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Originally Posted by EnviroG View Post

I personally don't think Apple would cripple this flagship iDevice by not giving it the ability to make calls worldwide. That wouldn't be in harmony with Apple's customer/user friendly moto

Note that in most countries the iPhone is sold its been locked to the carrier unless legislation stated otherwise, so the idea that wouldnt cripple this flagship iDevice hasnt been true for 4 iterations, even whilst using the most common cellular tech in the world.
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post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by mgl323 View Post

"Apple to release Verizon iPhone in early 2011"

Kinda rare for Apple to release a product before a new product (iPhone 5) would be announce a few weeks/few months later. Doesn't Apple stick to it's annual routine?

I would look at this as being like the release of the iPhone to a new market -- there's been a continuous rollout to new countries over the months. Verizon is just a new country. And I would expect the iPhone 5 to appear as a 3G product first, since that's the main worldwide standard.
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How many people travel outside the US a lot? 1% of the population? Besides my CDMA phone works fine in Canada. I presume Mexico has CDMA as well. I do not think world-wide compatibility is even on Steve Jobs or Apple's radar at all. That is not the reason. Furthermore the next iPhone may have GSM and CMDA and LTE or some combination thereof. The reason is they are dumbly taking a bunch of $$$$ from AT&T short-term. I can't believe shareholders haven't started to talk to the Board about the bizarre lack of a Verizon iPhone.

With respect, there are a whole lot of Apple customers outside of the Americas you mentioned.

As many other posters have noted, it is much easier for Apple to produce millions of the same phone rather than having to do separate runs of oddball CDMA phones. Economies of scale and all. Of course, this doesn't mean they haven't had significant delays making the current phones because of the milling process. It took months to get more than a trickle of iP4's here in NZ. I hate to think of the delays with runs of CDMA phones AND the milling process.
I really hope the LTE transition goes well. The sooner we have a truly worldwide standard the better for all of us.
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post #44 of 55
When clumsy and irrelevant media start piling onto an apple rumor, it makes me concerned that maybe Apple is becoming clumsy and irrelevant, and old. It will happen, someday. If Fortune has caught up to Apple, maybe that moment is 2-3 years away.
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As many other posters have noted, it is much easier for Apple to produce millions of the same phone rather than having to do separate runs of oddball CDMA phones. Economies of scale and all.

We are also talking about the iphone having something like a 50%+ profit margin.

Having a second production line would reduce that to --- what? --- 49% profit margin. By that rate, Apple should close all their iPad production line to produce the verizon iphone.
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We are also talking about the iphone having something like a 50%+ profit margin.

Having a second production line would reduce that to --- what? --- 49% profit margin. By that rate, Apple should close all their iPad production line to produce the verizon iphone.

Youre missing the point. To put simply, if Apple can sell as many units as they can produce, then the best option is to manufacturer the device that they can make the most of.
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Originally Posted by SEOsudo View Post

Everyone in the office, except me, has already purchase an Android

Same here. Honestly it's probably an Apple-planted rumor, but this early '11 Verizon iPhone rumor is the only thing keeping me hanging on. I was set money in hand to buy an iPhone 4 until I heard about all of its problems. C'mon Apple hurry up, release an iPhone with a fixed Proximity sensor, fixed camera (no spots) and fixed antenna, on Verizon! What is taking so long! I am getting impatient...DROOOOID is calling...
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post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by lostkiwi View Post

With respect, there are a whole lot of Apple customers outside of the Americas you mentioned.

As many other posters have noted, it is much easier for Apple to produce millions of the same phone rather than having to do separate runs of oddball CDMA phones. Economies of scale and all. Of course, this doesn't mean they haven't had significant delays making the current phones because of the milling process. It took months to get more than a trickle of iP4's here in NZ. I hate to think of the delays with runs of CDMA phones AND the milling process.
I really hope the LTE transition goes well. The sooner we have a truly worldwide standard the better for all of us.

