or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple: Not preinstalling Flash on Macs ensures users have latest version
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple: Not preinstalling Flash on Macs ensures users have latest version

post #1 of 136
Thread Starter 
Apple has issued an official comment on the lack of preinstalled Adobe Flash on the newly released MacBook Air and all future Macs, saying the change was done to ensure that users always have the latest version of Flash by downloading directly from Adobe.

Earlier this week, when it was discovered the new MacBook Air models ship without Flash installed, some assumed the change was made because of the ongoing rivalry between Adobe and Apple. But Apple spokesman Bill Evans gave Engadget an official comment on Friday saying otherwise.

"We're happy to continue to support Flash on the Mac, and the best way for users to always have the most up to date and secure version is to download it directly from Adobe," Evans reportedly said.

He also went on to say that all Macs in the future will not have Adobe Flash preinstalled, though it was said that some hardware already in the channels may come with Flash.

Apple and Adobe have been at odds in 2010, in a feud that gained considerable steam after Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs published an open letter criticizing Flash as old technology that is unfit for the modern era of mobile computers. Apple does not allow Flash onto its iOS-powered devices, including the iPhone and iPad.

Jobs also revealed that Flash is the number one reason for crashes on the Mac platform. For its part, Adobe fired back and said that any crashes of Flash in Mac OS X are not related to its software, but are instead the fault of Apple's operating system.
post #2 of 136
There you go! No need to freak out.
post #3 of 136
Good explanation. This will force people to get the latest version of Adobe Flash, if they really want Flash support, and not a legacy version that is outdated that came pre-installed with the computer.

I believe this is what Apple will be doing with future versions of Java also. Get the latest version from Oracle (Java developer) instead of relying on an older version from Apple...
post #4 of 136
In other news, Steve Jobs, in a conference call, says that Windows is "open".

In other words, welcome to the new world of Apple double-speak. It's new for Apple to deliberately misdirect the public like this. This process began when, on the day that Facetime was announced, Steve said he'd make it open-source the following day. It still isn't open-source. Here with Flash, how many people won't bother to download the software after they get their Mac? Even if it's 10% of customers, that's still an advantage for HTML5.

Don't trust everything Apple says, anymore, until they do it. The "reality distortion field" is back, and taken to another level.
post #5 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

In other news, Steve Jobs, in a conference call, says that Windows is "open".

In other words, welcome to the new world of Apple double-speak. It's new for Apple to deliberately misdirect the public like this. This process began when, on the day that Facetime was announced, Steve said he'd make it open-source the following day. It still isn't open-source. Here with Flash, how many people won't bother to download the software after they get their Mac? Even if it's 10% of customers, that's still an advantage for HTML5.

Don't trust everything Apple says, anymore, until they do it. The "reality distortion field" is back, and taken to another level.

Jobs said they would go to an open standards body the next day. He did not say that the standards committee would have it reviewed, ratified, and have it delivered on a milled aluminium platter to you the next day.

As for HTML5 being an advantage, its its own advantage for many aspects of modern computing. Heck, there are modern OSes that are built using it and I cant say that about Adobe Flash. Also, Adobe themselves have removed their blinders by actually announcing an HTMl5 video widget.
http://blogs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/2...er-widget.html
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #6 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by studiomusic View Post

There you go! No need to freak out.

puullleezzzzeeeeee

How many will never ever bother to down load flash .

I am happy at the new html 5 coming forth to take over the whole game.


9
whats in a name ? 
beatles
Reply
whats in a name ? 
beatles
Reply
post #7 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Jobs said they would go to an open standards body the next day. He did not say that the standards committee would have it reviewed, ratified, and have it delivered on a milled aluminum platter to you the next day.

I don't even think he said that it was going to be the next day - if memory serves he said in the coming days. Doesn't change much, standards bodies can be real slow.
post #8 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

In other news, Steve Jobs, in a conference call, says that Windows is "open".

In other words, welcome to the new world of Apple double-speak. It's new for Apple to deliberately misdirect the public like this. This process began when, on the day that Facetime was announced, Steve said he'd make it open-source the following day. It still isn't open-source. Here with Flash, how many people won't bother to download the software after they get their Mac? Even if it's 10% of customers, that's still an advantage for HTML5.

Don't trust everything Apple says, anymore, until they do it. The "reality distortion field" is back, and taken to another level.

Whether or not Apple is doing this partially as a competition thing really doesn't matter. What matters most to them is that #1, they believe flash is dying out, which is true. Why should they try to give it life support? And #2, if they bundle it into their OS, then customers expect Apple to support it. They call tech support when something is going wrong, and it goes a little something like this...

