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post #201 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:01am
I don't get this... When Apple developed the iPad, they positioned it as an entertainment device, meant more for content consumption as opposed to full productivity. The HP Slate appears to be more of a tablet netbook with Windows 7, which seems like it's aimed towards people who want more productivity from a tablet. What I don't understand is: if you wanted Windows 7 on something really portable, why you wouldn't get a netbook instead? The lack of a physical keyboard highly reduces the productivity of a tablet, and the underpowered netbook specs and limited flash memory don't go well with a full Windows 7. Sure, the screen will be nicer for when you do want to want watch videos and whatnot, but is it worth it at twice the price of a netbook?
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post #202 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:02am
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This Im aware, but even on the Restore Disc, IIRC, before being installed they take more than 8GB. The new iLife 11 DMG is about 3GB.

Aren't printer drivers in Snow Leopard like at least 2GB. IIRC whenever I install I uncheck printer drivers and that saves at least that amount of space. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #203 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

iOS is based on MacOS X. Do you believe all of MacOS X is installed on your iPhone? Why do you assume all of Windows 7 will be installed on a tablet?

Of course this does lead to a question. Why Windows 7? As a user, you might want a Windows 7 based tablet because of all the applications certified to run on that OS. But in a stripped down environment, is there any guarantee all those apps will run? I think vendors will have to rebuild their apps for this new environment. They will probably have a head start since the apps already exist and already run under Windows 7. But they'll still have to do some work to make them run on a tablet.

iOS is based on, and is a fraction of the size of OS X as lots of stuff is left out. This HP slate is nothing more than a netbook without a keyboard. The information states it has Win 7 home premium installed. So, yes, full Windows is installed (home premium). If your Windows app will run on a netbook, it should also run on this HP slate.
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post #204 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:03am
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I don't get this... When Apple developed the iPad, they positioned it as an entertainment device, meant more for content consumption as opposed to full productivity. The HP Slate appears to be more of a tablet netbook with Windows 7, which seems like it's aimed towards people who want more productivity from a tablet. What I don't understand is: if you wanted Windows 7 on something really portable, why you wouldn't get a netbook instead? The lack of a physical keyboard highly reduces the productivity of a tablet, and the underpowered netbook specs and limited flash memory don't go well with a full Windows 7. Sure, the screen will be nicer for when you do want to want watch videos and whatnot, but is it worth it at twice the price of a netbook?

Bingo.
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post #205 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:08am
Wow, lot of trolling going on. Do they pay by the post like banner ad clicks?

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post #206 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

the ram and processor comparison really don't mean much since they don't run the same software

a good attempt at pointing out a strength which may or may not be there (we all know windows though...)

Here's another comparison chart:

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post #207 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

MacOS X wasn't designed to be accessed via your finger either. But Apple was able to rewrite what is essentially the Finder to be finger accessible for the iPhone. Why do you doubt that Microsoft can't also put a finger-based interface in front of Windows?

Because they haven't done it. Apple rewrote the entire UI, because it's made of modular components in their OS. Windows not so. MS has only written a touch-UI layer that sits atop their regular UI - and coherence breaks down, a lot. And, in regards to the HP slate we're talking about in this thread, the info states it's running HP's touch-UI on top of Windows - third party, not even from MS.
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post #208 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:14am
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Aren't printer drivers in Snow Leopard like at least 2GB. IIRC whenever I install I uncheck printer drivers and that saves at least that amount of space. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought that was one of the things they removed from SL, making printer drivers installable upon demand.
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post #209 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

But in a stripped down environment, is there any guarantee all those apps will run? I think vendors will have to rebuild their apps for this new environment. They will probably have a head start since the apps already exist and already run under Windows 7. But they'll still have to do some work to make them run on a tablet.

Adobe has released a version of Photoshop that runs on the iPad and iPhone.

Intuit has released a version of QuickBooks for the iPad.

Netflix has released a version of their software for the iPad and iPhone.

None of these apps existed before the iPhone/iPad was available. Apple didn't have to kludge together a version of OS-X for these devices so that existing versions of these products could run on iPads when they first became available. So the vendors had to do some work to make these versions run on a tablet - big deal. Making yet another kludge to shoehorn a desktop OS and all the desktop apps onto a PC the size of a tablet is not a viable long term solution. Microsoft has attempted this how many times now? What makes this attempt any different when the OS is essentially still the same?
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post #210 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:31am
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I think that's the battery....



