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Exactly. I think soccer in America is, like it or not, about as big and popular as it's going to be. That's just true.

We have other sports we like better. That simple. Romania and Spain and wherever the hell else probably don't have hockey, baseball, football, all the ESPN2 "extreme" stuff, plus all the cable and satellite stuff to watch these other things on.

I played soccer back in the late 70's/early 80's (from the time I was about 8-13 years old, give or take. I had a blast, and this was during that initial "soccer explosion" in the late 70's.

My family would drive down to Atlanta from Chattanooga on Saturday nights to watch the Atlanta Chiefs play at the Brave's Fulton County Stadium. I had a Pele lunchbox and a huge Pele poster in my bedroom.

But somehow it all faded for me. I got into music/guitar and stuff at about 12 years old, and soccer just didn't seem as fun or cool.

It's got a small, devoted following here in the states (my old man, for instance, who gets absolutely bonkers every World Cup, taping and re-watching games, analyzing and criticizing the games, players, refs, etc.).

But the 'rat is right: soccer has been "growing in popularity" for about a gazillion years...and it's NEVER quite as big as the devotees would make it out to be.

Most people simply don't give two damns about it. I know that, personally, I hate the dramatics and hysteria of it. I hate seeing these guys take a tumble on field and REALLY play it up, clutching their leg, practicing the best facial contortions, writhing around, etc. Then suddenly, as if nothing happened (because it DIDN'T!), they hop up and sprint away. I think they were just trying to rest for a few seconds.



Besides, it's the sport where, over the years, I've seen the absolute WORST sportsmanship. I just have this mental image of fuzzy/bushy-haired, quasi-rock star sissy Euro twits running around, over-emoting, faking injuries, getting a little TOO happy should someone manage to score a goal in 50 minutes, etc.

Just seems like a really snotty, uppity, unlikeable bunch of people, IMO. And a boring, "let's kick the ball around forever and have nothing exciting happen for half an hour..." kinda sport to me.



Again, I played (and lived and breathed) this crap for six years, therefore I CAN comment on it this way. I distinctly remember a couple of times, while actually playing the game, "this is kinda stupid...".



The final couple of years, I stayed in mostly for my dad and coach than out of any true enjoyment or passion for it. I'd rather had been learning more songs on my guitar.
post #42 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Besides, it's the sport where, over the years, I've seen the absolute WORST sportsmanship. I just have this mental image of fuzzy/bushy-haired, quasi-rock star sissy Euro twits running around, over-emoting, faking injuries, getting a little TOO happy should someone manage to score a goal in 50 minutes, etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>Agreed. That aspect is TOTALLY absurd. Football does not even have universal standards of the "interpretation of the rules", and why they resist the use of cameras for the sorting out of controversial decisons truly beats me.

Having said that, I think it is cool enough sport for kids to play as a fun sport, but when it gets to the professional level it begins to lose its way. Mind you it's not the only sport that does that.

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post #43 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by The Installer:
<strong>Agreed. It's too fluid.

2 times 45 mins of uniterrupted action. What are the poor T.V. advertisers to do?

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Installer is exactly right. It will *never* gain equal status on teh TV networks because the advertising whores can't stop the show and force us to watch their crap every 8 or 9 minutes.

And THAT is one of the very reasons I like watching big-time soccer matches. NO COMMERCIALS. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I wish hockey would do it. Baseball it wouldn't make sense because of the break between innings. Football it wouldn't either because there are lots of time-outs and delays between plays.

But for hockey it could work well. I hate media whores and their ad-sluts. Rat bastards....
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post #45 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>We have other sports we like better. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The perspective of a soccer fan:

- American Football: Boring. Three seconds of action, then two minutes of discussing, re-arranging, sorting out yellow flags.

- Baseball: Same case here, but without helmets.

- Hockey: Wheres the puck? Five men stumbling before the goal, suddenly some of them raise their arms. You need slow-mo to see what has happened.

- Basektball: On a global scale the most popular sport anyway. Perhaps because its "flow" is comparable to soccer.

These points are not necesserily my PoV. In fact, I like American Football very much for its strategical possibilities. And a sport in which people smash their heads against each other can't be too bad.

I don't get to see what's so funny in Baseball, after all ... but in fact I never learned the rules.
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post #46 of 85
Falko has succinctly and expertly described what I dislike about every "popular" american sport.

and moogs hit the nail on the head with what makes soccer so great...45 minutes of no commercials. it's like sports heaven! mabe some people see soccer as boring, but i find the constant clock-stopping of most sports positively mind-numbing.
post #47 of 85
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I should clarify that I'm not much of a sports person myself. I hate football, soccer and hockey. NEVER watch them.

