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Microsoft on Tuesday announced the release of Office 2011 for Mac, bringing new features to the productivity suite including an all-new version of Outlook built from the ground up for Mac OS X.

Eric Wilfrid, general manager of the Microsoft Office for Mac team, said though his company and Apple compete, there are still customers on the Mac platform who need to use Microsoft Office in a Windows-centric world. It's for that reason that the new Office 2011 is such a hotly anticipated release.

"As someone who works at Microsoft and deals with Apple often, I acknowledge that our companies compete," Wilfrid said. "Some people choose Windows, and some people choose Mac. That conflict tends to get a lot of attention, but I deal in the reality that there are customers who love their Macs and also love using Office."

Wilfrid said that three-quarters of all Mac users have Office installed on their machine, a statistic he believes highlights the importance of the relationship between Microsoft and Apple.

Starting Tuesday, Mac users can now obtain the latest versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint and, for the first time, Outlook. Office 2011 for Mac is now available in 13 languages around the world, and by November it will be available in 45 countries.

The latest release will also bring the cloud-based service that Windows users have enjoyed since Office 2010.

"Office isn't just about what runs on a desktop machine or laptop," Wilfrid said. "Office is an experience that shows up across your computer, on the Web browser, and on your mobile device."



Office 2011 for Mac also includes a new version of Outlook built from the ground up for the Mac. The latest version of the productivity suite also works with on-premises Exchange and the just-announced Office 365 cloud service.

It also has built-in integration with Windows Live SkyDrive, and connections to SharePoint so users can manage files and work from any location. Office Web Apps also allow Mac users to edit Office documents straight from their browser.



Office 2011 for Mac also packs new co-authoring tools that allow users to edit the same Word document or PowerPoint presentation simultaneously with other people in different locations, as long as they are using Office 2011 for Mac or Office 2010 for Windows. Users an also quickly share presentations with anyone who has browser access through PowerPoint broadcasting.

The new version of Office also has greater file format compatibility, ensuring that Office documents created on either a Mac or a PC look exactly the same, even when printed out.



Office 2011 for Mac is now available for purchase in a number of different bundles:
Home and Student edition - $110
Home and Student edition - Family Pack (3 Licenses) - $130
Home and Business edition - $175.
Home and Business edition - 2 License Pack - $240
In addition, Word for Mac 2011, Excel for Mac 2011 and PowerPoint for Mac 2011 can all be purchased separately for $139.99 each. All three are also now available.

For more on Microsoft's Office 2011 for Mac, see AppleInsider's extensive review.
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While I want to to install and get rid of 2008, I won't be updating until we get our exchange 2010 server up and running. We're on 03 for the moment.
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While I want to to install and get rid of 2008, I won't be updating until we get our exchange 2010 server up and running. We're on 03 for the moment.

Sounds like youll be waiting for a very, very long moment.
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Sorry, but nobody "loves" using Microsoft Office.
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Sorry, but nobody "loves" using Microsoft Office.

Compared to using iWork Numbers, I loves MS Office Excel.
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While I want to to install and get rid of 2008, I won't be updating until we get our exchange 2010 server up and running. We're on 03 for the moment.

I hope that Office 2011 support for VBA is not messed up. I can't wait to get rid of both Office 2004 and 2008. I am still using 2004 for VBA and 2008 for the new format.
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1) what VERSION of OS X does this require? "OS X" is not very informative. Amazon doesn't seem to know either.

2) Where is Access? Is it coming at all? I was all excited to see this, but then... no Access... wtf?

iLife '11 is utterly useless to me because it requires Snow Leopard, which I can't use because it breaks a bunch of software I use regularly. Is this going to be another one of those "bleeding edge" releases?
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I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone would purchase (and that MS would market) Word, Excel, or PowerPoint SEPARATELY for $140 EACH, when the suite is less than that... How does that make sense to any consumer?
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I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone would purchase (and that MS would market) Word, Excel, or PowerPoint SEPARATELY for $140 EACH, when the suite is less than that... How does that make sense to any consumer?

If I remember correctly this was required as part of the antitrust settlement.They are required to sell them separately but they didn't specify for how much
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1) what VERSION of OS X does this require? "OS X" is not very informative. Amazon doesn't seem to know either.

