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post #41 of 434
10/22/10 at 2:58am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

... Typical solution when your product can't compete with the iPad: just say it's aimed at the "business" crowd. ...

Using "business" in your marketing copy causes a Pavlovian response among the IT departments of the world. Especially when you are Microsoft. It's the one area where MS has any profitability, it's admittedly a large market, and that's why MS will never be able to penetrate the consumer market. Because to divert resources to consumer products would risk the all-important Windows + Office enterprise monopoly.

Apple tried to break into the enterprise market in the '90s, especially when John Scully tried to beat IBM at the personal computing game. Didn't work. Now the tables have turned. Apple has broken the consumer market wide open, and iPhone and iPad are breaking into the enterprise market thanks to the robustness and popularity of iOS.

So, naturally, MS is trying to find a toehold in the consumer market. But XBox has lost billions due to horrible hardware design (just Google "General Hardware Failure" ). Zune somehow limps along despite negligible sales. KIN was mercifully killed off after just a few weeks of feature- and sales-challenged existence.

And now Ballmer is making two more enormously costly mistakes: rushing out Windows Phone 7 as a half-baked knee-jerk reaction to the death of Windows Mobile 6, and cramming Windows 7 into a tablet. As if 9 years of mediocrity in tablet computing aren't enough already. Same crap, different shape.

Just exactly how many billions (more) is Microsoft going to shovel into the dumpster fire of their consumer product businesses? It was amusing seeing MS do that a few years ago with Zune. But it's not funny any more. Not even with a clown like Ballmer running the show, and nothing's worse than a clown who isn't funny.

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post #42 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post

We do know one thing.... it has windows on it....and windows 7 at that. eeek!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7. Unless you are one of those extreme Apple fanboys that worships Steve Jobs every night before you go to bed and believe Windows and Linux cause cancer.
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post #43 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:06am
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

You might be onto something, except for the fact that Windows 7 was designed with a touch interface in mind as well, there is a free product that is available which is called "Microsoft Touch Pack for Windows 7"

Don't even bother, half the people here do no research whatsoever and just post typical anti-Microsoft fluff.
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post #44 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:08am
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But XBox has lost billions due to horrible hardware design (just Google "General Hardware Failure" ).

Could you provide evidence that the XBox is *still* a financial hole? They are selling a lot, and I really doubt they aren't already in the green. Kinect will be a huge success too, so I don't think that XBox really counts as a failure. At least they are shipping real products with real impressive innovation, and they will have the possibility (will they have the vision?) to make a similar move of Apple "Back to Mac", and bring kinect technology "back to pc". Yes, multitouch on the vertical screen may be stupid, but kinect tech may bring incredible novelties on the future UIs of operating systems.

I know it's easy to do a big MS landslide of snark remarks, but I think that Xbox really stands out from the general mediocrity provided by MS. Windows 7 is also not really that bad.
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post #45 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:08am
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How much is a full installation of OS x in disk space? Itunes? I suspect the the bloatiness of apps is a lot closer than you think.

That's why Apple was not dumb enough to put in a full desktop OS into iPad.
They got iOS.
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post #46 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by fila97 View Post

That's why Apple was not dumb enough to put in a full desktop OS into iPad.
They got iOS.

OSX Is only 9 GB, windows 7 is 14 GB (32bit) or 20gb (64bit).

That's up to 11 GB of space "saved" by having OSX as opposed to '7
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post #47 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:16am
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Don't even bother, half the people here do no research whatsoever and just post typical anti-Microsoft fluff.

May be true, but if you think that windows 7 pack whatever will be enough to bring win 7 to a coherent multitouch experience, you are the one in insane denial. It's a pathetic strategy, one that sheds light into the complete lack of sense from MS. They know this by now, having almost shipped a revamped win mobile version that is totally unlike windows itself. Perhaps they will take another 3 years to figure out that win 7 is probably not the ideal OS to bring to tablets... by that time android and iOS will be like 95% of the world market, with hundreds of million tablets being sold per year. Bye bye MS, it was good while it lasted (or not...)
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post #48 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:17am
It's ugly
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post #49 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by dazonic View Post

Okay we can all laugh and point and say how shit it is, but the big question for me and more importantly HP is *who the fuck is going to buy this thing?*. I can only think of the geeks of the geeks who hate Apple, and they don't have money.

