Originally Posted by ascii
I honestly have no sympathy for Flash and Java. Bill Gates' great insight, the one that made him the richest man in the world, was that he could insert himself between hardware vendors and developers and thereby make them irrelevant and himself the powerful one. What these companies are trying to do with Java and Flash is pull a Bill Gates on the OS vendors, they are trying to be the next Microsoft, so don't be so ready to defend them. It's like Inception, layer upon layer upon layer.
And people wonder why things get slower
Something that solipsism
jokingly mentioned earler about Oracle's "replacement" for Java brought up a serious thought of mine: What can Java do that HTML5 can't? Couldn't the National Weather Service use HTML5, instead of Java, to enable radar animations? I can't think of any other top-tier legitimate sites that use Java on a mass scale; Java's a pretty pathetic plugin, when you think about it. Right now, Java and Flash are needed to play some media, but in time, perhaps that could be largely, if not entirely, eliminated with HTML5 and/or browser sniffing.
Originally Posted by Drow_Swordsman
I don't remember any Windows computer I've owned coming with Flash either - nor most browsers, when I switched to Firefox on Windows XP I remember it needing to download flash again. No biggie.
Internet Explorer needs a different version of Flash than the Firefox/Chrome version, to account for ActiveX. That said, I recommend installing Chrome instead of Firefox. Chrome now includes built-in Flash and PDF viewing, with no additional downloads required. I'd recommend the browser for reasons other than Flash and PDF integration, but that's another story....
Originally Posted by sessamoid
"For its part, Adobe fired back and said that any crashes of Flash in Mac OS X are not related to its software, but are instead the fault of Apple's operating system."
That is such a load of crap. I have a relative who works at Adobe on desktop Flash player. This relative doesn't have a very high opinion of Flash player's stability on OS X. The recommendation I got was that you run nothing else on that browser, or at least nothing else that you care about keeping, if you plan on playing any Flash content on OS X.
Or just install ClickToFlash, which is what I did with my mom's computer about a month ago. OK, so I installed it mainly to preserve CPU and RAM from being used on Flash ads, but there have been far fewer Safari crashes since...