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post #81 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Even when Apple itself does not follow these rules for their own Mac applications?

They own the store, they can do what they want. ..... build your own store, then you can do what you want.

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post #82 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Name three.

Why don't you name one that doesn't?

With all your real life developer/publisher experience it should be trivial
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post #83 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

It's not going to be a big deal for the larger companies but what they need to beware of is the smaller indie playing David to their Goliath.

Yup - it's a huge game changer and levels the playing field dramatically for not just newcomers, but established players as well.

I can see seasoned developers like the Omni Group all over this, as well as plenty of new developers.

Including new to the Mac developers that were previously only iOS developers. Don't think this little tidbit is lost on Apple in the least.
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post #84 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:25am
You know what might be cool-- if Apple allowed some of the medium to large developers to have their own sort of "store within a store" at the App Store. Kind of like what Best Buy has for Apple.

So you could go on over to the Omni Store or the Rogue Amoeba Store in the App Store and take a look at all they have to offer, along with maybe some extra info about the company and their philosophy and an extra bit of branding chrome, without having to click a bunch of separate icons.
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post #85 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

You know what might be cool-- if Apple allowed some of the medium to large developers to have their own sort of "store within a store" at the App Store. Kind of like what Best Buy has for Apple.

So you could go on over to the Omni Store or the Rogue Amoeba Store in the App Store and take a look at all they have to offer, along with maybe some extra info about the company and their philosophy and an extra bit of branding chrome, without having to click a bunch of separate icons.

I think that's a great idea. Customers will develop a following for the publishers they like.
And I can see Apple display the Adobe store in Flash only.
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post #86 of 176
10/21/10 at 12:59am
Apple is going too far with their guidelines. But they will no doubt adjust that to how far the thing will fly.

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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post #87 of 176
10/21/10 at 1:21am
If I'm a troll I'd say "yet another censored store " but since I'm not I just say "thank God it's not the only way to get applications ".

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post #88 of 176
10/21/10 at 1:33am
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Folks, we are on the verge of a HUGE Apple increase to the un-washed masses

THAT will change the "Apple/Mac" experience as most of us have known it

Sorry, but that is the Reality before us

.

Will bet the mortgage most everyone who reads this has been involved with Apple/Mac for many years. We've been that "less that 10%" of the computers out there all this time, and it has been a Great Time and Experience for us all.

For example - when we needed to check out new software, simply visit VersionTracker, or in recent years MacUpdate. If we wanted to catch up on the News, we came here to AppleInsider or MacSurfer. Were only a few sites we needed to "know" and we all pretty much knew one another, and reputations were easy to follow - along with the software as it was developed. If/when someone tried to pull a pile of b.s. on the Apple/Mac Family and Community? We all knew about it pretty quick and word got around fast.

Well, those days are almost gone.

Now VersionTracker is owned by Someone who's owned by CBS/Viacom. One of the original Mac Web Guys, Stan at MacMinute, died couple of years ago. Ted Landau is somewhere, retired no doubt. On and on. Are some other names of ol' timers I'd have to dig around to remember, sorry - but you should get the idea.

Is a "New World" we the Apple/Mac Family are about to move into. Now the Entire World is about to discover what we've known for years.

And the few reliable sites we've come to rely on will probably get lost in the shuffle, noise and commotion, then be like the Windows Sites for Software and News already out there now - and be honest about them. Name one of those you know you can trust to be on the up and up, and when you read a review of some new Software as posted on that site, is it a 'plant' or someone with an axe to grind, etc ? And with 100,000 hits/reviews how can we sort the shit from the shineola?

Yes, AppleInsider, et al - will still have Great Reputations and get our business. But we're that small minority, that less than 10%. Once the rest of the Planet gets on the Bandwagon, will probably be a multitude of other Apple News Sites pop up - all claiming to be the 'best' - and the tourists will gather round. Hell, they bought into Windows easy enough in the first place, merely because they're now coming to Mac doesn't mean they're really any smarter, just late to the party.

We'll see about the new Mac App Store - and the new "direction" for the Future as we all go "back to the Mac" - but if it's at all like the iPhone/Pad Store, then it will probably be just fine for the Future that's coming, and coming fast.

Apple/Steve and Crew have done pretty good so far, let's grant the benefit of the doubt that what they're now trying to create will work fine for the Billions and Billions of new users about to join us.