Apple tells them, "I'm sorry, but that is a third party application. You need to call Adobe".

Customer says, "But I didn't buy it or download it, it came with the computer!"

Apple says, "Yes that is true, although we just do that as sort of a convenience, but it is not our software." And customer gets upset because they think Apple is not taking responsibility.

This is something that should have happened a long time ago, but until HTML5, there wasn't an alternative. Now it is feasible to phase this out for a better more modern product in HTML5 which will be built into Safari, and every other browser out there. This will quickly become a non-issue. Most people understand that Flash is going bye bye, and its time that Adobe, and other users out there come to this realization and move into the future.
post #9 of 136
1) So are the same people that complained that Apple shipped Snow Leopard discs with a slightly outdated version of Adobe Flash the ones that are complaining about having to install Adobe Flash manually, like they would have had to do anyway to get the safest version?

2) If Apple should be forced to include Adobe Flash, then Adobe should be forced to include ClickToFlash.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Tods View Post

Oh, come on. I'm no fan of Flash but the quote from the Apple apparatchik is plain old spin. With that reasoning, why include QuickTime with the MacBook Air? If you really want QuickTime support, you can download the latest version yourself.

Apple is just as capable of mouthing B.S. as is Microsoft or Google.

1) QUickTime is an Apple product that they take responsibility for supporting.

2) QuickTime is part of Mac OS X. You cant remove it. If you are only referring to the player, then you are really saying that Apples included video playback app that is part of Mac OS X shouldnt be included if a 3rd-party plug-in isnt included. Doesnt make much sense.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #10 of 136
Makes total sense not to put on stuff that doesn't work right. You never know, there maybe a truly OS X compliant version of Flash and fully 64 bit and same for *Adobe Reader plug in any moment .... (cough cough)

TIP: For those of you wondering why Safari 5.1 shows 'plug in missing' notice it is because Adobe hasn't updated the Reader plug in to run in 64 bit yet. You have to downgrade Safari to 32 bit to fix this should you need to. This is done in Get Info easily enough either way.
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
post #11 of 136
Given the security issue that Flash has become, I don't find it hard to believe that this is a very pragmatic step from Apple. Why risk shipping a 1-2 revs (or more) old version on hardware, risking a Flash security exploit for a new user, rather than have the user get the latest, most-secure version from Adobe via the very simple download procedure the first time they encounter Flash content that doesn't play?

Those that are calling this "double-speak" need to have their heads (and biases) examined. Calling the standard QuickTime install equivalent is laughable - you do realize that Apple is responsible for QuickTime, but not Flash, right? Shipping Flash as standard was always a convenience, and given the rampant security issues, it's no longer a convenience that has a significant upside for the user. It takes a few seconds to download and install Flash (and another few to install Click to Flash ), and you're done.
post #12 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

2) If Apple should be forced to include Adobe Flash, then Adobe should be forced to include ClickToFlash.

Best idea yet...
post #13 of 136
I hear that Macs will be shipped with a blank hard drive and a coupon for the latest version of Mac OS X that can be picked up at any local Apple store (while supplies last).
post #14 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tods View Post

Oh, come on. I'm no fan of Flash but the quote from the Apple apparatchik is plain old spin. With that reasoning, why include QuickTime with the MacBook Air? If you really want QuickTime support, you can download the latest version yourself.

Apple is just as capable of mouthing B.S. as is Microsoft or Google.

There is a kernel of truth in that (your basic logic, not your conclusion.)
Software Update would be the best way to keep things up to date.
They are simply acting on their belief that Flash is not really an essential part of the OS infrastructure.
post #15 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

In other news, Steve Jobs, in a conference call, says that Windows is "open".

In other words, welcome to the new world of Apple double-speak. It's new for Apple to deliberately misdirect the public like this. This process began when, on the day that Facetime was announced, Steve said he'd make it open-source the following day. It still isn't open-source. Here with Flash, how many people won't bother to download the software after they get their Mac? Even if it's 10% of customers, that's still an advantage for HTML5.

Don't trust everything Apple says, anymore, until they do it. The "reality distortion field" is back, and taken to another level.

