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Early reviews of Microsoft's re-entry into the smartphone operating system market have been impressed with some of Microsoft's user interface decisions, but see the company as having a long way to go to catch up to Apple's iPhone.

Major media outlets and blogs began posting on Wednesday mostly mixed reviews of Microsoft's new mobile operating system, which is set to launch in the U.S. on Nov. 8.

Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal called the interface "novel and attractive," but noted that it was missing several key features, including copy and paste, visual voicemail, third-party app multitasking and video calling. Mossberg points out that Apple and Google, with a several year head start on Microsoft, have had plenty of time to incrementally add features to their mobile operating systems. Microsoft has said that a copy and paste add-on is in the works, but, for now, Mossberg isn't ready to recommend Windows Phone 7 as "on par" with iPhone or Android.

Microsoft is experiencing similar version 1.0 issues as Apple did when it first released the iPhone in 2007. The original iPhone lacked copy and paste and multitasking until the Cupertino, Calif., company added the features in later versions of its iOS software. Video calling was added to the iPhone this summer through the FaceTime standard on the iPhone 4.

Mossberg isn't the only journalist to express doubt about the new Windows handsets. Associated Press technology writer Rachel Metz found Windows Phone 7 "pleasantly easy to use" because of its tight consumer focus, calling it good but not phenomenal. Metz doubts that Microsoft's innovations will be enough to sway consumers, who have been exposed to ads for iPhone and Android for years.

In their reviews, both Metz and Mossberg expressed concern over the dearth of apps in Microsoft's app store, dubbed Marketplace. At the time of review, Marketplace had "just a few hundred apps" listed. Microsoft promises to add "hundreds" of apps every week before the end of the year, but the Redmond, Wash., software giant will be hard-pressed to catch up to Apple's App Store, which boasts over 300,000 apps.

Several blogs were hesitant to recommend Windows Phone 7 because of the features it is missing. In its review, Engadget felt that there were "holes" in the OS and that the OS was "a good year behind market leaders right now." Author Joshua Topolsky noted having trouble with third-party apps, especially news readers, crashing. Windows Phone 7 doesn't exactly have the "fit and finish of a fully realized product," wrote Topolsky.

MobileCrunch was also unable to recommend the Windows Phone 7 in its current state, saying the "a pretty face" is the only thing that WP7 offers over its competition. The reviewer notes a number of positive aspects of Microsoft's new mobile OS, saying "what it does, it does pretty dang well." However, in the end, author Greg Kumparak can't get past the fact that people have been complaining about these missing features on the iPhone and Android for years.

Analysts have characterized the Windows Phone 7 release as a "last-ditch attempt" to regain its footing in the mobile space. Microsoft's Chief Software Architect resigned earlier this week, just a week after the company's unveiling of its Windows Phone 7 lineup was met with a lukewarm response.
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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.
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This is a new venture for Microsoft and they lack the expertise in this category to immediately come on board with a home run. APPLE, RIMM all had the same problem.
I'm surprised that basics like Visual Voicemail, Cut-Copy-Paste features are not in their smartphone.
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Windows 3.1 wasn't as good as Mac either, but eventually Windows '95 came out. And Lord knows Microsoft have enough money to just keep on going as long as they have to.
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Not a good start for Microsoft

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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either.

Yeah, but this isn't 2007 any more. The iPhone and Android have been on the scene for years now.

You can't come out to where your competitors were years ago, you have to come out ahead of them. That MS could release a phone without copy and paste in 2010 (late 2010 at that!) just boggles...
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Not surprisingly, the article puts a slant on the reviews which is not entirely accurate. The reviews have generally been positive, with Mossberg's being the most negative (big surprise there), while noticing the absence of some features in the current release.

For example, the Appleinsider article implies that Engadget did not particularly like WP7, and would not recommend it.

Here is the summary of the Engadget review, which paints a very different picture.