(all that sorta make sense?)

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post #89 of 176
10/21/10 at 1:38am
say hello to the bloated future of the mac
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post #90 of 176
10/21/10 at 1:41am
Also app store on a computer, do people not realise that this has been available on linux like forever and all the software is frrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

This is clearly an attack on the browser. The first thing developers will do is create a native version of their web apps. All about trying to kick google ads off the mac as much as possible by making popular services available as apps with iAd included. Clever but completely the wrong direction.
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post #91 of 176
10/21/10 at 2:05am
``When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.' '


We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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post #92 of 176
10/21/10 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Were the guidelines written specifically to keep Microsoft out?

The "No Bugs" clause will take care of that.
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post #93 of 176
10/21/10 at 3:24am
The marketing geniuses are at it again!!!!

Thank God for brilliant marketing people!!!!!

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Now we are thrilled to be opening our new Mac App Store to the hundreds of thousands of Mac developers and tens of millions of Mac users around the world

I don't have Apple's sales figures, so let's just take some median numbers, shall we??? Let's let "hundreds of thousands" of Mac developers be equal to 500,000, and let's let "tens of millions" of Mac users be equal to 50,000,000.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that each one of these 50,000,000 buyers goes out and buys 1 application from each of these 500,000 developers. That equates to:

50,000,000/500,000=100 copies sold. By God...your rich!!!

After years of development, you can expect to make the following, based on these figures:

Cost of Product/Net income:

$10.00/$1000.00
$20.00/$2000.00
......
$100.00/$20,000.00
......
$500.00/$50,000.00

We can, of course, play a "fun with numbers" game, as in company A has 20 developers, sells 10,000 units at $100.00 a piece, whereas companies Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, and Z have 2 or less developers and sell a grand total of 0 (zero) products (I'll let you do the math for this disaster).

Sarcasm aside, there are a fair number of companies that simply cannot comply with these standards. For example, companies that make utilities like "Disk Warrior" or "Tech Tools Pro" need access to admin level permissions, and reading the standards, they're excluded.

Being excluded from a "sales list" like this could be interpreted as a "mark of inferiority." Oh, really???? So the guy developing software that makes f*rting sounds is perfectly welcome, but those making advanced diagnostic tools aren't???? (As an FYI, there were two companies developing f*rting sound software for the iPhone that got into a lawsuit over this "high tech" stuff).

Mr. Jobs and his team of "marketing geniuses" have deluded themselves into believing the computer is nothing more than a two bit gadget. He made such a comment about the iPad stating "it's all anyone needed."
  • Mail: Yes
  • Movies: Yes
  • F*rting Sound Software: Why, of course
  • Find the nearest bar: Certainly
  • Imaging for cancer screening: Don't be ridiculous, silly rabbit
  • Calculating Fourier Series/Transforms for interference problems: Don't be ridiculous...interference problems don't exist, especially on iPhones
  • Financial Calculations: Naaahhh...trust the guys on Wall Street to analyze everything for you, they know what they're doing!!!!

The "store" looks like it's a bad idea, a really, really bad idea, and clearly, in my opinion, even the quotes coming from Apple haven't been well thought out.....just like the list of requirements!
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post #94 of 176
10/21/10 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by MaddogTurbo View Post

The marketing geniuses are at it again!!!!

Thank God for brilliant marketing people!!!!!



I don't have Apple's sales figures, so let's just take some median numbers, shall we??? Let's let "hundreds of thousands" of Mac developers be equal to 500,000, and let's let "tens of millions" of Mac users be equal to 50,000,000.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that each one of these 50,000,000 buyers goes out and buys 1 application from each of these 500,000 developers. That equates to:

50,000,000/500,000=100 copies sold. By God...your rich!!!

After years of development, you can expect to make the following, based on these figures:

Cost of Product/Net income:

$10.00/$1000.00
$20.00/$2000.00
......
$100.00/$20,000.00
......
$500.00/$50,000.00

We can, of course, play a "fun with numbers" game, as in company A has 20 developers, sells 10,000 units at $100.00 a piece, whereas companies Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, and Z have 2 or less developers and sell a grand total of 0 (zero) products (I'll let you do the math for this disaster).