I know this won't help you with your paranoia, but as a statement of fact, please note that all other operating systems are distributed without Flash and it has to be downloaded by the end user. Mac OS X was the exception when it included Flash on the installation DVD and Apple was often criticized for doing it, as the version on the DVD was sometimes out of date.
post #16 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tods View Post

Oh, come on. I'm no fan of Flash but the quote from the Apple apparatchik is plain old spin. With that reasoning, why include QuickTime with the MacBook Air? If you really want QuickTime support, you can download the latest version yourself.

Apple is just as capable of mouthing B.S. as is Microsoft or Google.

AGREED! If that is their logic then why install any software? You have to "update" just about everything after a fresh install of Snow Leopard....this is just really lame Apple....

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply
post #17 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

AGREED! If that is their logic then why install any software? You have to "update" just about everything after a fresh install of Snow Leopard....this is just really lame Apple....

The difference is that Apple-created software is easily updated thru the Software Update preference pane, with automatic notifications of newer versions, whereas third-party software maintenance is entirely on the users' shoulders.
post #18 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

...the change was done to ensure that users always have the latest version of Flash

Logically inaccurate. The change ensures that new purchasers will not have any version of Flash.
I got nothin'.
Reply
I got nothin'.
Reply
post #19 of 136
Yet nobody's making a big deal on the fact that there are a lot Windows PC that doesn't have Flash preinstalled also.

Quit being lazy, go to adobe.com, with just a few clicks you can download Flash, stop bitching about it, and move on with your life. It's no big deal.

If you're old enough to be able to use a computer then you're old enough to feed yourself. You don't need Apple to spoonfeed you or wipe your ass for you or hold your hand when you walk across the street.
post #20 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

There is a kernel of truth in that (your basic logic, not your conclusion.)
Software Update would be the best way to keep things up to date.
They are simply acting on their belief that Flash is not really an essential part of the OS infrastructure.

If you watch the event fom this week there will be a simple way to install and update apps on Mac OS X 10.6.5 or later. They call it Mac App Store. It's an optional way for developers to reach more customers by making it simpler* to install and keep app updated.

* Hopefully I will no longer have to explain what a DMG is or walk someone through the download, mounting, installing, unmounting and deleting of a DMG.


Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

AGREED! If that is their logic then why install any software? You have to "update" just about everything after a fresh install of Snow Leopard....this is just really lame Apple....

Explain to us why Apple should be responsible for everyone else's software updates. Do jot recall the outrage a year ago at Apple when they shipped Snow Leopard 5 days after Adobe updated a serious security flaw in Flash?
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #21 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryszard View Post

The difference is that Apple-created software is easily updated thru the Software Update preference pane, with automatic notifications of newer versions, whereas third-party software maintenance is entirely on the users' shoulders.

You are correct...But I have third party software on my MBP and I get notified when there are software updates from the vendor. It is the same on my Win 7 machines. Firefox is not made by Apple yet i get notified when there are updates AND I get a notice that my FLASH needs to be updated. Apple could very easily do this......

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply
post #22 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by brucep View Post

puullleezzzzeeeeee
How many will never ever bother to down load flash .

Everybody who NEEDS it to view their favorite websites. That's how many.
post #23 of 136
This makes total sense since Flash is such a vector for different kinds of attacks on people's machines and Adobe is constantly updating it to try and close off the different holes. Why would Apple always want to have copies of that a couple of versions back on a brand new machine their delivering?

And its easy to download and install from the browser. But, all those cheap ass different PC manufacturers can keep this on their installation platforms without an issue...but the computer company with the highest margins in the consumer sector can't?

There's obviously a little more to this than that. Safari has had serious security issues and will continue to do so (presumably) and Apple won't have problems bundling that (same with the quicktime plugin).

My guess is that here's a little way to stick it to Adobe (not hard, since we need them, but we aren't doing Flash anymore...) and its a support win for Apple since they don't have to support that awful plugin out of the box anymore....so lets do it.

Not a big deal, but watching them deprecate Java the other day without an announced replacement coming (Java is something the corporate world relies on that they are selling Xserve's to and doing that without an announced fallback plan was dumb from a sales perspective) - reminds me of the arrogance (which was a big part of his downfall before) of Jobs once he knows he has the power and can just do what he wants. Not very pretty.
post #24 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple has issued an official comment on the lack of preinstalled Adobe Flash on the newly released MacBook Air and all future Macs, saying the change was done to ensure that users always have the latest version of Flash by downloading directly from Adobe.....

Wow. I can't believe how many people are upset about this completely reasonable action by Apple (although most of the complainers seem to be the usual wing-nuts).