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Originally Posted by Engadget

In our original preview, we said that Windows Phone 7 didn't quite feel like a complete smartphone OS yet. We'd like to come back and report that it finally has the fit and finish of a fully realized product, but that isn't exactly the case. Don't get us wrong: there's a lot to like or even love in WP7. Microsoft has done an outstanding job with lots of aspects of this UI, particularly when it comes to navigation and ease of use -- but there are holes here as well. It still feels like the company is a good year behind market leaders right now, and though it's clear the folks in Redmond are doing everything they can to get this platform up to snuff, it's also clear that they're not there yet.

But that isn't -- and shouldn't be -- a deterrent to taking a close look at the handsets being offered. Microsoft isn't walking away from Windows Phone 7 anytime soon, and the company has created an incredibly promising base set of features to build off of. With terrific Zune and Xbox Live integration, a fast and smart method of getting around the OS, great Office and email experiences, and a genuinely beautiful and useful user interface, Microsoft has definitely laid the foundation for the next several years of its mobile play. Now it's time to get the upper floors finished.
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And Lord knows Microsoft have enough money to just keep on going as long as they have to.

Really? Just how long can MS both piss away profits on unsuccessful venters and milk their cash cows without expanding them?

MS isn't going to fold up tomorrow, but they don't have unlimited time or resources either...
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AnandTech has a great in-depth write up on WP7 and a few handsets theyve tested.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/w...hone-7-review/ Except for iE lacking in a major way and the appearance of oversized text I really like what MS has done and the results they have achieved. Impressed, really. I hope Apple can copy some of the minimalist aspects for their next version of iOS.


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Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.

Really? I am sure iPhone OS 1.0 was written about quite a lot. In fact, it was so popular and revolutionary that MS made the Zune to compete with the iPod Touch, BB created a a touch-based OS, Android realized that chasing WM6 and BB OS was no longer the tail they had to chase, and Nokia, Moto and many other HW vendors found themselves faltering when the world realized that they the problem with smartphones wasnt the HW, but the software. No, iPhone OS was quite revolutionary for when it was first demoed and released. It was a desktop OS shrunk and rethought for a new I/O.
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Actually I will disagree there...if you don't mind. iOS 1.0 CHANGED THE ENTIRE MOBILE PHONE BUSINESS. It created the feature set that every other manufacturer is killing themselves to recreate.

Not much to write home about? Really? Do you remember what 'smartphone' software and the user experience was before the iPhone? Horrible and more horrible.That copy and paste came later as an update is a meaningless bit of trivia. Just go back and look at what other phones were doing. You know, all the other touch screen phones at the time...(silence)

Got better over time? Geez, if you think so.

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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.
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AnandTech has a great in-depth write up on WP7 and a few handsets they’ve tested.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/w...hone-7-review/ Except for iE lacking in a major way and the appearance of oversized text I really like what MS has done and the results they have achieved. Impressed, really. I hope Apple can copy some of the minimalist aspects for their next version of iOS.

Yes, AnandTech did like WP7, and was quite positive. They are a good, relatively unbiased site for information.
I found this statement from the site quite telling.

[/QUOTE]Windows Phone 7 is a significant departure from anything Microsoft has ever done in the past, from a UI standpoint that is. In my opinion it’s more beautiful than anything else on the market today - including Apple’s iOS. That’s a big statement for anyone to make about Microsoft, a company that has tried so very hard to prevent Apple’s increasing market share but always seemed to be at least one step behind in the user experience department. The Windows Phone 7 user experience is a big enough step forward to not only build a lot of faith in Microsoft’s mobile strategy, but also to give hope that future versions of the Xbox and desktop Windows OSes may be just as impressive.[/QUOTE]



So far, I like what I see. The reviews of the beta Zune sync app look promising but it will only let you sync music, movies, TV and photos, so its utility is somewhat limited.
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Who is going to buy a Windows phone, when Windows carries a 90% corporate IT/institutional computing place in peoples minds?

X-Box integration? Appeals only to a portion of the serious gaming audience. And is that enough to make you buy a phone?

Blackberry already has a huge presence in corporate IT. Android wants to be everything for everybody. Apple sells what Apple sells. WEB/OS from HP is back in the wild soon.

