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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

May be true, but if you think that windows 7 pack whatever will be enough to bring win 7 to a coherent multitouch experience, you are the one in insane denial. It's a pathetic strategy, one that sheds light into the complete lack of sense from MS. They know this by now, having almost shipped a revamped win mobile version that is totally unlike windows itself. Perhaps they will take another 3 years to figure out that win 7 is probably not the ideal OS to bring to tablets... by that time android and iOS will be like 95% of the world market, with hundreds of million tablets being sold per year. Bye bye MS, it was good while it lasted (or not...)

"Don't even bother, half the people here do no research whatsoever and just post typical anti-Microsoft fluff."

Are you trying to prove his point?

What research have you done? Have you EVER used a Win7 tablet? Once?

The posting is typical anti-Microsoft fluff. And the posting is not based upon research. It is all conjecture based upon typical anti-Microsoft fluff.
post #122 of 434
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post

We do know one thing.... it has windows on it....and windows 7 at that. eeek!

I'll diss this tablet for a lot of things but not Windows. Because that is the least of the issues. The slow processor and low ram in a machine meant to be a 'fully functioning computer' is a bigger issue in my book. The up to 5 hours of battery is a bigger issue in my book.

I have to agree with the folks that say that HP and Microsoft don't get it. Apple walked in knowing that a tablet, at this point, wouldn't be a full computer. And they didn't try to make one. It seems like Microsoft just said "whatever Apple did, we'll do the opposite and that will make ours better". So full Windows, USB port, expandable memory, etc.

We'll see once it comes out, but I suspect that the size will be uncomfortable for many programs and the battery life will totally suck. ANd those two things will break the slate
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Originally Posted by edwardryu View Post

hardware on the side of PC is great always. but what they don't know is how to make really acceptable, friendly UI which is totally fit into that device. full windows 7? totally misunderstand to translate what mobile UI should be. just it can't work.

Me, personally, I have no interest whatsoever in a tablet computer that includes only a cellphone OS. I already have an iPhone, and the limitations frustrate me. When I want to use a real computer on the couch, I sure as hell don't use my iPhone. I use my laptop.
post #124 of 434
I guess we shall have to wait for the hands on reviews...

Just like we did for Win Phone 7.. and wow was that underwhelming response predictable.

The predictability of the reviews for HP's Windows 7 Slate is just as great.

It's a knockout DOA product. Why?

Microsoft does not do refined. It does not do small or compact. It does not do elegant. It does not do speedy or quick. It does do bloat, and slow, and buggy.

Good luck with that HP - go back to WebOS and start again before you embarrass yourselves.
post #125 of 434
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Yeah, and this place is full of them. That's the problem here.

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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

I can create an excel spreadsheet and send it to you from my iPhone.

I won't tell you how either.

I know. I've lived through this... but thanks!
post #126 of 434
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

It's really too bad that it runs Windows, but I'm very impressed with the feature set of this product.

There are a lot of things about my iPad that make me think that it is just not quite what it should have been hardware-wise. The HP Slate seems to have addressed most of my concerns. It's got USB, an SD card reader, front and back facing cameras, a lot more RAM, a user accessible file system, and you can use a stylus instead of finger painting like a 2-year-old. That dock/stand combo that docks in landscape mode with a built-in USB hub and HDMI port is brilliant too.



Here's a full comparison prepared by HP:

post #127 of 434
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

and you can use a stylus instead of finger painting like a 2-year-old.

I see a lot of folks make this statement and it makes me laugh.

You CAN use a stylus with an iphone/touch/ipad. Folks do it all the time. Hell I just bought a copy of the new ilife and some other stuff at an apple store yesterday and they handed me a stylus to sign for my credit card on their little touch pay thing

iOS is NOT anti-stylus. It is anti 'you must have a stylus'. By not requiring a stylus for use like in the old days, when you drop your Pogo or whatever by accident, you aren't walking around with a very pretty brick that you can't control, until you get a new one. That's all. But if you want to use something other than your finger, there's lots of choices out there to enjoy
post #128 of 434
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Originally Posted by alandail;1739167


Which do you think works better for usability?

I have no way of knowing, because I have never used the new HP tablet.

Have you?

How about playing web videos, which is a very popular passtime for millions of people. Does the iPad work better?