Can't help you on #2, but this is from Amazon:

System Requirements
A Mac computer with an Intel processor
Mac OS X version 10.5.8 or later
1 GB of RAM recommended
2.5 GB of available hard disk space
HFS+ hard disk format (also known as Mac OS Extended or HFS Plus)
DVD drive or connection to a local area network (if installing over a network)
1280 x 800 or higher resolution monitor
Additional items or services are required to use some features
Certain online functionality requires a Windows Live ID.
Outlook and certain features require Internet access (fees may apply).
Exchange support in Outlook 2011 requires connectivity to Microsoft Exchange 2007 SP1 RU4 or later.
Access to files stored on a SharePoint server requires connectivity to Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 or later.
Coauthoring requires SharePoint 2010 or a Windows Live ID.
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Sounds like youll be waiting for a very, very long moment.

Not really, we're working on getting our VM environment up and running. I would say within 6 months.
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I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone would purchase (and that MS would market) Word, Excel, or PowerPoint SEPARATELY for $140 EACH, when the suite is less than that... How does that make sense to any consumer?

Well, it's usually free since it's part of the agreement with MS if you have volume licensing.
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Sorry, but nobody "loves" using Microsoft Office.


Sorry, but some of us who work for a living do. Please do me a favor and don't put words in mine, or the millions of people's mouths who use MS Office daily and appreciate that we can run a Mac version...
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Can't help you on #2, but this is from Amazon:

A Mac computer with an Intel processor
Mac OS X version 10.5.8 or later
1 GB of RAM recommended
2.5 GB of available hard disk space
HFS+ hard disk format (also known as Mac OS Extended or HFS Plus)

Awesome. Thank you, I did look on Amazon, but didn't see this. Very much appreciated.
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OH Boy. another cranky, difficult, MS product just loaded with stuff that you really don't need. But it will at least feature an impossible to use Help system.

Ho Hum!

This is like saying that GM is really going to make good automobiles....this time...trust us.
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Sorry, but some of us who work for a living do. Please do me a favor and don't put words in mine, or the millions of people's mouths who use MS Office daily and appreciate that we can run a Mac version...

Gordon Werner was commenting on the OP from AppleInsider. He is correct. Nobody "loves" Microsoft Office. It is a necessary evil. Some have doubts about the "necessary." However, the major selling point for the suite is that it provides compatibility with Microsoft Office for Windows. That's not love. Nobody "loves" Microsoft Office. You declare that you love Microsoft Office. In so doing, you defined yourself.
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2) Where is Access? Is it coming at all? I was all excited to see this, but then... no Access... wtf?

Access is not coming and it never was. If you need a cross platform database, use FileMaker or if you want one that's more "programmy," then use 4D.
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At last week's Apple event MS Office was giving accolades by a presenter while iWork wasn't mentioned at all, as far as I recall. (no opinion, just pointing it out)
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2) Where is Access? Is it coming at all? I was all excited to see this, but then... no Access... wtf?

Microsoft will probably never port Access to OSX. Not only would it be costly (because Access is much more complex than the other Office apps), but it would elevate the Mac to be a much stronger competitor with Windows in business, and MS doesn't want to do that.
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Sorry, but some of us who work for a living do. Please do me a favor and don't put words in mine, or the millions of people's mouths who use MS Office daily and appreciate that we can run a Mac version...

Bingo.
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Access is not coming and it never was. If you need a cross platform database, use FileMaker or if you want one that's more "programmy," then use 4D.

Problem is that what many people want/need is Access, not some other program that is kinda/sorta in the same general ballpark as Access. But, as you say, Access has never been in the cards. The only way to get Access on a Mac is through virtualization/bootcamp. And that will probably never change.
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Does anyone know if this version of Office allows a Mac user to connect remotely to a Win PC using Mircosoft's Remote Web Workplace? Absence of ActiveX in OSX precludes this now.
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Gordon Werner was commenting on the OP from AppleInsider. He is correct. Nobody "loves" Microsoft Office. It is a necessary evil. Some have doubts about the "necessary." However, the major selling point for the suite is that it provides compatibility with Microsoft Office for Windows. That's not love. Nobody "loves" Microsoft Office. You declare that you love Microsoft Office. In so doing, you defined yourself.

No, I love my Wife, my Children, and my family. I don't LOVE Steve Jobs, a piece of software, or an inanimate machine. I don't "HATE" anything....

MS Office isn't a "necessary evil" - it's the best piece of Office Productivity software in the world. I don't' HATE "numbers" nor do I "Love" Excel, ... I don't "LOVE" my Mac, nor Do I "HATE" PCs..