The market is not there. Even when they start to give them away, or go two for 1. Between BB, Android and Apple (and WEB/OS) there is no one outside of Microsoft headquarters who cares about a Windows Phone...I can't see what they can do to change this. Innovation is not one of Microsofts strengths. They DO have strengths, but innovation is not one of them. Consumer electronics is not one of them. Mobile platforms has NOT been one of them. So other than giving them away in some form (in other words using all their money to try and buy market - dropping price, paying people to use them) what part of Microsoft's DNA will allow this product to become anything but a 'me-to'?

This is a serious issue for Microsoft. It's a huge problem that they have no expertise that allows them to develop a unique product. They have used overwhelming size to dominate the clone PC market, and face it, their systems were bought not by people who loved them, but by large corporate entities because of millions of 'Microsoft certified' single guys out there who supported and maintained the systems.

I'm being a bit snarky, but the issue Microsoft faces is a big one.

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Windows 3.1 wasn't as good as Mac either, but eventually Windows '95 came out. And Lord knows Microsoft have enough money to just keep on going as long as they have to.
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Yes, AnandTech did like WP7, and was quite positive. They are a good, relatively unbiased site for information.

So far, I like what I see. The reviews of the beta Zune sync app look promising but it will only let you sync music, movies, TV and photos, so its utility is somewhat limited.

1) They do seem to miss some points that I think they and their readers dont easily consider as value or costly. For instance, they recently reviewed the 13 MBP as a Windows machine. The reviewer raved about the construction, the battery life, the display (which is worlds above any other notebook they tested), the Nvidia 320M, the keyboard and a lot of other little aspects of the device, but in the end it was pooh-poohed as being costly because it has a C2D in it even though the C2D+320M likely costs more than the Core-i3+IntelHD, and it was said that because other vendors can put a Core-i3+dGPU in the same footprint that Apple should be able to as well, while ignoring the total internal space and battery reduction that would ensue. Personally, I wouldnt have bought my 13 MBP if they had gone with a new CPU but used the crappy IntelHD or reduced the battery life to add an extra chip. I have plenty of CPU power, its the other components that have been lacking. So, I dont think they see the biggest picture at times, just the old-school hobbyist philosophy where space and power wasnt an issue.

2) They had issues with the OS X sync software. I assume that will get resolved pretty quickly.
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Who is going to buy a Windows phone, when Windows carries a 90% corporate IT/institutional computing place in peoples minds?

X-Box integration? Appeals only to a portion of the serious gaming audience. And is that enough to make you buy a phone?

Blackberry already has a huge presence in corporate IT. Android wants to be everything for everybody. Apple sells what Apple sells. WEB/OS from HP is back in the wild soon.

The market is not there. Even when they start to give them away, or go two for 1. Between BB, Android and Apple (and WEB/OS) there is no one outside of Microsoft headquarters who cares about a Windows Phone...I can't see what they can do to change this. Innovation is not one of Microsofts strengths. They DO have strengths, but innovation is not one of them. Consumer electronics is not one of them. Mobile platforms has NOT been one of them. So other than giving them away in some form (in other words using all their money to try and buy market - dropping price, paying people to use them) what part of Microsoft's DNA will allow this product to become anything but a 'me-to'?

This is a serious issue for Microsoft. It's a huge problem that they have no expertise that allows them to develop a unique product. They have used overwhelming size to dominate the clone PC market, and face it, their systems were bought not by people who loved them, but by large corporate entities because of millions of 'Microsoft certified' single guys out there who supported and maintained the systems.

I'm being a bit snarky, but the issue Microsoft faces is a big one.

except that every review out there says that the UI is innovative, different, easy to use and fast. A large percentage of people still view MS through the lens of M$, and all the rest of the pejorative terms (not entirely without cause). However, this might be a mistake, because all of the indications are that MS is slowly changing its course. We shall see what happens.
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Really? Just how long can MS both piss away profits on unsuccessful venters and milk their cash cows without expanding them?

