going back to the original right up to ip4.... until I saw the light.

I am giving my opinion based on experience of OWNING both platforms and using them for long periods of time.

your opinion is based on what...?

blind loyalty, heresay or is it that pesky distortion reality field again?

Whats your opinion about the spherical Earth and the landing on the moon?
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Originally Posted by agolongo View Post

I bought by my Thinkpad T510 loaded, with discrete NVidia graphics and a 1920x180 95 gamut display for $1200CAD taxes in. Macbook pro cant touch it. There are alot of crappy cheap PC's out there but if your willing to spend a little more you can get some nice hardware.





Itunes might be great on a Mac but its borderline bloatware on a PC, 200mb download for a media player! How many services need to run in the background Apple!



I dont even want to touch your agrument of Market Capitalization and your elusion of value, Apple skyrockets and all of a sudden everybody works on Wall Street.




"Build products that people want to buy", is a simplistic argument coined, by a consumerism movement in the North America to simply rationalize domestic business failure and wealth transfer. Your better than that, dont be a carrier for someone else's BS.

Success has alot more to it than creating products people want, its also convincing people that they want your product. Which Apple has done very succsessfully, sublimely, while leaving them with the illusion that they are still a consumer who is in control, even though their purchase was irrational.

You talk like you know what you are talking about, but you don't. No purchase is rational. Humans are not rational animals, they are rationalizing ones, and if you understand this you ll figure out your fallacious reasoning.
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Here's a summary.

Jobs says:
1. RIM will struggle to create a new software platform.
2. Half the size of an iPad is the wrong size for a tablet.

Balsillie responds by saying.
1. 7" *will* become successful.
2. People want Flash.

Hmm...

Does that strike anyone as odd?
On the second point he does not argue the benefits of the 7" form factor. He just says it "will" become successful, as if some clairvoyant has assured him of this. Okay - let's accept that.

But the first point is completely ignored by the RIM CEO.

RIM has presented a vaporware tablet, showing only renders and non-working mock ups. RIM's recent product usability has been poor. RIM claimed that they can create a breakthrough tablet device with an all-new software platform. Jobs questions their ability to deliver on that.

So does Balsillie defend their efforts?

Nope.

This article on RIM is very good and really worth a read.
http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.co...berry-and.html

It includes this awesome quote from Balsillie.



Hmmm....

C.

Lol!!!! What the hell is causalness? Does he mean causality? It's one thing to twist grammar around to pretend you have something to say, but inventing words too, pulling them straight out of one's... ahem... subconscious.
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

I'm amazed that the Droid X gets such long battery life. It has a HUGE screen. Apple could learn something about design trade-offs from it.

Hahaha... 4,3" 480x854 vs 3,5" 960x640
Lower resolution and LARGER screen vs the smaller screen and HIGHER resolution.
And the iPhone beats the Droid X in the charts.
Think logic please
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I've only used the iPad at an Apple store and to me the weight lends to the feeling of quality. But a 7" iPad would definitely have a 'cute factor' going for it that would appeal to many at 2/3 the price. I'm not sure about the issue of portability. A 7" iPad would be too big for a pocket, but it's no problem for a woman with a handbag nor a man with a man-bag or a rucksack.


Software written for OSX runs on more than three different-sized screens. I'm not a screen-res techie, but why is this fact not a problem when SJ seems to think it is with respect to iOS being available on three screen sizes?
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Lol!!!! What the hell is causalness? Does he mean causality? It's one thing to twist grammar around to pretend you have something to say, but inventing words too, pulling them straight out of one's... ahem... subconscious.

You need to practice healthnicity to experience casualness.. and exhibit athleticness...

... As they say, hoi polloi to you! (where are the mondegreens when we need them?)

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post #230 of 345
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Originally Posted by yvo84 View Post

I'm sorry. I love Apple, but Steve's comments were unnecessary. When you're winning you should remain classy.

I'm with you there. It was gratuitous in tone if not fact.
post #231 of 345
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

IPad is a device with extremely limited functionality that has to be supplemented with very expensive add ons. Be it the cellular modem or the camera connection kit. In the end iPad is one expensive kit.



