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Inspired by innovations in the iPhone and iPad, the next version of Mac OS X, dubbed "Lion," will bring iOS features to the Mac platform, including multi-touch gestures, the App Store and Home screens, coming Summer 2011.

Features of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion highlighted by Jobs Wednesday include:
Multi-touch gestures
App Store
App Home screens
Full screen apps
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Apps resume when launched
Apple said Lion, shipping next summer, is inspired by many of iPads software innovations. Todays sneak peek highlighted just a few of Lions features, including the Mac App Store, a new way to discover, install and automatically update desktop apps; Launchpad, a new home for all of your Mac apps; system-wide support for full screen apps; and Mission Control, which unifies Exposé, Dashboard, Spaces and full screen apps into an innovative new view of everything running on your Mac, and allows you to instantly navigate anywhere.

"Lion brings many of the best ideas from iPad back to the Mac, plus some fresh new ones like Mission Control that Mac users will really like, Jobs said in a press release. "Lion has a ton of new features, and we hope the few we had time to preview today will give users a good idea of where we are headed."



Multi-Touch
Jobs said that touchscreens don't work when in front of a user, which is why devices like the iPhone and iPad are successful. Given that, Jobs said Macs will stick with products like the trackpad and Magic Mouse for input.

"This is how we're going to use multi-touch on our Mac products," he said.



Mac App Store
Lion will bring the Mac App Store, which, like on iOS, will include one-click downloads, free and paid downloads, and revenue sharing with developers. The Mac App Store will also include automatic updates, and software will be licensed for use on all personal Macs.

Apple said the Mac App Store brings the App Store experience to OS X, making discovering, installing and updating Mac apps easier than ever. Like on iPad, you purchase apps using your iTunes account and they download and install in just one step. App updates are delivered directly through the Mac App Store, so its easy to keep all of your apps up to date. The Mac App Store will be available for Snow Leopard within 90 days and will be included in Lion when it ships next summer.

A demo showing off the Mac App Store showed off the ability to purchase and install Pages with just one click. Applications can also be added to the Launch Pad, which can be selected from the Mac OS X Dock and brings an iPad-style grid of icons and pages onto the screen as an overlay.




Mission Control

Jobs also announced a new feature, Mission Control, which allows users to view anything running on a Mac and instantly navigate to anywhere. He said this will combine existing features, like Expose, with new ones like full screen.

Apple said that Mission Control presents you with a unified view of every app and window running on your Mac, so you can instantly navigate anywhere. Mission Control also incorporates the next generation of Exposé, presenting all the windows running on your Mac grouped by application, alongside thumbnails of full screen apps, Dashboard and other Spaces.

Mission Control clusters alike apps, making them easy to select when in Mission Control.



LaunchPad

Launchpad makes it easier than ever to find and launch any app. Similar to the Home screen on iPad, you can see all the apps on your Mac elegantly displayed just by clicking the Launchpad icon in the dock. Apps can be organized in any order or grouped into folders, and you can swipe through multiple pages of apps to find the one you want.

Lion includes system-wide support for full screen applications. With Lion, you can enter full screen mode with just one click, switch from one full screen app to another with just a swipe of the trackpad, and swipe back to the desktop to access your multi-window applications.



"I wish we had another hour and a half to show you more," Jobs said at the conclusion of Wednesday's presentation. "We'll unveil this over time as we get closer to releasing it."
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Cue the 'oh god oh god oh god they're turning the Mac into a Walled Garden' panic.
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Mac App Store = NOT THE ONLY WY TO GET APPS ON
THE MAC!!!!!
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Mac App Store = NOT THE ONLY WY TO GET APPS ON
THE MAC!!!!!

Hence the pejorative 'panic'.
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This would explain why the downloads page on the apple.com has been slowly hidden away.... Not surprised they did this, basically the same as apple.com/downloads except different interface and no update only downloads.
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.
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ugh, OSX looks horribly bloated >.<
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This would explain why the downloads page on the apple.com has been slowly hidden away.... Not surprised they did this, basically the same as apple.com/downloads except different interface and no update only downloads.

Except now Apple are taking money and hosting them and providing automatic installation etc. Hardly the same is it? It's a list of apps, that's about all that is the same.
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

I completely agree! Apple is abusing of their costumers and developers!
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They are doing multi touch smart on the Mac. They have realized that it isn't very ergonomic to do a touch screen though. This should syraighten out those pinning for a touch screen iMac.

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App store for the Mac will be a huge step forward for small time developers. It should provide for an explosion in Mac apps.

I know some fear a walled garden on the Mac but I don't think Apple is that stupid. They, that is Apple understand the wide array of needs of their users. In any event this looks like a nice refinement of OS/X and I'm looking forward to hearing more details.
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

Then dont use it, and be left behind.
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

For apps sold through the Apple Store, the developer gets 70% of a lot. Selling these same apps through their own websites, they got 100% of a little. Oh, pray tell when will Apple stop? Helping developers dramatically increase their earnings. It's downright evil!
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I knew we'd get a Mac App Store. I even e-mailed Jobs about it when the iPhone App Store first came out. But then I saw Steve e-mail replies to people saying it wasn't coming. He must have come round.