I agree a worldwide standard will be great. I don't think Apple couldn't overcome simple technical and logistical hurdles like producing two phones, different only in the network connectivity. It's simply because AT&T is paying them a big lump of cash$$$. Also many people here think when LTE comes out CDMA goes away. CDMA will be the fall-back for a decade or more, and LTE won't cover the whole US for probably that long, too. Apple needs to make a CDMA phone yesterday. They've already lost a lot of customers to Droid on Verizon simply because Verizon customers like me to do not want to switch to AT&T. The tidal wave of people that WERE waiting for iPhone on VZW but will give up and get Droid will be in spring 2011 I think. If Apple doesn't have Verizon iPhone by mid-2011, I think it will be a tipping point. A lot of new Droids between early '11 and summer '11 when another iPhone comes out. Yearly cycles are a bit long in the cell industry, Apple needs to get their ass in gear and get iPhone 4.5 or Verizon edition or whatever out the door in a few months.
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post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by SEOsudo View Post

Everyone in the office, except me, has already purchase an Android

Same here including me. Android might not be as polished as iOS but the Droid was light yrs better than any other phone VZW was offering a yr ago so I gave up waiting. I would've gotten a VZ iPhone in a heartbeat now I'm not so sure. Apple is losing potential customers every day.
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post #50 of 55
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With respect, there are a whole lot of Apple customers outside of the Americas you mentioned.

As many other posters have noted, it is much easier for Apple to produce millions of the same phone rather than having to do separate runs of oddball CDMA phones. Economies of scale and all. Of course, this doesn't mean they haven't had significant delays making the current phones because of the milling process. It took months to get more than a trickle of iP4's here in NZ. I hate to think of the delays with runs of CDMA phones AND the milling process.
I really hope the LTE transition goes well. The sooner we have a truly worldwide standard the better for all of us.

Give up. A CDMA phone is going to happen, which will increase Apple's market worldwide. The manufacturing difficulties are not an issue, the past is not prelude. The iPhone 4 was a totally new design, the iPhone 4 with a cdma will be an iPhone 4 with a cdma chip. If they increased memory size would we worry about production?


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post #51 of 55
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Verizon has right around 93 million customers. That is a huge number of potential new iPhone buyers. Consider for a moment that 93M is larger than the most populous country in Europe which is Germany. I don't think it is unreasobale to predict that within 2 years as many as 15% to 20% of them could get an iPhone which would be about 18.6 million new iphones sold. I think the lower estimates will be proven wrong and the iPhone will wipe the floor with Android.
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True. And here is another way to look at it.

Apple is, and has stalled at, about 28% of the US smart phone market. AT&T covers about 25% of all phone owners in the US. If the iPhone is available on the rest, on all 100% where will the iPhone be - about 40%? 50%.

The US is important for two reasons. It is a big market anyway and it has a lot of mindshare - so people in the US think ( and this is evident on this forum ) - that Android has done more of a catchup than it has. In fact Apple has been beating the worldwide market all year, this year,
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post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Youre missing the point. To put simply, if Apple can sell as many units as they can produce, then the best option is to manufacturer the device that they can make the most of.

You can always buy more capacity like hiring a second production line from another taiwanese company.
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I hope that is true. I can't believe they get to announce before Christmas!
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post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by Chaseism View Post

I know all signs point to this being true, but there is something that just bothers me...

Why would Apple and Verizon release a CDMA iPhone after the biggest shopping season of the year? Won't both companies lose money on this?

Think about it... Apple releases the iPhone 4 in Jan or Feb, missing out on people who sandbagged their upgrade until the holiday season. If people are happy with their Droids, then that's a loss from Apple in selling them iPhones. Also, a lot of folks on other networks will be beyond their 30-days and will either have to wait longer for a CDMA iPhone or pay an ETF to switch.

But the bigger question is about those 30 day exchanges...and correct me if I'm wrong. Verizon purchases the phones at full price from the manufacturers to sell to consumers (I'm sure there is some bulk discount deal, but you get the picture). Verizon takes a hit for every new phone it sales at a cheaper price and how they make it up is the 2-year contract. But the truth is, they are going to get creamed when a good number of those phones are exchanged within 30 days for the iPhone, which they also purchased for full price. Verizon can no longer sale those returned phones as new and loses money because of the exchanges. When I worked for Sprint, they said the company loses about $170 for every handset that is exchanged or returned. Imagine that for thousands that would exchange what they got for Christmas for the iPhone 4.

It just doesn't seem smart for either parties...

First, AT&T has exclusivity until the end of the year that's why it won't be before the holidays. It's not much of a secret anymore that the iPhone is soon to hit Verizon, and likely other carriers too. I think for those that want an iPhone, they will hold out and wait. That's why there have been so many leaks recently. Finally, exchanges are subject to a hefty restocking fee. And, I would imagine there could be other fees as well or loss of eligibility for full discounts.
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