They'll need the money coz HP charged a $100 premium on it compared to the iPad
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post #50 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

All these destined to fail attempts made me glad I got an iPad as soon as was made available here.

From my iPad

Totally. Here in Malaysia it's been almost a year since the January announcement and no iPads to be seen anywhere officially. Unofficially, there's many. And all these other failblets only now coming to the market, and same if not more expensive? WTF. Screw them.

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Originally Posted by Loptimist View Post

all i want to know is battery life of this device.

everything else, i can tolerate.

I think that's how the slate will be marketed. "HP Slate - The Tablet You Can Tolerate!". It even rhymes! Sing along with me - One two four eight, Hp Slate, the tablet you can to-le-rate...!

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They just don't get it....

It's been a year and nobody seems to get it. Maybe they'll sell lots of these iPad clones, maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it though... Beyond the novelty factor which will wear off after several months?

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Let's all continue to bash a product we've never used or even have the full specs on.

That's what we do here. Seriously though how much more information do we need. Maybe if they told us if it has a custom UI?

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How much is a full installation of OS x in disk space? Itunes? I suspect the the bloatiness of apps is a lot closer than you think.

But they're not trying to fit OSX on an iPad. Just a 11" Mac netbook
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post #51 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:37am
hardware on the side of PC is great always. but what they don't know is how to make really acceptable, friendly UI which is totally fit into that device. full windows 7? totally misunderstand to translate what mobile UI should be. just it can't work.
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post #52 of 434
10/22/10 at 3:54am
It's really too bad that it runs Windows, but I'm very impressed with the feature set of this product.

There are a lot of things about my iPad that make me think that it is just not quite what it should have been hardware-wise. The HP Slate seems to have addressed most of my concerns. It's got USB, an SD card reader, front and back facing cameras, a lot more RAM, a user accessible file system, and you can use a stylus instead of finger painting like a 2-year-old. That dock/stand combo that docks in landscape mode with a built-in USB hub and HDMI port is brilliant too.
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post #53 of 434
10/22/10 at 4:18am
So much fail in this one from HP, they really don't get it do they?
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post #54 of 434
10/22/10 at 4:26am
Things like this might not sell well but it puts a bit of presure on Apple to rev iPad in a decent manner.

I know many on this forum don't want to hear it but iPad has many shortcomings that are very likely due to being a rev one device. It is short on RAM for one thing and anything that is CPU bound is dog slow. Apple has already addressed one of these issues on iPhone and an Cortex A9 CPU can't be far away. So in a way we all ought to be happy that HPand others will keep Apple from dragging its feet.
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post #55 of 434
10/22/10 at 4:33am
Stylus pen? Uggh!
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post #56 of 434
10/22/10 at 4:55am
I consider myself to be an Apple fan, but NOT a fanboy. That being said, my criticism of this device is simple: It seems to me to be exactly like the many, many, failed Windows-based tablets we've seen over the past ten years. To put it simply, iPad is the only device to see any real success in this space. It seems as though ease of use, a library of quality apps that run quickly and natively on the device, incredible battery life, and relative low price are the primary selling points of Ipad. This device seems to (or likely to) fall short of iPad in all these areas.
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post #57 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by mac_dog View Post

"...It's really like a full-function PC, it runs Windows..."

that's all i need to know. bring on the iPad.

yeah, i see this as pure laziness on the part of HP.

how do you compete with a wildly popular consumer product with a custom OS designed to work well with multitouch?

well, if you are HP, here are the steps you follow:
1. give up on making a good OS
2. now that we gave up on that we'll have to throw windows on it because there is no other option
3. since we need to put windows on it the only customer crazy enough to buy a product with a desktop OS being controlled by a touch screen would be a business consumer that needs to spend $700 to have a "new" way to do powerpoint presentations.
4. now that we've established product inferiority the finishing touch is including a stylus!!
5. price it HIGHER than the comparable apple product