MS isn't going to fold up tomorrow, but they don't have unlimited time or resources either...

What choice do they have though? Whereas in the past, people did all their computing on a PC, now they have 2 or 3 computing devices, and use the one best matched to the task. If MS fail at this, it means resigning themselves to being desktop only, which means being much smaller fry than they have been in the past.

No, I think they will just keep spending like there's no tomorrow to ensure they get *some* chunk of the phone/tablet space.
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1) They do seem to miss some points that I think they and their readers dont easily consider as value or costly. For instance, they recently reviewed the 13 MBP as a Windows machine. The reviewer raved about the construction, the battery life, the display (which is worlds above any other notebook they tested), the Nvidia 320M, the keyboard and a lot of other little aspects of the device, but in the end it was pooh-poohed as being costly because it has a C2D in it even though the C2D+320M likely costs more than the Core-i3+IntelHD, and it was said that because other vendors can put a Core-i3+dGPU in the same footprint that Apple should be able to as well, while ignoring the total internal space and battery reduction that would ensue. Personally, I wouldnt have bought my 13 MBP if they had gone with a new CPU but used the crappy IntelHD or reduced the battery life to add an extra chip. I have plenty of CPU power, its the other components that have been lacking. So, I dont think they see the biggest picture at times, just the old-school hobbyist philosophy where space and power wasnt an issue.

2) They had issues with the OS X sync software. I assume that will get resolved pretty quickly.

The site is not perfect, but it is relatively unbiased in terms of the whole MS - Apple thing. So for example, Thurrot extolling WP7 has to be taken with a grain of salt, as does Mossberg not liking it.

As to the sync software, it is in private beta so buggy is to be expected. One site said a public Beta would be out on Oct. 24th
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In their reviews, both Metz and Mossberg expressed concern over the dearth of apps in Window's app store, dubbed Marketplace. At the time of review, Marketplace had "just a few hundred apps" listed. Microsoft promises to add "hundreds" of apps every week before the end of the year, but the Redmond, Wash., software giant will be hard-pressed to catch up to Apple's App Store, which boasts over 300,000 apps.
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Just made some funny calculation that made me laugh. Lets say they really ad hundreds of apps every week, or lets just assume they ad 300 apps per week. They will need 1000 weeks to catch up. I wonder where Apples App Store will be after 20 Years.
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You know what'd be awesome? If Consumer Reports recommended Windows Phone 7. Because they have their priorities straight

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Actually I will disagree there...if you don't mind. iOS 1.0 CHANGED THE ENTIRE MOBILE PHONE BUSINESS. It created the feature set that every other manufacturer is killing themselves to recreate.

Not much to write home about? Really? Do you remember what 'smartphone' software and the user experience was before the iPhone? Horrible and more horrible.That copy and paste came later as an update is a meaningless bit of trivia. Just go back and look at what other phones were doing. You know, all the other touch screen phones at the time...(silence)

Got better over time? Geez, if you think so.

You're disagreeing that iOS has improved over the years?
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Really? I am sure iPhone OS 1.0 was written about quite a lot. In fact, it was so popular and revolutionary that MS made the Zune to compete with the iPod Touch, BB created a a touch-based OS, Android realized that chasing WM6 and BB OS was no longer the tail they had to chase, and Nokia, Moto and many other HW vendors found themselves faltering when the world realized that they the problem with smartphones wasnt the HW, but the software. No, iPhone OS was quite revolutionary for when it was first demoed and released. It was a desktop OS shrunk and rethought for a new I/O.

What I think he is talking about is multi-tasking and copy and paste for example, or the app store which the reviewers are writing about (somewhere someone wrote that the App store opened with 500 apps, with many of the being of the fart app variety.
post #20 of 140
I would like to see a review by an xbox 360 gamer as they will probably be the highest percentage of buyers.
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.

Whatever man! Iphone out the box was a beast with its media ecosystem. Gimme a break. MS is huge and could have incorporated all the obvious bells and whistles already. No excuse when you know what should be done.
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Just made some funny calculation that made me laugh. Lets say they really ad hundreds of apps every week, or lets just assume they ad 300 apps per week. They will need 1000 weeks to catch up. I wonder where Apples App Store will be after 20 Years.