Got some specific examples from actual experience? Or is this all just fluff?
post #129 of 434
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Originally Posted by maccherry View Post

If HP wants to battle Apple then them mofos need to get busy with their own software, ecosystem, something. Cause the only thing I see is a flat box with windows and intel shoved up its a**. What the hell did HP bring to the table that ain't already on the freaking market?
This is HP's desperate attempt at trying to outdo the ipad when the ipad is already kicking the butts of netbooks running windows. Does HP think we're blind!? C'mon man!
And they say this trash is suppose to be targeted to the enterprise market. Yeah, whatever! The enterprise market already has access to a bevy of high end windows tablets that, by the way, are out of the reach for normal consumer.
Oh and since its windows I'll have to install Nortons right? The ipad has no viruses baby!
Moreover why the hell would I give up iworks for ipad, the app store, a virus free environment and the Apple's world class media ecosystem for some bull**** windows tablet? I don't need the bloat.
Thank you and good night.

You seem to have very particular attitudes. IMO, the vast majority of consumers think different from you.

Anti-virus, for example, usually comes preinstalled, and is a "set it and forget it" background process. And the number of people who use iWork instead of Office is a rounding error.

I think that what is important to you is irrelevant to the typical consumer.
post #130 of 434
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Originally Posted by kevt View Post

. I can imagine there being a few in business for whom the Windows on a Tablet would hold appeal, but relatively few in the consumer marketplace.

The same could have been said about the Mac versus Windows 3.1 circa 1987. How did that work out?
post #131 of 434
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

11 Gigs is insignificant in today's world. Disk space is cheap.

Not when you only have 64gig to play with.
post #132 of 434
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Be happy to. Apple has absolutely no business chaining the iPad to AT&T's 3G network.


Except that they didn't really chain it. they actually left it unlocked so any carrier that steps up to support the tech in the ipad is welcome to do it. Just happens that in the US right now that is only ATT. But anyone is welcome to change that if they like. So who knows what will happen even a week from now
post #133 of 434
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

I don't see why people would buy this over a laptop/netbook?

They will buy it because it is magical. Imagine having the whole internet in your hands!

Likely nobody can possibly know how wonderful it is unless and until they have held it in their hands. Indeed, unless and until posters actually use it, they can't possible experience the User Experience of the new product. And as we know, it is the User Experience that counts for the most of everything.

As of now, all we know is that the tech specs blow away the iPad. But which one is more magical? We don't know yet.
post #134 of 434
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Here's a full comparison prepared by HP:


That looks a little old... Some of the specs on the Slate have bumped up but there's also one that's bumped up A LOT. Check out what engadget had as the price - 549-599. Where they are at now would turn every single iPad version into the red color for threat.

I was really skeptical when Apple put out the iPad about how competitively priced it was since most of the stuff costs more but the fact that nobody seems to be able to make these things even at the same cost Apple must really be doing something right...
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

All done with a stylus....

The device has a capacitive touchscreen. Why would everything have to be done with a stylus? What caused you to conclude that?
post #136 of 434
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Originally Posted by peter02l View Post


What is exactly in this product that Apple might feel compelled to compete against?

The ability to watch web videos of one's choice? The ability to run regular software, instead of stripped-down apps? The abililty to buy software from the vendor of your own choice, instead of having only one vendor?

Does the HP have an HDMI port? Will it output 5.1 sound? Does it use a standard aspect ratio? Can I use a touchpad when I put it in a dock, so I don't have to stretch my arm to point?

Dunno, but I think that Apple has some room to grow. I think that putting a cellphone OS on a computer was a huge mistake.
post #137 of 434
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

That looks a little old... Some of the specs on the Slate have bumped up but there's also one that's bumped up A LOT. Check out what engadget had as the price - 549-599. Where they are at now would turn every single iPad version into the red color for threat.

I was really skeptical when Apple put out the iPad about how competitively priced it was since most of the stuff costs more but the fact that nobody seems to be able to make these things even at the same cost Apple must really be doing something right...

That troll calls objective poster fan boys but then drops an image that uses HP Advantage and HP threat with false or conveniently removed stats. Where is the iPad advantage or iPad threat. Can we ban this guy already for mucking up the forum? Id like to get back to having reasonable discussions with reasonable people.
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post #138 of 434
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Except that they didn't really chain it. they actually left it unlocked so any carrier that steps up to support the tech in the ipad is welcome to do it. Just happens that in the US right now that is only ATT. But anyone is welcome to change that if they like. So who knows what will happen even a week from now

What's the difference? It doesn't work on all carriers right now.

If you are a business person and you are on the road and need to stay connected and you work in an area with poor ATT coverage, you will not buy an iPad and you may get this HP thing with the USB port. That is bad for Apple's business which affects the stock holders.

Get it?
post #139 of 434
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Total, unmitigated fail.

I thought HP canned this idea months ago.

Typical solution when your product can't compete with the iPad: just say it's aimed at the "business" crowd.