HP should have waited and used webOS! what exactly did they buy palm for?


i think it's amazing how the old PC clone maker mentality is screwing apple's competitors. do they really expect to compete with apple if you don't try to design some kind of unique technology? or do they just wait for the next windows version and tell a contractor to throw a touch screen on that bitch and call it a day? so this is going to work better than windows xp tablet PCs....how???

do they not see that the success of the iPad 100% completely and wholly has to do with it NOT having windows on it?
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post #58 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:02am
If it ran Android it might have a chance. Windows? Might as well say the thing has herpes virus on it. Until the new Windows phone OS, MicroSoft has never understood how to design a non-PC OS interface. Flameout in six to nine months. Next!
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post #59 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:09am
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Let's all continue to bash a product we've never used or even have the full specs on.

Most of us have used Windows! That's all I need to know.
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post #60 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:12am
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7. Unless you are one of those extreme Apple fanboys that worships Steve Jobs every night before you go to bed and believe Windows and Linux cause cancer.

typical Microsoft drone/astroturfer post. Yes there are many things wrong with Windows 7.

1) Microsoft - one of the worst companies ever
2) Requires one to run Anti-Virus, Intrusion detection, etc... just to have a tiny illusion of security. Why not just fix your broken OS?
3) Super expensive. How much does it cost? Not to mention the "upgrades" cost
4) How many versions do they need to try and nickel and dime people?
5) The registry
6) Uses proprietary file formats and protocols everywhere rather than use existing standards
7) i could go on for a long time...
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post #61 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:13am
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Six months after the launch of Apple's iPad, HP is ready to launch its Slate 500 tablet device, which will cost $799 and is aimed at business customers.

Several news sites and blogs published details of the product launch Thursday, although the official HP Slate page at www.hp.com/go/slate had yet to go live.

According to Reuters, the HP Slate 500 will fit a full-version of Windows 7 into a 1.5 pound tablet with an 8.9-inch multi-touch screen. With 64GB of Flash storage, the device is $100 more than the comparable 64GB iPad. The tablet will reportedly have a 1024-by-600-pixel resolution.

The Slate 500 comes with a "digital stylus pen" and is equipped with front and rear cameras and a USB port. According to Engadget, the Slate is powered by a 1.86 GHz Intel Atom Z540 processor and 2GB of RAM.



Unlike Apple, which markets the iPad primarily to consumers, HP is stressing the Slate 500's suitability for business users. "It's really like a full-function PC, it runs Windows, it will run your office applications, it just so happens to be in a slate form factor," said Carol Hess-Nickels, director of business notebook marketing at HP.



Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer unveiled the HP Slate at CES in January. Following HP's purchase of Palm, which was primarily for its WebOS, news of the upcoming HP Slate dwindled. HP has since promised a consumer-focused WebOS-based tablet will be released next year.

During Apple's Q4 2010 conference call Monday, Apple CEO Steve Jobs told analysts that rival tablet makers were having trouble matching the iPad's pricing with comparable specs.

"Our potential competitors [in tablets] are having a tough time coming close to iPad's pricing," Jobs said. "iPad incorporates everything we've learned about building high value products. We create our own A4 chip, software, battery chemistry, enclosure, everything. This results in an incredible product at a great price. The proof will be in the pricing of our competitors' products, which will offer less for more."

For a comparison of the Slate versus the iPad, see the chart below.




My guys are already sending in 'stock lists" on the iPad, and I don't know how. They are doing it in excell.... and they won't tell me. This looks even better to me.
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post #62 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:15am
competition is always good for consumers
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post #63 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

OSX Is only 9 GB, windows 7 is 14 GB (32bit) or 20gb (64bit).