By making your stupid rant in a conversation that you weren't even involved in defines YOU sir.. And you are a everyday run of the mill fanboy - a brainwashed kid unable to think straight who HATES all products that don't have an Apple Logo on them, and LOVES all Apple products because they are so ELEGANT, DELICIOUS, and SEXY and any number of other silly descriptions fanboys make when they can't back up their argument with facts. (I know, everything without an Apple is "CLUNKY, and CRAPPY")!!!

BTW, iWORK is a pile of scrap, .. that's not being said as a "Hater" , but by someone who started out using Wordstar, dBASE II, and Multiplan since the early 80's and understands REQUIRED features and REQUIRED compatibility issues.

Of course, features and compatibility mean little to you, do they? I think your argument in this kind of debate is limited to "wooo hoo MS SUCKS, Go STEVE"!!!
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Way too many stories about this POS.
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Wooo hooo MS sucks! Go Steve! (However, thank you Bill and Melinda for working to eradicate off-the-radar diseases.)
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Pogue isn't too excited. ("Office for Mac Isn't an Improvement")

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...n-improvement/
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Compared to using iWork Numbers, I “loves” MS Office Excel.

Yup love the new office. Loved it ever since I installed the bata. Already paid for it and installed it on the mac. Love the full screen mode for reading, excel is nice and intuitive, no more doubling up of functions between menu and that hover menu thing. Outlook is doing great and displaced mail as my default mail client.

Office 11 already made reading court cases for school easier and accounting with excel in Mac is as nice as in Windows. Plus the speed is way better then 08, even after 3 years performance of updates MS has issued to it.
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"As someone who works at Microsoft and deals with Apple often, I acknowledge that our companies compete," Wilfrid said. "Some people choose Windows, and some people choose Mac. That conflict tends to get a lot of attention, but I deal in the reality that there are customers who love their Macs and also love using Office."

I think these guys at Ms are bafoons. It's not Apple vs Microsoft*, hasn't been for a while. Apple is a hardware company that does software to sell more hardware. Every single mac sold today is also a potential Windows machine and judging from what I have seen many are running some version of Windows. I would even wager that a couple of those installations weren't pirated.
This is not a zero sum gain, not every dollar Apple earns is a dollar that Ms lost. There is no conflict.*

Those ass hats that run that company have needlessly ingrained such a cut throat, dominating, greedy, screw everyone type culture that they fail to see the opportunity thats right there in front of them. They keep worrying about Windows where they already have 90% + of the pie but must have another 2%.

Hey Ms how about trying something new? Create some new and useful (if tasteless) software that isn't office. Make a mac version. Hell create something that customers want and is engineered beyond the baseline (completes installation before going bsd?) Hell make a product that doesn't need the better part of a decade and billions of dollars in subsidies to succeed (looking at you x-box).

Treat your mac customers like...valued customers. Release software for the Mac because you want our business and at least pretend to respect us in the morning.

I think you will find there is a lot more money to be made when you act like a software company and not the 800 pound gorilla with monopoly thats to big to fail.

And finally, after so many years and billions of dollars in revenue, thank you for a version of Mac Office that sucks only most of the time.

*I do admit that some long time users may still see it as conflict where Ms must fail for Apple to win.
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Nice review. Dan can hardly conceal his hatred for MS products then grits his teeth and plugs it for 4 stars!

Hate to admit it, but that's how I feel about Office too. Excel is nice. Nice in the way that it's sort of comfortable. Everyone uses it. But it is clumsy and inelegant. Just the default color swatch choices alone scream classless.

Numbers should be better. Not sure why basic functions like border controls need to be so strange and difficult. I want to love Numbers, but there are enough quirks that it's not worth the switch.

So in my world, it's Excel and Pages. Word might work for serious writers, but Pages shows what Apple can do when they get it right.

I'm looking forward to the iWork upgrade. I'm crossing my fingers that Apple copies a lot of what's in Excel that is good while blending in their classy and functional GUI.
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Of course, features and compatibility mean little to you, do they? I think your argument in this kind of debate is limited to "wooo hoo MS SUCKS, Go STEVE"!!!

This is my 2,468th post on this forum. In the 2,468th that went before, you will find this from me not once. In those that follow, you will find that statement never.