I got my fullscreen button, ha!
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Then dont use it, and be left behind.

That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.
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What did I tell all you guys about Multi-Touch on the Mac? Told you so. Making a laptop touch-screen does not make sense. They didn't even need the extensive testing, because it's obvious.
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It looks like Spaces as we know it was eliminated from Lion. Spaces was my favorite feature of Leopard, and I never use Exposé or Dashboard currently. I'll be sorely disappointed if they make it only useable with full screen apps.
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Mac App Store = NOT THE ONLY WY TO GET APPS ON
THE MAC!!!!!

But a great way for 99% of the people. The ability to find all (most) apps in one place, and to manage these apps (updates) is sure to benefit both end users and developers. The price of apps will probably drop yet developers should see at least as much money (at least as when the apps are sold through brick and mortar stores). I am also willing to bet that app sales will shoot up as a result of the app store. Maybe not heavy expensive apps like Adobe, MS and the like, but all the small great apps that aren't always easy to find out there in the wild.
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

Go to cnet's download.com where it is free. The app isn't hosted there but the end result is pretty much the same, app is on my computer.
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It looks like Spaces as we know it was eliminated from Lion. Spaces was my favorite feature of Leopard, and I never use Exposé or Dashboard currently. I'll be sorely disappointed if they make it only useable with full screen apps.

Don't worry. If Spaces goes you'll be able to pick up a cheap replacement at the App Store
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind.

My god are you nuts? Where else can you find a distributor that handles everything for you and takes so little of the selling price? Really think about it, apple didn't go this route on a lark they have seen how app store has drawn developers to iOS. Thus a Mac app store to reap the same benefits.
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As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

Of course you will that is called business. How ever there is no indication that you will have to distribute this way, but if you don't I think you will quickly discover that it will be a mistake not to be on app store. Get into app store and you will move a lot more product.

Frankly your hostility seems to be very misplaced and lacking of business sense.

Dave
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Now I have to share profits of my software with Apple. Steve you just lost your mind. As a developer of software if I have to share revenue with Apple on software I write for the Mac, I'll just pass the cost to the user and/or stop developing for the Mac.

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I completely agree! Apple is abusing of their costumers and developers!

At no point did he say that the Mac App Store is the only way to install software on Lion. This is an addition to normal outlets.

I can't imagine people downloading things like Adobe Suite, especially with ISPs starting to cap downloads.
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I seriously hope they have something more impressive to show us later. The whole segment on Mac OS X Lion was underwhelming.

Did anyone else notice the lack of a title bar on the Mac App Store application window?

And the application launcher, what's wrong with having two buttons with arrows pointing left and right. Much quicker to operate with a mouse than with the multi-touch surface of the mouse. The demonstrator looked like he was having problems having the OS register what he was trying to do.

The new MacBook Air was news worthy at least.
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I really hope that Apple KEEPS the ability to use the touch screen. There are plenty of multitouch capable displays already entering the market.

Hopefully, they have an update in a few months to a MacBookAIR with a multitouch display and a "fold-over" keyboard.

Steve had a great point about vertically touching a screen all day (but I guess he hasn't read the studies about all the health + IQ improvements you get from STANDING at work -- oh well, wait a few years for those ergonomics). BUT...
...The iPad is pretty cool for kids for their "horizontal" usage. A lot of iTouch/iPhone games are fun because you are able to touch the objects and move them.

>> Otherwise, very pleased that some of the iPhone features are coming back to the Mac -- not really a surprise, they seem to have a pretty good business / design model of re-using code. It reminds me of the old days of OpenDoc and then NeXT computer -- where "components" were used to build more complicated apps. Apple is taking that a bit further now, with the interface elements as re-usable. Keeping a consistent screen size with 2 or 4 times resolution with the iPad is useful.

However, I'm hoping that Apple does a better job with returning to a consistent interface style guideline. There is no telling anymore, where a CONTINUE button is going to be located.
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Actually, giving Apple 30% of the profits you can easily get more sales to make up for that. Not to mention put up the price of your apps. We'll see.

The Mac App Store is about simplicity.
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That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.

It's not a problem. Apps are cumbersome. One app for every platform. The future is web based apps. The whole apple wall garden will come tumbling down then.

Interesting to see whether steve and his cronies let utorrent and flash be distributed through the app store though.
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Come on people! Why the outrage over a Mac App Store? Steve said it won't be the only way to sell apps for OS X, you can still do it like it's done now. It's just another alternative. You get a really great integrated solution for managing and marketing your apps, and you stand a good chance of more people actually discovering your app. Sure 30% is quite steep, but for a lot of people it's worth it. Don't like it? Don't use it. It's that simple. And no, I don't think that means you'll be left behind.
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That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.