Sarcasm aside, there are a fair number of companies that simply cannot comply with these standards. For example, companies that make utilities like "Disk Warrior" or "Tech Tools Pro" need access to admin level permissions, and reading the standards, they're excluded.

Being excluded from a "sales list" like this could be interpreted as a "mark of inferiority." Oh, really???? So the guy developing software that makes f*rting sounds is perfectly welcome, but those making advanced diagnostic tools aren't???? (As an FYI, there were two companies developing f*rting sound software for the iPhone that got into a lawsuit over this "high tech" stuff).

Mr. Jobs and his team of "marketing geniuses" have deluded themselves into believing the computer is nothing more than a two bit gadget. He made such a comment about the iPad stating "it's all anyone needed."
  • Mail: Yes
  • Movies: Yes
  • F*rting Sound Software: Why, of course
  • Find the nearest bar: Certainly
  • Imaging for cancer screening: Don't be ridiculous, silly rabbit
  • Calculating Fourier Series/Transforms for interference problems: Don't be ridiculous...interference problems don't exist, especially on iPhones
  • Financial Calculations: Naaahhh...trust the guys on Wall Street to analyze everything for you, they know what they're doing!!!!

The "store" looks like it's a bad idea, a really, really bad idea, and clearly, in my opinion, even the quotes coming from Apple haven't been well thought out.....just like the list of requirements!

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post #95 of 176
10/21/10 at 4:42am
Hi

I was wondering if Apps developed using Nokia Qt C++ and some objective C inside it and packaged using xCode packaging mechanism would be accepted provided other conditions are met?

Thanks
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post #96 of 176
10/21/10 at 4:43am
This will be huge for Mac gaming. It will be the turning point for the Mac and games. It will spur development of games developed for OS X (without DirectX) that are as fast as any PC and eventually faster.

Oh and of course, the second they heard this MS started work to come up with a PC App Store, I guarantee it.
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post #97 of 176
10/21/10 at 4:47am
MadDog Turbo I'm not even going to quote your ridiculous diatribe in your first post using this name as it is too silly to waste the pixels but you really need help there fella'.

Check back in two years and eat your rant
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post #98 of 176
10/21/10 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by BC Kelly View Post

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Folks, we are on the verge of a HUGE Apple increase to the un-washed masses

THAT will change the "Apple/Mac" experience as most of us have known it

Sorry, but that is the Reality before us

.

Will bet the mortgage most everyone who reads this has been involved with Apple/Mac for many years. We've been that "less that 10%" of the computers out there all this time, and it has been a Great Time and Experience for us all.

For example - when we needed to check out new software, simply visit VersionTracker, or in recent years MacUpdate. If we wanted to catch up on the News, we came here to AppleInsider or MacSurfer. Were only a few sites we needed to "know" and we all pretty much knew one another, and reputations were easy to follow - along with the software as it was developed. If/when someone tried to pull a pile of b.s. on the Apple/Mac Family and Community? We all knew about it pretty quick and word got around fast.

Well, those days are almost gone.

Now VersionTracker is owned by Someone who's owned by CBS/Viacom. One of the original Mac Web Guys, Stan at MacMinute, died couple of years ago. Ted Landau is somewhere, retired no doubt. On and on. Are some other names of ol' timers I'd have to dig around to remember, sorry - but you should get the idea.

Is a "New World" we the Apple/Mac Family are about to move into. Now the Entire World is about to discover what we've known for years.

And the few reliable sites we've come to rely on will probably get lost in the shuffle, noise and commotion, then be like the Windows Sites for Software and News already out there now - and be honest about them. Name one of those you know you can trust to be on the up and up, and when you read a review of some new Software as posted on that site, is it a 'plant' or someone with an axe to grind, etc ? And with 100,000 hits/reviews how can we sort the shit from the shineola?

Yes, AppleInsider, et al - will still have Great Reputations and get our business. But we're that small minority, that less than 10%. Once the rest of the Planet gets on the Bandwagon, will probably be a multitude of other Apple News Sites pop up - all claiming to be the 'best' - and the tourists will gather round. Hell, they bought into Windows easy enough in the first place, merely because they're now coming to Mac doesn't mean they're really any smarter, just late to the party.

