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Apple won't wait for Lion to bring the Mac App Store to the masses, as the software download destination is set to arrive on the current version of Mac OS X, Snow Leopard, in the next three months.

The App Store will allow users to download and install applications with just one click, like on the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad. Developers will also be able to take a 70 percent cut of sales through the digital storefront, while Apple keeps 30 percent.

Like on iOS devices, software will be remotely hosted by Apple. But once applications are installed, they will run locally, like traditional software.

In both Lion and Snow Leopard, users will not be tied to the App Store for new software. Jobs said that the App Store will simply be an option for both developers and users, suggesting Mac OS X will not become a "walled garden" like iOS.
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I can see there being a major problem for previous app purchasers. I think they should integrate a section where people can enter their existing license keys. That would make it mint

Not to mention it keeps Leopard or even Tiger systems out of the loop.
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I really don't like that Apple knows how much money my company makes and which client has my application. They may not check the clients computer, but this way they still know what is going on.
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this is a great new revenue stream. looking forward to more apple profit in the coming quarters.
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Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.
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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

So an OPTIONAL store which gives small scale developers international distribution is a bad thing. Strange logic you have there.
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So an OPTIONAL store which gives small scale developers international distribution is a bad thing. Strange logic you have there.

Optional being the key word. I like the idea - having just downloaded Steam a one-stop shop for Apps works for me.
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Maybe this was said and I missed it, but is this store going to be optional (kinda like steam) or is it going to be like the iOS app store? I sure hope its the former.
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Optional is good for now but is a step where down the road not just Apple but everything will be locked down and all your purchases will be from the clowd.

Guess that's progress for you and like anything else has it's pro's and cons.
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this will be great for non-techie consumers (and small businesses). keeping applications updated is very important, and a real pain in the butt. and one-stop shopping is much easier.

sure, it's forward looking. if you are going to run Tiger/Leopard and PPC Macs for the rest of your life, you are out of luck and have to keep doing it the old way. so?

sure, it will be done the "Apple way." but you don't have to ever use it if you don't like that. So?

i've been hoping for this for years, ever since Apple's own Software Update first appeared. now just 90 days more ...
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I really don't like that Apple knows how much money my company makes and which client has my application. They may not check the clients computer, but this way they still know what is going on.

So you don't use it. As Jobs said, this isn't a walled system. It is not required. It is a way for small developers that need such a system to increase sales to do so. But it is not the only way.

As for the tracking this isn't much different than paying to have your CD on Apple's retail shelf etc. They still know how many users you are getting through them. Online sales require logging in with an apple id and even in the stores they can track, if they chose, via the emails from when they send you a receipt etc.
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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

The internet is going to be full of this sort of comment, about how we're on a slippery slope etc.

When in fact the Mac App store is an option.

Ubuntu has a package manager that lets you install applications (all free of course) in one click and it works amazingly well. It's only natural for commercial OS's to do the same. As long as they realise that it should not be the ONLY option, which Apple understands and so will Microsoft I'm sure - when they do their equivalent.
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Originally Posted by SuperDuperCheese View Post

I can see there being a major problem for previous app purchasers. I think they should integrate a section where people can enter their existing license keys. That would make it mint

I don't see any difficulty. Upgrade through the app store as needed using your existing serial number. Sorted. Can't imagine any issues at all...
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So does this mean apps will be able to play on the mac?

Do you think the app store will be eventually removed from itunes?
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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

This would be a problem if Apple would no longer allow software installation through any other means, but this is not true. In face, Apple has stated the opposite.

A convenient one-stop-shop for Mac software is a good thing, not a bad thing. If Apple wants to audit software to be sure only approved apps are listed, they can do that too. As long as you always have the ability to purchase elsewhere, I don't see even the potential for a problem.
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So an OPTIONAL store which gives small scale developers international distribution is a bad thing. Strange logic you have there.

No - Strange logic YOU have there if you can't see the writing on the wall. Trust me, "OPTIONAL" will last a year or two. By the time Lion's successor comes out, all software will have to be approved by Steve...

