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More than half of online H.264 videos are now in iOS-friendly HTML5

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Apple's crusade against Adobe Flash has shown success in a new survey, which found that 54 percent of video online is now available in H.264 via HTML5, the modern standard for the web embraced by Apple in iOS and Mac OS X.

MeFeedia revealed on Wednesday that more than half of the web's video are now available for playback in HTML5, a number that has more than doubled in the past five months. It's also a significant increase from the 10 percent availability seen in January 2010.

The survey found that Flash remains the dominant player on traditional PCs, but mobile devices like the iPhone and iPad (which don't support Flash at all) are driving HTML5 video adoption. Many publishers and platforms are now using the iframe tag instead of the "object" tag, allowing the source to serve a video format optimized for each device.

MeFeedia's findings were based on the company's index of videos from over 33,000 different publishers. It includes content partners such as Hulu, CBS and ABC, as well as online video destinations like YouTube, Vimeo and DailyMotion.

"Alongside mobile growth, we expect that most video sites will follow this trend," the report said. "We are also seeing an increase in ad formats, services, advanced players & the use of canvas combined with video."



Apple and Adobe have been at odds since 2007, when the iPhone was released without support for Flash. The conflict escalated this year with the release of the iPad, and Apple's refusal to allow Flash on it or other iOS-powered devices.

The feud gained considerable steam this year after Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs published an open letter criticizing Flash as old technology that is unfit for the modern era of mobile computers. The CEO also said that Flash is the number one reason for crashes on the Mac platform.

Adobe fired back and said that any crashes of Flash in Mac OS X are not related to its software, but are instead the fault of Apple's operating system.

This month Apple stopped preinstalling Adobe Flash on its Mac computers, starting with the new MacBook Air. Apple explained the change by stating that requiring users to install Flash on their own ensures that they will always have the latest and most secure version of the software.

Microsoft hasn't preinstalled Flash on Windows PCs since the shift to Windows Vista in 2007.
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Ok, 54% of h.264 is compatible, what percentage of online videos are in h.264? I'm guessing it is tiny.
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Well.. Most of my favorite porn sites have switched to HTML5..
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Well.. Most of my favorite porn sites have switched to HTML5..

... 'nuff said
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Well.. Most of my favorite porn sites have switched to HTML5..

Praise JebuS!
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It looks like Adobe's victory with the FTC and EU Commission will be pyrrhic.

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Ok, 54% of h.264 is compatible, what percentage of online videos are in h.264? I'm guessing it is tiny.

Details like that, however valuable they may be to the rest of the world, are of little interest on an Apple fan site.

The only important thing is that those who are using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec are not only paying his consortium money (for fees that are not labeled specifically as "royalties", but instead cleverly called something else so he can claim it's "royalty-free"), but also follow his dictate on Flash as well.

Ah, the religiosity of platforms....
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Details like that, however valuable they may be to the rest of the world, are of little interest on an Apple fan site.

The only important thing is that those who are using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec are not only paying his consortium money (for fees that are not labeled specifically as "royalties", but instead cleverly called something else so he can claim it's "royalty-free"), but also follow his dictate on Flash as well.

Ah, the religiosity of platforms....

Do some research on the h.264 patent pool before you make your bogus claims. Apple is a minority player in the patent pool. As far as proprietary goes, most of the other competing technologies have similar issues. Until this year Flash was not really an option on mobile so Apple picked HTML 5 an H.264, the chart clearly shows that the window of opportunity for flash on mobile is rapidly shrinking and they are just getting usable software deployed on a number of android handset. Last I saw, Adobe was celebrating 2M Flash downloads from the Google Market that compares to Apples better then 20M sales of non-flash iOS this qtr and over 120M total.
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Well.. Most of my favorite porn sites have switched to HTML5..

..which are...
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Ok, 54% of h.264 is compatible, what percentage of online videos are in h.264? I'm guessing it is tiny.

If you read the source article http://blog.mefeedia.com/html5-oct-2010

54% of web video is now available for playback in HTML5. Double in 5 months.

Our final tally included only video that can be delivered within HTML5s video tag. In the vast majority of cases, this means videos were encoded in H.264.
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The only important thing is that those who are using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec ....