Basketball, I can watch if I'm with someone and/or it's a particularly important game/series or match-up. I enjoyed the Lakers vs. Nets thing last week.

Baseball, used to LOVE it. But it doesn't hold my interest for the most part. I'd rather see it live (hot dogs, peanuts, beer, socializing, etc.), but the major leagues are too expensive and a hassle to go to.

And I DEFINITELY don't give a flying damn about skateboarding, snowboarding, wakeboarding (or any other sport with "boarding" in the name), as well as skiing, arena football, rugby, lacrosse, lumberjack contests, etc. And none of that "X-TREME" crap either: motorcycles, bicycles, roller blades, street luge, BMX freestyle, etc.

Which leaves me with 3 hours on Sunday that I can watch NASCAR Winston Cup racing. I genuinely enjoy it and it's the only thing I look forward to, sports-wise. I dig watching cars go 180mph and only 1-2 feet apart!

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post #48 of 85
Soccer is b-o-r-i-n-g
Its also the only sport where you can be a total spaz and still look like you're doing something.

As for the Mexicans, I wonder how long they have to be American citizens before they actually root for the U.S.A.? Glad they lost............................
post #49 of 85
Soccer? Boring? Mannnnn.....

Obviously you did not watch Spain vs. Ireland. Down to the last shot of the shoot out. That was some sh*t right there man!

Does the U.S. stand a chance against Germany?
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post #50 of 85
I think they do. I've only seen one game from Germany so far but they didn't seem dominating - not like they were in the early 90's anyway. That Spain - Ireland game yesterday was great btw, but, even though they aren't what they used to be I think Brasil clearly has the best talent in the field. If they play hard / smart, I doubt anyone stands a chance. If they lolly-gag around like they do sometimes, expecting an easy victory, they will fall.

As for the European perspective on hockey and not being able to follow the puck, that's a common problem for someone who's never watched before. If you watch a couple games closely (and don't have a small TV), you should be able to pick up the puck just fine once you get used to it. Also, some networks do hockey better than others (use more close-in shots, ice-level shots). Also: try going to a game - you'll be able to follow the puck fine and will see there are actually a fair number of similarities to soccer, except there's not nearly as much diving and whining and acting.



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post #51 of 85
Everytime I hear someone refer to soccer/football as "the beautiful game" I want to vomit.
post #52 of 85
^^ overreact much?

I think we have a chance with Germany. It's crazy, but Senegal beat France, we beat Portugal, and stranger things have happened. It's not like we haven't beaten them before. Not in the world cup, but we beat them nonetheless.
post #53 of 85
I like to play baseball alot. BUt watching it is boring sometimes. I like to watch and play football. hate bball. But soccer is a sport that i like to play but I have a hard time watching also except when the WC comes along.
post #54 of 85
This from an article on espn.com,
''It hurts us here,'' Jose Luis Luviano, a fan in Mexico City, said as he punched his chest. Tears melted the Mexican flags painted on his cheeks. ''There has to be an end to this disgrace where (Americans) treat us like rats and idiots."
Try not acting like rats and idiots by driving up and down the streets honking your fvcking horns and disturbing our peace of mind, you bastards.
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post #55 of 85
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First off, who are you and what have you done with Shanny?

Shanny usually cruises in, calls us "lamers" (or worse), informs us who currently "rools" us, says something kinda insulting or smart-assed (or both), then bolts. Somebody check his temperature. He's obviously not feeling well today...



But seriously, folks...glad to know he views the car honking pinheads the way I do. Color me shocked.

post #56 of 85
My bad attitude took a back seat to my horrid laziness today.
I'll be better tomorrow, I promise.
If it makes you feel better, I'll do this.

TOOL fvcking ro0ls you, you bastard lamer.

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post #57 of 85
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THAT'S the Shanny we know and love! I knew you had it in you!

post #58 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:
<strong>It's not like we haven't beaten them before. Not in the world cup, but we beat them nonetheless. </strong><hr></blockquote>

You have used a smiley here - many others don't. I hate war metaphors about soccer. Especially the English press is great in talking about "German tanks" or "Blitzkrieg" after a game. Imagine USA lose against Germany, and someone writes something like "another September 11th" or "Pearl Harbor revisited" etc. It's just displaced. :confused:

Three days! Go USA!
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post #59 of 85
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Yow...good point there. I don't think I want to hear "Spain beat the U.S. like Al Queda with a box cutter...".