Stylus = fail. But then Windows is going to need a stylus, so Windows = fail too.

A stylus doesn't always equal fail! Especially for people that want to take advantage of built in handwriting recognition in multiple languages that Apple products are sorely lacking. I'd love an iPad, but no handwriting rcognition no go for me. I read and write fluent Japanese and typing in Japanese on the iPad can be infuriatingly slow. Handwriting would be so useful.
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post #211 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:43am
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7. Unless you are one of those extreme Apple fanboys that worships Steve Jobs every night before you go to bed and believe Windows and Linux cause cancer.

There's plenty wrong with Windows 7: the UI is hideous, Control Panel is a clusterfuck, the start menu is a cluster fuck too, Windows Explorer makes Finder look awesome. And my HTPC reset all it's settings last night so I could no longer Remote Desktop into it. It really is just rubbish.

Same pig, different colour lipstick.
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post #212 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by knightlie View Post

I think that's the battery....



Stylus = fail. But then Windows is going to need a stylus, so Windows = fail too.

Well, I'm not an average user by far, but I will be lining up to buy one of these to replace my current HP TouchSmart laptop/tablet.

Stylus=succeed for me.

I have one application, SACRemote, that runs on a PC and I've been waiting for a decent tablet that runs full Windows 7 on which to run it. The TouchSmart has been okay, but it's a bit heavy and cumbersome to use when carrying around in FOH (Front of House) mixing a band.

Yeah, I'd love it if the SAC (Software Audio Console) developer created an iPad application. That, however, isn't going to happen. So something like this will be a godsend for SAC users (granted, not *that* many of us).

I think you'll find that this device will be reasonably successful in its intended market - vertical business applications. It's not a consumer-oriented media consumption device (though some winheads might insist on using it that way just to avoid buying an Apple device). It probably won't sell as well as the iPad (not even close), but I suspect it will be at least as successful as other HP TouchSmart devices (which don't seem to be doing too badly).
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post #213 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:49am
I am so happy, I am getting one asap,

I will partition the disk right away just in case, defragment it once to have a fresh start,
update windows with the most recent patches, install few drivers. And oh! I am a power user,
I will also fine tune my antivirus and firewall settings and change my background.

Connecting to the web will be such a breeze using window's connection manager assistant.
Then I will install my favorite desktop applications. Lets not forget a usb keyboard and mouse
to use them...

Then, here it is ! fully bloated [edit: I meant blown] ms words on windows on my tablet !
Suck that iPad.

[edited for typo]
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post #214 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Let's all continue to bash a product we've never used or even have the full specs on.

The pot calling the kettle black?
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post #215 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:52am
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Here's another comparison chart:


I would be great to show all the screens at the same scale so you can see their relative sizes.
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post #216 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by cummje View Post

A stylus doesn't always equal fail! Especially for people that want to take advantage of built in handwriting recognition in multiple languages that Apple products are sorely lacking. I'd love an iPad, but no handwriting rcognition no go for me. I read and write fluent Japanese and typing in Japanese on the iPad can be infuriatingly slow. Handwriting would be so useful.

The problem with this is that Windows isn't designed for Touch, so you're going to need that stylus all the time, either that or be constantly correcting yourself as you keep touching the wrong controls.
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post #217 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:55am
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The Slate 500 comes with a "digital stylus pen"

Just curious, do you type with the stylus then?
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post #218 of 434
10/22/10 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by cummje View Post

A stylus doesn't always equal fail! Especially for people that want to take advantage of built in handwriting recognition in multiple languages that Apple products are sorely lacking. I'd love an iPad, but no handwriting rcognition no go for me. I read and write fluent Japanese and typing in Japanese on the iPad can be infuriatingly slow. Handwriting would be so useful.

I was under the impression that the iPad already has Japanese handwriting input. I know they have Chinese.
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post #219 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

I was under the impression that the iPad already has Japanese handwriting input. I know they have Chinese.

On the iPhone they have Japanese and Chinese, Arabic and many others, I'm not sure why they wouldn't have them on the iPad.
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post #220 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:05am
For 799USD I'd rather buy 2 netbooks of better specs. epic fail hp on this part.

I do love your Z800 dual xeon 24 core workstations though as i use one of them for work. HP can do better!
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post #221 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by randyhyde@me.com View Post

It's not a consumer-oriented media consumption device (though some winheads might insist on using it that way just to avoid buying an Apple devic


I'd say that because it:

Has a regular aspect ratio;
Will handle all popular codecs;
Has a USB host port; and
Will play all web videos

it may be the best consumer-oriented media content consumption device currently on the market.