Exept they're getting in on the iPad, too.

Stupidity runs high in corp. IT. They have tunnel thinking, and will see this as a device that will fit right in with their existing provisioning systems - which it will since it's full Windows, the fact that it's usability is dismal is unimportant. I'm sure HP will sell lots of these to companies who want to be 'hip' but where IT dictates Windows.
post #140 of 434
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That troll calls objective poster fan boys but then drops an image that uses HP Advantage and HP threat with false or conveniently removed stats. Where is the iPad advantage or iPad threat. Can we ban this guy already for mucking up the forum? Id like to get back to having reasonable discussions with reasonable people.

Everyone has being doing an admirable job of ignoring this fool over the last few days. I just don't understand why anyone would spend their time day after day trolling any forum. It's just weird.

As far as the Slate is concerned... it will certainly appeal to some but it certainly won't sell millions per month. My guess... it will crash quite often and drive users nuts... but we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

Windows 7 32bit 14gb
Windows 7 64bit 20gb

OS X 10.6.4 9gb

My install of MacOS X 10.6.4 is 11.07GB - still less than Windows if your numbers are accurate. I don't know how you got only 9GB unless you've removed stuff.
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Using "business" in your marketing copy causes a Pavlovian response among the IT departments of the world...



So true, so true!
post #143 of 434
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

As far as the Slate is concerned... it will certainly appeal to some but it certainly won't sell millions per month. My guess... it will crash quite often and drive users nuts... but we'll see.

yeah, Im sure some find it ideal for their needs but lets call it what it is, its a netbook in tablet form and thats not an easy pill to swallow, especially at that price.

Furthermore, a major argument for the netbook and against the iPad for the past year has been the lack of a physical keyboard. So what market wants a netbook sans the keyboard at 2-3x the price? How big is that market?
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post #144 of 434
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Yeah, and this place is full of them. That's the problem here.

I can put up with that. No problem.

But someone said that a poster should be banned for posting a document prepared by HP that shows a comparison between the products.

That is going way too far.
post #145 of 434
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

The device has a capacitive touchscreen. Why would everything have to be done with a stylus? What caused you to conclude that?

Because the tablet runs Windows 7 and Windows 7 isn't designed for you to interact with via your fingers. Just try touching the maximize button in the corner of a window with your index finger. You might get lucky and maximize it, or you might minimize it, or you might close it altogether. iOS is designed from the ground up to be able to work with a pointing device as large as a finger. Windows 7 isn't. To navigate many of the UI features in Windows you need something with a much finer point than a finger.
post #146 of 434
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Originally Posted by Aeolian View Post

As a buisnes owner, and you know what your talking about, will this run my office software? It's a simple question, and I'm sure you have a lot of answers, but I just need a yes or no. You're the guys that know what's up with this stuff. My guys are using excell on their iPad. Should I buy more of them, or this? It's windows, so it should work with everything else I have right?

"Run my office software" is NOT a yes or no question.

Asking the right question is often a prerequisite to getting a useful answer.

The right question would be "how quickly and smoothly will it run M$ Word"? or whatever specific software you are wondering about.

And nobody here has any answers to that question.

Wait for some hands-on reviews if you want anything better than uninformed guesses.
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Originally Posted by mytdave View Post

My install of MacOS X 10.6.4 is 11.07GB - still less than Windows if your numbers are accurate. I don't know how you got only 9GB unless you've removed stuff.

1) How are you basing your numbers of Mac OS X? The total files on a Restore Disc, a retail copy of SL, a fresh install or what your drive is current using? Are you using Base-2 or Base-10 (Note: That Apple moved to Base-10 for the representation in user space for SL)?

2) Note that the SL and iLife installers are contained on an 8GB USB stick for the new MBAs.

3) Just to make sure Ive covered all the bases, if were comparing the HP Slate to the iPad to see which has more space for the user to consume we should use iOS for the iPad in a comparison..
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post #148 of 434
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post

We do know one thing.... it has windows on it....and windows 7 at that. eeek!

Can you please elaborate? In my experience, Windows 7 is a very capable operating system. Not as aesthetically pleasing as MacOS X, but just as functional (if not more so).

What exactly does "eeek" mean?
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

I'll diss this tablet for a lot of things but not Windows. Because that is the least of the issues. The slow processor and low ram in a machine meant to be a 'fully functioning computer' is a bigger issue in my book. The up to 5 hours of battery is a bigger issue in my book.

I have to agree with the folks that say that HP and Microsoft don't get it. Apple walked in knowing that a tablet, at this point, wouldn't be a full computer. And they didn't try to make one. It seems like Microsoft just said "whatever Apple did, we'll do the opposite and that will make ours better". So full Windows, USB port, expandable memory, etc.