What you are doing is called "projecting." You don't have to hide your feelings. You're in love and you have it bad.
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Yup love the new office. Loved it ever since I installed the bata. Already paid for it and installed it on the mac. Love the full screen mode for reading, excel is nice and intuitive, no more doubling up of functions between menu and that hover menu thing. Outlook is doing great and displaced mail as my default mail client.

Office 11 already made reading court cases for school easier and accounting with excel in Mac is as nice as in Windows. Plus the speed is way better then 08, even after 3 years performance of updates MS has issued to it.

I was hoping Outlook would satisfy my desire to have mail, address book and calendar in one app, but it doesn't it's too busy an pointlessly complex, IMO. To be fair, I haven't tried to optimize to fit my particular interests yet, but what little time I've spent with it wasn't enjoyable. I'll probably work on that this weekend.

PS: Pages, at the very least, has a full page option that I like.
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Just got an email from Apple Introducing Microsoft Office for Mac 2011.

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While I want to to install and get rid of 2008, I won't be updating until we get our exchange 2010 server up and running. We're on 03 for the moment.

Ditto. The thing to note here is that 2008 is that bad that I can't wait to get rid of it, not that there is a whole lot new in 2011 that I really want or need.
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1 GB of RAM recommended
2.5 GB of available hard disk space

2.5 GB for an office suite? This is not just bloated, this is montgolfière.
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by the way: Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011 has, other than the 2008 Version, no Outlook (Yes, I know, the 2008 has not Outlook, it has InToRage)!
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... (Yes, I know, the 2008 has not Outlook, it has InToRage)!

Just to be clear, Outlook 2011 is the new name for Entourage 14. It is a minor feature upgrade to Entourage 2008 EWS (13). Unlike Entourage 2008 (12), it is incompatible with Exchange Server older than Exchange 2007. This is a carry-over from Entourage 2008 EWS (13). If your Exchange Server is older than Exchange 2007, then you must stick with Entourage 2008 (12). Get your brain around this: iPhone Mail handles Exchange 2003 just fine, but Microsoft Entourage 2008 EWS (13) and Microsoft Outlook 2011 do not.
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I like bashing MS as much as the next Mac fanboy, but I must admit this latest version of Office is remarkable. I earn part of my living as a copywriter. For me and my clients, MS Word is a fact of life. I use another program, Scrivener, to center all my research and create drafts, but I export documents to Word before submitting work to clients. Office 2011 has learned a thing or two from Pages which is a good thing. Word opens much, much faster than previous versions. As other have said, if Word is a part of your work life, this upgrade is indeed a "no-brainer."
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Just to be clear, Outlook 2011 is the new name for Entourage 14. It is a minor feature upgrade to Entourage 2008 EWS (13). Unlike Entourage 2008 (12), it is incompatible with Exchange Server older than Exchange 2007. This is a carry-over from Entourage 2008 EWS (13). If your Exchange Server is older than Exchange 2007, then you must stick with Entourage 2008 (12). Get your brain around this: iPhone Mail handles Exchange 2003 just fine, but Microsoft Entourage 2008 EWS (13) and Microsoft Outlook 2011 do not.

I assume that is intentional, and MS is trying to cripple Mac Office. \
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I assume that is intentional, and MS is trying to cripple Mac Office. \

In the case of your assertion that it is intentional, well "duh!" You can't very well develop or release an application as big as Entourage EWS or Outlook 2011 by accident. As for the "cripple Mac Office part," I'm not sure that I agree. But then, I am also not sure that it matters. There are major differences between in the roles that Office plays on Windows and the role that it plays on the Mac. To a large fraction of Windows users, Office is Windows. They use Office instead of Windows Explorer to browse their file system. This is to say that they don't know where Windows ends and Office begins. To the average Mac user, Office is just an application from [the cursed] Microsoft Corporation. Even among Office:mac fans, it does not play the essential role in their computer experience that Office:win plays for Windows users.

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What was Microsoft's response? It introduced Office 2011 with the most onerous activation scheme of any Microsoft product ever. As of now, Office:mac's salvation is that it is perceived as a requirement for business owing to its compatibility with Office:win. Office:win compatibility was the dominant consideration when Microsoft was the alpha dog of the computer industry. As Apple surges ahead, however, other considerations may become more important which may, in turn, give other developers an opportunity to get their feet into the door. The new MacOS X App Store will virtually eliminate the structural barriers to entry for these new players.

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I'm just curious how Outlook handles MobileMe now, since Entourage never worked well with it.
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