IMO, anything that isn't capable of the above is not something I'd consider buying. But I've been known to think different.

I'll have to wait until these products are mature before I back any of the colts and fillies currently out there.
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post #222 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:32am
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How much is a full installation of OS x in disk space? Itunes? I suspect the the bloatiness of apps is a lot closer than you think.

I think is less than 10 GB but that is for computers. Windows 7 is double or more.
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post #223 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:32am
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And oh! I am a power user, I will also ... change my background.

Good one.
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post #224 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:34am
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I would be great to show all the screens at the same scale so you can see their relative sizes.

Agreed. They missed the chance to easily supply additional information.
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post #225 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by FrdSllS View Post

I am so happy, I am getting one asap,

I will partition the disk right away just in case, defragment it once to have a fresh start,
update windows with the most recent patches, install few drivers. And oh! I am a power user,
I will also fine tune my antivirus and firewall settings and change my background.

Connecting to the web will be such a breeze using window's connection manager assistant.
Then I will install my favorite desktop applications. Lets not forget a usb keyboard and mouse
to use them...

Then, here it is ! fully bloated [edit: I meant blown] ms words on windows on my tablet !
Suck that iPad.

[edited for typo]

What about windows defender updates? Mine Windows computers needs update every day.
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post #226 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:42am
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I would be great to show all the screens at the same scale so you can see their relative sizes.

I was thinking the same thing, but at least the stats are disinterested.
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post #227 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:46am
Atom, the windows 7 dog, a stylus...

What the heck did they buy palm for?

6 months later this is all they can come up with?

I can't believe these guys...
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post #228 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:49am
This tablet will look good... next to Cisco's $600 + $25/month Umi, home video conferencing add-on for HDTV.
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post #229 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

I'd say that because it:

Has a regular aspect ratio;
Will handle all popular codecs;
Has a USB host port; and
Will play all web videos

it may be the best consumer-oriented media content consumption device currently on the market.

IMO, anything that isn't capable of the above is not something I'd consider buying. But I've been known to think different.

I'll have to wait until these products are mature before I back any of the colts and fillies currently out there.

What is a regular aspect ratio? Are you joking?

So does the ipad, check vlc and o player. Just because you are not aware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A usb port is like any other port, the ipad has the camera connection kit too. What would you want to connect via usb anyway when you can connect anything wirelessly. That's like saying a cart is more airy than convertible car.

Ipad has tons of apps that play all web videos too.

Better luck next time.

If you 'd ever actually used an atom on a netbook (let alone a slimmer tablet) you 'd know enough to just look the other.
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post #230 of 434
10/22/10 at 10:55am
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Wow, lot of trolling going on. Do they pay by the post like banner ad clicks?

Lol, probably. Bummer if these guys are not getting paid for all their hard idiotic work, maybe we could start a charity thread for these guys.
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post #231 of 434
10/22/10 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by kakeroat View Post

competition is always good for consumers

No, GOOD competent and innovative competition is good for consumers ... and this new HP tablet is not it. You have over 10 years of failed MS tablets, HOW is this one ANY different? HOW?
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post #232 of 434
10/22/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

The ability to watch web videos of one's choice? The ability to run regular software, instead of stripped-down apps? The abililty to buy software from the vendor of your own choice, instead of having only one vendor?

Does the HP have an HDMI port? Will it output 5.1 sound? Does it use a standard aspect ratio? Can I use a touchpad when I put it in a dock, so I don't have to stretch my arm to point?

Dunno, but I think that Apple has some room to grow. I think that putting a cellphone OS on a computer was a huge mistake.

Non of what you just said applies to the business use of the device which the HP device is targeted to. Businesses aren't picky about vendor choice when buying software. As long as the software they want is available from one vendor, they are good to go. Or, if they are big enough, they write their own software.

The rest, HDMI port, 5.1 sound, whatever you mean by a standard aspect ratio, a dock, cup holder, etc., are not essential features for this kind of a device. The point is Apple does have room to grow and enhance their tablet product line, but this thing from HP has nothing to offer in the form of must-have features that Apple would care about. Well, apart from a camera, which I understand the iPad frame has already the space preconfigured for it.
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post #233 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:02pm
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What is a regular aspect ratio?