So now Blu-Ray use Steve's proprietary CODEC?
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Details like that, however valuable they may be to the rest of the world, are of little interest on an Apple fan site.

The only important thing is that those who are using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec are not only paying his consortium money (for fees that are not labeled specifically as "royalties", but instead cleverly called something else so he can claim it's "royalty-free"), but also follow his dictate on Flash as well.

Ah, the religiosity of platforms....

If you're going to be a troll at least check your information first...
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This is what Microsoft had to say on SJ proprietary Codec H.264
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2...eo-in-ie9.aspx

[W]e think it is the best available video codec today for HTML5 for our customers. Relative to alternatives, H.264 maintains strong hardware support in PCs and mobile devices as well as a breadth of implementation in consumer electronics devices around the world, excellent video quality, scale of existing usage, availability of tools and content authoring systems
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If you're going to be a troll at least check your information first...

Trolls don’t need facts when they can just make stuff up.
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Well.. Most of my favorite porn sites have switched to HTML5..

LOL siteS as in more than one? How could anyone really need more than a single source?
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Trolls don’t need facts when they can just make stuff up.

But what did he make up? Refute his lies with facts! If you're going to tell someone they made facts up, at least bring the REAL facts to the table to substantiate your claim
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Porn and streaming music videos what else could we need in life.

And ESPN.. In fact someone should make a keyboard just for men with only 3 keys or buttons for porn, music, sports.. You can probably throw in a 4th for games. Those are the only things all a guy need to survive.
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And ESPN.. In fact someone should make a keyboard just for men with only 3 keys or buttons for porn, music, sports.. You can probably throw in a 4th for games. Those are the only things all a guy need to survive.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

does it come with bluetooth?
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In related news, NEC mad at Apple for not using the VESA standard.
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Flash is dead!
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And ESPN.. In fact someone should make a keyboard just for men with only 3 keys or buttons for porn, music, sports.. You can probably throw in a 4th for games. Those are the only things all a guy need to survive.

Apple seems to only like one button for stuff so you may have to pick your poison. But it they did add more, they might as well give us 5 buttons - one for each finger on one hand, with button 5 pouring your beer. 6 would be too many as you need the other hand for well, umm, holding your beer. Or they could go with gestures to make it work.
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And ESPN.. In fact someone should make a keyboard just for men with only 3 keys or buttons for porn, music, sports.. You can probably throw in a 4th for games. Those are the only things all a guy need to survive.

I would've said a keyboard with only "Back", "Forward", and of course "Close Window" for when the wife is coming over
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Yea!
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Flash is dead!

No it isn't.
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No it isn't.

OK, it’s dying and will be dead soon. Fixed.
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I for one am tired of the almost daily 'you should update your Flash version' or 'you should update your Reader version' notifications.
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Flash is dead!

Flash is not dead. I wish it was.
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Now what we need is for all these content publishers to make HTML5 the default and use Flash for those with older browsers.
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Will Steve be anti html5 once Adobe releases Edge? That looks pretty promising. I'm actually impressed to see Adobe thinking ahead.
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But what did he make up? Refute his lies with facts! If you're going to tell someone they made facts up, at least bring the REAL facts to the table to substantiate your claim

@Chronster, can't believe you are that stupid.

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using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec

Do you know anything about h.264 ?

Fact h.264 is a standard used across the industry including Flash. HTML 5 is the next major revision to the Web standard.

When somebody calls h.264 proprietary. We need to understand that H.264 patents are owned by a Patent Pool of which Apple is a minority member. In comparison Google owns the patents on VP8 and Adobe owns the patents for Flash Video the container file format. The flash container contains material encoded in h.264 or VP6. VP6 was developed by On2 and used by Adobe which resulted it it becoming a defacto standard. To say H.264 is proprietary and owned by Steve Jobs is a huge distortion of fact.

proprietary |p(r)əˈprī-iˌterē|
adjective
of or relating to an owner or ownership : the company has a proprietary right to the property.
(of a product) marketed under and protected by a registered trade name : proprietary brands of insecticide.
behaving as if one were the owner of someone or something : he looked about him with a proprietary air.
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Flash is dead!

It's a very, very long way from being dead. Even if every web video was in HTML 5 (which they certainly aren't), Flash is still used for a vast array of other uses.