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Well if you look at iPhone that advantage isn't being passed on to consummers. IPad of course doesn't have competition right now but you would have to be delusional to think it is a good buy.




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The real Apple tax is convincing people that their high prices are in actuality a bargain. Snake Oil salesman could learn a thing or two from Apple.

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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Flash is a lost cause, but I find myself agreeing about the 7" tablet. I would love to ditch the too small iPhone and the too big iPad and just use one mid-sized device. It would suit my needs better than either of the two current alternatives and I know i'm not alone. I've heard the same thing from far too many people for us all to be wrong.

I also find that Steve's remark about the sandpaper is just rude and juvenile. It's also insulting in that it makes no sense to say a 7" iPad is too small for fingers when the iPhone is even smaller. The only serious testing that's been done (admittedly before the iPad arrived) says that thumb-typing in portrait mode on the iPhone is one of the fastest methods of input available. I know from personal experience that I can type much faster on an iPhone than I can on an iPad, simply because the iPad with it's gigantic side bezels is just too large to effectively thumb type on at all.

For those of us that want a small, efficient portable computer but don't necessarily need a phone, or a TV watching machine, a 7" tablet is the sweet spot. RIM's tablet will no doubt be a gigantic piece of junk and the Galaxy Tab is looking to be a loser as well, so Steve is right when he says these devices will likely fail in the market, but being very, very disingenuous when he implies this will be due to some quintessential problem with screen real estate.

I have a lot of iPhone apps with more buttons in the menu bar and much smaller targets for my fingers than Pages or Numbers on the iPad and they work very well indeed. IMO Mr. Jobs is out and out lying about some of this stuff and it's really quite apparent this time that he is. Perhaps the reality distortion field is finally breaking down. I know it has for me.

My initial reaction to Jobs' sandpaper comment was similar to what you're saying, namely that the comment seems to condemn Apple's own products considering the size and resolution of the iPhone/Touch. But I'm willing to give Jobs the benefit of the doubt in that he may be talking about developments on the touchscreen front that we're not privy to. In other words, what he's referring to hasn't happened yet.

I think it would be fair to let this play out before we accuse Jobs of any distorting. Apple, clearly, has no intention of releasing a 7" device. That's the form factor the competition is opting for. Now, clearly, to determine which approach is preferred by us consumers we need to have both form factors evolve to their potential. The iPad is in its infancy and the 7" competition is still only on the drawing board.

Let's see what the iPad looks like when Apple releases Version 2 or 3 and developers have brought out some interesting software able to take advantage of a 9.7" touchscreen. Also, let's see what everybody else's 7" devices are like once they have been developed and some decent software is available for them.

Granted this buys Jobs a solid year, if not longer, but at the same time, we're making comments about hypothetical products based on what we have available to us at this time. If the MP3 evolution is anything to go by, I would advise against insisting right now that Jobs has it wrong.
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I kind of wondered where SJ was coming from on that one. If 7" is too small for a touch interface isn't that sort of a problem for an iPhone and iPod Touch as well. I think a 7" iPad would be pretty cool. I hope they'll make one someday.

I read Steve's full comments. It didn't sound as though he were speaking about 7" being inadequate for a touch interface, but rather apple wouldn't introduce a 7" tablet unless there was a way to do so without requiring developers to recode their tablet apps.

Seemed more like he was speaking about resolution independence(!!!) Regardless, I expect we'll see an ipad mini with the same resolution as the current ipad in the future.
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I kind of wondered where SJ was coming from on that one. If 7" is too small for a touch interface isn't that sort of a problem for an iPhone and iPod Touch as well. I think a 7" iPad would be pretty cool. I hope they'll make one someday.

SJ famously said that he couldn't see consumers wanting video on a device as small as an iPod, he then gave us video.....on an iPod.

This (7") isn't over yet.
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That point is that a considerable portion of iPads power budget goes to lighting up the screen. You don't take this into account below and then mis on other issues.

You make assumptions above that aren't supported by currently shipping hardware. In fact iPhone 4 ships with more RAM. IPad with its rather large PC board also ships with plenty of free space inside its case. Given all of this info building a seven inch class device with even more battery life should be easy.