There will no doubt be a flood of applications, not that WP7 really needs that many.

If you look at the App Store a vast majority of revenue is shared among a handful of the top applications.

Give me 1% of the most popular App Store applications (3000) and I bet I can cover the needs of a vast majority (like 80-90%) of users.

I'm not saying WP7 doesn't need applications (it does) just that it doesn't need 300,000 to be competitive with iPhone.

It just needs the most popular and high quality applications.

Think that won't happen? Then just have a look at the Game Studio's publishing games for WP7. Gameloft, PopCap, Konami, THQ, Gameloft and EA Games among others. The fact that Microsoft were able to secure these studios for a phone that hadn't even launched is extraordinary and shows a commitment to the platform, an ability to utilize company relationships and a willingness to open the checkbook when needed.

It's going to be an interesting few years!
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Pedantic yes, but it irritated me so I'll point it out...

The apostrophe is in the wrong place Josh Ong:

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In their reviews, both Metz and Mossberg expressed concern over the dearth of apps in Window's app store, dubbed Marketplace.

It should be ...Windows' app store...
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I see a lot of people talking about visual voicemail as a key feature. Is it really? Most iPhone carriers around the world haven't implemented it and there's been no uproar.
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AnandTech has a great in-depth write up on WP7 and a few handsets they’ve tested.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/w...hone-7-review/

I like the AnandTech review.

What I've gathered from reading the various reviews is that Microsoft have got themselves a very solid base for a mobile platform.

The majority opinion seems to be that the base they are building from is at least as good as the base used by other mobile platforms. Quite a few people think that it's better.

The consensus also seems to be that they are missing some of the trimmings. Extra features that are added into the system as it matures and are available in either iPhone or Android because they are mature.

The important thing to note, I think, is that WP7 complaints all seem to revolve around these extra features that will be added in, where a lot of complaints about iPhone and Android revolve around fundamental core issues of the platform (like limited hardware choice or fragmentation).

I've honestly got no idea where WP7 is going to go. My initial impression (which I still hold) was that WP7 was more of a competitor for Blackberry business\\enterprise and partially Android if Google can't get fragmentation under control.

It's going to be an interesting few years!
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Originally Posted by Mark Fearing View Post

Who is going to buy a Windows phone, when Windows carries a 90% corporate IT/institutional computing place in peoples minds?

X-Box integration? Appeals only to a portion of the serious gaming audience. And is that enough to make you buy a phone?

Blackberry already has a huge presence in corporate IT. Android wants to be everything for everybody. Apple sells what Apple sells. WEB/OS from HP is back in the wild soon.

The market is not there. Even when they start to give them away, or go two for 1. Between BB, Android and Apple (and WEB/OS) there is no one outside of Microsoft headquarters who cares about a Windows Phone...I can't see what they can do to change this. Innovation is not one of Microsofts strengths. They DO have strengths, but innovation is not one of them. Consumer electronics is not one of them. Mobile platforms has NOT been one of them. So other than giving them away in some form (in other words using all their money to try and buy market - dropping price, paying people to use them) what part of Microsoft's DNA will allow this product to become anything but a 'me-to'?

This is a serious issue for Microsoft. It's a huge problem that they have no expertise that allows them to develop a unique product. They have used overwhelming size to dominate the clone PC market, and face it, their systems were bought not by people who loved them, but by large corporate entities because of millions of 'Microsoft certified' single guys out there who supported and maintained the systems.

I'm being a bit snarky, but the issue Microsoft faces is a big one.

A big selling point to Corporate types would have to be the ability to sync directly with Exchange and not having to install another piece of infrastructure (RIM stuff) to have secure email. As far as corporate is concerned, uptake of Win Pho 7 can only hurt RIM.
post #27 of 140
Looks like a desirable phone and when they allow gamers to add to their Xbox achievements it will be very popular.
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Looks like a desirable phone and when they allow gamers to add to their Xbox achievements it will be very popular.