The fact that flash will within 6 months be on EVERY mobile platform except iOS will further prolong it's life. I'd put money on flash still being very common in 5 years time.
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So now Blu-Ray use Steve's proprietary CODEC?

Steve doesn't own H.264, troll. Try again.
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It's a very, very long way from being dead. Even if every web video was in HTML 5 (which they certainly aren't), Flash is still used for a vast array of other uses.

The fact that flash will within 6 months be on EVERY mobile platform except iOS will further prolong it's life. I'd put money on flash still being very common in 5 years time.

Personally I've been extremely surprised since I got my iPad how few websites I visit that a lack of Flash support has been a problem.

This whole thing got hyped up to be a much bigger deal than it is.
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To say H.264 is proprietary and owned by Steve Jobs is a huge distortion of fact.


Would you instead say it is proprietary and partly owned by Steve?
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@Chronster, can't believe you are that stupid.



Do you know anything about h.264 ?

Fact h.264 is a standard used across the industry including Flash. HTML 5 is the next major revision to the Web standard.

When somebody calls h.264 proprietary. We need to understand that H.264 patents are owned by a Patent Pool of which Apple is a minority member.

.h264 != HTML5
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Adobe made it really easy for developers to deploy video content to the web for the last decade. It served a very useful purpose for the sake of ubiquitous computability when the rest of the industry was duking it out trying to establish their own format as the dominate standard. Windows Media, Real Media, QuickTime, and a host of others were screwing up the whole video business.

Now that a better video codec has come along and has the support of all the major players including Adobe, it is time for Flash to gradually return to what it is best suited for. Serving video is trivial technologically compared to the real application programming that Flash is known for. If you want to run video inside of your application and have subtitles, or white board running in sync, conditional branching, or want controls to be able to scrub backwards. Stuff that is not typically part of watching TV shows, then Flash is still your platform of choice.

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It's a very, very long way from being dead. Even if every web video was in HTML 5 (which they certainly aren't), Flash is still used for a vast array of other uses.

The fact that flash will within 6 months be on EVERY mobile platform except iOS will further prolong it's life. I'd put money on flash still being very common in 5 years time.

Java and Shockwave are still around, but you dont need them. Thats what Flash will be like in 5 years.
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If you're going to be a troll at least check your information first...

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In countries where patents on software algorithms are upheld, vendors and commercial users of products that use H.264/AVC are expected to pay patent licensing royalties for the patented technology that their products use. This applies to the Baseline Profile as well. A private organization known as MPEG LA, which is not affiliated in any way with the MPEG standardization organization, administers the licenses for patents applying to this standard, as well as the patent pools for MPEG-2 Part 1 Systems, MPEG-2 Part 2 Video, MPEG-4 Part 2 Video, and other technologies. The last US MPEG LA patents for H.264 may not expire until 2028.

On August 26, 2010 MPEG LA announced that H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end users will never be charged for royalties. All other royalties will remain in place such as the royalties for products that decode and encode H.264 video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_LA
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1) The trolls have done their job well today. Can we please ignore their jackassary and get the thread back on track?

2) This really isn't H.264 v. Flash as Adobe has incorporoated H.264 before te video tag in HTML5 was even remotely common in modern browsers. Sure, they added it as a "me too" feature after MS Silverlight did, but they still added it, and was and is the primary codec Flash video is streamed to users if you want a decent resolution.

3) I may have thought this number suspect but looking at Adobe's inability to get Flash on all non-iOS-based mobile devices being sold today, their nice HTML5 video plugin that falls back to Flash on older browsers, and recent preview demo of their app to make HTML5-compliant websites leads mento believe this is true. Note: The last two items give me hope that Adobe realizes that they aren't in the "Flash business" but in the "web design business". Preemptive kudos on them.

edit: I see pats covered my 2nd point and RationalTroll still has reading comprehension problems.
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The only important thing is that those who are using Steve's proprietary h.264 codec

You are kinding!! H.264 is not Steve's Codec. The MPEG-LA would certainly have something to say about that.

H.264 as part of the MPEG standard. Which follows the same kind of rules etc. as JPEG. Or don't you use JPEGs either?

Happy trolling buddy.
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