You do not get it. Let's say you make $1,000 a month and get 100% of profit and now you sell via Mac apps store and make $2,000 and have to give 30% away, which option would you take.
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Rather then just showing a screen of apps it would be nice to show documents from the app that you recently opened and be able to open multiple documents at the same time. I really don't see how this is a better solution then the way you currently access apps now. I can find an app in one second flat by typing it's name into spotlight, why is this new way any better? The way to improve searching would be to put in tagging into the open/save dialog box and finder. There currently is no good way to do this now.
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I don't know if I get the idea of Launchpad. I mean, once you put your Applications folder in your dock, don't you pretty much already have the equivalent of Launchpad? I have nothing against offering multiple ways to access apps and files, I just wonder what extra functionality Launchpad brings over what's currently available in Snow Leopard.

Now, as a way to make iPad and iPhone users more likely to buy into the Mac OS, I guess I can see how Launchpad might be useful.
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Actually, giving Apple 30% of the profits you can easily get more sales to make up for that. Not to mention put up the price of your apps. We'll see.

The Mac App Store is about simplicity.

The BIG software companies already have mind-share. So they won't be happy with the iStore.
The startups might be happy (at first), because 30% without chasing customers and bundling is a good deal.
Successful shareware companies might gripe -- but they probably are going to be better off on average if it reduces the number of "free loaders."

But the management of these apps for 30% when upgrades and resales are usually around 15% for most software companies.

I think Apple is going to need to have a 30% and a 15-10% track on revenue fees. It's not like people need their .

>> This also might be a pain for more advanced users/programs that require some OS tweaking and dependent files -- but the app packaging on a Mac is definitely MOSTLY there for it to work. However - I don't know why there needs to be an Application Support inside the Library folder -- it always made more sense to me for an app to have it's own Library in it's own APP folder.
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Wow, Full Screen Apps! That is amazing, revolutionary! Nothing at all like Maximize on a PC. /sarcasm

This has been my number one complaint about macs since I switched a decade ago....and I have to wait until Summer until I get it....bummer. But still happy it is finally here...

Now if they could natively have the menu bar on multiple monitors.....
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That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.

I really don't get this attitude. If the app has any value at all you will increase your income. App store clearly has worked out very well for iOS developers. Especially the small time developers where running your own portal is very expensive in the way of time.

Six months after Mac app store hits there will be more software available for the Mac than any other platform. That simply because app store has been an enabler for the small time developer.
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I hope this means that apple won't get overtaken by apps in the store and no more apps not in the store. I see that this move was probably made with the new air in mind. I'm super excited. I hope that lion has more features that are not iphone like though.
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Mac OS X Lion. I want window-zoom changed to "fullscreen" button...

Mate, you f**ing called it spot on... DUH-AMMNN DUDE

Only thing is, it won't do it all the time, thus potentially adding more confusion.
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That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.

If your making sales because of apple's store, apple's format, apple's genius algorithms. If you sell your software in a brick and mortar store, the store gets a cut, why would this be different.

Again, if it doesn't work and sales dint increase, then don't use it!
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I agree. The Lion demo was a botch. There is no new tech, just cosmetics. I expected to have some more technical details : kernel, cocoa evolutions, CPU/GPU blending, 64-bit for all Mac capable computers, etc. Very disappointing. Maybe developers will get more infos…
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So Apple has gone from a single button mouse to multi-touch gestures. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out. The guy demoing Mission Control had problems with the gestures being recognized. How frustrating will false readings be for end users? It looks like the OS reserve a lot of gestures for its own use. Or will they be assignable like mouse buttons are today?

These changes do move toward a unified user experience on Mac and iOS devices. But unlike Microsoft who took the desktop to the phone/tablet, Apple is bringing the small device UI to the desktop. Apple's move seems smarter.

I'm not sold on the launch pad. I'm perfectly happy with the Apps folder in the Dock. But I guess it is like a giant full screen contextual menu. And harmonizes the user experience.

To those whining about the App Store: Sheesh. Take a pill. Apple is providing a robust shopping and distribution channel, and a way to do updates. That seems like a lot of infrastructure and capability they're setting up for the developers. I expect there will be rules against selling an app on the App Store for $15 and selling it through your own web site for $10.

They spent a lot of time demoing iLife, but not much time on Lion. I had hoped to see more.

- Jasen.
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Apple Store is back up.
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That's the problem. Lose 30% of your income, or be left behind.

He never said the AppStore was required. If you don't like it, just keep selling the old way. Apple takes care of billing and hosting as they do with the iPhone. You also get more exposure on the AppStore. They take 30% of your income, you get 400% more customers. BTW, this is no different then selling in a brick and mortar store. Same benefits, same markup.
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I think that apple may make lion a free upgrade because they will integrate features that work with the mac app store. They will want people to buy their stuff so they will subsidize the cost by making the OS free and then making back the money via the apps. That's my guess.
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