I think Xbox "cross over" games will be important as well.

The idea of playing Call of Duty on on Xbox\\PC then playing some kind of related COD game (not necessarily a FPS) on the bus\\train that can unlock weapons or level upgrades when you go home and play the real COD on Xbox\\PC again is a very compelling.

Non-gamers won't understand that. Gamers will be nodding their heads in agreement.

I'll keep saying it. It's going to be an interesting few years!
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I see a lot of people talking about visual voicemail as a key feature. Is it really? Most iPhone carriers around the world haven't implemented it and there's been no uproar.

Well, they should, because it's great. I broke away this summer from the official and only iPhone-provider in Holland, and I miss it every day. Only reason there is no uproar is because most people don't know what they're missing.
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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.

Windows mobile is a brand new platform? What on earth are you talking about. iOS and Android came from an installed user base of nothing less than four years ago, windows mobile is on version SEVEN starting with pocket PC which was released over ten years ago.

And still no copy on paste on this version, they've had enough time to integrate it before now...

Pocket PC 2000
Pocket PC 2002
Windows Mobile 2003
Windows Mobile 2003 SE
Windows Mobile 5
Windows Mobile 6
Windows Mobile 6.1
Windows Mobile 6.5
Windows Mobile 6.5.1
Windows Mobile 6.5.3
Windows Mobile 6.5.5

And they still haven't got it right, Apple are on iOS 4 (just) as many major revisions in as many years and are already ahead of windows mobile, which is an established, mature platform with almost ten years of life 'in the wild'.
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I would like to see a review by an xbox 360 gamer as they will probably be the highest percentage of buyers.

Nah, this will be shifted in bulk on contract to big corporations when they upgrade their company cell phones to x-thousand employees. Just as the grey box PCs that are on every desk in every bank, accountants and big grey suited work place - this is why windows market share is so big overall - mass produced, bulk purchases with OEM software installed with little to no profit margin.

I'd like to see figures that separate home/entertainment use from business/corporate use, I'd think Apple's market share of the 'fun' market is significantly higher than the 5% - 20% (depending on which analyst you listen to) market share that Apple is currently estimated to have, especially with the inclusion of iPod touch and iPad.
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Not surprisingly, the article puts a slant on the reviews which is not entirely accurate. The reviews have generally been positive, with Mossberg's being the most negative (big surprise there), while noticing the absence of some features in the current release.

For example, the Appleinsider article implies that Endgadget did not particularly like WP7, and would not recommend it.

Here is the summary of the Endgadget review, which paints a very different picture.


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In our original preview, we said that Windows Phone 7 didn't quite feel like a complete smartphone OS yet. We'd like to come back and report that it finally has the fit and finish of a fully realized product, but that isn't exactly the case. Don't get us wrong: there's a lot to like or even love in WP7. Microsoft has done an outstanding job with lots of aspects of this UI, particularly when it comes to navigation and ease of use -- but there are holes here as well. It still feels like the company is a good year behind market leaders right now, and though it's clear the folks in Redmond are doing everything they can to get this platform up to snuff, it's also clear that they're not there yet.

But that isn't -- and shouldn't be -- a deterrent to taking a close look at the handsets being offered. Microsoft isn't walking away from Windows Phone 7 anytime soon, and the company has created an incredibly promising base set of features to build off of. With terrific Zune and Xbox Live integration, a fast and smart method of getting around the OS, great Office and email experiences, and a genuinely beautiful and useful user interface, Microsoft has definitely laid the foundation for the next several years of its mobile play. Now it's time to get the upper floors finished.



I disagree, I think the AppleInsider article painted an accurate picture of what Endgadget said, based on what I read here and your quote, I don't see a significant difference.

Just adding another opinion.

It's also true to say that while iOS version 1 lacked almost the same features as Microsoft's new phone, Microsoft's is Version 7 and the iPhone 1 brought a revolution in interface, design and standards both in how the hardware was put together and how the software worked with the hardware.
post #33 of 140
This is typical Microsoft, folks: late to the game, nothing compelling to offer.