1) This only makes Apple the same as almost every other platform
2) It *will* ensure that people have the latest update of Flash if they want to
3) The new software store is practically *designed* for these kinds of free add-ons and plug-ins.
4) It will make your computer more secure

This will just be like Rosetta, the first time you use a product that needs Flash, a box will come up saying "click here to get it" and it will be downloaded in seconds in the background. It will also automatically notify you of updates and probably auto-install those updates, direct from Adobe on the day they are available..

If anyone can't see how this is a far *better* system than what they have now and that it will be far *better* both for the end users who like Flash, as well as being *better* for Adobe as well, they are complete idiots IMO. Adobe will get greater distribution as well as greater penetration of the latest version and more information on installs. The end user will get a seamless Flash experience after clicking a few buttons.

Even those that hate Flash will be better off because "click to Flash" will probably be in the app store as well and Jobs will be happy because more people will be made aware of the fact that they don't need flash at all in the first place.
post #25 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by godrifle View Post

Logically inaccurate. The change ensures that new purchasers will not have any version of Flash.

And what happens when you reach a Flash-dependent site without having Flash installed? You get a simple prompt/redirect to install it. Same prompt/redirect as you get to update an installed version of Flash. So where's the difference?
post #26 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

If you're old enough to be able to use a computer then you're old enough to feed yourself. You don't need Apple to spoonfeed you or wipe your ass for you or hold your hand when you walk across the street.

Why not? They always did before and the Mac community loved them for it.

Note I said the Mac community. I am referring to the true community, not this forum, which is the Bizzarro Mac community.
post #27 of 136
Partial Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

Yet nobody's making a big deal on the fact that there are a lot Windows PC that doesn't have Flash preinstalled also.

That's the least of their worries ....
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
Been using Apple since Apple ][ - Long on AAPL so biased
nMac Pro 6 Core, MacBookPro i7, MacBookPro i5, iPhones 5 and 5s, iPad Air, 2013 Mac mini, SE30, IIFx, Towers; G4 & G3.
Reply
post #28 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If you watch the event fom this week there will be a simple way to install and update apps on Mac OS X 10.6.5 or later. They call it Mac App Store. It's an optional way for developers to reach more customers by making it simpler* to install and keep app updated.

* Hopefully I will no longer have to explain what a DMG is or walk someone through the download, mounting, installing, unmounting and deleting of a DMG.



Explain to us why Apple should be responsible for everyone else's software updates. Do jot recall the outrage a year ago at Apple when they shipped Snow Leopard 5 days after Adobe updated a serious security flaw in Flash?

There is a war of words and willpower going on between Adobe and Apple....Egos are taking over instead of logic. I just did a fresh install of Snow Leopard last night. That lead to a fresh install of Firefox. Firefox prompted me to update my flash. Would that be so hard for Apple to do if they really wanted to? If they were so concerned about their customers not updating to the latest security updates for Adobe Flash then why not prompt their customers to do so?
It would be great customer service and a benefit to their paying customers to ensure their systems security. But it is not about that...Apple has an agenda to eliminate Adobe Flash. That is all well and good...they can do whatever the want. But don't come out and say it is about anything else....just be upfront about it! :-)

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply
post #29 of 136
You don't bitch about Silverlight not being preinstalled.
You don't bitch about Perian not being installed.

All these other things that might be needed to get the "full" web experience and you're whining because Apple decided to stop shipping Adobe Flash with OS X (just as all other operating systems)!

Definitely just a bunch of paranoid Apple-hating morons with nothing better to do.


It'l be nice not having to delete all those Flash plug-ins off my system from now on.
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.
Reply
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.
Reply
post #30 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tods View Post

Oh, come on. I'm no fan of Flash but the quote from the Apple apparatchik is plain old spin. With that reasoning, why include QuickTime with the MacBook Air? If you really want QuickTime support, you can download the latest version yourself.

Apple is just as capable of mouthing B.S. as is Microsoft or Google.

First, Quicktime hasn't had as many or as serious flaws. They have flaws, yes, but not as bad. Another, Quicktime is updated through Apple's updater. I've not seen Adobe Flash ask to upgrade unless a site uses a feature that exceeds the ability of the installed player.

Quote:
Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Makes total sense not to put on stuff that doesn't work right.

Apple didn't say that with regards to flash in Mac OS X.

Quote:
Originally Posted by godrifle View Post

Logically inaccurate. The change ensures that new purchasers will not have any version of Flash.