Ouch...
post #60 of 85
Gut gesagt, FalkoL

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post #61 of 85
In Toronto we have a few contigents of rabid soccer fan. If the Greeks, Portuguese, Brazilians, Argentines, or especially the Italians win, then there is pandemonium. Dancing in the streets, ALL NIGHT HORN HONKING, flag waving, passionate kisses from anonymous girls! (100% serious) and sometimes a little streaking. But NOTHING gets broken or trashed.

When Italy won in '82, little Italy (there are many many Italians in T.O.) had over a hundred thousand people lining the streets. When Brazil won in 94, little Italy got very quiet and a huge party errupted just to the east (in the portuguese speaking section of town) Fans didn't start angry fights, there wasn't any destruction of property, mobs, riots etc etc... Fans of the losing side went home or took the party inside, and the fans of the winning side took to the streets. But, in Toronto at least, European and South American fans have NEVER trashed anything. I remember, years later, reading commentary about the '82 celebration in TO's little Italy (comparison to some recent sporting riot) and how the streets were literally jammed and yet the whole proceeding went off without a hitch, no injuries, no crimes, just some litter. Contrast to the Chicago Bulls and LA Lakers. Our soccer fans, at least, have been great! They like a big party, they infuse games with a melodramatic flair, but they RESPECT property and people if not (for one night only) sleep.
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post #62 of 85
I like watching sports, occasionally. Baseball, a little basketball, and tennis. (can you say "Anna Kournikova? ) I used to think watching sports was about analyzing what the pros do so you can emulate it. Now I see it's just a great excuse to socialize.

I like playing sports better. I like playing soccer waaay more than watching it. FIFA rules! I play tennis. This game is the simplest you can get, you hit a ball back and forth and whoever screws up first loses the point. But again, can you say Anna Kournikova? Seriously, I watch tennis to get better at it. But also for fun!

I've had nothing but good experiences with sports, except for the parents of the other team sometimes!

(In cross country running, parents would say "Get that Hartford kid, Johny! He's yours! Blah blah blah!" Very annoying and distracting!)

Where's Ninja for the Go USA, Go!!
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post #63 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by FalkoL:
<strong>

You have used a smiley here - many others don't. I hate war metaphors about soccer. Especially the English press is great in talking about "German tanks" or "Blitzkrieg" after a game. Imagine USA lose against Germany, and someone writes something like "another September 11th" or "Pearl Harbor revisited" etc. It's just displaced. :confused:

Three days! Go USA! </strong><hr></blockquote>


I don't believe Poor Taylor is making a WWII reference. More likely he's refering to the U.S. Soccer Teams overall record against Germany (2-4-0). Unfortunately the last time we faced Germany, in March 2002 at Rostock, the U.S. lost.

Prior to Rostock:

"The U.S. MNT will be looking to extend an unprecedented streak against one of the top teams in the world. The U.S. has shutout Germany in their last two encounters, winning 3-0 on Feb. 6, 1999, in Jacksonville, Fla., and 2-0 on July 30, 1999, at the FIFA Confederations Cup in Guadalajara, Mexico."
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[quote]Originally posted by gobble gobble:
<strong>"The U.S. MNT will be looking to extend an unprecedented streak against one of the top teams in the world. The U.S. has shutout Germany in their last two encounters, winning 3-0 on Feb. 6, 1999, in Jacksonville, Fla., and 2-0 on July 30, 1999, at the FIFA Confederations Cup in Guadalajara, Mexico."</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Taylor, I think I got that wrong. But there were too many "German tanks" in the press after the 8:0 against Saudi Arabia.

Oh yeah, now I remember these matches. It was terrible ... our team, I mean. In fact I had completely forgotten that these matches were against the US. Now I'm a bit frightened. :eek:

Just saw South Corea making the 1:1 against Italy ... wow. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by FalkoL:
<strong>Just saw South Corea making the 1:1 against Italy ... wow. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>Just saw S/C win. WOW!

Couldn't help noticing that none of the winning goal scorer's buddies jumped on him, and that the coach sat alone on his bench whilst everyone else was running around on the pitch. Strange.

I guess the Italians can always blame the referee <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

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post #66 of 85
Is this <a href="http://www.kournikova.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kournikova.com/</a> tennis, Aquatik ?