Pathetic,.,,,
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Well, there you have it. Steve Jobs has seized full control over your user experience. Thus ends the best computing experience in existance. It was good while it lasted.

From now on you will do exactly what Steve Jobs wants you to do. No porn, no reading of any magazines that do not meet Jobs' and Gore's political agendas, no watching of any content that doesn't come from iTunes or Netflix. And I would expect that partnership to go by the wayside eventually since Apple can't partner with anyone for very long.

No flash, no matte screen, no software unless Apple approved. Terrible.

Although I'm sure all of you will love it since you're basking in the glow of the reality distortion field.

Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.
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Well, there you have it. Steve Jobs has seized full control over your user experience. Thus ends the best computing experience in existance. It was good while it lasted.

From now on you will do exactly what Steve Jobs wants you to do. No porn, no reading of any magazines that do not meet Jobs' and Gore's political agendas, no watching of any content that doesn't come from iTunes or Netflix. And I would expect that partnership to go by the wayside eventually since Apple can't partner with anyone for very long.

No flash, no matte screen, no software unless Apple approved. Terrible.

Although I'm sure all of you will love it since you're basking in the glow of the reality distortion field.

Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.

Obvious Troll is obvious. Really seized control, you mean by creating an OS? Think about it.
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Well, there you have it. Steve Jobs has seized full control over your user experience. Thus ends the best computing experience in existance. It was good while it lasted.

From now on you will do exactly what Steve Jobs wants you to do. No porn, no reading of any magazines that do not meet Jobs' and Gore's political agendas, no watching of any content that doesn't come from iTunes or Netflix. And I would expect that partnership to go by the wayside eventually since Apple can't partner with anyone for very long.

No flash, no matte screen, no software unless Apple approved. Terrible.

Although I'm sure all of you will love it since you're basking in the glow of the reality distortion field.

Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.

What are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

No one will force software companies to go this route. There is always a CD / DVD install or download from web site. This is a Mac not an iPad.
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What are you talking about, moron?

Add him to your ignore list
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No - Strange logic YOU have there if you can't see the writing on the wall. Trust me, "OPTIONAL" will last a year or two. By the time Lion's successor comes out, all software will have to be approved by Steve...

Pathetic,.,,,

Think how many companies allow download sales from their own web sites. You are assuming too much here in thinking the Mac app store will become the only way.
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post #23 of 114
It will be a great democratizer of Mac App development, and maybe even create some more price competition.
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I really don't like that Apple knows how much money my company makes and which client has my application. They may not check the clients computer, but this way they still know what is going on.

So don't use the Apple App Store as one of your distribution outlets. It's your choice. Just make a decision and say why. Complaining about it is a waste of bandwidth and oxygen.
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not sure how well desktop app developers are going to like this.
They are used to people paying for "major" updates.
With the app store model, they probably cannot do that anymore.
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Not to mention it keeps Leopard or even Tiger systems out of the loop.

If you aren't on Snow Lepoard either you are in a administered walled network and the App Store isn't an option anyway, or you aren't a current Apple customer.

You really can't complain about a new feature two OS revs down the road as not being backward compatible, making the Tiger argument terminally weak. And not forking over a whole $29 for Snow Lepoard if you had the choice means you choose not to buy, making you a former customer. Apple has the duty to keep your OS software updated for bugs and security over 5-7 years, but not to add features for free.
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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

You don't know anything about that, and you didn't listen if you didn't hear Jobs say that this wouldn't be the only to get apps.

This is much more a consumer way of getting apps. If a developer doesn't want in on this, they don't have to be. I imagine that this will be great for small developers who have problems getting distribution and coverage.

I don't expect to get CS6 this way, but who knows?
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Optional is good for now but is a step where down the road not just Apple but everything will be locked down and all your purchases will be from the clowd.

Guess that's progress for you and like anything else has it's pro's and cons.

That's your assumption.
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No - Strange logic YOU have there if you can't see the writing on the wall. Trust me, "OPTIONAL" will last a year or two. By the time Lion's successor comes out, all software will have to be approved by Steve...