It should be fairly easy for Apple to pack the same capacity into a seven inch machine. As to power usage of the back light it is not a given what the usage will be like. Power could be significantly less as they improve LED back lighting.

Or not! Besides whos to say that theydon't have a process shrunk A4 ready or a new Cortex A9 based chip ready to go. Remember we are talking a future product here which would likely be based on future hardware.

So where are your facts. You gloss right over the main issue here which is power to the screen. You say they can't cut it in half but then don't back up your statements. .

Nice of you to ignore everything I said.

I specifically said that we would pretend that the 7" screen used half of the power of the 10" screen (even though it would use something more than half.

RAM? Since it's a hypothetical product, no one knows how much RAM it would have, but RAM usage is insignificant.

You will also find that the iPad has very little free space inside the unit.

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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

The 10" iPad with its 4:3 aspect screen measures 5.75" x 7.75" with 44.5 square inches of area.

a 7" tablet with a 16:9 aspect screen will measure approximately 3.5" x 6" with 21 square inches of area.

the smaller size has only one big advantage - it will weigh about half as much as the iPad, and the iPad is tiring to hold up with one hand for an extended period.

No, it won't weigh 1/2. The screen size will be 1/2 the size, so call it half the weight. The CPU, SOC, RAM, etc would be unchanged. Battery life would have to be reduced, but if it's only 1/2 the battery weight, then battery life will suffer badly (since CPU, SOC, etc usage would be roughly constant).

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the article you mentioned very clearly states the $150 million worth in non-voting Apple shares was, in fact, an investment made by Microsoft. also, Apple purchased NeXT because the Copeland project was a bust. Apple lost around $850 million in 1996 and over one (1) billion dollars in 1997 mostly due to the friendly acquisition of NeXT.

so, how did Apple manage to have $1.2 billion in cash after such heavy losses? software sells (despite having around 5% of the home PC market) and Microsoft of course

There's an old saying: "How do you get $1 million in the xxx business? Start with $2 million". Apple's $1.2 B in 1997 was the result of having much more cash in the early 90's and dropping through the mid-90's.

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You obviously don't have my eyesight or my lack of income.

I would love to have an iPad, but because of it's large screen and bezels it will never be a go-everywhere device. I already have internet most places I go and a cell phone for in between so all I need is a 3G enabled information appliance that's small enough to take with me all the time. An iNotePad with a 6" screen would do perfectly.

Apple, however, wouldn't like that. By forcing people to choose portability or usability they've managed to sell you two iDevices. If they also offered a 6" device with many of the UI benefits of the iPad in a truly portable package maybe they'd have only sold you one.

To me the iPad is a living room device and I don't need ultra light weight or long battery life there. My wife and I looked at the iPad for her to use on the couch, but went with a used MacBook instead. It cost less and does far more including playing Flash video from Facebook that iOS devices don't. I personally hate Flash and use blockers on my Mac, but my wife would be mighty upset if she couldn't see the latest video of our kid at daycare.

So the iPad isn't for you. No one ever claimed that it was for everyone. Since when does failure to meet YOUR needs constitute a failure?
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I also find that Steve's remark about the sandpaper is just rude and juvenile.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

Agreed.

Why?

His job is to communicate in clear terms *why* the Apple solution is better.
He is saying in the clearest possible way that you can make screens smaller, but you can't make fingers smaller.

Balsillie's response is just patronising. "7" screens will succeed because they will. "

C.
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Usually I’m not a fan of posting large images, especially when that same image is posted repeatedly, but piot’s post was funny and poignant. Awesome post piot.

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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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Apple does make good products,,, But Jobs is a big wanker, his comments where childish and irrelevant,

I hope he stirred up a hornets nest all the better for us consumers,

and anyone who doesnt think apple can fall,, have a good look at where GM is right now, they had the same attitude , we are on top, deserve to be on top, and will always be on top

and yes I agree Itunes is bloated and about the least user friendly media player out there
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You are in ``distortion field' '. Steve was right on all points.

Want no return on your investment? Okay.

Just annoy us less with your advertisements.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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