On tablets, the regular aspect ratio is 4:3 because the iPad has a near 100% of the tablet market. Of course, its impossible for an aspect ratio to be obsolete, which is oddly how many described it back when it was demoed at the start of the year.
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post #234 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post

We do know one thing.... it has windows on it....and windows 7 at that. eeek!

as much as most, if not all, of us love Apple products, to dismiss Windows 7 so flippantly is an example of absolute ignorance. as for the HP Slate product, it will definitely face strong competition from the iPad and, perhaps, other similar devices in the next year or so.
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post #235 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:12pm
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So does the ipad, check vlc and o player.

Here's the first few reviews from the iStore:

Customer Reviews
does not work

by kon646
Installed it, connected to itunes as directed, loaded files in the shared files window on my MBP, synced.....nothing. iPad VLC app shows no files loaded.

Should be called ALN (Audio LAN Client)

by John Fischetti
I have high hopes for this app, but unfortunately every video i've thrown at it only plays audio.
The video files i've tried are around 700x300px, .avi files averaging around 1.2 - 1.4 gb in size

mkvs make the app crash!

by Xatanas
I love the idea of VLC on the iPad, but after adding different mkvs, the app simply crashes. I tried various combinations and even uploading only them one by one and letting each alone in the app to no avail. Sorry it's just not good enough.
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post #236 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by peter02l View Post

Non of what you just said applies to the business use of the device which the HP device is targeted to.

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HP has nothing to offer in the form of must-have features that Apple would care about. Well, apart from a camera, which I understand the iPad frame has already the space preconfigured for it.


It seems that you consider a camera to be a "must-have" feature for a device to be suitable for business. The iPad does not have a camera.

Do you think that the iPad is not suitable for business use in its current configuration?
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post #237 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by simtub View Post

For 799USD I'd rather buy 2 netbooks of better specs. epic fail hp on this part.

the price for the Slate is higher than i expected

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I do love your Z800 dual xeon 24 core workstations ...

isn't the Z800 a two (2) socket workstation? you must mean 24 logical processors because the X5600 series Xeons are hyper-threaded.
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post #238 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:28pm
For all the people who are mysteriously convinced that we underestimate the Mightyness of Windows 7 at our peril: so why haven't previous Windows tablets, very much like this Windows tablet, never really gone anywhere in the market?

Yes, there are certain vertical markets that use these things, I bet they'll use this one as well. But those sales are a drop in the bucket compared to the iPad market and don't bode to have any bearing on the future direction of tablet computing. As such, it's of passing interest but not particularly noteworthy.

And yes, I know that Windows 7 has New Special Touch Enhancements, but we all know they're modest and not really all that much of an improvement over the previous iterations-- which is why this tablet still comes with a stylus.

Honestly, can anyone give me a reason why this tablet might fare any differently than all the previous Windows tablets? Seems to me that all that's really changed is that now there's an iPad to compare it to, which allows for the usual "Bwa ha Windows is for real work" platform nonsense. Apparently, given its track record, Windows on a tablet is for a very limited type of work.
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post #239 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:38pm
So let me get this straight, HP's new tablet is soley aimed at business and enterprise only, well what use does any enterprise have with a device that is limited in scope such as this thing running a full blown windows 7 operating system? I mean it does not even have a keyboard, an overpriced netbook is all I see here. I'm so glad my purchase of the iPad was a sane one, there truly is nothing else out there that can and will compete with the iPad in the forseeable future.
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post #240 of 434
10/22/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by appl View Post

Here's the first few reviews from the iStore:

Customer Reviews
does not work

by kon646
Installed it, connected to itunes as directed, loaded files in the shared files window on my MBP, synced.....nothing. iPad VLC app shows no files loaded.

Should be called ALN (Audio LAN Client)

by John Fischetti
I have high hopes for this app, but unfortunately every video i've thrown at it only plays audio.
The video files i've tried are around 700x300px, .avi files averaging around 1.2 - 1.4 gb in size

mkvs make the app crash!

by Xatanas
I love the idea of VLC on the iPad, but after adding different mkvs, the app simply crashes. I tried various combinations and even uploading only them one by one and letting each alone in the app to no avail. Sorry it's just not good enough.

Rubish. I have both o player and vlc and they both work great. I don't know if these guys have messed up settings or they are trying to play some 5gb mkv or what? If you think the atom, lol, will play these better be my guest. It's yor money.
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