That's up to 11 GB of space "saved" by having OSX as opposed to '7

Space is not a factor these days. Only if you can't change what you have.
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post #64 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:22am
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Okay we can all laugh and point and say how shit it is, but the big question for me and more importantly HP is *who the fuck is going to buy this thing?*. I can only think of the geeks of the geeks who hate Apple, and they don't have money.

nobody is going to buy this...

and also i love the memory comparison of the article, like it really means anything...they both run completely different software so it means nothing...we know which is the crappiest of both OSs...

epic fail
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post #65 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:22am
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competition is always good for consumers

True, but this isn't it. This is a lame attempt to cash in Christmas iPad buying frenzy and to confuse grandma when she buys the wrong one as a gift. I recall hearing a Best Buy sales guy saying to an old lady a few years back (before Apple in-store section) "Yes ma'm, this is an iMac type system." As he showed an older lady an iMac look a like from Dell or some such crap.
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post #66 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:24am
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7. Unless you are one of those extreme Apple fanboys that worships Steve Jobs every night before you go to bed and believe Windows and Linux cause cancer.

windows 7 is an unbloated vista...

it has all the problems of the older windows versions (viruses, registry, etc...)

linux is awesome
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post #67 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:27am
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Don't even bother, half the people here do no research whatsoever and just post typical anti-Microsoft fluff.

running an app designed for the desktop but using a "Microsoft Touch Pack for Windows 7" really can't possibly work as well as having all apps UI be custom designed from the ground up for both a touch UI and the specific screen size of the touch device.

Apple's approach involves a bit more work for developers to give users better usability of their apps on their various devices.

The HP/Microsoft answer to an apps UI not being designed from the ground up for touch is to throw a touch layer in there and include a stylus for things too small to hit with your finger. Apple's approach is to require the UI to be rebuilt.

Which do you think works better for usability?

The huge advantage Apple has in all of this is their OS frameworks are build on the object oriented objective-c while Windows 7 still is built with the same C style functions/callbacks from the 80s. Among other things, this makes it tons easier to isolate and replace the UI on a MacOS/iOS app than it is for a windows 7 app. It is insane that in 2010, you still have to have a function like this (that requires a huge switch statement to implement)

LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(HWND hWnd, UINT message, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam)

in your app to draw your apps content in a windows window. That mess should have been deprecated 15 years ago and replaced by a pure object oriented approach.

This is really the core reason Apple is able to destroy Microsoft in the mobile space and continues to chip away at their market share in the desktop market. being object oriented makes the OS easier to evolve, apps easier to write, and UIs easier to isolate and customize.

That, and the fundamental difference where Microsoft thinks "we can't force our developers to rewrite all of their apps to support a touch computer" and apple thinks "we can't allow our developers to not optimize their apps for our new device".
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post #68 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:32am
So this is Windows? It will work with all of my office software?
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post #69 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:35am
I thought this was project was canned. I figured that leak of this device from last month was of an old prototype. There really is a Crtl-Alt-Del button on this thing? Wow!

Since they made it a digitizer, too, they may find a small market for this device, but I’m sure it’s very, very small. It might just to recoup some loses on the engineering without any real hope of being a profitable product in and of itself. The lesser of two loses.

PS: As for those that say that Win7 is awesome and an Atom is powerful enough to make Win7 run like butter, are you the same people that say that the C2Ds with Nvidia 320M in the new MBAs are complete crap?
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post #70 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by Aeolian View Post

Space is not a factor these days. Only if you can't change what you have.

On the contrary, In this tablet, windows takes up 1/3 of the HD.
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post #71 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:40am
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Let's all continue to bash a product we've never used or even have the full specs on.

What are you talking about? It runs Windows. That's all you need to know. That one fact makes any and all other facts and specs completely irrelevant. Window 7 is NOT a touch-based UI. It's not even a great mouse-based UI.
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post #72 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:41am
... and begin the funeral dirge. Goodbye fair iPad. A new generation of bloated, cumbersome, slower, wannabe tablets are on the horizon threatening... uh... nothing? Forget the whole death knell thing. Rock on iPad!!!
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post #73 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:41am
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Six months after the launch of Apple's iPad, HP is ready to launch its Slate 500 tablet device, which will cost $799 and is aimed at business customers.

Several news sites and blogs published details of the product launch Thursday, although the official HP Slate page at www.hp.com/go/slate had yet to go live.