Pathetic,.,,,

You can imagine all you like, but that doesn't mean it will come true.

Never say anything extreme in such a definite way, it will come back to bite you.
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Optional is good for now but is a step where down the road not just Apple but everything will be locked down and all your purchases will be from the clowd.

Guess that's progress for you and like anything else has it's pro's and cons.

That is why I have and will continue to use CNET's download.com. I think I am running Leopard 10.5. The App store is just another source.
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Well, there you have it. Steve Jobs has seized full control over your user experience. Thus ends the best computing experience in existance. It was good while it lasted.

From now on you will do exactly what Steve Jobs wants you to do. No porn, no reading of any magazines that do not meet Jobs' and Gore's political agendas, no watching of any content that doesn't come from iTunes or Netflix. And I would expect that partnership to go by the wayside eventually since Apple can't partner with anyone for very long.

No flash, no matte screen, no software unless Apple approved. Terrible.

Although I'm sure all of you will love it since you're basking in the glow of the reality distortion field.

Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.

Sigh! The usual unobservant and illogical comments from one of our few resident trolls. Nice to see you again.
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You don't know anything about that, and you didn't listen if you didn't hear Jobs say that this wouldn't be the only to get apps.

This is much more a consumer way of getting apps. If a developer doesn't want in on this, they don't have to be. I imagine that this will be great for small developers who have problems getting distribution and coverage.

I don't expect to get CS6 this way, but who knows?

^------- This.

The desktop world is much more dynamic. There are developers that do special pricing depending on the client's needs. They won't want their software on a central place for a static price. This isn't going to change, especially in the industrial world.

I would be royally pissed if I had to distribute my apps via one cluttered area. I make a living off of my apps, and I want to have control over that. Therefor, I need to market them myself and push them as much as I can. Being tied down to a cluttered central area, could spell doom even for a great application.

 

 

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Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.

So long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

Every store has the right to reject apps. The difference between this and the iOS App store is you can still get whatever your heart desires anywhere else.

I see the potential for Apple to make quite a bit by the value added of "vetting" and "providing" trust that the software isn't malware allowed to run free. Devs that sell under that umbrella may make more overall if Apple can convince the masses that buying shareware someplace via an aggregator site with payPal carries a higher risk. And if Devs don't have to worry about storefronts and licensing it can be seen as a time-based win for them too.
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Well, there you have it. Steve Jobs has seized full control over your user experience. Thus ends the best computing experience in existance. It was good while it lasted.

From now on you will do exactly what Steve Jobs wants you to do. No porn, no reading of any magazines that do not meet Jobs' and Gore's political agendas, no watching of any content that doesn't come from iTunes or Netflix. And I would expect that partnership to go by the wayside eventually since Apple can't partner with anyone for very long.

No flash, no matte screen, no software unless Apple approved. Terrible.

Although I'm sure all of you will love it since you're basking in the glow of the reality distortion field.

Oh well. Back to Windows and Android.

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Sigh! The usual unobservant and illogical comments from one of our few resident trolls. Nice to see you again.

I'll go farther. He's lying, in the form of making stuff up to suit his personal agenda. He isn't saying these things are possible and people should be vigilant, he is saying it is done. That crosses a line.
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Wow! Are some people just a tad alarmist?
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Hate to say I told you so...

But I told you so...

The app store for Macs was the next logical step and also the worst thing that could happen.

It will cause Apple to reject many apps that do nothing wrong other than not fit with current partnerships.

Too much control. It is more monopolistic than MS ever was.

But its not the only place to buy Mac software AND the Mac is an open system. Please get back under your tinfoil hat.

The Mac App store sounds good. Just like djsherly said, its like Steam for apps.
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Wow! Are some people just a tad alarmist?

Total paranoids, i guess.
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It's comforting to know that the trolls never sleep. They bring us news of doom and gloom, warning us of the dangerous plots that dangerous men like Jobs scheme up to stifle our our constitutional rights. And all the time, the trolls also exercise our ignore lists. Oh, now they DO exercise out ignore lists. Thank you Blackintosh, et al! You and the teabaggers are the REAL American heros!
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