We'll see about the new Mac App Store - and the new "direction" for the Future as we all go "back to the Mac" - but if it's at all like the iPhone/Pad Store, then it will probably be just fine for the Future that's coming, and coming fast.

Apple/Steve and Crew have done pretty good so far, let's grant the benefit of the doubt that what they're now trying to create will work fine for the Billions and Billions of new users about to join us.

(all that sorta make sense?)

.

Excellent post. BTW Sad to realize some of the original Mac gurus have left us.

I totally agree and I see this being massive. The launch date of the Mac App store will be a date to remember as a turning point in Mac history.
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post #99 of 176
10/21/10 at 5:08am
Mac app store is great for apple, sucks for mac developers. Users will start to expect that all mac apps are on the store, and apple will start taking a 30% cut of every mac app sale. That's a crapload of money to apple, for doing essentially nothing but providing hosting space. On top of that you have to deal with apple's BS submission guidelines.

Most apps already have built-in autoupdating via sparkle, and for the most part can be uninstalled by dragging to trash, so I don't see how apple even offers any additional functionality to app downloads.

This just looks more and more like a big, wet, steaming pile of fail.
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post #100 of 176
10/21/10 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Hopefully ones that can assist you with reading comprehension as well

Sure, I make my living by writing software so I would guess I comprehend this a little better than you do.

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post #101 of 176
10/21/10 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by diddy View Post

Nobody has to use the store. Jobs made it very clear that the App Store will be an option. Not the option.

And Steve has NEVER backpedaled before or turned around 180 degrees on his past statements? Riiiight.

Two years from now, this will be our only choice for software.
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post #102 of 176
10/21/10 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

And Steve has NEVER backpedaled before or turned around 180 degrees on his past statements? Riiiight.

Two years from now, this will be our only choice for software.

And how can Steve prevent you going to a web site such as Version Tracker and downloading software from there?
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post #103 of 176
10/21/10 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by satcomer View Post

I don't know about this App Store. I right now think the iPhone App Store is way to over bloated right now and is hard to find applications when surfing for a certain function. Then Apple will introduce an OS X App store that will exhibit the same bloat problem.

I disagree.

"Apps that duplicate apps already in the App Store may be rejected, particularly if there are many of them. Apps that are not very useful or do not provide any lasting entertainment value may be rejected. Apps that are primarily marketing materials or advertisements will be rejected. Apps that are intended to provide trick or fake functionality that are not clearly marked as such will be rejected."

As long as they stick to that rule (and there's no reason to believe that they won't), I don't see a problem. I'm definitely looking forward to a 'safe' store. It's one of the things I love about the App store on the iPhone.
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post #104 of 176
10/21/10 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

And how can Steve prevent you going to a web site such as Version Tracker and downloading software from there?

Simple, sandbox apps just like they do on the iphone. Make no mistake, if Jobs had the internet to easily install applications in an appstore from day 1 of the mac then he would have done. There would be no such thing as being able to install your own software
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post #105 of 176
10/21/10 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

This will be huge for Mac gaming. It will be the turning point for the Mac and games. It will spur development of games developed for OS X (without DirectX) that are as fast as any PC and eventually faster.

Oh and of course, the second they heard this MS started work to come up with a PC App Store, I guarantee it.

I can't really see mac gaming catching PCs. For one macs will never be as fast as gaming PCs and be affordable. You can build a gaming PC for less than £1500 that is faster than anything apple make apart from a ridiculously expensive mac pro. Second DirectX is one of the few things MS do extremely well, there is a whole gaming industry built around it. I don't see that changinig because angry birds for the mac is on the way....

Also Windows app store was leaked long ago see http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...-for-windows-8. No one can say MS copying apple.......!
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post #106 of 176
10/21/10 at 7:15am
and it may be removed in future releases of OS X.

http://developer.apple.com/library/m...010380-CH4-SW1

First, no flash with the new Backbook Airs, then no Java, then app store and all the restrictions and then in a few more releases, no app installs outside of app store.

Good bye OS X, it was a nice ride while it lasted.

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post #107 of 176
10/21/10 at 7:32am
Mmm...I'm wondering what Steam is thinking...probably not happy thoughts.
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post #108 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

All those things "will" benefit the user. Thank you apple.