This whole Windows Phone venture is at best, redundant. At worst, a bad iPhone copy.
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I see a lot of people talking about visual voicemail as a key feature. Is it really? Most iPhone carriers around the world haven't implemented it and there's been no uproar.

Yeah, it's awesome and if people had a chance to use it, they'd be pissed if it wasn't offered. My initial reaction was Holy Crap! Why didn't they think of this before?
post #35 of 140
Windows Phone 7 is terrible. I called it DOA months ago.

1) Take the horrid UI from the failed ipod clone, Zune, and expect it to work on a phone? LOL. Scrolling to the right is always bad. always. UI design 101
2) Take the failed Zune music platform and cram it into a phone and continue to charge a monthly fee for accessing your music. LOL. yeah, that model worked before so continue it.
3) Take the failed Windows CE (it is called WINCE for a reason) and under pin your 'new' OS with it. This is what they did with Windows 7, simply reskin the failed Vista, so this might work, although there is no pent up demand for phone OS
4) Take your failed, proprietary, patent encumbered, Silverlight platform and make it the only way to develop applications
5) Lock all the phones to use the terrible Bing (yes, BING is definitely not google) search engine so Bing looks like people are actually choosing to use it.
6) Lock all the phones to use the terrible Bing Maps rather than let people choose what mapping application they use. Guess Microsoft does not like choice?
7) Only allow your 'partners' to change a couple fugly boxes on the screen. Think the PC cloner world is dull, what distinguishes a HTC from Samsung from <insert generic cloner name here>?
8) On top of that, each generic cloner has to pay the Microsoft tax of ~15 USD for _each_ Windows 7 Phone. Say good bye to any hope for profits. Look for anyone dumb enough to buy a Windows 7 phone, to get ravaged by the phone salesperson who is going to desperately try selling extended warranty, training plans, etc... so the generic cloner can make any money. That is going to be a great experience
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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.

Yeah, but ...err...this isn't version 1.0 - it's like version 7.0

Or did I read that wrong?

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BREAKING NEWS: A brand new platform is not quite yet as good as the far more matured Android and iOS platforms.

Guess what? iOS 1.x wasn't much to write home about, either. But it got better over time. The same with Android. And the same will be true of Windows Phone 7.

The iPhone's release turned the entire mobile market on its head. It was a turning point.

This, however, is yet another attempt by MS to repackage their failed Zune platform.

Late to the game yet again, Microstupid was forced to design around what their competitors are doing due to not only concerns about infringing upon patented IP (something Google doesn't quite understand yet, but that's a different story), but also in a vain attempt to differentiate their offering. Why they think a Zune phone will sell when Zunes didn't is as inexplicable as the Kin or, for that matter, Ballmer himself.
post #38 of 140
It has Office.


Now for some more.


The App store didn't have ANY fart Apps when it opened.

Fart Apps were only added after a huge outcry over "Pull my Finger" being rejected.

The same people whining about that are probably the same people whinging about the App store being "full of fart Apps" over the last couple of years.

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What I think he is talking about is multi-tasking and copy and paste for example, or the app store which the reviewers are writing about (somewhere someone wrote that the App store opened with 500 apps, with many of the being of the fart app variety.

Which one?

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You know what'd be awesome? If Consumer Reports recommended Windows Phone 7. Because they have their priorities straight
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post #39 of 140
Sounds like sort of a mixed bag. Sounds like there is a lot right here but a lot missing as well. Those that must have a msft product will buy this others will go with iPhone or android. Doesn't sound compelling so don't think many will switch because of this.

Maybe if msft took some of their 500 million dollar advertising campaign and spent on actual development, the phone software could compete more readily and they wouldn't have to advertise the heck out of the platform.
post #40 of 140
It seems another MS 'Build it and they will come' assumption like many recent products. MS only exist as a corporation because they were able to copy others and then muscle it to success. Those days are over glad to say.
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