According to Reuters, the HP Slate 500 will fit a full-version of Windows 7 into a 1.5 pound tablet with an 8.9-inch multi-touch screen and a 5-hour battery life. With 64GB of Flash storage, the device is $100 more than the comparable 64GB iPad. The tablet will reportedly have a 1024-by-600-pixel resolution.

The Slate 500 comes with a "digital stylus pen" and is equipped with front and rear cameras and a USB port. According to Engadget, the Slate is powered by a 1.86 GHz Intel Atom Z540 processor and 2GB of RAM.



Unlike Apple, which markets the iPad primarily to consumers, HP is stressing the Slate 500's suitability for business users. "It's really like a full-function PC, it runs Windows, it will run your office applications, it just so happens to be in a slate form factor," said Carol Hess-Nickels, director of business notebook marketing at HP.



Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer unveiled the HP Slate at CES in January. Following HP's purchase of Palm, which was primarily for its WebOS, news of the upcoming HP Slate dwindled. HP has since promised a consumer-focused WebOS-based tablet will be released next year.

During Apple's Q4 2010 conference call Monday, Apple CEO Steve Jobs told analysts that rival tablet makers were having trouble matching the iPad's pricing with comparable specs.

"Our potential competitors [in tablets] are having a tough time coming close to iPad's pricing," Jobs said. "iPad incorporates everything we've learned about building high value products. We create our own A4 chip, software, battery chemistry, enclosure, everything. This results in an incredible product at a great price. The proof will be in the pricing of our competitors' products, which will offer less for more."

For a comparison of the Slate versus the iPad, see the chart below.



HP will never even come close in sales to the i pad.They quality control and customer service stinks.
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post #74 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:41am
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Quote: Originally Posted by djsherly
"How much is a full installation of OS x in disk space? Itunes? I suspect the the bloatiness of apps is a lot closer than you think."

Um, which is likely why Apple doesn't put full OS X on a tablet, which I believe would be the point.

Roseanne Roseannadanna moment.
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post #75 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Goocher View Post

... and begin the funeral dirge. Goodbye fair iPad. A new generation of bloated, cumbersome, slower, wannabe tablets are on the horizon threatening... uh... nothing? Forget the whole death knell thing. Rock on iPad!!!

Wired said it all in this headline this morning ...

"HP Slate: The $800 business netbook without a keyboard.

HP has at last revealed its long-awaited Slate, an 8.9-inch tablet with capacitive multi-touch and running Windows 7.
The Slate, you will remember, was proudly touted by Microsoft's Steve Ballmer as an iPad killer, back before the iPad even existed.
So is this an iPad competitor? No freakin' way."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming....red/index.html

It is a very funny read.
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post #76 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:44am
If HP wants to battle Apple then them mofos need to get busy with their own software, ecosystem, something. Cause the only thing I see is a flat box with windows and intel shoved up its a**. What the hell did HP bring to the table that ain't already on the freaking market?
This is HP's desperate attempt at trying to outdo the ipad when the ipad is already kicking the butts of netbooks running windows. Does HP think we're blind!? C'mon man!
And they say this trash is suppose to be targeted to the enterprise market. Yeah, whatever! The enterprise market already has access to a bevy of high end windows tablets that, by the way, are out of the reach for normal consumer.
Oh and since its windows I'll have to install Nortons right? The ipad has no viruses baby!
Moreover why the hell would I give up iworks for ipad, the app store, a virus free environment and the Apple's world class media ecosystem for some bull**** windows tablet? I don't need the bloat.
Thank you and good night.
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post #77 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:44am
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So this is Windows? It will work with all of my office software?

That depends on the HW requirements of your office SW. Whats the minimum CPU type and speed?
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post #78 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Six months after the launch of Apple's iPad, HP is ready to launch its Slate 500 tablet device, which will cost $799 and is aimed at business customers.

I say kudos to HP for releasing the Slate. Competition is good.
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post #79 of 434
10/22/10 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by kakeroat View Post

competition is always good for consumers

Except this isn't a competitor.
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10/22/10 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7. Unless you are one of those extreme Apple fanboys that worships Steve Jobs every night before you go to bed and believe Windows and Linux cause cancer.

Spot on. +1. Totally agree.
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