I'm glad you undermined your own post by putting "will" in quotes, meaning that you don't really think they will benefit the user. (quotes <> bold) Y'see, there are several clauses in there that really won't benefit end users at all.
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post #109 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:08am
"cannot install code or resources in shared locations."

OS X is a multi-user environment. It drives me nuts when I install an app as one user and the next user logs in and cannot run the app because the installer put all the config. files in ~/Library instead of /Library. This clause, strictly interpreted, means apps can no longer store their data in/Library. It remains to be seen if that's how Apple reviewers will interpret it. \

"Apps that do not run on the currently shipping OS will be rejected."

So utilities that fix deficiencies in older OS'es or make older OS's more tolerable (Onyx comes to mind) are now verbotten? Nice, Apple. \

"Apps that are set to auto-launch or to have other code automatically run at startup or login without user consent will be rejected."

That would preclude any font managers (Suitcase, UTC, etc.) that need to run at launch so they precede any apps that need fonts.

This is indeed a rather massive pile of fail, as another poster said.
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post #110 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by enjourni View Post

Mac app store is great for apple, sucks for mac developers. Users will start to expect that all mac apps are on the store, and apple will start taking a 30% cut of every mac app sale. That's a crapload of money to apple, for doing essentially nothing but providing hosting space. On top of that you have to deal with apple's BS submission guidelines.

Most apps already have built-in autoupdating via sparkle, and for the most part can be uninstalled by dragging to trash, so I don't see how apple even offers any additional functionality to app downloads.

This just looks more and more like a big, wet, steaming pile of fail.

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post #111 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

And Steve has NEVER backpedaled before or turned around 180 degrees on his past statements? Riiiight.

Two years from now, this will be our only choice for software.

Except in this case is just not practical to do that - Jobs knows damn well that every single app can run in the way that the App Store requires - abandoning such apps would be the equivalent business move of shooting yourself in the foot with a cannon - something that no CEO is that dumb to do. And lets not point out that Steve is not all powerful - he is still answerable to the board - if he tries and do anything that will compromise their sales he will be out in a minute.

The kind of change that you outline is not a 180 - it's abandoning 30 years of precedent. It just won't happen that way - Jobs is too pragmatic.
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post #112 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:40am
I haven't seen many mentions of one of the biggest strengths of the upcoming mac app store, and that is integration with iOS. Think about how many iphone/ipad apps there are that want to communicate with the computer. Sharing files, syncing information, etc. Currently this is usually done by having these iOS companies either try and build and distribute a mac title, or have a website or some sort of other 'hack'.

I'm just saying it will be nice to see companies offer a complete 'suite' of applications for the entire mac ecosystem, offering integration and yet also device specific differentiation for the same app. There are going to be some pretty sweet offerings imo. As an end user and a developer, i'm excited.
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post #113 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Why don't you name one that doesn't?

With all your real life developer/publisher experience it should be trivial

The astute reader will note that I'm not the one who made an unsupportable claim. Thank you for proving my point.

You wrote:
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Most distribution mechanisms where the developer doens't have his own merchant account (most don't) take anywhere from 10-50%.

How many devs don't have their own merchant account?

And among that subset, how many aren't using Element-5, Digital River, PayPal, or any of the other solutions that take less than 10%?

Sure, the relatively tiny fraction of Mac devs who have boxes on store shelves will see a larger cut at 70% over what they're getting now. But not only is that a tiny number of products when compared to the Mac ecosystem as a whole, being in the App Store isn't anything like being on the shelf at a physical store: in the App Store your app is just one in a million that you hope the user will stumble across when searching.

In that regard, it's not much better than relying on Google right now, and arguably worse since you have less control over your SERPs.
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post #114 of 176
10/21/10 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by ktappe View Post

"cannot install code or resources in shared locations."

OS X is a multi-user environment. It drives me nuts when I install an app as one user and the next user logs in and cannot run the app because the installer put all the config. files in ~/Library instead of /Library. This clause, strictly interpreted, means apps can no longer store their data in/Library. It remains to be seen if that's how Apple reviewers will interpret it. \

"Apps that do not run on the currently shipping OS will be rejected."

So utilities that fix deficiencies in older OS'es or make older OS's more tolerable (Onyx comes to mind) are now verbotten? Nice, Apple. \

"Apps that are set to auto-launch or to have other code automatically run at startup or login without user consent will be rejected."