But there's a corollary. Including it would ensure that most users only have a woefully outdated version. As I said before, Adobe doesn't notify users of new updates from within the software, or offer a way to check for updates in the software. You have to know about it somehow, and go to their web site and get it. The absolute limit of their notification is if a web site uses a feature too new for your current version, then it tells you. But not of security updates.

Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

You are correct...But I have third party software on my MBP and I get notified when there are software updates from the vendor. It is the same on my Win 7 machines. Firefox is not made by Apple yet i get notified when there are updates AND I get a notice that my FLASH needs to be updated. Apple could very easily do this......

That's limited though, Firefox only tells you if Flash needs to be updated after you've installed a new Firefox update, it's easy to go weeks or months without an important security update.
post #31 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

Apple has an agenda to eliminate Adobe Flash. That is all well and good...they can do whatever the want. But don't come out and say it is about anything else....just be upfront about it! :-)

And you have an insider that says otherwise or are you just speculating? So you're basing your anger off something that may not be the truth?

Nice.
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.
Reply
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.
Reply
post #32 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

In other words, welcome to the new world of Apple double-speak.

The RDF isn't new. Read the history of posts in this forum....
post #33 of 136
I don't see what the big deal is. That's the way it is with Microsoft Windows. And Linux... And Android. I don't see a problem with leaving it up to the user to install Flash if they want it.

Regarding the posts about Flash and Security... Have you ever been hacked by Rogue Flash apps? How many people do you know that have been hacked by Flash apps? I never have. I don't know anyone that has. And I repair computers all the time. This talk of security breaches feed on paranoia. Security holes exist in all software. Including Mac OSX, Linux, and iOS. There is no known way to have a completely secure platform. If there were, every institution would have subscribed to it. Unfortunately. If you are afraid to install software because of security rumors, that's just fine with me.

Flash provides a great inter-operating platform that works on many operating systems. It's primary usage may be video, but in reality, to goes far beyond that. Programming an Application in Flash once and running it on multiple OS's is one of it's specialties.

FYI. Air desktop apps are created with Flash code.
post #34 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by godrifle View Post

Logically inaccurate. The change ensures that new purchasers will not have any version of Flash.

And Apple is certainly within their rights to do this, although it certainly seems petty.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #35 of 136
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

It's like being damned with faint praise, this is being damned with faint support.
post #36 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

Would that be so hard for Apple to do if they really wanted to? If they were so concerned about their customers not updating to the latest security updates for Adobe Flash then why not prompt their customers to do so?)

1) Its so odd that the posters that hate Apple having any control or success are now the ones that think it should be Apples responsibility to inform you that Flash needs to be updated.

2) Im always bemused by the phrase would that be so hard when the objection obviously isnt an issue of difficulty, but of other considerations. Why doesnt Adobe include ClickToFlash with Flash? Would that be so hard?

3) Why not come at this simple issue objectively? Would that be so hard?
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #37 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

And Apple is certainly within their rights to do this, although it certainly seems petty.

1) I have a feeling that all 3rd-party SW will be removed, not just Adobes SW.

2) Will plugins not be allowed on the Mac App Store? This seems like a great place for Adobe Flash and Perian to be. This makes it a lot easier for the average user to install and keep up-to-date.

3) If there is any one piece of 3rd-party software Id want installed with a new Mac, its Perian. Hopefully that will be on the Mac App Store in a few months.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #38 of 136
What's the big deal.
It's a popular browser plugin, so?
post #39 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

And you have an insider that says otherwise or are you just speculating? So you're basing your anger off something that may not be the truth?

Nice.

Oh c'mon now....this is common knowledge to anyone that has followed this whole thing between Apple and Adobe. I am not angry at all! :-) lol....that has nothing to do with it. Apple wants to remove Flash from it OS distribution and development. That is well within their right to do so...no argument from me.....But just come out and say so...don't pretend it is about anything else.

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply

Tallest Skil:


"Eventually Google will have their Afghanistan with Oracle and collapse"

"The future is Apple, Google, and a third company that hasn't yet been created."


 


 

Reply
post #40 of 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) Its so odd that the posters that hate Apple having any control or success are now the ones that think it should be Apples responsibility to inform you that Flash needs to be updated.

2) Im always bemused by the phrase would that be so hard when the objection obviously isnt an issue of difficulty, but of other considerations. Why doesnt Adobe include ClickToFlash with Flash? Would that be so hard?

3) Why not come at this simple issue objectively? Would that be so hard?

Brilliant. Love this point of view.

"Would that be so hard" is basically a straw man argument contained in one phrase.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Mac Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple: Not preinstalling Flash on Macs ensures users have latest version