We'll see once it comes out, but I suspect that the size will be uncomfortable for many programs and the battery life will totally suck. ANd those two things will break the slate

The new 11" MacBook Air is only rated at 5 hours of battery life. Will you denigrate it also?
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Originally Posted by Jon T View Post

I guess we shall have to wait for the hands on reviews...

Just like we did for Win Phone 7.. and wow was that underwhelming response predictable.

The predictability of the reviews for HP's Windows 7 Slate is just as great.

It's a knockout DOA product. Why?

Microsoft does not do refined. It does not do small or compact. It does not do elegant. It does not do speedy or quick. It does do bloat, and slow, and buggy.

Good luck with that HP - go back to WebOS and start again before you embarrass yourselves.

I disagree - at least as far as your comment about Windows Phone goes. I like what I've seen so far. I find the interface quite elegant (except maybe for the Start page).
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Originally Posted by A Grain of Salt View Post

Not when you only have 64gig to play with.

Good point. I probably would not buy an expensive device that had so little storage.

But I would imagine that, unlike the iPad, a user could just plug in a stick of memory or a huge external drive, and the internal memory limitations would be less important. For example, one could put an entire project on a single stick. One could carry lots of sticks in the case without any extra bulk.

Or one could plug in a big drive, and easily drag and drop everything needed for a meeting in moments.

I don't like the idea of a computer with so little memory. But with the ability to add to memory without any stupid adapter cables, it is likely less of an issue than with a more limited device like the iPad.
post #152 of 434
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Originally Posted by Loptimist View Post

all i want to know is battery life of this device.

everything else, i can tolerate.

nothing worth tolerating on this overpriced turkey.
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

The new 11" MacBook Air is only rated at 5 hours of battery life. Will you denigrate it also?

One has “up to 5 hours” when you put the display brightness to its lowest settings and don’t open any apps, and the other has “5 hours of wireless productivity” with a history of battery times that typically meet or exceed specs when tested by independent reviewers.

Why not compare it to the iPad since they are both tablets. The iPad gets “10 hours of video” and I believe Pogue got about 11.5hours of video on his. Which do you think the average user would prefer?

PS: I decided that neither MBA was for me because the battery life didn’t fit my needs.
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post #154 of 434
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Originally Posted by mytdave View Post

Stupidity runs high in corp. IT. They have tunnel thinking, and will see this as a device that will fit right in with their existing provisioning systems - which it will since it's full Windows, the fact that it's usability is dismal is unimportant. I'm sure HP will sell lots of these to companies who want to be 'hip' but where IT dictates Windows.

Please define "dismal".
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I stopped reading the article at "...digital stylus pen."

In related news: Digging up my US Robotics Palm Pilot, circa 1997.
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Originally Posted by mytdave View Post

My install of MacOS X 10.6.4 is 11.07GB - still less than Windows if your numbers are accurate. I don't know how you got only 9GB unless you've removed stuff.

iOS is based on MacOS X. Do you believe all of MacOS X is installed on your iPhone? Why do you assume all of Windows 7 will be installed on a tablet?

Of course this does lead to a question. Why Windows 7? As a user, you might want a Windows 7 based tablet because of all the applications certified to run on that OS. But in a stripped down environment, is there any guarantee all those apps will run? I think vendors will have to rebuild their apps for this new environment. They will probably have a head start since the apps already exist and already run under Windows 7. But they'll still have to do some work to make them run on a tablet.
post #157 of 434
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Originally Posted by gerald apple View Post

HP will never even come close in sales to the i pad.They quality control and customer service stinks.

HP has good quality and customer service. They'll sell a bunch of these to unenlightened corp. IT weenies, but they'll probably never come close to iPad sales because of the nature of their device (keyboard-less PC w/Windows). The story may be different if/when HP ships a decent tablet with WebOS.
post #158 of 434
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

lets call it what it is, its a netbook in tablet form

What does this mean? Please elaborate.
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Originally Posted by Iphtashu Fitz View Post

To navigate many of the UI features in Windows you need something with a much finer point than a finger.

Have you ever read this forum on an iPhone? I need to constantly resize in order to use, for example, the page number buttons.

Yes, using a small touch-screen can cause the need to resize. Just like in iOS.
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

I can put up with that. No problem.

But someone said that a poster should be banned for posting a document prepared by HP that shows a comparison between the products.

That is going way too far.

You want to ban somebody for saying something that you don't agree with? Because they quote material that you didn't provide yourself? You'd prefer that everyone just wore Apple-supplied blinders?
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