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[quote]More likely he's refering to the U.S. Soccer Teams overall record against Germany (2-4-0).<hr></blockquote>

haha, yeah, that's what i was referring to. The "war" connotation didn't even cross my mind until I saw your post, and then re-read mine. I don't mix my politics with my sport. Bad aftertaste. :cool:
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Wow, Italy is out? That's a big shock.
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post #69 of 85
No T.I., I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's much better Everyone has to have someone to look up to, right T.I.? Too bad she sucks at tennis! Too bad no one cares!
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[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:
<strong>Bad aftertaste. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's just drink that away and look forward to the match.
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I like women's football

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post #72 of 85
Hi y'all...

Anyway, Mexicans are amateurs at creating a "sporting" ruckus. I was in Denver when the Colorado Avalanche got their Stanley Cup!!! Talk about stupid and insane behavior...amazing. To top it off, it was a white folk event. Wow.

Lastly, I address this to pscates... [quote]every goddamn Hispanic person in the county has apparently nothing better to do than ride up and down the street beside my apartment and lay on the horns of their Impalas and Chevettes<hr></blockquote>. Hate to rain on your parade buddy, but I had two San Diego "Hispanics" visiting me that day. Sorry that I denied them the opportunity to drive by your apartment. They came up north to break in their new Lexus SC. Nice machine. I guess that makes them "traitors" to their fellow Latino/Hispanic/Mexicans seeing as they don't drive an Impala(HONK, HONK...) or Chevette...

Oh, one last thing pscates, you sure do COMPLAIN a lot son. Take a chill pill or something...
post #73 of 85
[quote]Originally posted by 2gigman:
<strong> They came up north to break in their new Lexus SC. Nice machine. I guess that makes them "traitors" to their fellow Latino/Hispanic/Mexicans seeing as they don't drive an Impala(HONK, HONK...) or Chevette...
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It probably makes them theives or drug dealers.

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[quote]Originally posted by 2gigman:
<strong>Lastly, I address this to pscates... . Hate to rain on your parade buddy, but I had two San Diego "Hispanics" visiting me that day. Sorry that I denied them the opportunity to drive by your apartment. They came up north to break in their new Lexus SC. Nice machine. I guess that makes them "traitors" to their fellow Latino/Hispanic/Mexicans seeing as they don't drive an Impala(HONK, HONK...) or Chevette...

Oh, one last thing pscates, you sure do COMPLAIN a lot son. Take a chill pill or something...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I wasn't making it a "Hispanics drive crappy cars..." thing. Sorry you saw it that way. Just so happens, that the neighbor/area I'm around is pretty middle-class and blue collar. Probably not a Lexus in sight for several miles, white, black, Hispanic or otherwise.



So MY observations, made from MY window and porch, when I wrote MY mini-rant were indeed based on seeing A LOT of Chevettes, Impalas, Geo Metros, Cutlass Supremes, older Hondas and Celicas, etc. And quite a few vans, both of the mini AND 70's bubble mirror/airbrush graphics variety.

Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think so. Did I EVER say there was? No.

NEVER did I state (or imply) that "hey, if you're Hispanic, you HAVE to be driving a busted-up, older car, right?"



That's you, no doubt wishing I said that. When does an honest observation become a racial/cultural slur or putdown?

:confused:

Whatever.

As for the "complaining" thing, it was a work night, I'd been listening to it ALL DAY LONG. I live next to a main, busy road (not tucked away in some swanky cul de sac), so by the time I wrote the original post above, I was going on about hour number 5 or 6 of NONSTOP honking, screaming, screeching tires, blasting radios, revving engines, people tossing trash, firecrackers, cans and bottles, etc. all within about 20 feet of my apartment.

You'd complain too, pal.

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and now for a non sequetor (sp?)....
hows about ....MOTORCYCLE racing..like GP? thats an international sport with awesome action and fun, big international personalities. its usually on speed channel late at night but if anyone here rides a bike..awesome! sorry . not soccer or anything but most sports kinda bore me. im learning to like soccer from this world cup and could see getting into it.
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[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:
<strong>^^ overreact much?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No. Though I have been known to add a little hyperbole now and then for no reason at all. It's a Jobsian trait derived from my mentor, Apple Corporate Whore.
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pscates [quote]Well, I wasn't making it a "Hispanics drive crappy cars..." thing. Sorry you saw it that way.<hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />


As for you miss Shanny, oh, never mind...


I was(unfortunately) in London during the world cup a few years back and without a doubt, I witnessed the most despicable mob/crowd behavior imaginable.

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post #79 of 85
all soccer fans are burn and destroy stuff fans
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Hey, while we're making generalizations, it's as the saying goes, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
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