That would preclude any font managers (Suitcase, UTC, etc.) that need to run at launch so they precede any apps that need fonts.

This is indeed a rather massive pile of fail, as another poster said.

Suitcase would probably be fine, the key is "without user consent". Which means all it has to do is ASK the user first. However, if I'm understanding everything the fact Suitcase installs a preference pane would preclude it from being accept since that goes in A) a shared location and B) is not part of a "single app bundle".

The other thing is what about applications that install "content" like sound effects etc. These cannot be "bundled" in the app and must be installed someplace else, preferably someplace shared so all users can get to it!
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post #115 of 176
10/21/10 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by MaddogTurbo View Post

The "store" looks like it's a bad idea, a really, really bad idea, and clearly, in my opinion, even the quotes coming from Apple haven't been well thought out.....just like the list of requirements!

Did you dust off an iOS app store rant? Because it looks awfully familiar. Again, quoting and saving for posterity. Let's meet back here in a year and see how things work out...

And while I find the sudden concern for the poor developers charming (we must think of the children, er, developers after all!) I also find the timing a bit disingenuous if not downright fascinating.
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post #116 of 176
10/21/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by MaddogTurbo View Post

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I don't have Apple's sales figures, so let's just take some median numbers, shall we??? Let's let "hundreds of thousands" of Mac developers be equal to 500,000, and let's let "tens of millions" of Mac users be equal to 50,000,000.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that each one of these 50,000,000 buyers goes out and buys 1 application from each of these 500,000 developers. That equates to:
50,000,000/500,000=100 copies sold. By God...your rich!!!

50,000,000 (buyers) x1(app) x500,00 (developers) = 25,000,000,000,000 .... a bit more than 100. Either you're using a "new kind of math" or I'm still half asleep ..... which is it?

Newbee says:  Using a Mac "inspires" you, using all others just ... tires you.  

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Newbee says:  Using a Mac "inspires" you, using all others just ... tires you.  

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post #117 of 176
10/21/10 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

i bet they will though.

No they won't. Complex applications that install files outside their own bundle are not eligible for inclusion in the store.

So MS Word, for example will never be in the app store because it installs fonts on your computer.
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post #118 of 176
10/21/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

50,000,000 (buyers) x1(app) x500,00 (developers) = 25,000,000,000,000 .... a bit more than 100. Either you're using a "new kind of math" or I'm still half asleep ..... which is it?

Uuuuh, more developers doesn't make more sales. I thought his point was $ going into a developer's pocket (in which case he needs to multiply it by 0.7, then 0.7 again due to Apple's with-holding BS).

Neither of your maths is working.

Again, are any developers outside of iPhone development salivating at this proposal? Sure, iPhone devs have already been brow-beaten to think this is already fair, but Mac devs know better.
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post #119 of 176
10/21/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

No they won't. Complex applications that install files outside their own bundle are not eligible for inclusion in the store.

So MS Word, for example will never be in the app store because it installs fonts on your computer.

Even if there was no policy against that, you won't see any non-Apple flagship products in the app store given the revenue split.

When MS sells you Office, your money goes directly into their account, not some Apple bank. Not only are their costs lower, but they handle their own taxes and pocket nearly all of it. Everyone else gets shafted by Apple and the IRS.

Expect to see a lot of freeware and silly gimmicks on the app store. A race to the bottom. For useful commercial apps it will be an abysmal failure.

I know Steve's wet dream is to sandbox the OS and only allow app store installs. It won't happen with Lion, but at some point there will be a sanitized iMac-OS like the iOS only for desktop Macs and it will be sandboxed and made to run on cheap hardware (possibly a netbook?). It won't be installed on Mac Pros initially (if they even exist at that point), but the beginning of the end will be clear.

Hopefully by then the patent system will die and some other megalomaniac billionaire will come out with something all together better (perhaps an OS without a filesystem) and we can run OS X in a VM and move on.
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post #120 of 176
10/21/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by ktappe View Post

I'm glad you undermined your own post by putting "will" in quotes, meaning that you don't really think they will benefit the user. (quotes <> bold) Y'see, there are several clauses in there that really won't benefit end users at all.

Ok, dude.

DaHarder just got banned. Let's crack open the champagne.

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DaHarder just got banned. Let's crack open the champagne.

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