Originally Posted by tjw
At the end of the day apple is insanely scared of cross platform applications as it means there is no benefit in buying apple hardware.
People have been preaching this since the web took off - and yet Apple is a major supporter of webkit!
Now if they are so scared of cross platform applications, why would they introduce a smartphone with the best web browser to date? By your rational, mobile safari should be worse than mobile IE to encourage - nay, force - people to use native apps. Or heck, ship with no browser at all!
And yet that didn't happen! Amazing! Probably because Apple isn't concerned about cross platform apps? Probably because Apple understands they don't have to cripple the web to compete, they can compete with web apps by providing better tools that enable developers to provide a superior experience via native apps than can be delivered via the web?
Naw, that's too simple and logical! It's much more likely that Apple is scared of the web and has this huge hidden agenda
People can hype a web-only existence all they want but it's not happening any time soon. When I can launch Civilization V out of a web browser without relying on some third party plug-in like Java or Flash, you might have the beginnings of an argument that Apple is concerned about "cross platform applications".
But you can't. And I doubt Apple is that concerned about them. And not because they are arrogant, but because they simply don't have to be. Web-only experiences suck. It's probably why Apple is watching Google with Chrome with some bemusement - and probably laughing out loud when people insist that if Google looses their upcoming showdown with Oracle over Android that they can "just pull out Chrome". What a farce....
Hence their huge walled garden.
And yet they actively develop Safari. And not only that, they actively develop web kit and GIVE IT AWAY.
Yup, they are shaking in their boots about cross platform web apps that they created such a "walled garden" that it's missing a big chunk of the "wall". Absolutely brilliant strategy to defeat web apps there...
Their strategy is simple: make something cool but slightly limited (so it really really appeals to those that aren't that tech literate)
Actually, their strategy is simple - release products (hardware, software, services) that people want
to use. Not just because they are cool, but because they empower their users to do things with minimal fuss. Sure, cool doesn't hurt, but you can't live on "cool" forever. Cool = Fad and fads are fickle. Apple's meteoric growth since Steve's return is anything but fickle.
then make it a bit cooler every year so people keep coming back again.
I never understood this "incremental" criticism.
Where's the outcry against Microsoft for incrementally dolling out features. Why didn't they release Areo with Windows 3.1?!? They were holding back forcing incremental upgrades all this time - those bastards!
Seriously, I can't believe people even think arguments like these are feasible to others on the outside of their circle-jerk echo chambers that they express them in public. Embarrassing, really...
Before you know it you have a huge amount of people in your walled garden.
Before you know it, you will have the current iOS ecosystem. Millions of happy customers who are there because they love the products they are using because of what they do for them and the way they function, not because they were duped into the ecosystem by "ooh, shiny"!
Now imagine if platform independent web apps came along to the same standard as your native apps, you would switch.
"Now imagine you found a lamp, rubbed it and a Genie popped out and gave you three wishes"
Fairy tales, while often entertaining, are not the sound basis for a rational argument.
The benefits of switching far outweigh you using all your native apps and eventually the walled garden comes tumbling down.
And theoretically open sourced web standards bodies will continue their political infighting, real web standards will remain stalled and the web will remain the modern equivalent of the VT100 terminal compared to native applications.
Now granted, I'm not saying the web isn't useful (tons of business was and is still carried out via VT100 terminals) but to imply that native apps days are numbered soon is stupid. It may be an accurate statement in the context of the life of the universe, but if you are implying it's going to happen even within the next five years I'd say you are crazy or wildly optimistic.
This is what apple doesn't want because it means they lose again.
If having the second largest market cap is your definition of loosing...
Hence them pushing the app store onto every bit of apple hardware they can to try and make it ubiquitous.
Damn them for trying to make things easy and consistent for end users! Why only True Geeks™ should be able to unlock the secrets of computing
Of course they are going to push the App store model! It makes too much sense! The Linux guys have been doing it for years with package managers. Decades, actually.
The real question is what is taking Microsoft so long? Patching applications on Windows is a NIGHTMARE - then again they and their partners wouldn't be able to sell you as many management solutions and consulting hours if it just worked. Personally I find that a more likely conspiracy than your walled garden theories...
I am pretty certain they will put an app store on apple tv before they put a browser on it.
Duh - because for most people a browser on a TV is a pretty lame experience whereas applications tailored for a devices user interface are fare more useful. Especially if you have a laptop or iPad. Especially if you have an iPad
And if the web is the solver of all and the end all be all technology, why was Google going out of their way to point out as a positive that certain web sites had created GoogleTV specific pages?
The whole model people have suggested here as being great where you sign into your mum's iMac and you download all the apps you have bought and then you use them is completely flawed. It is far far far more useful to login to any device, mac, pc, iphone, android phone and open the browser and have all your apps and no downloading.
Huh? Native apps aren't going away any time soon - so having a store where you can push a button and download all your apps, or at least easily get to the ones you really need at the moment is a bad thing and "completely flawed"? Yup, convenience sucks. I would much rather rub two sticks together instead of striking a match
Unfortunately, this will never happen with apple...
Because of the walled garden, right? Never mind Apple develops and prompts web kit and Safari? Ugh. Nevermind - I'm not sure why I'm bothering with such flawed circular logic...